Newspaper Reveals the ‘Truth’ About Foreigners in Korea

English teacher with a question mark

Nocut News, part of Christian broadcaster CBS, is garnering popularity with a series of reports on expats’ pick-up line skills in Korea. Although CBS (Christian Broadcasting System) and its ownership structure are obviously Christian, it is mostly secular when it comes to general news content. The journalists are not necessarily religious; rather, it seems they try and become a total news network, making up for lost time since Chun Doo-hwan’s crack down on the network.

Having said that, whilst budding Korean journalists generally respect the network for having taken a stand during the Chun Doo-hwan regime, the following articles from its news branch regarding expat men’s flirting with Korean women may leave a lot of us scratching our heads. This follows their first article, posted on koreaBANG earlier this week, about an American teacher and his stash of illegal sex tapes on his computer.

From Nocut News:

The internet is full of ‘Making out with Korean girls for dummies’

CBS’s Nocut News exclusively reported the problem about the foreign English teacher at the language institute of a famous private university who personally stored [on his computer] over 20 videos of secretly shot sex scenes with Korean women. As soon as we reported it, the police immediately launched an investigation and the school took action by firing him.

In light of this incident, CBS’s Nocut News decided to carry out news coverage to retrace the distorted values and the reality of native language teachers who in majority are white men [Nocut News editor’s note].

‘Korean girls rarely complain unlike most western girls’, ‘Yeah, right (group laughs)’, ‘My Korean girlfriends never came up with dating plans; they expected guys to lead them’

This conversation is part of a YouTube video, in which four ex-expats share their dating experiences in Korea. The episode focuses on how to seduce Korean women, sharing their multicultural dating know-how.

They also share some tricks and techniques in other episodes, such as chasing a hot girl until she finally gives in to their charming broken Korean, saying ‘I like you’.

korea dating tips

There is an English website ‘Korea Dating tips’, which blatantly shows its intention. It categorises Korean women in 5 types and sells respective dating tips: the Princess, the Conservative, the Traditional, and the Foreign-lover.

making out in Korean

Meanwhile, there is a book on dating Korean women, titled ‘Making out in Korean’, which was first published in 2004; that book is a steady seller with a revised edition.

The book is on sale on Amazon as well as in Korean major bookstores. It sexually objectifies Korean women by informing readers of everything from pickup lines to breakup know-how.

On top of the growing numbers of English hagwons, schools are hiring native English teachers in order to follow the government’s latest English education policy; there are more and more foreigners with E-2 Visas (English teacher visa).

Number of expats with E-2 Visa hiked from 16,300 in 2007 to 22,500 in 2011.

The issue here is that those foreign teachers are usually informed about Korea with distorted knowledge.

In particular, there are articles and videos out there giving the wrong impression about Korean girls, such as expats’ claims of having found a girlfriend in two days or having had sex with 20 women in 2 years.

Such claims let some foreigner teachers think that ‘Korean women are easy’.

A Korean working at an English hagwon said ‘Since all they need is a bachelor’s degree to get a E-2 Visa, some of them are working here in an attempt to pay off their student loans, whilst dating Korean girls for a couple of years.’

She also added that ‘I find some of them are not worth the lesson fees’, implying that some native English teachers are not qualified enough.

Of course most foreigner teachers will end up finding the reality is quite different from that distorted information regarding dating Koreans. However, some of them with false impression about Korean women are constantly springing up such as with the guy who committed that hidden camera incident last week.

Comments from Nate:

전선우:

We already ‘lost our face’ due to Korean prostitutes abroad. I don’t care about those girls having fun, yet what I find disgusting is some of them will hide their past and marry to some rich, naïve push-overs.

이영욱:

This is serious.. When you go up-town, there are many girls with foreign guys next to them. Don’t expect love from those girls who are so used to one-night stands. What happened to Korean ladies who keep loyal to their husbands? eh-hyu..

김시목:

Some of you girls dating white guys may think ‘I’m not one of them’.. We’re talking about YOU, bitches.

이우현:

Stop making sweeping generalizations. Most Korean ladies are not like that. Few thoughtless girls are making Korean women into a joke. We’ve got to keep a record of guys going on sex-trips to Southeast Asia and ladies having sex with Western bastards, keeping good girls and guys from harm’s way.

정건영:

Korean girls have a cheap reputation around the world; foreigners call them with a variety of derogatory terms such as ‘yellow cab’, ‘KFC’, ‘easy girls’… I feel ashamed of Korean women. I hope they stop making their mother nation a joke house.

김준환:

I’ve got a yankee friend, and he told me a shocking story the other day. He said it’s not uncommon for him to pick up girls at night clubs and have sex with them. And after those one-night stands, he can always call the girls to have sex; they are even willing to have threesomes. To be honest, I used to think such cheap attitudes can only be found among whores, thinking those girls he’s talking about are just a handful of Korean girls. However, he said 9 out of 10 Korean girls are that cheap. Korean girls are not so conservative with Confucian mentality anymore. We aren’t in a position to brand Japanese and Chinese girls as dirty and cheap. Korean girls are such a pretentious, bean-paste group of girls; some of them even go abroad to sell their bodies. I wonder whether such girls hiding their past careers as prostitutes are really just a few of Korean women.

김종률:

One of my friends is a foreigner. He bragged about his girlfriend living in Seoul the other day; she visits him every weekend, offering her body for his pleasure. He once showed me his picture with his girlfriend next to him in a motel room. When he calls me to come and have fun with his ladies, they are literally attached to him, speaking Konglish. I tried to dissuade them from being a booty call, but I’m not their father. I hope those girls first study English properly to understand how their foreigner boyfriends are talking about them. Oh, my foreigner friend also let me have read some of text messages from those girls, and they were full of rubbish talks like ‘I like that you’ve got such a huge dick.’ tsk tsk They have no idea he’s broadcasting their sex lives to me. It’s horrible just to think of the possibility that one of those women might end up becoming my future wife. I know they don’t represent all Korean women, yet I see that the number of these kinda girls is growing, which is slowly changing my views on Korean women in general.

오민윤:

Have you ever seen girls with foreign boyfriends that are actually pretty? ke ke They all look ugly, yet they are fucking pretentious, walking arm in arm with a white guy.

조창빈:

I used to think these kind of claims came out of misogyny; however, if foreigners see Korean women the way this article explains, maybe it really is a serious issue. Their perception of Korean women seems worse than our view of Japanese women.

이영삼:

Making out in Korean? The title should be ‘Fucking with Korean’!

Two days later, the following article was posted:

From Nocut News:

‘Korean Girls are pretty, let’s have a drink together’… Itaewon’s night scene

– ‘White Hunters’ flood the Itaewon night scene: pick up lines in Korean? Being an English teacher? That’s charm for sure –

CBS’s Nocut News exclusively reported the problem about the foreign English teacher at the language institute of a famous private university who personally stored [on his computer] over 20 videos of secretly shot sex scenes with Korean women. As soon as we reported it, the police immediately launched an investigation and the school took action by firing him.

In light of this incident, CBS’s Nocut News decided to carry out news coverage to retrace the distorted values and the reality of native language teachers who in majority are white men. On the 16th, in the fourth part of our series, we have directly covered the scene where these people breakaway [from their main purpose in Korea i.e. teaching] and are carrying out their actions in places like nightclubs in Itaewon [foreigner district of Seoul].

Last Friday 13th, at 11:30pm, we went to Itaewon’s L Club. To the deafening and resounding sound of music, Korean men and women, together with foreigners were hanging out, shaking their bodies to the music. The heavy rain downpoured through the late night, but their faces were flooded with excitement.

Caught up in the thick fog of cigarette smoke, the eyes of Koreans and foreigners alike were busily moving, trying to find the opposite sex. Some foreign men were eyeing up the bodies of women dancing while gulping down some beers.

If there was one difference between Korean men and foreigners, it is that the latter were more daring. One foreigner who found a lady he fancied started chasing after her with a relaxed smiled.

And naturally, the foreigner brought himself closer to her, groping her body and started dancing with her.

The sudden level of intimacy led the girl to say ‘euh excuse me, can you back off please?’ but the foreign man did not care. He repeatedly said ‘Oh~ Come on’ as if she liked it.

As the night deepened, the cheering grew to the sound of music. One foreigner approached our [female] journalist and laid his hands on her shoulders without understanding [why she was alone]. He asked ‘You came alone?’ and then grabbed her hand and brought her towards the stage.

He had blond hair and a pointy chin, and while asking whether he was a [American] soldier, he fiercely waved his hand. ‘Oh no~ I’m an English teacher. I teach at a hagwon in Bundang,’ emphasizing he was an educator [not a soldier].

As soon as she rejected his suggestion to hang out together by saying ‘I have to go back now,’ he said ‘Drink as much as you like, it’s all on me,’ hugging and dragging her from the back, making her become the victim of alcohol.

The foreign male did not seem care about who she is or whatever she does for a living. Had they had a good time together, then fine. But as the night slowly crept and the intake of alcohol increased, the violent dancing was embarrassing to the point it became impossible to bear.

multi-cultural couple in Itaewon

It was 1am on Saturday 14th. Even outside the club on the streets of Itaewon, foreign men were continuing to flirt. Foreigners were sitting at street food stalls, shouting out to Korean girls passing by ‘hey~ hey~.’

Then, as soon as the ladies would turn their heads towards them, the men would start waving their arms high in the air while winking, and point to the table they are sitting at with their fingers. Meaning ‘hey come drink at our table.’

If the women just passed by without the slightest of hesitations, then the men would simply fix their eyes on their next target. But of course, their next targets were another group of Korean women following shortly behind.

To them, the extent of their Korean language ability is limited to ‘Korean girls are pretty’, ‘What’s your name’ and ‘Let’s drink.’

Especially in the case of English teachers, they are proud of their status as educators.

One said in fluent Korean ‘I’ve been teaching Korean kids English for a long time, and after a while I can communicate my basic intentions.’

One man said ‘Some time ago, I hosted a kids English TV show on such-and-such program,’ and we could not believe what he had just said.

We have no intention of judging all expat men based on a single night’s experience in Itaewon.

However, from what we saw, it is clear that foreign men, or hunters, seek nothing but Korean women. There is no other words for it: the streets were overflowing with ‘white hunters.’

Comments from Nate:

김지수:

What bothers me most is that some of us feel ashamed of not being able to understand English when foreigners ask something to us. Aren’t the foreigners supposed to speak Korean here; asking questions in English itself is wrong.

이성희:

Go and see how Korean women are treated like whores in Itaewon. I heard Hongdae is becoming like Itaewon as well. Aren’t you ashamed of yourselves? Don’t you have any dignity or morality? They pick up girls as if they are shopping. We’ve got to build some dignity and self-esteem.

장명훈:

I want to kill that kind of foreigner, swaggering around as if they own this country.

정건영:

Korean ladies, this is an international embarrassment. This issue went too far; even foreigners make fun of Korean girls. I feel so ashamed of those girls. You ladies are getting what you deserve.

김성희:

There should be solid demand to keep the supply growing. I’m a girl, yet this issue isn’t just about guys bitching about girls ;;

양경훈:

I live in Itaewon. Whilst some foreigners are well adjusted, those girls are such sluts. It’s understandable foreigners look down on them. A lot of them even go for a threesome with a western guy. It’s universal that having too much alcohol leads to a dog-like behaviour.

이현진:

Korean women drool whenever they see those bastard foreigners.

김성환:

Girls walking arm in arm with Yankees.. When they break up with the western guys, I bet they will deceive Korean guys, acting innocent and naïve.

전우진:

White hunters? he he The hunters are Korean girls finding and catching a white guy.

봉석민:

I couldn’t care less about those girls having fun.. The thing is, some of them will hide their past and get married to a poor Korean guy.

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  • Jade

    Wow, you guys are so misogynistic.
    This is the 21 st centuryn women do whatever they want.
    Men do also date, have threesomes and don’t tell their girlfriends.
    If Korean women choose to date foreigners or whomever they fancy, it’s their right.
    Korean men are also promiscuous and go to motels and have one night stands with foreigners. Why aren’t they depicted in the show?

    • lavista4u

      I totally agree with you even though I’m Asian. Asians, Latinos, Africans and all in between could date white women but whenever a white guy try to date a women from another race, the guys from that race gets jealous and all hell breaks loose.

      I never thought Koreans will be so narrow minded, Koreans date white women all the time in America & Europe.

      We Asian men have big ego and lack intellectual maturity to see through it with an objective mind. Women are perfectly capable of making decisions themselves. I never saw a white guy telling a white stranger women to be careful of Korean men in Korea

      • DK420

        This isn’t just Korean media it’s also Christian which is a bit worse ..

      • WhiteIsPoison

        Hey you white inbred fuck, where in the U.S. and Europe do Koreans date white women “all the time”? Even in those nations of your fellow inbreds, it’s the white monkeys dating Asian women. You’re not fooling anyone with your “I’m Asian” shit. Women certainly are capable of making rational decisions, but not when you white monkeys are constantly looking for them to serve as one-night fuckholes. Amazing how far you’d go just to spread your white propaganda. First it was the colonizing of Korea, and splitting it in two. Now it’s the social colonization of Korean women. This is why every white inbred piece of shit needs to be burned alive; they’d have some use to non-inbreds as fertilizer than as humans.

        • Ralph Winfield

          Wow, you’re a stereotypical Asian guy – in this case a stereotypical Korean “male.” Funny, I thought that it took 2 to tango. You, though, believe that any Caucasian guy has 100% power over any pure, innocent K-gal: “Hey, you, come here now! Oppa commands thee!!!” Wow, Little Jaeji (sp?), you should stop smoking crack, drinking Soju every day and night, and lay off of the Korean dramas and Ministry of Education and mass media’s anti-whitey propaganda about Western males.

    • bigj

      I’m surprised no one said anything about dick size…….maybe that is why the girls like us so much ;)

      • DK420

        cornball ..

      • ashley willard

        If that were the case, black guys would dominate all women there if they ever went haha. Omg they’re crazy in the sack =P

        • Chicky

          y’all are making me laugh. And this is what I had in mind to say.

  • Brett Sanbon

    …The real journalists still on strike?

    • Raphael

      lol

      • Brett Sanbon

        MBC’s writers and reporters returned to work today I believe.

        • Noori

          I hate to say, but as a normal Korean spending most of my life here, it’s hard NOT to think in a discriminatory way after years of a nationalist education. Koreans depend heavily on hagwons over the course of their lives, but they don’t teach us how to think; I mean, the ability of critical thinking is not ‘measurable’ therefore it cannot be part of the university entrance exams.

          That said, the hiring process of the press is pretty much like the university entrance exams. Journalism aspirants have to memorise a big ‘common knowledge book(http://book.naver.com/bookdb/book_detail.nhn?bid=4676609)’ and study Korean grammar. Although they also have to take an essay test, I don’t think it really determines whether they have potential as journalists. In spite of the hiring system, there are good journalists out there, yet they are more of outliers; just like Kim Yu-na to the Korean figure skating.

          • Brett Sanbon

            Well Noori,

            I think its hard for everyone to not think in a discriminatory way. I discriminate, although I would like to believe that my common sense helps me to realize those thoughts are irrational. Its not just a Korean thing and its not just a Korean journalist tactic.

            I dont think that Korea’s nationalistic education should be able to be used as an excuse. We jist have to realize that this type of journalism serves CBS’ selfish purposes and the netizens’ reactions are a mirror to their own insecurities.

            Thanks for posting though. I had no idea about the news outlets’ hiring practices.

  • chelino

    I’m finally leaving Korea after 3 1/2 years of working/studying. I really love this country some parts of the culture I will not miss at all, like having to worry about dirty looks and dirty words shot my way whenever I’m out with a friend who happens to be Korean (or Korean-looking) and female.

    Korea, get your act together and stop painting all foreigners with the same brush lest they start to do the same to you. There’s no better way to ruin your image abroad than to isolate and discriminate against those who love you from within.

  • Anonymous

    God…I think it might be time for me to get out of this racist, misogynistic country.

    I’ve started to see this kind of stupid thinking more and more lately…it is a ridiculous double standard. Korean guys do whatever they want, jetting off to the Philippines to impregnate south eastern women, visit prostitutes and love motels, so on and so forth…but as soon as they see a white guy with a Korean girlfriend, they cry out that it is dirty. Every time I go out drinking there are many more Korean guys in the club “hunting” than foreigners…and yes, those same Korean guys will fall over themselves to try to get with a white woman…but I guess that is ok Korea huh Korea….Koreans can do whatever they want and it is ok, because after all..they are “pure blood” right? where is your news article about that Korea?

    This nation is really becoming more and more disgusting.

    • lavista4u

      I understand, its completely hypocritical, We Asians could date any white women we want, but as soon as a white guy try to date an Asian women, all hell breaks loose.

      Its our big gigantic loser ego, that can’t see through it all objectively, we lack depth. Trust me, the problem is not you, its us. In the Philippines, the Koreans have impregnated 1000′s of women and the babies are called Kopinos now. Why is not koreans looking at themselves.

      All this Kpop is just copying the western culture…They don’t really mean it…if they did..they would have left Korean women alone..

      Korean women are perfectly capable of making a decision on their own to whom to be with or not. It feels like I’m in stone age again due to the stupidity of fellow Asians

      • Snarl

        I’m glad you can see the double-standard, but whether it’s self-hate or just an act, this is not the way to get everyone on the same page. Korea resents America, so America should pull out of Korea and give them what they’re asking for. People have to learn that you can’t take things, especially allies, for granted. After a few years of massive trade losses, Hyundai, Samsung, and the rest will put a lot of pressure on the Korean government and media industry to undo what they royally screwed up.

        • Bruce Tutty

          Who said anything about America?

          • Snarl

            Is there a larger expatriate group in Korea than Americans? More importantly, Koreans are usually unable to disentangle their feelings about America from their feelings about whites in general. Most of this white-hatred in Korea (in its modern form) stems from Korean War era, and it has nothing to do with white people.

    • Chucky3176

      No one stops you from dating. It’s the stupid begging desperately, making sexual comments, whistling, and oogling, and hitting on total strangers in the middle of the drunken booze parties out on the streets, bothering girls that are just walking by, that looks unseamly and ugly. You want to get a date? Be a gentleman, and stop acting like horny uncontrollable animals. Grow up. That’s the crux of the complaint here. You guys just don’t get it, do you?

      • anonymous

        If that is the problem, then why does the media refer to it as a specific foreigner problem? Are you saying more foreigners disrespect women and drink in the street than Koreans do? If that is your ridiculous argument, please come spend some time in the neighborhood I live in. If the problem you have REALLY is drunken street behavior, then Korean needs to look hard in the mirror and stop writing slanderous hate about foreigners…

        P.S. Is your avatar supposed to be a nazi? And you are telling us we don’t get it?

        • 1011

          Kindly show me how the media refer to it as ‘specific’ foreigner problem. Bunch of moralizing articles about all the booze drinking and ruckus caused by young people around universities, Itawon, or wherever, come out every now and then. This is just another dumb news stories designed to lure more clicks on portal sites and T.V. ratings.

          Anyhow, some foreigners do act in such manners just like how you describe Koreans do in China or South East Asia and we all know there have been media coverage on that. Why do you think foreigners in Korea is exempt from little nudge here and there?
          If I was the reporter(?) I would also add in few incidents going on around Ansan to spice things up a bit.

          • Anonymous

            In case you’ve been sleeping, there are constant news reports, most of them titled along the lines of “the shocking/dangerous truth about foreigners.” No it is not a translation problem…. In these articles, things that Koreans do all the time are painted as being quite specific things that set foreigners apart as dangerous or dirty…I for one am sick of it, and if you aren’t willing to admit Korea has a problem with racism and a ridiculous media that is constantly espousing xenophobic bile, then the problem will continue…difference is Koreans will continue to go to America and live as first class citizens.

          • 1011

            Acting like doucebag is good source of news article everywhere especially if the perpetrators are outsiders. Some foreigners do see Korean women as lesser of their own women and treat them like well, whores. Just like how some Koreans treat girls from China or Philippines and funny enough, to their own women as shown above by those misogynistic comments. I have to say your assertion about media singling out foreigners as only group of people acting such way is just plain nonsense. Again, there are plenty of articles, even from the same outlet, calling out Koreans on similar issues all the time. They make living off of collecting mouse clicks not heads of recent college graduates who couldn’t find job in their homeland.

            On another note what’s this first class citizen thing? Koreans are moving out of Korea because foreigners are having bad rep in Korea? Huh? I’d say it’s better educational opportunity but whatever you say.

        • John Hamos

          Please just ignore Chucky, he has the Korean Flag stuff so far up his ass that he just vomits nationalistic xenophobic thoughts all day.

      • Brett Sanbon

        Well, Chucky…

        To be fair, Korean people can be just as drunk and rowdy. Alcohol effects everyone the same. After drinking, everyone loses their inhibitions. You just don’t get it, do you?

        I had a Korean girl try to jump into my arms so I would hold her like a bride only for me to let her drop to the ground… She grabbed my neck on the way down and it was sore for a week. She was drunk and out of control and forcing herself on me.

        I’ve seen foreign girls chase Korean guys. In China, my American friend had an Asian fetish and she only chased after Asian guys.

        I have plenty of Korean friends who’s eyes light up when they see a foreign hottie. I have to remind them to wipe the drool off of their mouths sometimes.

        Demonizing only Korean women and foreign men is unfair. You should know better.

        Finally, I think it is really unfair of you to generalize foreigners as “acting like horny uncontrollable animals”. You, who defend negative characterizations and generalizations of Koreans to any degree. Not what I expected from you Chucky.

      • mr. wiener

        I hate those news stories. Here I am hoping for a nice quiet night out, a few beers in the company of friends and I find myself having to conform to these ridiculous stereotypes.
        It sux sitting out by the food cart stand making lewd and offensive comments to women…*sigh* ,but if it is expected of of us…..
        Damn! I have to run home and update my collection of surreptitiously recorded sex tapes.

  • skippy

    What about the Korean men who stalk and abuse foreign women in Korea?
    Nothing will ever be posted about that?
    Go to a meetup gathering and you will see what happens!
    Go to a Korean organised meetup version and see how much emphasis is placed on the foreigners in the photoshots!
    Networking, passing around business cards – “oh I understand you must be lonely here in Korea? So far away from home… I can help you” bs.
    Try finding a “language exchange partner” with a Korean? Let them know you are a female foreigner. See what will happen!
    I’m so sick of being harrassed by some Korean men with obvious intentions.
    This shit works both ways!

    • http://info.philipp-grunwald.de/ Philipp Grunwald

      Some Korean guys acquainted to one of my female foreign friends tried to be her “boyfriend” and f*** her, just so that they could have their dong inside of her and brag about it! Foreign trophy wife. It luckily somehow came out before anything like this happened. The guys were ~22 years old, but a behavior like 15!

  • Yorgo

    wow, so guys, even foreign guys like to have sex. stop the press.

  • lavista4u

    wow…some of the comments by Korean guys is plain reverse racism….can’t believe these guys are saying that..If a white guy said this…He would be deported, banned from entering Korea again.

    Not a single comment from Koreans on letting women make their choice….same old demeaning comment on women, if they don’t tow the line…. Its not like white men are forcing themselves on Korean women…If a Korean women says NO…its a NO and the guy walks away…

    You guys are not hating white men, but disrespecting your own women, with these kind of comments…you are no different than taliban who just happens to shoot women, if you had a gun, i wonder if you do the same, your thinking matches with mullahs of Afghanisthan

    • James

      I concur. You got it right.

    • Um…OK

      Um — you didn’t know? Korean women BELONG to Korean men. They are required to do what Korean men say. They are whores, sluts, bitches and traitors if they do not.

      It’s just the same old script: insecure Korean men demand that Korean women ONLY date them because Korean women belong to Korean men alone. Korean women are not human beings, they are objects that Korean men use to feel good about their insecure selves.

      I mean, it’s really, really creepy stuff when you think about it.

    • Ray

      So…. the Korean comments are racist, because they are hating on Korean girls instead of the white men?

      I agree with all these ChinaSmack comments about how girls have their own choice and opinions, but that has nothing to do with the Korean comments.

      The comments are all about them describing a specific type of Korean girls that are “sluts” and “whores” because they are willing to have sex with any random guy they meet (co-incidentally a white person, white fetish?). If that is how those girls are acting in such a promiscuous fashion then the comments are justified.

      I don’t see anywhere in the comments where they are hating on the dating, but instead its all about the one-night-stands and being casual with a foreigner and their later suspicions about the girls pretending to be naive and fooling unexpecting Koreans men in the future.

  • ric

    i’m not korean however, I understand their concern…if they really are passionate they should band together and try to reduce the amount of foreigners allowed into the country.

    • Bruce Tutty

      Read some of the other comments here and grew up, this is a global world now, and these sorts of prejudices have no place.

    • Stories of butts

      Think of all the face they will lose though.

  • http://onethenatureofthings.net/forum Typhoon

    Yet another expression of the Korean insecurity complex.

  • Brett Sanbon

    I don’t think its worth anyone’s time to get worked up about this. It sucks that some people will read the story and apply this brilliant “investigative journalism” to all foreigners. However, it is foolish to think that all or even most Koreans will be tricked or provoked into believing CBS’ take. They clearly have their motives.

    A Korean working at an English hagwon said ‘Since all they need is a bachelor’s degree to get a E-2 Visa, some of them are working here in an attempt to pay off their student loans, whilst dating Korean girls for a couple of years.

    Obviously they could have omitted the part about “…dating Korean girls…” and the pertinent information would still be the same. However, adding the “…whilst dating Korean girls…” part makes it seem like paying off student loans and dating Korean girls (because no foreign boys in Korea have foreign girlfriends, right?) go hand in hand.

    The “Making Out In….” series of books is printed for chasing love all over the world. There are versions for French, Indonesian, Vietnamese, Tagalog, Japanese, German, Arabic, Russian, Chinese and the list goes on and on.

    In this report’s defense, (although they were fishing for this type of information) they probably didn’t lie or exaggerate what they saw in Itaewon. Foreign boys probably do approach women this way. Then again, Korean boys probably do too. And Korean girls. And foreign girls.

    There was just too much opinion in the article for it to be taken seriously. It was a sensational and subjective piece, don’t take it objectively.

    Yes, everyone knows the stereotypes about Korean guys in the Philippines, no need to fight fire with fire. Everyone knows that Korean guys can become unruly when they are drunk, too. Surprise! This is just an attempt at a media-orchestrated flame war between Koreans and non-Koreans.

    Don’t get angry over what the netizens wrote. They are citizens of the internet!! On “news” stories like this one, all you will ever see are ridiculous, made up, or hate-filled comments. Get over it.

    • http://www.koreabang.com James

      +1

    • Snarl

      “The “Making Out In….” series of books is printed for chasing love all over the world. There are versions for French, Indonesian, Vietnamese, Tagalog, Japanese, German, Arabic, Russian, Chinese and the list goes on and on.”

      I was thinking exactly that, but then again, most Koreans probably don’t know about the Making Out In series of books. It was played in this piece for points.

      “This is just an attempt at a media-orchestrated flame war between Koreans and non-Koreans.”

      More specifically, between Koreans and westerners. They wage their flame wars with Japanese and Chinese separately, over different issues.

    • Sojubang

      Nice post! I must have skipped past this earlier before I replied with a few of the points you’ve already made.

      • Brett Sanbon

        I aim to please.

  • 참을 수 없는 존재의 가벼움

    The point of all controversies over prosmicuity of perverties, male or female, is too simple to be hard to miss. The considerable number of westerners, except for a small fraction of them who deserve respect, come to Korea for job at English-teaching private schools or hagwons. They are usually poorly qualified for teaching jobs though English is their mother tongue. Given that westerners of excellent abilities do not have to pursue their careers in countries faraway (of course, there are a few foreigners of remarkable personality and capability here), they are a thing f low caliber. Seeing them bragging about going sleep with a bunch of girls who are as much insane is disgusting. Now is the time for South Koreans to foster a discerning eye to screen out bad foreigners from good ones in their social life.

    • Anonymous

      Yes, your last sentence was the important one.

      Korea blatantly and openly hires teachers based on things like appearance, height, and race….and then act shocked when the are underqulified? Another ridiculous lack of logic.

      Not to mention, if you are a qualified teacher, do you really have any incentive to work in a Hakwon where you will have five days a year off, your coworkers all ignore you (or are told to spy on you), and you get dong chimed by little kids whose parents tell them it is ok?

    • Bruce Tutty

      It is too simple to miss…you are annoyed because you can’t get girls….blaming foreigners are just a good way to hide this.

    • Sunshinefiasco

      The bragging about sleeping with tons of women thing is ridiculous. All men everywhere are guilty of that. Korean men don’t have amazing reputations with korean/foreign women either.

      The second argument here is what makes me nuts. Korea has spent millions of dollars every year for decades to bring foreigners here. They claim we are immoral because we drink heavily and date a lot (which sounds like what 20-something Koreans do, as far as I know). They claim we are unqualified. Well, then hire better people. Train the ones you have better. Offer more incentives for people who complete real TESOL/CELTA programs or master’s degrees. Look at Saudi Arabia– they need thousands of teachers too, and the majority of teachers in Korea aren’t qualified to even apply there.

      You can’t expect to hire someone with no experience, give them no training, and then suddenly have an amazing teacher. To get mad at the teacher, at that point, is ridiculous and really arrogant.

      Similarly: if you place no incentive on children to learn spoken English (as opposed to written/grammatical English), and you provide an environment that is completely hostile to them learning to actually speak, don’t be surprised when they can’t speak.

  • 참을 수 없는 존재의 가벼움

    I don’t want to comment upon sexual perverts of the lowest social class. And journalism describing an aberration as business as usual should be condemned should be criticized.

  • Um…OK

    Yup – as usual, the Korean guys are all talking like Korean women are their property, labeling them “whores” ONLY because they go out with western guys. I mean – that’s it. They are “WHORES,” “SLUTS,” AND “BITCHES” just because they choose not to date whiny, racist Korean men.

    It’s actually really good that we see this garbage — it completely reveals the truth about how racist Korean men are.

    Thanks Korean men. Keep up the good work.

    • 1011

      This is hilarious. Considering this is a sister site to Chinasmack I am kind of surprised to see people fuming over netizen comments. I mean I wouldn’t say all the comments made by Chinese netizens when pictures of some older white guy rubbing on Zang Ziyi or whoever the fuck’s ass went viral on Chinese web as some sort of illuminating example to behold about Chinese men’s issues with Chinese women with rich white men but I’m slightly curious, what nationality are you? Whatever it is your comment reveals the truth about your people. Disgusting and repulsive. I am guessing Chinese just because I just read about how some 화교 in Korea posting bunch of trolling comments about feminism issues disguised as Korean.

      • Brett Sanbon

        …what nationality are you? Whatever it is your comment reveals the truth about your people. Disgusting and repulsive. I am guessing Chinese…

        Dude, seriously? Were you thinking while you wrote that?

      • Um…OK

        LOL. Last time I checked, I was a white as one can get. But congratulations, you get an ‘A’ for once again following the familiar Korean pattern of dodging the actual problem that Koreans have concerning their racism toward white men, and the Korean male impetuous demand that ALL KOREAN WOMEN ARE OBJECTS THAT THEY THEMSELVES OWN AND CONTROL….. and…..at the same time you are also racist toward *another* whole group of people: Chinese.

        Do you never just stop and listen to what you’re saying and think about what you believe???

        It’s getting more creepy all the time with Korean racism and elitism.

    • Ray

      I think they are labeling them whores and sluts because of the group of korean girls that goes to clubs and do random hookups one-night-stands with “whites”.

      If a girl can be picked up by a stranger in a club one night and have sexual relations with him, and perhaps proceed to repeat that several times with other men, I too will call them sluts and whores, maybe I’m just old fashioned.

      Ofcourse the above are just stating if the truth is that those group of Korean girls ARE in fact acting in such a manner.

      • JK

        People can do what they want. Maybe the girls like one-night-stands?
        Some white women like one-night-stands, so why can’t some Korean women genuinely like one-night-stands? What’s wrong with that?

        And who the hell cares if they fool unexpecting Korean men in the future? If they can be fooled, then they probably deserve to be for lack of investigation. These articles are BS because they are not only racist but sexist!

        The thing about Asians (and I am one) is that we get “ashamed” by the things that other Asians do that we disapprove, because we think it’s a bad reflection on us. WTF?? You don’t see a white person being ashamed when another white person misbehaves.

  • Patrick

    These kinds of stories always focus on Itaewon where there are so many clubs around Seoul that are just loaded with about 90% Koreans doing the exact same thing as mentioned. Try a night out at Holic or Phantom in Sinsa or Eden in Gangnam. What do people expect to see when they go to night clubs? This is what happens.

  • 참을 수 없는 존재의 가벼움

    What is the good for wasteful mutual defamation?

    Most sensible Korean men do not think that all foreigners here having relationships with Korean girls are ill-tempered and causing problems.

    And most thoughtful foreigners do not think that all Korean women are easily cajoled into sex with sugar-coated lines.

    Lastly, most Korean women both with intelligence and beauty do not think that they want relationship with men, local or foreign, without mutual respect and commitment.

    • Dave

      Wise words :)

    • Ville

      Hats off to you, for writing sense into this forum!

    • mouse

      This is the only comment that makes sense.

      • Kechara

        Nicely written.

  • lamster

    This is happening because women are given too much freedom. They need to be suppressed and not look for a moral-less society based off of western ideals. Individualism, feminism, are ideals that destroy societies and creates degeneracy.

    • http://www.koreabang.com James

      Wow. Just… FFS.

    • Brett Sanbon

      You couldn’t possibly believe that, right? You are merely trolling, RIGHT? *rubbing eyes*

      • Sunshinefiasco

        Oh that is the definition of trollz.

    • Bruce Tutty

      “Individualism…are ideals that destroy societies and creates degeneracy”

      Certainly in your case it does.

    • Um…OK

      Thank you, thank you, thank you, you creepy Korean man for once again proving what everyone suspects: you want to control, own, dominate, and suppress Korean women in order to accomplish your creepy, misogynist goals in the name of making Korea….um…..wait for it……more “MORAL.”

      Absolutely *fascinating* in its creepy, nazi-esque implications. And utterly disappointing for a society that parrots itself as the best at, well, everything.

      Thank God all Korean men are not like you.

      • lamster

        If it was North Korea and we were left alone to live our lives freely away from foreign invasion, then I support women “rights”. But we’re not living in such society we are living in an open society where our culture, values, beliefs are being threatened. (like now) Koreans need to learn their history about Japanese occupation, Chinese invasion, US invasion (capitalism) and such histories..

        • mr. wiener

          Ahh, always the victim , never the aggressor, how pitiful.

  • jeremy

    This is nationalism.
    When foreigners come to Korea and hurt the country’s symbols/”assets” (Business, companies, anthem, women?) people will get angry. lol
    For instance, If Apple is taking over Samsung, people will get angry. If Westerners come and take all the job in Korea, people will also get angry. If Westerners come and get a lot of Koreans girls, of course, people will get angry as well.

    For example, imagine African people coming to Europe and US and taking all the girls of the country. I think in that case, we will get angry as well. Maybe some of African will say “No, it’s not true. NOT EVERY African is like this. The reality is not like this”. Do you think it will confort us ?
    For instance, in France, a lot of people said that the local insecurity is due to African people. Actually, it’s true. But some African people protest because it’s not true. They are also true.

    Returning to the issue in Korea, we must recognize that there is some truth in the blame of Westerners by local media. It’s too bad because it turns in generalization. But, we must understand this is a problem that affects the pride of Koreans. Here in the West we would not like foreigners coming to take our women. (Personally, I think it will not happen lol)

    I know very well that if I go to Korea, I will have an advantage over Korean girls with my physique, my culture and my ethnicity. But this does not mean I’ll go to South Korea just to enjoy it. The problem is that many guy going to Korea only to enjoy it. When these guys are going to Korea to become an English teacher simply to have fun, it’s not accepted in Asian culture. Asian culture rewards hard work, ambition and respect for others. Moreover, some of these Western fail to flirt or are not socially recognized in Western society that they find refuge in Asian society.

    In my opinion, what we have to understand by these coverage against us, is that there is a reality and we must accept it. It is a reality that the Korean media have updated.
    It is normal that some Koreans are beginning to despise the West. But, be aware that as long as there is this reality between Western and Korean women, the blame will continue. We can protest as we want, it will not help here since we’re foreigners here. We can change the look of our Korean relatives on the West but not the entire society.

    The main question is therefore how to do?

    • http://www.koreabang.com James

      Tout à fait d’accord. Excellent points, and well made.

    • Bruce Tutty

      Oh rubbish, Every single culture has its own history of being annoyed at foreigners, taking jobs, women, etc.

      All peoples do this, until they become worldly enough to know it happens everywhere, and is simply jealousy.

      Don’t pretend its anything to do with a particular culture, when it’s simply down to individuals.

      This whole article is racist, and only put here to stir discontent and get more readers.

      It’s disrespectful to all involved, disgraceful that this website has to resort to this to get an audience, and appears to be making matters worse by providing a forum for those that express their baser instincts as their first reaction.

      • Brett Sanbon

        Youve been at chinaSMACK and koreaBANG long enough to know why this article was posted. Unless you meant the original article?

    • Patrick

      “Asian culture rewards hard work, ambition and respect for others.” Asian culture allows you come to come to work hung over 3 or 4 days a week and work very little while at work then back out for drinks again. I have a different interpretation having lived here. Also there are roughly 1 million foreigners here, out of the roughly 50 million Koreans. Most of the the 1 million foreigners are Chinese. I don’t see how the small percentage of English teachers or soldiers are even coming close to taking all of the Korean women. There are more than enough to go around.

      • Kechara

        I can verify that assessment. I had a co-teacher whose job was to be my co-teacher as well as the English teacher for a couple of the grades at my school. He was a contract teacher subbing for the other English teacher who was out on maternity leave. Half the time he showed up hung over or didn’t bother to show up to my class at all. I was appalled by his lack of professionalism. I straight up told him to quit drinking. I was sick of his behavior. In addition to this, about half my co-teachers at my main elementary school in which I had my own classroom would choose not to show up to our class. It was terribly unprofessional and disrespectful to the students and to me, though quite expected from the stories I read before I applied. I was actually glad for the solo teaching experience as I planned on pursuing my credentials in the States after I had saved up money.

        As for Korean men, though I hardly ever left my apartment, I had a stalker within the first 3 weeks living there, my apartment’s maintenance man pursued me, as did the post man, and a married man tried to invite himself over to my apartment on a weekly basis for dinner. Korean men have no room to speak.

        • Kechara

          It was also embarrassing having to tell some of my kids to knock it off when they would dance in front of him as he sat passed out in a chair at the back of my classroom.

          Thank God he was the only drunk I had to deal with. The rest of my co-workers either didn’t bother to show up, helped, sat in the back of my classroom and read a newspaper or played with their phones.

    • jeremy

      James > Merci. Actually, you can also find the same problems in Asia like China, HK or Taiwan. But, it’s not as much updated by Chinese media.
      In Korea, it’s very pity that kind of topic also affects people who are not involved in this.

      Bruce Tutty> The whole article is not racist. It’s only reality (or part of reality). It’s the role of media to diffuse informations and facts. Now, you can criticize the way the media presented the subject. (Besides, I think the use of generalization is common to all media in the world)

      • Byshguy

        “Actually, you can also find the same problems in Asia like China, HK or Taiwan.”

        Actually, no you can’t. You can’t even compare Hong Kong, so we’ll leave that out. And China is a third world country, rich people of all nationalities go there and get laid.

        The Taiwan comparison is apt, however. And yes, there are girls there who like foreigners. The difference is that Taiwanese men don’t scream and shout and whine and cry when it happens. I’ve lived in Taiwan and Korea. When a Korean sees a white guy and a Korea girl, he always gets pissed off. When a Taiwanese sees the same thing, he’ll just say ‘good for him, she’s hot’.

        • kols

          My impression was that Korean girls don’t really go for foreign guys so people will react unusually to such odd pairings.

    • Byshguy

      “Asian culture rewards hard work, ambition and respect for others.”

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    • kols

      jeremy, you’ve not been to South Korea so you don’t know this. Korean girls are NOT going after white guys. Most Korean girls balk at the sight of Westerners and will openly reject you based on your nationality/race. You will not have an advantage in the dating scene It seems that being white has almost no novelty here. That’s why this article is so frustrating! Most foreigners know that Korean girls are not “easy” and rather prudish. And the ones who don’t settle for the slutty ones who’ve developed a chip on their shoulder from being rejected by Korean guys so often.

      • mouse

        Um…. Korean have plenty of sex. Just because they reject YOU doesn’t mean they are rejecting other people.

  • somesojuslammer

    I’m sure Korea will love western men once we start dying for their freedom again when North Korea round house kicks the south.

    The majority of Asian men (Japan Korea and China) are extreme beta males, it’s no wonder your women gravitate to western strength. Argue all you want, women have a biological nature to seek the best male to procreate with.

    In return South Korean males do the only thing they can (since they’re terrible at fighting) which is to use the media in an attempt to slander and make any intimate contact with foreigners taboo and off limits. I don’t blame the Koreans though, they’re only trying to hold on to what females they can.

    We (foreigners) are their enemy right now. After a while, the focus will shift back to whatever racial or religious group the media wants to target in order to get pages views/viewers/sell newspapers. Their goal is ultimately the almighty $$$$$.

    TLDR: The Korean media is playing korean beta males like a guitar.

    • somesojuslammer

      I forgot to mention jealousy. If Korean males were able to use their wit and charm say, in the States, don’t you think they’d be picking up pussy left and right? Oh, but they can’t! That is the issue in itself. They’re jealous and having a hissy fit as we introduce their women to the sutra.

      • Dave

        ”We foreigners…”?

        Hey, you don’t represent any other ”foreigner” than yourself! You certainly don’t represent me.

        Every once in a while the Korean press does get stupidly xenophobic. This affects my life here as an English teacher. It also affects my wife (we’re both ”foreigners”), she has been racially verbally abused by Korean men several times when traveling alone on the subway. She’s quite small, so she’s an easy target.

        Why does this happen?
        A) Because a significant minority of Koreans are racist. (Most are not, and there are racists exist in every country)
        B) Because Korea has a comparatively sensationalist and unsophisticated media.
        But also
        C) Because of a very small but significant minority of ”foreigners” do behave very poorly and don’t care how their behavior affects their Korean hosts or the wider community of ”foreigners” who just want to get on with their lives, jobs etc.

        Not only are your (frankly moronic) comments not representative of the feelings of the the vast majority of ”foreigners” living here, but they also act to confirm the prejudices of Korean xenophobes (who believe we’re a bunch of morons) in the first place.

        • somesojuslammer

          I suggest you specifically argue my comments instead of a useless tangent instead of a quite useless story about your wife.

          • http://www.koreabang.com James

            Dave:

            Not only are your (frankly moronic) comments not representative of the feelings of the the vast majority of ‘foreigners’ living here, but they also act to confirm the prejudices of Korean xenophobes (who believe we’re a bunch of morons) in the first place.

            There you go, he ‘specifically argued’ your comments and he said they were moronic.

            Dave, you make some very good points. And thank you for challenging the ‘we foreigners’ line which we tend to hear a lot of on both sides. As I have to constantly remind people, this is not a unified forum (it’s also not a forum, it’s a blog), we have no common purpose other than ‘intrigue’ and ‘curiosity’. I’d like to be able to include ‘respect’ in that common purpose but, so far, other commenters have let us down somewhat.

          • somesojuslammer

            Calling someone a moron isn’t arguing my points.

          • DK420

            dude, quit jacking yourself off u bitch .. racist condescending asshole ..

    • juxta

      Not sure If I follow you. Most Koreans don’t know a Korean girl who’s dating a foreigner. Korean girls who do date foreigners tend to be a bit weird, I liken them to the fat white girls who go after black guys. Most Koreans aren’t bothered because it’s not really a problem. The media loves to make a spin on trivialities like this because the Koreans will lap it up and talk about it while simultaneously being secure in the knowledge that it’s not really an issue at all. Maybe a few morons on the internet care but most don’t.

      • somesojuslammer

        I know some white girls who prefer black men, but I’m not their friends. I know some fat ones to. I don’t verbally abuse them though :)

        I agree. The korean media has become increasingly good at reporting drivel.

      • Brett Sanbon

        I’m not sure if I follow you, either. What do you mean when you say, “Korean girls who date foreigners tend to be a bit weird?” I would say some are eccentric, but I have seen far more eccentric Korean girls with Korean guys. Some try to be really “cute” but I have seen many more cutesy Korean girls with Korean guys. Some are shy, but again, more shy girls with Korean guys. I could keep going on and on… The same mix of eccentric, cute, shy, well-educated, or whatever girls, goes for any nationality. The only difference I can see between the two groups of girls, is that the group who dates non-Koreans tend to all be at least bi-lingual and many are more (even if just a little bit) willing to accept other cultures and ideals.

        “The media loves to make a spin on trivialities like this” because people like you label these girls as “weird” and “different” and “dirty”. Now, I know you didn’t call them “dirty” but you did separate them from Korean girls who date Korean guys, and that snowflake is usually the one that starts the avalanche.

        • juxta

          Seeing as how defensive you are, it must’ve come across as being rather unpleasantly true. I’m not just talking about their personalities, their physical features are also weird and not in a good way.

          • Brett Sanbon

            haha whatever

        • DK420

          I think he meant some Korean girls who strictly date only white men have a bit of self hatred ..

          • http://info.philipp-grunwald.de/ Philipp Grunwald

            Or some Korean girls are just 1.80-1.90 m tall and / or bored by Korean guys or certain traits rampant in Korean males (have been told so) and thus have specific physical or psychological reasons to make this decision.

          • dk2020

            LOL white people got such proper grammar, its not a science project bro .. Cutting down and generalizing your own race is just retarded, I’ve never done that to Korean women as the reason why I’m in a interracial relationship .. its cool do your thing but don’t shit on your own people and culture in the process .. especially fobs who never been out the country, never been in a interracial relationship before, or speak a word of English .. that’s just being naive. I’m glad i don’t run into or would hang out with people like that though .. sellout weenies. The people that whine the most are single Asian or white guys because when it comes down to it, its just men being competitive over women race don’t matter .. if Korea is still one of the most homogeneous counties in the world it’ll take awhile for interracial relationships to make a dent in that ..

        • BarleyStalk12

          Yeah, right? It’s as if Korean men all go out with beauty queens. LOL! I’ve seen plenty of dog-ugly Korean women with Korean men… in fact, all the time… so let’s just put away with the silly myth created by Korean men who are so insecure that they have to perpetuate the myth that all white men date are the “leftovers.” LOL. That is ridiculous. It’s a universal principle that mating/dating patterns are based on similar-looks profiles…does not matter what race, if you’re hot, you will date hot girls; if you’re mediocre you’ll date mediocre; unattractive will date unattractive… it’s hardly at all about race — unless your a racist psycho, that is.

          Anyway, look, I’m not trying to trash Korean guys, here. I know some of you are NOT like this. And some white guys are assholes, too. I am against both groups. I just cannot stand it when some Korean guys just have this creepy, rabid hatred for white guys. It’s just ridiculous.

    • Sojubang

      “We (foreigners) are their enemy right now. After a while, the focus will shift back to whatever racial or religious group the media wants to target in order to get pages views/viewers/sell newspapers. Their goal is ultimately the almighty $$$$$.”

      Despite the rest of your post consisting of unproven racist comments (i’d like to see the surveys where these majorities/minorities figures came from), I have to agree with this part (Except the we foreigners part), media everywhere in the world just targets controversial or fear inciting topics which spark off emotions (mostly negative) in order to sell more papers, have more viewers to their TV show or whatever their goal is, which always seems to equal Profit! Anyone who reads or follows news should take that into consideration.

      Interestingly, it will only either draw more attention to the situation to those who actually want to meet foreign guys therefore amplifying the so-called “problem” or possibly cause an outcry against foreigners from a minority. Most of whom were probably just looking for more reasons to add to their hatred of foreigners which existed in the first place.

      There’s a westerner supremacist undertone to your posts, where you seem to be under the impression that strong powerful westerners are sweeping through the girls of the nation, due to being better than Korean males. As well as that you’re implying that all westerners are on the same page as you. That’s where your problem lies.

      • somesojuslammer

        I believe the problem is the beta male attitude of asian men in general, which leads to media hype being such an effective method to combat playboy foreigners.

        This isn’t just in Korea. There’s a current wave of foreigner xenophobia going on in China right now as well, with a hotline up and running in Beijing to report/deport. Give it a week, and the media will focus on pro north korean supporters or the Japanese again.

        I’m not racist/supremist, but I do understand women want alpha males (be it money, looks or intelligence).

        • DK420

          Hey douchebag, get off your high horse ..

        • Sojubang

          I suppose these are your own observations, and everyone’s entitled to their own opinion. Although I don’t agree with the generalization.

          I’d say (in my own opinion only) that it could be the media trying to exploit their perception of the people rather than everyone actually being that way. Being a christian broadcaster, aiming at the more religious type (I’d assume), of course these things will be morally wrong to that audience. However I do believe it should be reported in a fairer less xenophobic way, but that’s broadcasters for you.

          I agree that they’ll definitely change subjects, simply because droning on about the same thing is just going to make people get bored of hearing about it. They may very well come back to it at some point with more “sensational” coverage for whatever reason they’ve conjured up.

        • http://amazon.com/author/rc richardnorth

          I have found working with Koreans in our Korea team here in Singapore, that the ladies are not after Alpha-Male CEO-success or ruggedness, but simply two-way English flirty chit-chat, as they’re bored at close-of-business. Yes, there are plenty of opportunities for receiving English-with-benefits intercourse; but frankly playboying occurs because the English chit-chat only lasts so long and sometimes mens’ urges for different nationalities creeps in (CN / VN / TH / SG / JP).

    • http://www.facebook.com/ed.suh.5 Ed Suh

      So your solution to fighting racism is to make racist comments about Asian males. Your post seems to belong in some PUA website. Don’t bother replying- your post was flagged

    • BarleyStalk12

      OK- so here’s an example of an asshole white guy. I’m white. This guy is stereotyping Korean and Asian guys just like I hate to be stereotyped by Korean guys. So my point in this thread is that there are assholes of every race. I can’t stand assholes who paint a whole group of people with one broad brush. Period. That’s all I’m sayin…

  • Yohan

    I’m looking forward to read their next piece about Korean guys hunting girls in Hongdae, Gangnam and every other area in Seoul ar bars, clubs, bookings and of course red light districts in case they are not successful…

    But of course that’s not interesting even though Korean guys are way worse than any foreigners in Korea.

    • carmouflagger

      Oppa gangnam style heeeeeeey sexy ladies op op op op op!
      Sorry, couldn’t help it :|

  • 참을 수 없는 존재의 가벼움

    Some heavily biased foreigners with pieacemeal, anecdotal experiences and knowledge complained of universially identifiable negative aspects of South Korea. Ad nauseam!!!

    • somesojuslammer

      Which translator did you use? Buy a new one.

    • http://amazon.com/author/rc richardnorth

      The intelligent office-working South Korean ladies I know here in Singapore are conservative yet have a refreshing humour. Beyond this I know nothing negative about South Korea, and “Chinabounder-type” English teachers are VERY OFTEN coming out with rubbish… After all, if you can’t find love, then making out with every vagina (vaginas often very very equal from one to the next) must be quite a boring thing to do (apart from maybe the regular “points of no return”…

  • k

    And Korean men are somehow superior to all other men when it comes to how they treat women? Lol. Lets see…when I was in Korea I had one Korean man stalk me back to my apt and try to sexually assault me in a parking lot before I hit him with a high heel and started screaming, I had random Korean and Chinese guys start snapping my picture before asking, I was called Russian 1000 times, any time I went to a bar I would be randomly groped by a passing Korean guy, I was offered money to “hang” with korean guys, I was groped at the grocery store once, I was declared love to a few times…..all by Korean men and Im a foreign female. My expat girl friends all had stories of being violated or harrassed in some way by korean men. One guy stuck his entire hand up my friends skirt…..yah Korean guys are never jerks. Korean men are very supportive of korean men dating foreign women, the entire time I was in Seoul with my Korean husband men were always giving him thumbs up or congratulating him or something silly but my friends american military bf had to be careful because if korean men saw him with a korean girl they would try to fight him…..its all such rubbish!!!

    • DK420

      If you’re getting groped and harassed, why don’t you and your friends press charges?? Your husband should whoop their old byuntae ajeoshi asses ..

  • Sojubang

    “Making out in Korean” is a language phrase book part of the “making out in” series, which happens to include dating, it also includes insults, greeting and other stuff thats not in usual phrase books, since it teaches colloquial everyday stuff. Which some people might need. Its not a step by step pick-up guide or something as portrayed here.. haha.

  • lee

    what about white americans and europeans going to poor asian countries like cambodia, laos, vietnam, thailand, etc, to teach english and have sex and rape underage children?

    • Brett Sanbon

      What about them?

      • lee

        are you one?

        • Brett Sanbon

          See: Sojubang’s response below

    • DK420

      Playing the blame game is retarded and redundant .. foreigners are still a very small minority and should be treated with respect, there is no way they will change the ethic makeup anytime soon. Korean women should also be treated with respect. It is all very sad .. damn pigheaded ajeoshis give all Korean men a bad name ..

      • Um…OK

        DK – you’re right. thanks for your attitude. It’s appreciated….you prove that not all Korean men are like the stereotypical ajeoshi.

      • Chicky

        The truth is, every woman deserves better, but the gender inequality in Korea is high. And what I see in majority of the Korean men is that they lack the nature of a real man. Inferiority complex. As far as I’m concerened, women have the right to date whomever they please, and I see that their men can never grow with their attitudes towards a foreigner dating a girl of their country. God made everyone to be free, not being locked up in a jar because of “needless culture”. In fact it’s no culture anywhere that it MUST be a homogenous thing. How can they feel secured when they lack the right way of expressing themselves?

        • Chicky

          I know for sure that not all the Koreans act the same, but it takes a Korean guy who has travelled out to see the four walls to know what’s up, but for these ones here, they are just like a sounding cymbal without a rythm. My problem is not even about the girls cos this happens everywhere, for for their guys, they are so awkward. I’m not a girl but the truth should be told.

    • Sojubang

      I’m confused, are you saying CBS should report on that too or is that a reply to someones anti-korean comment above?

    • Sunshinefiasco

      What about Burberry Men, the Miryang rape case from a few years back, the school for the deaf in Ulsan, massive human trafficking issues, institutionalized prostitution, much of which involves minors, and taxi drivers that assault women?

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    Dave’s comments couldnot be more right, in a rare display of impartiality in presenting personal opinions in this forum.

  • Eddie

    These efforts of the Korean media and society at large to demonize Korean women is really starting to piss me off. If a single Korean woman wants to have a fling with a foreigner, how is that anyone’s business? Where do people get off calling these women “whores” or “trash”? They don’t owe the public a goddam explanation or apology for what goes on in their personal lives. As an Asian male, I am deeply ashamed of what’s been happening. If you want someone to “blame” then I suggest you point the finger at Korean men. It’s their fault they don’t have enough game, or confidence, or good enough jobs to impress these women. Get a life, or better yet, get a girlfriend.

  • mouse

    Korean women sleep with Korean men they meet a clubs, so where is the outrage about that?

    Anyway, I’m sick of this whole discussion. Yes, there are problems, but it’s not like Korean women are exclusively the targets. There are Makeout books In like ALL languages. So they need to stop acting like Korea is special.

    What about Korean men sleeping with white women? This is completely not discussed.

    • somesojuslammer

      Because the current media target is foreigners, that’s why.

  • Andrew

    I think I have found the video they talked about in the first article: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JSCgvnzS7k

    Lo and behold, the uploader’s website is “korean dating tips” so that’s probably it. One thing that struck me is that the video features a guy who admits that he has struck out. This guy, “Vision,” notes that with Korean women one has to literally chase them to keep their attention.

    Cheers, mates.

  • k

    Hating on Korean men and generalizing them while building white guys as somehow superior is exactly what Korean netizens were doing and its just as wrong. White guys are not superior to korean men in anyway….Korean guys are really attractive too. Korean men are tall, almost all of them have excellent bodies and they take good care of themselves and are very masculine and they arent all misogynistic pigs. Korean men also take good care of their families and are traditional. I really dont think korean women find foreigners more attractive then their own, Korean guys are hot. I also dont understand whh any korean girl looking for a serious relationship would even be interested in a foreigner…..foreigners dont speak their language normally, are only in korea short term, dont understand all the cultural formailities and parent in laws, dont have the korean nationalistic mind and are much more critisizing of korea, dont look any better then korean men, and most do not see korea as their final home.

    • SlasherX

      I’m really confused by this. If I’m not mistaken you are married to a Korean man, right? It would be easy to take your statement and change the genders:

      “I also dont understand why any Korean man looking for a serious relationship would even be interested in a foreigner…..foreigners dont speak their language normally, are only in korea short term, dont understand all the cultural formailities and parent in laws, dont have the korean nationalistic mind and are much more critisizing of korea, dont look any better than Korean women, and most do not see korea as their final home.”

      So do you mean you don’t understand why your husband would be interested in a foreigner over Korean women? Have you ever talked to him about it? Or is it only strange for Korean girls to want a relationship with a foreigner?

      I’m not trying to provoke you (so sorry if it sounds as if I am!). I am just generally interested in why you think it is gender specific thing. It seems to me that the problem does come from the fact it’s a Western man and Korean women relationship. The other way seems to be fine (even in your mind).

      By the way I’m gay with a Korean boyfriend so I’m not sure where we would fit in this confusing mess of what is acceptable and what is not! I guess we are just plain unacceptable all round, ha!

    • DK420

      Thank you k .. using racism to fight racism won’t solve anything and just makes it worse.

    • Ryan

      If Koreabang had a “recommend” or “+1″ function this is a comment I’d use it on. Fighting racism with racism gets people nowhere and just angers people more on both sides.

    • chucky3176

      Reading all her posts, I seriously think K has some kind of grudge against Korean women. Am I the only one who get this impression?

      • Brett Sanbon

        No more so than the average Korean netizen has against Korean girls.

  • FYIADragoon

    First commentator got it. Whores gonna be whores, but don’t pretend you’re not afterwards. I’ll wait for buttmad ESL teacher responses now. Hows that 20k a year treating you? *snark*

    • Jeffli

      Hello Mr. Dragoon,
      I made 35k a year but I regrettably gave 15k alimony to your mom!

  • k

    Dragon I will have you know I made 30,000 a yr in Korea as a teacher! Which is sadly only 2,000 less then what I make as an elem. Teacher in the USA……and I didnt have any living expense in Korea….

  • DK420

    I’m Korean and my girlfriend is Mexican, I’ve gotten into fights with her cousins but I don’t hate all Mexican dudes for it that’s stupid.

    Being in an interracial relationship, in a way, is almost like being a celebrity: all eyes – Black, White, Asian, or Brown – are on you. Curious eyeballs are whispering salty nothings into each other’s ears as they speculate the big question that is on their minds: “why is SHE with HIM?” Only your opinion, and the opinion of your mate is what counts. If you’re not strong enough to do this, if you care too much about what they said, then maybe interracial dating isn’t for you.

    The fact of the matter is that no matter what ethnicity you’re dealing with, there are always men in that group who feel like they own all of the women from their race. Men who act as if their women are betraying them, even though they themselves are in a relationship. Men will be men and for as long as a piece of floppy skin dangles between their hairy legs, they will always be overly possessive, and utterly illogical.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=700911861 Luis Lopez

      NIce to see some common sense .

  • k

    Slasher its cool, my husband is Korean but he is a Korean man who speaks fluent English and has all his formal education in the USA and is more like American men then Korean men and his family isnt very conservative or nationalistic and very accepting and open to him being with a non korean as long as i wasnt chinese. My circumstances are different cause my husband isnt typical korean man….I guess I was referring to Koreans who have only live in Korea, who speak next to no english and have very traditional parents which isnt every one but most koreans. So yah if u switch genders, it still applies to korean men dating foreigners in korea. Many of my expat friends in korea were involved with korean men and because of the men’s families being traditional and because the women didnt plan on staying in korea, their relationships broke apart. I met my husband in university in the USA and married him in the USA before going to Korea…..but if I had met a man in Korea, it probably wouldnt of been successful.

  • mac

    Wow, you Korean men really have a chip on your shoulder about white guys. Jeez, get over it. If I want to date a Korean woman that is my business and if a Korean woman wants to date a white guy or any other guy then that is her business. Stop being so racist you fools, seriously! is it jealousy because very few white women would ever date Asian men?. Certainley seems like it. I am Australian and my wife is Korean and she is not a whore. By the way, Koreans should realise that there are many more western countries in the world other than America. Most white men are nothing like the drunk yobs on sex tours of Asia.

    • DK420

      LMAO, you’re just as racist and narrow minded as the idiots that write these articles. Blaming all Korean men is corny dude.

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  • Tippy Long Stocking

    Interesting. But these “white guys” act the way they do in US bars and nightclubs, it’s just part of the scene and shouldn’t be taken personally.

    What I find disrespectful is that they are not respecting the values of South Koreans or behaving appropriately as a guest in their country.

  • Tippy Long Stocking

    If Korean men are insecure about white men in their country teaching students, then why don’t they refuse to hire men and hire foreign women English teachers only?

    • Jeffli

      there are female foreigners living and teaching in Korea.
      but maybe korea is not attractive to them as an Island in the sun.

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  • Jeffli

    If I were in Korea right now, I’d be hunting down those wierd ladygate types

    Woman drunk and drinking on the subway train would be a hot starter………Oh c’mon teh Korean men most don’t want her anyway.

    Then theres the one who laid a dookie on the downtown train.

    theres probably a few more. well I’ll have em! I’ll even marry one!
    If a Korean ladygate type is psycho and rides a zebra I’ll bribe my way to the top of the suitors list!

  • CJM

    I guess Korean dudes just cruise Hongdae and Itaewon for the lattes…

  • Ben

    This is how sinners act, whether black, white, or Asian. This is how drunk, clubbing people act always, whether in Korea, America, or elsewhere. Whether an English teacher, a soldier, or a business man. If you play that scene, you are simply asking for trouble. You seek that drunk night crowd and party style life then you are seeking trouble. If you want to find respectable and honest foreigners or Koreans you’ll have to look elsewhere than the party scene at 12midnight to 2am. Respectable people are not outside whoring themselves at clubs or getting drunk. Respectable people are at home in their beds sleeping and getting rest for the next day’s honest work (whether Korean or Foreign). So, if you go where the animals go at 12-2am then you will find animal behavior–which to be quite honest is disgusting and despicable. I’m an English teacher in Korea too, and you can be dead sure you’d never find me out there acting like that. I’m a Christian. If you look in the right places maybe you will find some honest and upright people (both Korean and Foreign), and when those people choose to date, you’ll see that they do it respectably, and responsibly. Their life is not a blurry party or sex scene, but instead, is genuine love and care about another person. If you look in the toilet you’ll find something filthy dirty, but if you look in a proper place you’ll find something proper. So, you can find what you’re looking for. Let’s not judge all Foreign people, or Korean people by the disgusting acts of people living the club life.

    • Bradley

      I totally agree with you’re comment:)

  • Pj

    Who cares? Let young people have fun. Just be responsible. Everyone has sex. Get over it.

  • A Happy American

    Oh Korean men, don’t be jealous. Some women just prefer to be taken care of in a nice way and also prefer a dick that is bigger then a babies thumb.

    Get over it.

    • vetomon

      Actually, whitey men love to have any Asian female sex slave to take care of them in their old age when their useless noodle dicks are bigger than their hands.

      And most of the old whitey slut wives of these reject whitey men run off with the local pitbull black men.

    • Chicky

      lol

  • Mimi

    I see nothing wrong with these girls and guys having fun. I have two male friends who taught in Korea and had their share of great stories from clubs. To hear them say it, lots of Korean girls are after that special White Male encounter. Both sides are happy and both get what they came after. The girls get their wild story as do the guys.
    One of the guys actually married a Korean-American afterwards (met her during his English teaching trip)

  • vetomon

    They say in the Americas that no man marries a woman that is a virgin.

    Either you had her first or the other guy.

    But for Asian women, they all are virgins to Asian men.

    That’s because when an Asian woman fucks a whitey or black man, that is not sex and it does not count.

    So I have been told.

  • Sam

    As an American young woman, I can say with certainty that the way that American young men behave at night especially when drinking in bars and clubs is true of how they also behave in America. That’s why we often call men hunters. With alcohol involved and limited societal sexual boundaries today, they are very aggressive and eager for sexual conquest openly. Of course not all American young men are like that but, majority of the ones that like to go to clubs and dance and drink at bars. Be careful ladies. The bar and club is not an innocent seen for American men. You shouldn’t expect to be treated innocently by playboys. It’s just a game to hunters.

  • Guest

    Saw this last night while surfing the internet. smh. The world is full of morons.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Smith/100003026114865 John Smith

    Pretty faces are a dime a dozen. It’s a Sisyphean task to find a Korean woman who’s got more to talk about than her job, family, getting married and her dreams of travelling. Most foreign men quit dating Korean women because they’re freaking boring, they’ve got nothing to talk about.

  • Hana Kokanovic

    wow! :/ There seem to be many generalizations in these articles, but I do understand why there would be backlash on the part of Korean citizenry. Some individuals who travel abroad have little or no regard for or will to learn about their host country’s culture or social norms. As someone who is preparing to go work in SKorea, I am quite worried about the image Koreans will hold of me.

    Also, I agree with the comment about foreigners needing to learn Korean while they work and teach in Korea. Shouldn’t that be expected of any individual travelling anywhere around the world? Even Canada, a country of immigration, values and prioritizes individuals who speak English or French (two official languages) over those who don’t.

    It is a shame that some people are taking advantage of their position while in Korea, and it is a shame that others are not making an effort to demand that foreigners be more culture-sensitive and educated before arriving there.

    I hope this changes. <3

    • dk2020

      just stay away from the bars and bad neighborhoods at night .. most of this idiocy from koreans and foreigners is fueled by alcohol .. foreign women are treated better than foreign men from what I’ve heard also, I hope you have a wonderful experience. good luck.

  • Bob

    i just laugh at the utter hypocrisy of these types of articles from these particular Korean males. ha ha ha What a joke!!! The articles make me think of my divorced very attractive Korean female friend who tells me about her married Korean male work colleagues who ask her to go to a motel when they are out at a after work staff dinner/party. Or the multitudes of Korean men, many who are married, cavorting with Thai hookers in Bangkok. As well as all the young Korean guys studying English in Vancouver Canada (my hometown) I knew of cheating on their Korean girlfriends who were back in Korea waiting for them.

    These are just a few of the many many examples of the hypocrisy of the Korean male concerning this issue. It’s not Korean women giving Korea a bad image. It’s the despicable behavior of the cheating double standard minded Korean men who do!! You are just as guilty as any other man of any other race anywhere for your “male” behavior!! nay … i say worse!!!!

    • dk2020

      This article was written by an older Christian lady – ajeomma .. wow you have great knowledge of all Korean men, not condescending and ignorant at all.. no hypocrisy or racism there .. you know all ..

  • Ricky Jacobsen

    perhaps you vindictive, disrespectful little korean males should consider this reality! My fathers blood stains your dirt, my brother stands guard on your fucking border,I do not see any korean males guarding my border’s you insulting little pricks! YOUR WOMEN SHOULD BE DISGUSTED!

    • dk2020

      you’re an idiot .. Korea owes u jackshit .. soldiers do what dafuq they are ordered .. u are a retard .. gyopos assimilate into the culture and become citizens .. which is more than I can say about you or your punk ass brothers! u don’t own korean women either u dumbfuck redneck racist piece of shit! byunshin ddongmogo ssibaloma! Oh and I can name a couple Korean Americans that were ranked in the US Army and the military .. smh ..

      • Ralph Winfield

        Your over-the-top reaction is childish and Gyopos are often involved in gangs, human trafficking, selling illegal drugs, and/or other sorts of rotten behaviour.

    • Isaac

      Have you forgotten your country administered the division of my people?

      • BarleyStalk12

        UM… right. And have you forgotten that we saved your sorry asses at a time when you couldn’t even wipe your own asses without foreign help?? Yeah – you’re welcome. It was NOT perfect, of course. But you would be worshiping Kim Jong-un right now if it were not for our help. Our fathers and sons SPILLED OUR OWN BLOOD ON YOUR SOIL and now you whine like the little creepy bitches that you are about how a few white guys go out with Korean women, even while Korean men have the reputation in south asia for being CHILD SEX PREDATORS!! http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2013/01/116_129743.htmlhttp://legacy.www.hani.co.kr/section-001100000/2005/07/001100000200507090244001.html
        http://www.humantrafficking.org/updates/265

        ….so fuckin creepy how you Koreans just FORGET how people helped you, and then turn on them and try to humiliate them.

        KKK: KRAZY KREEPY KOREANS.

        • dk2020

          lol was that you personally that fought in the korean war? fuck off dude I’m American too asshole .. 90% of child molesters in the US are white guys .. remember that serial kid rapist that was an ESL teacher he wa a white dude too .. name Korean kiddie rapists like that ya bish!

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhj5nTtVRro
          heres some real news from ABC about the sex trade in the Phils for underaged kids ..

          • BarleyStalk12

            LOL, buddy. I love it. You’re such a typical creepy Korean guy who just sloughs off the all the nasty shit that Korean guys like you do, and then just blame white guys. LOL. So typical.

            The way that Korean men prey on children in south asia is pathological. Just do your homework, and that’s absolutely clear. Mail-order marriage? Yep – you’re the champions of going after low-income 18-year old girls, and then treating them so bad that Cambodia OUTLAWED marriage to Korean men. LOL! Truth of the matter is that Korean men — and korean men alone — are the Champions of child molestation ALL OVER ASIA.

            But cheer up there you typical insecure little korean dude – at least your #1 at something, huh?

            And by the way, I’m so glad all Korean men ARE NOT like you. You’re one of the little creepy ones that gives all the balanced ones a bad name.

            Nice try, buddy! Cheers, Barley.

          • Ralph Winfield

            Well, the small city near Busan had about 800 doctors, teachers, and other white collar job-holders raping either one or two middle school gals for a really long time. The girls and their parents were scolded and punished in a way that escapes me now for “bringing shame onto the community.” Lots of K-teachers and Gyopos have been caught raping or sexually assaulting their female students over the years. And then there is that 19 year old guy from Korea who, while an exchange student in Vermont, sexually assaulted the 2 pre-school kids of his host family.

        • Sillian

          Korean War veterans have been properly honored by Koreans. Do not try to take their credit as yours.

          • BarleyStalk12

            Oh? They have been “properly honored,” you say? Wow….nice.

            You know what Koreans would do if you were in the same position as the US in this case? First, you would take all the credit for the war, and praise yourselves ad infinitum as the best race in the world. And then, if you had liberated the US, you would bitch, moan, and whine all over the media for decades to come if we treated your veterans the same way you treat ours today. Shit, Americans barely mention it.

            Those men and women believed deep in their hearts–even in their imperfection and mistakes–that they were doing a solemn, sacred deed for the Koreans. You ask the old timers who were part of the Korean War — yes, a bit naive, and simple. But they knew they were helping a country escape a future of torturous oppression. And they were right.

            The way you simply treat our dead veterans as momentary objects to be honored for a moment in time and then they “have been properly honored” sickens me. They deserved to be held up not as perfect, not as even always sensitive (it was 1950, remember), but the fact that their young lives were brutally and violently cut short by either gunfire, tank mortars, or even the bitter cold, while believing that it was worth the sacrifice to help the Korean people…that deserves a hell of a lot more honor, and your heartless attitude toward a whole generation that were slaughtered on your behalf, betrays an ugly bitter stinginess that runs very deep. Ultimately, you smear the reputation of your country, your past, and your future.

            Trust me: I know all Koreans are NOT like this. Every country has sick, creepy people. But you Koreans that ARE like this, you disgust me. Sorry. I am just always stupefied that you Koreans that have some sense about this are always dead silent. You do so at the risk of the reputation of the whole entire nation of Korea.

          • Sillian

            You can argue that the war veterans deserve more but it is true that they have officially been honored by the Korean government.

            The Ministry of Patriots and Veterans Affairs (국가보훈처), Korean corporations and Korean Americans have been holding events and offering benefits for the American veterans and their descendants.

          • dk2020

            that guy is an idiot ..

          • White Monkey

            I like your pic. Why do people get so emotional at a blog post? Hate knows no color. It is spawned by ignorance and intolerance. How about you stop feeding the flames and try to accept. My wife is korean and I am a katrina evacuee. My child bares witness to hate and ignorance every day. Can you at least make the change in yourself. Stop your own hate and be a part of change.

          • dk2020

            Remember Nogunri? Why weren’t the innocent villiagers massacred not honored or recognised in the US? How about the atrocities you whiny piece of shit .. how old are you? grow the fuck up .. I was born in the 80′s how dafuq am I responsible for anyone else you fucken emotional moron?

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Gun_Ri_Massacre

          • Ralph Winfield

            Rescue them from what? Spell it out.

            C’mon, Kim,you see K-chicks as your property. Just admit this and I’ll never post here again.

        • Isaac

          Did the truth anger you?

          “…At the Potsdam Conference (July–August 1945), the Allies unilaterally decided to divide Korea[57]—without consulting the Koreans—in contradiction of the Cairo Conference.”

          My grandfather died for you fuckers in Vietnam. I guess all that was for nothing.

          • Ralph Winfield

            Your grandfather died for the dictator Park Chung Hee – thanks to the Mutual Defense Treaty- and the hard currency that the Red Dragons and Green Dragons brought to the then impoverished Korea. I’ve read in many laces that Koreans were paid the same money as the Americans and that Korean companies supplied much of the materiel for the war. Korea got a lot of money from the Vietnam War.

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