Psy Apologises for Anti-American Song, Korean Netizens React

Psy holds up a model of an American tank before smashing it on stage in a 2002 concert, photo from Sports Chosun

South Korean media, sensitive to the missteps of celebrities, are closely following the reaction in America to the news that Psy sang strongly anti-American lyrics during some his performances in 2004, dividing netizen opinion.

A majority of the online reaction is impressed with the evenhanded response in America to the story, and were willing to give Psy the benefit of the doubt. But comments about the lyrics themselves are evenly split between those who regretted the call to kill American soldiers and their families, and those who were instead focused on defending underlying anti-American sentiment at the time.

Among those who defended the lyrics, some were critical of Psy for appearing to be an opportunist, joining the protests in 2004 when it was popular, but recanting now that he has become famous in America.

From OSEN:

The American Response to Psy’s Public Statement? “Are you responsible for something you did in 2004?”

A wide variety of responses are pouring forth in reaction to the singer Psy’s apology for the violent language in his song “Dear America”, which has become known as anti-American song.

On December 8th, Psy’s apology appeared on NBC, ABC, and a host of internet sites. Among the reports, an article on CNN’s IReport quickly attracted fierce discussion, as more than one thousand comments argued for or against the singer’s actions.

The IReport article presented Psy’s official statement, as well as the historical background for the song. It mentioned that, at the time, the deaths of the two school girls, Hyo-sun and Mi-seon, after collision with a US military vehicle had led to an atmosphere of anti-Americanism.

It was recently announced that Psy would perform at a Christmas concert in Washington, D.C. where President Obama would be in attendance. The article mentioned that the White House recently deleted a petition uploaded on its website that asked for Psy to be excluded from the event because of his 2004 remarks.

The article went on to introduce the divided opinion among Americans about Psy’s actions. Negative remarks included, “If you say that we should kill American soldiers, then get out of America,” and “what he said about women was too much to excuse.” Positive remarks included, “As an American, I like Psy even more. He said what needed to be said when America was committing terrible crimes,” and “he didn’t criticize America, he criticized American soldiers. Before you insult someone else you should understand the context.”

The article ends by saying, “should Psy take responsibility for something he did in 2004?… We will be looking further into this issue.”

In a previous statement, Psy announced that, “As a proud South Korean who was educated in the United States and lived there for a very significant part of my life, I understand the sacrifices American servicemen and women have made to protect freedom and democracy in my country and around the world.” He added, “The song I was featured in eight years ago was part of a deeply emotional reaction to the war in Iraq and the killing of two Korean schoolgirls that was part of the overall antiwar sentiment shared by others around the world at that time.”

He went on to say, “While I’m grateful for the freedom to express one‘s self, I’ve learned there are limits to what language is appropriate and I’m deeply sorry for how these lyrics could be interpreted. I will forever be sorry for any pain I have caused by those words.”

He emphasized, “I have been honored to perform in front of American soldiers and I hope they and all Americans can accept my apology. While it’s important that we express our opinions, I deeply regret the inflammatory and inappropriate language I used to do so.”


The 2004 song containing the controversial lyrics. The lines calling for the deaths of American soldiers start at the 2:45 mark

American media reports about how Psy participated in anti-American protests and sang songs at his concerts that told people to kill American soldiers have been gaining attention in the country.

The controversial song “Dear America” came out in 2004 and was written by the band N.EX.T. Psy features in the song and performed it at anti-American protests. The lyrics contain the line “The b—–ds who tortured Iraqi prisoners and the b—–ds who forced others to torture, their daughters, their mothers, their daughters-in-law, kill them all, kill them slowly, kill them painfully.” The lines were translated and appeared in the Washington Post and numerous other media.

Psy’s representatives made a distinction, saying, “our public statement is not an apology for the entire performance but for the use of excessive words and the pain they have caused to others.” Adding, “Psy does not take an anti-American position, it was an anti-war protest and the comments were the result of emotions about those who had lost their lives. We would like to clarify the situation, given the fact that Americans have exaggerated the remarks to be solely anti-American.”

Comments from Daum:

넥센V:

Those American nom… They’re different from us for sure… to put it in one word, they’re “cool”. What about our zombies’ [jwajom] reaction? He was called a patriot in the morning but a traitor by the afternoon…We need to fix our rash tendencies…

likemoney:

Anyone can see that this wasn’t a full apology about the performance, just an apology for the words Psy used. By mentioning Hyo-sun and Mi-seon in the lyrics, American media have been forced to give attention to the incident. IReport uploaded video and background of the event… I’ve got to say, for someone who is not American and performing in America, he got pretty evenhanded treatment. To those people here who are anti-American, why do you keep on watching American movies?

박달재:

Psy, I thought you were just an empty-headed celebrity but you really are a magnificent bastard.

물티슈:

He used extremely diplomatic words to apologize… Even if you commanded all South Korean diplomats to write an apology, they couldn’t measure up to that. It was smart of Psy to only apologize for the use of the “problematic terms”.. impressive. If your favored candidate, Moon Jae-in, becomes president, then this country will start to change little by little.

보따리상:

It is ironic that the saekki who first publicized this incident was a Korean-American saekki, ssibal.

dmer jk:

This is evidence that he is popular.. Don’t worry about it… It means he is that popular… There are more anti-American singers than anti-Hussein singers in America.

SEOUL직할시:

Of course, it’s because of incidents like this that everyone wants to leave behind Korea’s impulsiveness. I want to emigrate, too. I hate my idiot countrymen who lack common sense. I want to go to Finland or the Netherlands.

김찌락:

What he said was right.

피닉스:

Think about what would happen if a Vietnamese singer, recalling the South Korea troops who raped and murdered in their own country back when they were deployed to fight the Viet Cong in the Vietnam War, was to sing about killing Korean soldiers! It could be said that the guilt of Koreans reacting to such a song would be equivalent to how Americans felt when they learned about the Hyo-sun Mi-seon incident!

Psy didn’t do anything wrong but he just was crude in his word choice! In his own way, Psy was speaking in defense of the interests of all South Korean people.

그래:

If it had been our country, 90% of the internet users would already be calling for Psy’s death. It is impressive that some Americans would understand him. Is it possible for such understanding to exist in our country?

무지개:

How can you say that America’s help to us means we should stay silent when they run over our citizens? Tsk tsk If your mother had been run over would you idiots stay silent? Tsk tsk

tpwmsclf:

What exquisite timing…At the height of his popularity around the world…I’m sure those piece of shit countries that surround us are happy to see this new development…it is appropriate criticism for unjust crimes. Don’t be ashamed.

하늘을달리는사람:

It really was not right for Psy to say those things… his true character is coming out.. if you look at the song, it begs the question of why, if American soldiers did something wrong, should we slowly kill their families??? The writer of song seems mentally unstable

투덜이스머프:

After North Korean soldiers deliberately shot a South Korean tourist at Mount Kumgang, why did the liberals never protest? It is because of that contradiction that the anti-American candlelight protestors are called commies.

IF나야나:

 He’s an opportunist.

쪼꼬파이님:

You’re right, you’re right, we also participated in anti-war protests.

viamengkaquetuo:

Changing one’s allegiance at the drop of a hat is the mark of an opportunist. It’s obvious that the first ones to cut and run at the beginning of a war are those who were forced to go to the army twice on a judge’s orders [Note: this references the fact that Psy was punished for falsifying a medical condition in order to avoid strenuous service and had to serve in the army for two terms]

화무십일홍:

 The apology said what needed to be said…

-I A N-:

There were definitely times when Psy went too far in what he said. I may be his countryman but that is the truth. If it had been an American calling for the death of Korean soldiers, South Korea would have exploded by now. In the case of America, they have been able to react very calmly. Psy has made his apology for what he did, now it is up to Americans to decide what to do. If they accept the apology then that is good but if they refuse then Psy has to accept that.

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  • Your Sexy Cousin Rex

    Psy wins once more

  • dk2020

    I got that song and Fucking USA on repeat oh yes ..

  • dk2020

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNrL_IXXcdg

    Would you consider this song anti-American?

  • Box_of_Wine

    I’m American, a former member of the military, and was a resident of Korea in 2002 and 2004. This is all a non-issue to me. Let’s not blow things out of proportion. Move on…best for everyone’s interests. Let’s tackle the more sinister and pressing bilateral issues first.

    • dk2020

      Did you see any action in Korea? Were you stationed at the DMZ?

      • Box_of_Wine

        No, I was working in the private sector by that point. But, I do want to add one more thought: PSY has a right to exercise his free speech, and if you look closely at what he said then, he was not talking about all Americans, all military personnel, or even all those in Iraq. He specifically said those who were committing terrible, illegal acts. And I’m not going to defend those bastards or their superiors at all. Not then, not now, not ever.

        • Correction:

          He specifically said the daughters, mothers, daughters-in-law, and fathers of those who were committing terrible, illegal acts.

    • ggoma

      Honestly though, this is not a criticism of America but hate speech. Killing slowly and torturing women, children, etc? They weren’t PSY’s lyrics, but they still will do nothing to help the situation. It’s not a non-issue for me because it’s extremely offensive. The situation needs to be fixed, but this was not the way to do it.

      • Sillian

        It was an emotionally charged brutal song, no doubt but how would you fix the situation then?

        • dk2020

          She doesn’t accept the apology from Psy I guess, all Koreans should be ashamed .. I’m not though ..

          • Sillian

            Because those twitter users are not famous but random.

        • ggoma

          I DO accept the apology from PSY, even though someone is trying to put words in my mouth. I recognize that he didn’t even write the lyrics and merely performed them. I simply think that the lyrics are just not doing anything to help and are hateful.

          If Koreans really don’t want the military there and find it unnecessary, they should get rid of the bases. If not, then the soldiers need to be held responsible.

          Personally, I think the military needs to place stronger regulations on their foreign based soldiers. They should be held to the Korean law as well as the military law and Korea should be allowed to prosecute for serious felonies. I think if they break a law, period, they should be deported on their own money and not allowed to serve in a foreign country anymore.

          I think that there should be at least a week long cultural introduction course before they are sent abroad so that they know what is okay and what is not. They should have to pass a test to go.

          Also, only allowing older soldiers would help cut down on the poor behavior.

          I think there should be stricter curfews, however:
          American soldiers having one night stands – Korean men do that, so I don’t really find a difference there. As long as it’s consensual and legal, nothing should really be done about that. Of course, stricter curfews would help deal with this.

          These are just a few changes I can think of. I have nothing against the US military as a body because I know many good soldiers, but I too understand Korean feelings. These are guests who treat their country like a lawless playground and that would leave anyone with a grudge, especially when accidents like 2002 and numerous rapes happen. That needs to be addressed seriously and it has yet to be.

          • Sillian

            The lyrics are plain stupid. I don’t even see the point of analyzing it. Salt is salty. That happened almost a decade ago in the heat of the moment when he was young and naive. People grow up and change. Obviously he’s lost that bitter emotion a while ago and he apologized when it was brought up recently. He seems like a nice guy in December, 2012.

            As to the SOFA revision, here’s a recent update.

            http://asiancorrespondent.com/93277/korean-police-to-revise-handling-of-sofa-incidents/

          • ggoma

            I’m glad for that SOFA revision! Definitely needed.

            But I think the US military needs to step up it’s game and actually punish soldiers more strictly. More strict guidelines will curb behavior if they are actually followed through with.

          • Oga

            You feel differently because you’re not in the military.
            There’s a 10pm curfew in Korea for service members. And some places are blocked to us.
            Also, not only are those that get in trouble sent home but they are PROSECUTED and kicked out of the military.

            Look things up, K?

          • ggoma

            Well, no one forced people to join the military.

      • dk2020

        Can you please answer for all the racist tweets during the AMA awards that’s more recent .. you’re the white lady that hates Korea and Korean men because your past relationships didn’t work out huh? too bad ..kthxbye.

        • ggoma

          No, I love Korea considering I’m living there for a large part of my life and I happen to have a Korean boyfriend. I just know that there are complications that exist through cultural differences. Thanks for stalking my posts though. :)

          I am not racist. I don’t support those tweets so I can’t defend them or explain them. Prejudice has always existed. The best we can do is inform people.

          • dk2020

            Right, well good luck to you then ..

          • Chris Redfield

            LOL look at you cower after being “Labeled” the R word.

            You are a coward.

        • Chris Redfield

          …Everyone of those “Tweets” was retarded. Especially the black guy implying all of Korea is Communist LOL.

          But really though,one guy out of six said chink- everyone else said “Its American, Not International, Not Korean”

          And you cry Racist.

          Get a fucking life.

          • dk2020

            get off my bumper dickhead .. get a life and stop trolling me ..

        • yeah

          I thought you were a mongol..so why are you offended?

          • dk2020

            Thats cool I love Mongols .. not offended at all ..

    • hun

      The “so-called protest” lyrics specifically targeted the unrelated to the criminals, daughters,sons,mother,grands.. how is that a non-issue. i understand that it was an emotional thing for the korean people but it was purely contradiction on their part. You fight violence with peace, not violence with more violence.

  • Paul M

    I used to be one of those “I hate America” bleeding heart liberals, but being in Korea and having met and worked with a lot of Americans I now have the utmost respect for them. Most of them know well that everybody loves to hate them and their country and most of them have acted with sympathy and understanding. I’ve yet to meet someone from another country who is as self-reflective and apologetic as some of the Americans I have known. As such I no longer get offended when someone mistakes me for being American.

    • Ruaraidh

      It’s my experience that the truly heinous Americans have no desire to leave Amurika. The ones you meet abroad are a little bit loud in an American way, but all in all are a nice bunch of well meaning and decent people.

      • dk2020

        the rednecks in the military usually don’t have a choice where they are stationed ..

      • Except for the holiday resort vacationists. They are, as far as I am aware, the cause for the “ugly American” stereotype. Fortunately, they usually pick isolated resort towns to travel to, so the only locals exposed to them are usually in the hospitality industry.

    • Brett

      @disqus_L9njIS91VP:disqus and
      @ru4r4idh:disqus, us Americans aren’t all George W. Bush fans and NRA members. Some of us even know where South Korea is on a map. ;)

      • Ruaraidh

        But you do all love processed cheese right?

        • Brett

          Lol, you’re killing me. I was raised by a long line of European immigrants and always had fresh cheeses in my diet. It is my favorite food and I even make it myself. I might just start a cheese company in Korea one day as all the ajumma at my mother-in-law’s knitting room went crazy for a blarney I finished this October ;o

          • I was once in Ohio (long story) and it was very difficult to buy cheese that wasn’t in a can. I had to approach an Amish village and get some there. Just sayin’.

          • Brett

            We don’t mess around on the Jersey Shore…. edit: that was in reference to good cheeses.

          • On a US political map, would it be fair to say that the ‘blue’ areas have better areas than the ‘red’ areas? That’d certainly explain all the Republican ‘cheese-eating surrender monkey’ comments in the run up to the invasion of Iraq.

          • James, I wholly resent your comment. Your intent appears to be divisive, and you will alienate readers with remarks like that one. The political divide in America has produced perceptual filters for Republicans and Democrats alike. And they are both unlikely to understand the other in matters where opinions differ. It is therefore not fair to say that the ‘blue’ areas have better areas than the ‘red’ areas, unless fair to you is whatever you agree with.

          • Oops – I meant to write ‘cheese’ for the second instance of ‘areas’.

            Edit: but I like that your reply now appears to bring great political analysis to cheese comparison.

          • In that case, it’s absolutely fair to say.

          • Well then we agree in both political and cheese terms.

          • Cheese and politics–don’t mess with WI.
            In any case, my reply may have sounded over the top; when something comes across as a gratuitous swipe, there was a time in U.S. politics when that was acceptable, but the line was collectively crossed a while back when it started to get ugly. Now, it is divisive even when intended in good humor.
            With that said, it’s perfectly fine, as far as I can tell, to say that the best product X comes from place Y.
            In retrospect, I probably should have noticed the error; it sounded a bit off.

          • SWalkerTTU

            Why wouldn’t it be fair, when nearly everything in the “blue” areas is better than in the “red” areas? It’s mostly to do with mentality, and really, the mentality of the red zone is next to non-existent, and I say this residing in one of the reddest of the red zones, West Texas.

        • ….I actually like pepper jack cheese and muenster…. I wouldn’t buy Krap Kraft unless I have to… ^^

          • Ruaraidh

            Last time I was in the states they offered me plastic cheese as an optional extra with pretty much every meal.

      • White Guy in USA

        Hey, don’t knock the NRA.

        • Brett

          I didnt knock the NRA. I knocked the typical NRA member.

          • White Guy in USA

            Again, don`t knock the NRA, its members, or anything related to the 2nd Amend.

          • Don’t knock the 1st Amend.

          • I think NRA members should just admit they like guns because guns are fun and make you feel powerful, not because of all this unrealistic, overdramatic “yar i need these here guns to defend against the tyranny” bullshit. Besides, if it came down to it, a bunch of fat white 40+ year olds with Bushmasters and diabetes wouldnt hold out against a military.

        • dk2020
      • In my experience, the sort of Americans that embarrass and bring shame to America when abroad come from both sides of the political spectrum.

      • Erdos

        I’m a European, but I don’t really see the problem with the NRA.

        Please stop posturing in an attempt to be more palatable to non-whites.

        • Brett

          Take a joke… dude. Also, I see no correlation between NRA membership and non-whites. A bit pretentious, no?

    • dk2020

      Where’s the white expat unity? That’s another reason I don’t think white expats can’t bring about social reform in SoKo .. no unity even amongst themselves.

      • “That’s another reason I don’t think white expats can bring about social reform in SoKo”

        …what?

        • dk2020

          I’m just saying James .. I hear loads and loads of complaints by white expats on kBang and the internets and all the criticisms about how bad it is in Korea but no action being done at all .. Talk is cheap is what I’m trying to say .. Migrant wives have accomplished more in social reforms in 15 years then white expats the US military has in the over 60 years they have occupied South Korea.

          • chucky3176

            Whites are transients. They can fly out whenever they feel like going home. They have no stake in Korea, so it’s easier for them to point out the problems instead of being part of the solution. Migrants in Korea are different. Most of them actually can speak and understand Korean because they have to if they want to survive. So they may have better understanding of how things stand.

          • Understood – I just didn’t see anyone saying they were attempting to bring about social reform in South Korea. What does it even mean? What aspect of social reform? And what aspect of society? Again, it just seems like a bit of a sweeping generalisation to me.

          • Do you have any idea what South Korea would look like today if white expats were never involved?

          • dk2020

            Do I have to thank all white people for existing? I’m grateful for the veterans that sacrificed during the Korean war but that doesn’t say anything about you or white expats today .. I would like to see the US military out of South Korea ..

          • Since you mention it, that was also a pretty significant boost for S. Korea, but that wasn’t what I was referring to. In this case, I refer to financing agreements that subsidized the rebuilding of Korea over the past 60 years, which I can take credit for as a taxpayer. There are of course many other ways in which South Korea has benefited greatly from the U.S., not the least of which has been military aid and subsidies as well as knowledge transfer throughout the past 60 years. I am not saying you should thank white people for your existence, as the rise of Korea is due in part to internal effort, but without international support, it would not be so different from North Korea.
            I also would like to see the US military out of S. Korea. By now, they should be well equipped to defend themselves against the outdated armed forces to the north.

          • dk2020

            I don’t deny that, South Korea owes alot of its success to the US so does Japan and Germany after the war .. The ROK also sent in the most troops after the US to the Vietnam war in support when they had no obligation in that war.

            When it comes down to it alot of the xenophobia and racism stems from Koreans wanting their own sovereignty and yes an inferiority complex because of it. I’m just waiting for the North Korean regime to crumble, who knew they would outlast Russia and East Germany.The big US naval buildup on Jeju is going to make things worse too, I hope not as bad as Okinawa though ..

          • It seems we agree about something, dk. While there aren’t many whites in domestic Korean political affairs per se, these international issues are primarily where most of us expats take policy stances.
            While they are not domestic policy issues in S. Korea, these issues have significant implications for domestic life in S. Korea.
            This is the dialogue in which most of us ‘white expats’ are primarily engaged, because this is what we are in the best position to influence, if even only slightly.

          • Ruaraidh

            You say talk is cheap, and you talk about white expats complaining, but pretty much all you contribute is bitching and moaning. The irony of it was amusing at first but it’s getting just a little bit fucking tedious.

          • dk2020

            Fuck it, two tears in a bucket mate .. you hardly ever say shit to me so you can go on ahead ignoring me if you want. Oh I have protested on May Day, Occupy LA, and against the federal crackdown on MMJ. So yeah, talk is cheap ..

      • Brett

        Sorry dk, but its not the same. I don’t feel “unified” with someone just because they are white and so am I.

        Maybe its harder to understand because where you grew up, you said all the Asian kids stuck together. But I feel no bond towards a white person because they are white.

        The difference is, I think white American’s/Canadians, UK and Aussies/NZ’ers get along is because our language, culture, and most likely upbringing, is pretty similar. Probably the same with Asians where you are from. Your friends might not be Asian solely because you choose them by race, but they are Asian because you choose them by cultural similarities.

        The Asians I knew growing up didn’t form cliques. They got along with the people who were interested in the same things. The drama Asians hung with the drama blacks and whites and Latinos (lol we weren’t that diverse), the jock Asians hung with the jock blacks and whites and Latinos, the smart Asians hung with the smart…

        And I don’t know what social reforms whites need to bring in South Korea. I think there are things that Koreans and non-Koreans alike can agree that need to change for Korea to remain relevant in the world economically and hospitably. I just hope the social reform I can help to bring anywhere I go is tolerance. There isn’t enough of it anywhere.

        • dk2020

          word brett, you’re on the money about that, pretty insightful .. you sound like an optimist bro, not too many expats like that it seems ..

          • Dale, again, Brett quite clearly indicated that there’s little unity or solidarity between white people – let alone expats in general. You agreed with him, but then signed off with yet ANOTHER generalisation! Do you even see that? Do you realise how absurd it makes you sound?

          • dk2020

            Okay James, I hear you .. well that’s just my opinion from what I’ve been seeing, just like expats get negative generalizations from the netizens ..

        • yeah

          If you don’t feel unified with your common race then there is something wrong with you. If you go to any part of the world you will see people forming their own enclaves based on race even within multicultural societies. Whites do it just as much as blacks hispanics or asians. So when you claim you don’t feel unified with your race, you are either claiming a mental disorder or it is a facade.
          You used the word “tolerance” as a veil to push an agenda most people are already aware of. The only person being fooled are idiots like dk2020 who is actually a mongol and not a Korean.

          • Brett

            @Yeah

            I will address your original post and what it entailed, before you removed your name.

            I’ll argue that it is more cultural than racial. I dont choose my friends because they are white and its not that I have some sort of “mental problem”. It has to do with who I can relate to and I can honestly say that I dont automatically relate to white people just because I happen to be a white guy. I relate to Americans (whether they be white, black, Asian, Latino, or whatever) because I am American. I relate to Chinese people because I speak Chinese. I relate to Korean people becausspeak Korean and live in Korea. I relate to cultural and language similarities, much significantly more than the color of someones skin.

            I will also argue that you yourself are too narrowminded to see the bigger picture. You are a f hate based not on anything other than a person’s race and you can spin it any way you want, butit doesnt make you or YOUR racistyour RACIST agenda correct.

      • Paul M

        As I told you before, if white western expats started campaigning for civil justice etc. in Korea we’d be laughed at and criticised for being condescending post imperialist/colonialist dick heads. Over on RussiaSlam I’m talking to a guy about homosexuality in Russia and how I think they need to be more tolerant to the gay community and he threw the accusation at me of trying to impose western liberal values on Russia!

        • dk2020

          Yeah, its totally understandable but what can you do right? People are going to be suspicious and defensive if you try and tell them how to live .. Just live your life the best you can with dignity and hope for the best .. it is getting better slowly .. you can’t say Korea is going to be xenophobic and racist forever even though it seems that way .. Gotta remember you are 1st generation of immigrants in Korea so its growing pains to becoming a multicultural society ..

    • Zappa Frank

      i had the same experienced, but i could say it’s not just about americans.. when you live only in your own country you think of others as a stereotype, but when you know real people you realize that they are basically like you and everyone else in the world…

    • manymanycutesy

      Well I guess I have to meet some murricans that live abroad because those fatasses that I met in the U.S were the most disgusting racist crap I’ve ever met.

  • Brett

    Those lyrics were twisted into a “scandal” by someone who wanted to get noticed. The way I see it, Psy didn’t criticize America or American soldiers. He criticized the bastards who were committing heinous war crimes, and who killed 2 young South Korean girls without any repercussions.

    • ct

      by singing “

      “killing daughters, mothers, daughters-in-law and father

      Kill them all slowly and painfully”


      ?

    • jon776

      It was an accident. The driver was not careful enough, but still an accident.

      • dk2020

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMiG4EtbiKY

        accident huh? just like blackwater ..

        • jon776

          That’s totally unrelated but she walked right in front of the car.

          • dk2020

            So none of the soldiers are guilty of manslaughter?

          • jon776

            We will never know.

    • ggoma

      Can you read Korean? Please look up the lyrics. They are foul. Nothing was twisted.

      • Brett

        Ok… Psy was featured in the song, but they werent his lyrics, right? doesnt make it better but I still feel like the anger is directed at specific people and wasnt “anti-American”.

        • ggoma

          Reading the Korean lyrics, I felt it wasn’t directed at specific people but it’s up to the way you translate it. And I know they weren’t his lyrics. The American media needs to clarify that.

    • Pvt. Powell

      I don’t know what part of “Kill their daughters, mothers, daughters-in-law and fathers… Kill them all slowly and painfully” we can equivocate on.

      The 2 girls died in a traffic accident. I also don’t understand what part of a-c-c-i-d-e-n-t is not clear. It was a horror. It was a horror mirrored hundreds of times a year over in traffic accidents all over Korea. For that matter, more troops kill each other and themselves in accidents than anyone else, YoY since the military started keeping record. And sometimes accidents involve civilians. And sometimes the civilians are Koreans. But to subsume “intent” is to pursue the same ideological ultra-nationalist drivel that Psy was pushing at that rally. It’s an inherent part of racist ideology to subsume the “other’s” motive are always nefarious, no matter how innocuous in reality. So go on defending the indefensible.

      Whether Psy… or some other dipshit cowboy hillbilly pushing their own crap… racist rants are “cool” or explained away by “context” no matter how glib you want to be about it.

      • Brett

        I most definitely didn’t write my original post as clear as I now wish. I originally wanted to say that the soldiers who killed the 2 girls (accidentally) situation created a lot of hatred at the time and people were looking for scapegoats, however, the way I wrote it makes it seem like they were at fault (which clearly isnt the case). I dont know why I didnt finish my thought, but hopefully this clears it up.

        Thanks for spelling out “accident” though, that was helpful.

    • Yorgo

      Actually, they followed Korean culture and offered money to the family for their deaths. This was not a murder, given the details of the case (broken radio) it wasn’t even manslaughter on the part of the drivers. C’mon, please.

  • chucky3176

    It was wrong for Psy to sing that song. No matter what your position is on politics, you should not sing about killing people. It was an emotional show, at an emotional time in Korea, and I understand Psy has performed in free concerts for USFK soldiers in 2009 and 2010, with interviews showing him his friendly feelings towards them.

  • Observer

    Playing Devil’s Advocate here, but let’s reverse the situation; what would happen if an American singer that;s popular in Korea (let’s just say Lady Gaga for this example) was discovered to have taken part in a Concert promoting Communism in the past (don’t worry, she didn’t). Would the Korean netizens be as forgiving as it happend years ago. Are they likely to forgive her for past actions? What;s your opinion?

    • dk2020

      Already happened back in ’92 .. with Ice Cube’s Black Korea .. but I think the song was just reflective of the times back then with all the racial tension from the riots.. Music is truly a way of expression, and boy my parents HATED that I bumped Ice Cube back then .. This joint seriously got me into fights before ..
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFwA0UwnuS8

    • chucky3176

      Lady GaGa promoting communism wouldn’t have caused any serious bad reaction, since South Korea has plenty of left of center hardcore people, but if Lady had a concert bashing on Korea and calling for Koreans to be killed, she probably would have been run out of town by now.

      But these days, I’m not so sure, with signs of Korean netizens mellowing out greatly compared to years past.

      • Observer

        Not sure why i over-complicated the analogy with the whole communism thing. Your example would have been much simpler and more comparable.
        My brain was just overloaded after pulling an all-nighter (korean work load!!!)

        • chucky3176

          Well, to further complicate things, I’ll throw another curve. Psy’s days are over. He’s going to be run out of US towns, not in a big public way, but through silent boycotts by the Americans who are in position to promote him. So the intended results would be the same in both countries.

          • hun

            if chris brown can still be popular after beating a woman then psy can make it.. what you said about the americans is something korea would do. The only reason for psy to lose popularity in america would be a less interesting song than gangnam style or when people gets tired of him and throws him away as a one hit wonder.

  • dk2020

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMp-SCj2yB8

    Quick piece on Psy controversy on ABC news ..

  • 3ayo

    I remember when I first read about this on Saturday, I was just like eh. Really at the time Psy performed this song nearly 90% of the world hated the U.S. and Bush. Lol

    But, I don’t think inviting him to the White House after this would be a good idea. Conservatives would freak.

  • Jang

    The Korean Internet and media lied about what the American military did, they said the girls were repeatedly ran over and the soldiers laughed while doing it. Psy didn’t apologize, only his publicist did. Psy needs to be interviewed and asked whether he still believes the lies of Korea/Koreans.
    And isn’t this more like the translation “Kill all the big-nose Westerners, the Western b*tches and b*stards who
    tortured the Iraqi POWs and the f***ing b*tches and b*stards who ordered
    it. Kill their daugters, their mothers, their daughters-in-law, their
    fathers. Kill them very slowly. Kill them painfullly.”

  • I just did my reenlistment at the DMZ. Had to wear my uniform during my trip up there. People at the restaurants and 편의점s kept looking at me weird, like they were seriously concerned I was going to attack them. If I spoke Korean, they instantly chilled out, like a real stress was taken off their chest. Some refused to believe someone that spoke Korean [that isn’t ethnically Korean] could really be in the barbaric US military, haha. Mind you, I’ve been here for four years, but obviously you dont usually go travelling around in uniform.

    When we got there, we did our little ceremony/oath at the bridge, and went to 도라산 station. A huge group of Chinese tourists were there. Many of them were just staring at me, presumably because of the uniform, and within minutes, I got mobbed for pictures. They thought I was the coolest thing ever…

    Before I came to Korea (or read CSmack/KBang), I never would have thought Koreans are that bitter about Americans or Chinese look up to Americans that much.

    • Sillian

      I can only assume and guess here but you are big and not ‘goofy-looking’, are you? You may look intimidating to some people. The place also matters. For example, people feel more tense in a sketchy neighborhood where intimidation and violence isn’t unheard of and more relaxed in a touristy place under the broad daylight.

      • 5’10” and i think my picture is right next to my name.

        we went to a bulgogi joint in paju, and it was the middle of the day.

        • dk2020

          Uh yeah .. I would think the tension would be highest at the DMZ that isn’t understandable ? Any skirmishes happen there because that is the front line .. you should have passed out candy bars like the old soldiers used to ..

          • I doubt it’s because of DMZ tensions, considering how little South Koreans care about their friends up north. It’s more because 파주인들 probably arent used to seeing US military rolling around their town, let alone foreigners. Paju is somewhat out of the way. The only time Ive heard of them being on edge was when North Korea was legitimately about to follow through on their threat to shoot balloons originating from Paju/Imjingak. The islands are a much more dangerous place to be right now, as Kim Jong Un specifically stated he belives the islands to be open game for warfare and that local commanders have the right to call shots as they see fit (instead of requiring permission from higher up).

            I was stationed at the DMZ with 2ID for one month after the Cheonan sunk. Tensions were higher then, it was definitely a ‘unique’ expe rience… I was at the observation point right to the southeast of the JSA, and whenever I poked my head above the hill line I had the feeling a KPA guy had binoculars or a sniper on me. You could hear three or four mines exploding every night, poor animals.

            It was also good, in some ways: the night skies were the clearest in Korea, and I got to see nK light up the city of Kaesong proper every night as a ridiculous show of economic propaganda (“See! Our country doesnt have power problems!”). The infantry guys that were permanently stationed there tell me they actually have alot of friendly run-ins with the KPA; North Korean officers trying to practice English with them, guys trying to bum cigarettes from them, etc.

          • dk2020

            interesting .. the dichotomy of being at the border but yet that is the reason for being secluded, kinda ironic .. I wonder if its true about species of wildlife extinct elsewhere but flourishing in the DMZ, thanks for the personal account of what its like there ..

  • Yu Bum Suk

    So perhaps this guy had a point after all?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQhIMFy-stM

  • Yu Bum Suk
  • yeah

    What’s the problem? US Soldiers maimed and raped Iraqis. This is true. So you want to be irrational and attack somebody for speaking their opinions? What happened to freedom of speech? I thought the reason why the US came to South Korea was to deliver democracy LOL.

    • yeah

      With an IQ of 106 (the highest among the world) I thought South Korea was a nation of common sense. But from what I’ve seen they are as stupid as a rock. What shame there is when your country is occupied by foreign entities inside politics and in the land itself and you have KOREANS who actually believe they are there to protect South against the North. The overseas Koreans seem to be worse and parrot the things they’ve been accustomed with living overseas. I TELL THEM THEY ARE BRAINWASHED but they still claim US occupation is protecting the South from their own countrymen up North. LOL. wow once again I am amazed by the stupidity. Those people who are not Korean LEAD on the lie and the STUPID Koreans BELIEVE WHAT IS SAID IS TRUE AND TAGS ALONG. There is no original thought coming out of these Koreans not even for a second. This is why I have nothing but pity for Koreans.
      So I want to spread this message to every Korean in the world.

      There is a central government controlling the world’s finance. Any country who opposes it’s financial institute is a bad country. North Korea is on the list so they have been demonizing North Korea for a very long time. These foreign entities will EXTERMINATE every last one of your people to get what they are after and that is ECONOMIC CONTROL OVER THE KOREAN PENINSULA.

      for fucks sakes Koreans are dumb.

      • dk2020

        youre a judgmental idiot ..

  • Roihu

    “We would like to clarify the situation, given the fact that Americans have exaggerated the remarks to be solely anti-American.”

    That’s not the problem. The problem is that the song called for the death of our soldiers and their families and in no way is that acceptable.

    • dk2020

      How many death of your soldiers has happened because of these songs? NONE.

  • waygoogin

    it bothers me that the whole “protest” scene of that time has been relegated to anti-war…anti-american only. it was much larger than that. as a “white” non-american, i can honestly say that it was a time of near extreme xenophobia. there were many other “whites” that were treated with hostility other than americans. nationalism (nurtured by a great world cup experience), election campaigning… were contributing factors to this ugly time

  • Erdos

    Coming from somebody who admires aspects of the Sinosphere to a great degree, does anyone else feel like Asians are just less empathetic in general? I think they’ve evolved it, genetically speaking, because vast parts of the region are so harsh/unforgiving, not much arable land, constant raids on the little arable land there is in North China from the Xiongnu etc.

    I think Asians are just less compassionate in general. When I read forums like AsiaFinest after Cho Seung Hui killed all those people, most of the people there were saying they were glad he had done it because they were called a chink in the 9th grade and similar sentiments.

    Just a different way of thinking imo.

    • sl

      it’s just easier to see the worst parts of humanity in people who are less like you.

  • The principal resistance I have to the US getting out of Korea is that when left alone, without China and the US to restrain them, the north and south have proven far more likely to enter actual physical combat. It’s the US that has has, on many occasions, constrained hot-headed South Korean leaders, and China that has, in no uncertain terms, told North Korea not to do X or Y. Remove these constraints, and given the past, the potential for a hot war is high.
    Just saying.
    Historical incidents show this pattern, where the US, for example, had to restrain South Korean leaders from responding with brutal force when provoked by North Korea, which would have certainly led to all-out war, also involving the US and China. Despite the scenes of normalcy, there are still a lot of hotheads lurking in governments on both sides.

  • Piadon

    Who cares what a Korean pop singer thinks? Most Chinese and Japanese people weren’t amused by Psy’s anti-American song either.

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