Are Kimchi Girls Alright?

The popular “How Are You Doing” posters ignited a youth movement with a simple question: “Are you all right?” Recent handwritten posters put up at Korea University ask the same question but to a different audience–the “Kimchi girl.” These posters ask, “Are you all right with being called a Kimchi girl?” This is the second post in a series on the controversy surrounding the “Kimchi bitch.”


Original article from Kyunghyang Sinmun:

A hand-written poster at Korea University asks, “Are you okay with being called a Kimchi Girl?”

At the rear entrance to the Korea University School of Politics & Economics, there is a poster titled, “Kimchi Girls, Are You Alright?” The word “Kimchi Girl” has been used in a variety of contexts to criticize women. The poster strongly admonishes society’s disgust for women.

On the afternoon of the 16th, five handwritten posters addressing the issue of ‘Kimchi Girl’ were put up. They were accompanied by the first posters put up on the 15th with the title, “Are you really alright with being called a kimchi girl?” The poster shows a Kakao chatroom named “Kimchi Jar.”

kimchi girl1

In the chat room, a user named “cabbage kimchi” says, “You’re called fermented kimchi for whatever reason- if your educational background and wages are lower or higher compared to men, if you prefer to date foreigners, if you have a lot of sexual experience, if you decide not to have sex when in a relationship, if your ideal type is a tall man, if you have many male friends, if you go to a women’s university, if you act innocent or not, if you are pretty after getting cosmetic surgery, if you are ugly and have never got any cosmetic surgery, etc etc.”

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The poster next to it reads, “On many different websites, all kinds of people come together to set the standard for defining a kimchi girl. No Korean woman can escape becoming one. Individuals shouldn’t be censoring themselves to avoid the “Kimchi girl” label. I want to ask all Korean women if they are really alright in a society that is hostile to and critical of women.”

Furthermore, “Hateful, coarse language that describes women like “kimchi girl” and “bean paste girl” have become a part of everyday speech. Women in this day and age have to constantly prove they are not such women. The standards applied for women are arbitrary and abusive unlike the standards applied for men. Fat and ugly women are laughed at and belittled on public television, but one woman who said men shorter than 180cm are losers was fired from her job and ostracized by society.”

The poster’s title, “Is your kimchi alright?” is also the name of a Facebook page (facebook.com/kimchicantbeok) that collects stories of those who say they do not feel alright as a woman. The page aims to help women judged and stigmatized by names such as “bean paste girl”, “kimchi girl” and so on, to release the stress of ‘not being all right’.

김치녀3

Five posters were also written as a response to the first, which asked kimchi girls if they were alright. Among them was one written by “fellow student Min-kyung” , with the title, “I have to give up so many things to become a sensible woman, so I am not all right.”

She writes, “I thought that since I didn’t like designer bags, I didn’t drink Starbucks, and I made fun of those bean paste girls with the guys, that I was a good woman. But my personality has to be good too. I can’t be too close with other women, but if I’m not close enough with them, that’s also bad. I can’t be close with too many male friends, but if I’m not close with any guys, it seems too arrogant so that’s also not okay. If I act innocent, that’s not okay, but if I act too much like I don’t care what people think, that’s not good either. I have to have sex if I’m in a relationship but on the other hand, I have to be a virgin. Really, now I don’t know what I have to do to be a sensible woman.”

It’s impossible to fit into the narrow definition of a ‘sensible woman,’ so I’ll give up on that and live how I want, how I feel. If by living how I want to live, I am called a ‘kimchi girl’, then I will gladly accept the label.”

김치녀4

“Worrisome female student, Ms. C, of the 2010 freshman class” wrote a response titled “I am not all right, since there is nothing else but to become a kimchi girl.” In her response, she says, “In the job market, the best qualification is to be male. If a female wants to survive in the workplace, she has to be more manly than a man. The successful female? If she wants to become president, she has to be the daughter of a president. Successful female businesswomen are the daughter or wife of the head of the company.”

“Any normal woman would get cosmetic surgery, or wear makeup, to maintain her beauty and youthfulness. This is all to meet a man with a stable job, who will help her feel ‘alright’ in society. So this is how we little by little all become kimchi girls. Adhering to the identity of a woman without any distortion is incredibly difficult. For Christ’s sake, in what way could we live to make you stop cursing at us?”

김치녀5

Here are also posters put up by male students, showing support for the hand-written “Kimchi girl” posters. This one, titled, “Not disgust, rather we ask for respect for personal preference,” brings up the criticism that society puts pressure on women.

Comments from Naver:

popo****:

Two hundred million won compensation for prostitutes who died in a fire accident. Fifty million won compensation for the casualties from the battle with North Korea in the Yellow Sea. Need I say more?

[The families of fallen soldiers received more than the prostitutes’ families did for each diseased individual. Also, the national compensation for the prostitutes’ death was due to the indirect responsibility of police corruption.]

qlql****:

If you want to get rid of Kimchi girl hate or misogyny, remove the Ministry of Women and the quota system for female lawmakers. Relieve the burden men have to support the family and establish a culture of splitting bills. Equally share the marriage costs and punish flower snakes as sexual offenders. You should stop whining and start taking action. Is it possible?

reli****:

I’ve never seen an article that leaves more room for refutation than this.

qmpz****:

Reverse discrimination by the Ministry of Women + mandatory military service for men + poor compensation for military service + women’s expectations for men to pay for them = maximized misogyny

보지털에비듬이:

The poster’s conclusion: I will never split bills with men. Out with penises!

0107****:

Kimchi girl?? It’s more proper to call them luxury-loving vanity girls. They are picky about men’s car, wealth, income and house while they don’t offer much themselves.

yagk****:

You try to take advantage of being a woman when it’s beneficial but when it works against you, you complain it’s because you’re a woman. Be fair. You don’t think there might be problems with yourselves when sexual discrimination happens? Try to think about whether you’re just using the gender card to seek security.

국가안보:

What are you talking about? If you just had common sense, you wouldn’t be called Kimchi bitches. Common sense~!!!

mysa****:

There are 25 million men in Korea. If you just combined every opinion from them about who the Kimchi girl is, of course, there probably would not be a single woman who could escape the label. And if some guy makes fun of ugly and fat women on TV, he will be buried alive. Just look at how much women comment on articles about dramas. Are you talking about comedy shows by any chance? Then, that’s the very victim complex. Why do you ignore the fact that there are many skits that make fun of male comedians’ looks?

wolf****:

Did the not-okay Kimchi girls fail to understand? Or are they being sarcastic? At the workplace, for example, women should try to do something instead of saying “how can a woman carry it?” when we have to carry heavy stuff

wlsa****:

Hello, Kimchi girl????

ysg1****:

Then you guys should do something about those girls who say the military service should be longer, say men should go to the army because women suffer from menstruation, say soldiers are housekeeping dogs, leech off men for money, or cosplay as victims after consensual sex…. I feel cosmetic surgery or cosmetics is necessary to a degree for women living in this age.. And do something about the double standards for sexual crimes. Why is it a crime for a man to enter a woman’s washroom by mistake while the opposite case is just a mistake? Why is physical contact with handsome men acceptable when cheering for sports while some other cases are criminal? This is all because of the Ministry of Women ㅡㅡ

leem****:

Go do military service first. If we fix problems one by one, you will eventually become human.

khyf****:

This comment section will soon become a battlefield.

zdsw****:

In fact, it is proper to just call them insensible or selfish people. There are many insensible or selfish men, too. But when women do something wrong, is it okay to label them as Kimchi girls or bean paste girls just because they are women?

Comments from Daum:

주홍님:

That’s cool, Korea University students! I hope we think about the online misogyny that is especially prevalent on sites like Ilbe.

beyond님:

They made false claims. It is not wrong to date foreigners. But it is wrong for them to put down Koreans while putting foreigners on a pedestal. It is not wrong to prefer tall guys. But it is wrong to insult short guys. It is not wrong to be friends with many men. But isn’t it wrong to manage a men fishery to leech off men? That’s why some foreign ESL teachers began using the nickname Kimchi girl to ridicule them and it has become what it is today. I see their bad habit of distorting the truth to make an argument again!

[There are multiple theories about how ‘Kimchi girl’ was first coined, none of which have been confirmed.]
감자그라탕님:

After some life experience, I realize that those who call women Kimchi or bean paste are mostly Ilbe bug types who can’t date girls because they are pathetic losers. Successful cool men don’t bullshit like that….

파란님:

Men don’t call any woman Kimchi or bean paste girl.

내차좋아 님:

You can like designer bags and Starbucks coffee. How you get luxury goods is what matters. We’ve been hearing about girls who steal their dad’s credit cards to buy a designer bag. The problem is the mentality that they have to get what they want by any means even without using their own money and men have to pay for them at places like Starbucks. Is anybody telling you to live like a nun or a monk? Pathetic. They put up such half-assed posters using the poster fad. Did they usually pay that much attention to school bulletin boards?

혀니님:

The social atmosphere that promotes Kimchi girls is also the problem. However, I don’t think it’s good to pour out personal complaints in those posters.

들이대님:

“I don’t want to try my best but I just want to live like a female lead [in a movie or drama].” Is that what they are saying?

ZEROZone님:

What loud farting sounds the Kimchi girls are making. Are they arguing that they can leech off men because society condones it???? I despise such Kimchi bitches. Voice your opinion when you have no shame. Don’t make excuses when you make guys buy you everything.

행복한여자님:

That’s cool. Although there are insensible women, many men these days try to make women “censor” themselves by shaming various types of women who are labeled as Kimchi girls. I’m a woman who never tries to make men buy me meals. If they pay for me, I try to pay for them next time. I take pride in the fact I haven’t been doing anything shameful but lately, I get annoyed when I find myself wondering whether I will be called a “Kimchi girl” by some men if I behave a certain way. I’m afraid I will end up meeting a pathetic guy who writes comments about Kimchi girls on the internet.

한군님:

Kimch b*tches’ double standards really deserve bashing.

Hoon님:

Do you know why there is such backlash from guys these days? Because there are many women that treat men like pushovers. According to them, it’s natural for men to pay for women. Men should be well-mannered for women. Men should be responsible for women….all while women do not acknowledge men’s authority. There are many cases where women use men just like they use male students who returned from the army for school projects. Do you know why companies prefer men? Men just do most of the tasks they are told to do. Women complain and whine. Do you know why female superiors prefer male subordinates?

악플왕님:

When Korean women date Korean men, they make men pay for everything. But when they date white men, they pay for everything. F**k, that’s why they are called Kimchi bitches.

월기욤님:

You should realize that Korean women’s mentality is the problem before you blame the society. They want to follow anything foreign, yet when it comes to marriage or dating, they still want their men to take care of the costs. Why don’t they try to follow the [mentality of the] women from Europe or the US that they like so much? That’s why there are words like “Kimchi girl” and “bean paste girl.” What about at work? Is it just a few women who bail out when hard situations occur? Just how prevalent do you think it has been for those words to be coined? Then those words’ usage has been expanded to disparage Korean women in general. Wake up.

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  • Mighty曹

    Kimchi Hoe has double meaning.

    • YourSupremeCommander

      And I am sure right after you pull out from a kimchi hoe, that s–t’s gonna burn like hell.

      • Mighty曹

        No, no, no…..not that hoe. Hoe as in raw dish.

        • Chucky3176

          It’s pronounced differently though. It’s pronounced as “hweh” with a hard h. It’s not pronounced like “hoe” as in hose. Hweh means sushi or filleted fish served in raw, so your kimchi-hweh doesn’t make any sense.

          • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

            It does when you see it written as ‘Hoe’ in English. :P

    • Alexis Lee

      maybe u are saying “sushi 녀” which is refering japanese women.

      • Mighty曹

        Oh, I just learned something new.

  • Doge Wallace

    There needs to be a clear definition of a kimchi 녀.

    Also, if a 녀 is “bitch” (as Koreabang says), then what is 년?

    Stop calling it “kimchi bitch” and just call it “kimchi girl”.

    • Mighty曹

      “Kimchi Hoe” 회

    • Alexis Lee

      녀 is a term meaning “girl or women”. 녀 doesn’t have any bad meaning. meanwhile ‘년’means bitch. so ‘김치녀’ isn’t not an insult considering literal meaning. but internal meaning is passing judgement on those bad bitches.

  • bigmamat

    I don’t see the problem here. If the Korean younger generation is ready to move on from traditional gender roles what’s holding them back? Korean men bitching endlessly about the pressure of work and military service. Korean women complaining they don’t know what men want from them. Everybody wants their cake and eat it too. Do any of these people know what they want? It doesn’t look that way to me. If they are tired of this culture of superficial relationships and dog eat dog competition then just stop. Stop feeding it by conforming to it. Have a fucking cultural revolution. Stop spending your life bent over a desk studying for job you’re not going to get. Stop allowing older people to fuck you over with impunity. Stop letting your parents tell you what do when you’re 30. Take charge of your own life and stop worrying about what the rest of The Borg have to say about it.

    • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

      “Everybody wants their cake and eat it too.”

      Pretty much sums up the issue.

    • Sempath

      It’s not just social rules, some things are laws too. People who avoid military service can be locked up, studying a lot is because you have one shot to place on a test that determines what jobs you can apply to, women who want a career can’t do that and have kids when people think your job is to take care of the kids and husband first and always. They need a major social and legal overhaul to get out of all of that.

  • commander

    Men have to endure their own share of discrimination, prejudices and pressure living in this nation.

    Saying that men prevail in society just because they are male as convincing as all women are Kimchi girls.

    In this sense, the poster is seen as very emotional thus less persuasive.

    Winning support of people in advocating a public cause needs to begin with a specfic story, awakening people to realize that this is really a big problem we need to tackle it wih urgency.

    An argument which is not specific only result in no empathy no action.

    • bigmamat

      Men do prevail in society just because they are male. You just happen to have the same problem you’ve always had between males. Not all of you can be alpha males. If a guy is out here on the internet complaining about being emasculated by women then I’m fairly certain they don’t belong to the alpha male group. The good news is that in order to be an alpha male in modern times the criteria is so much broader than it was when we were still living in caves. So my suggestion is that men stop blaming women for their problems and change whatever it is about their environment they don’t like.

    • namepen

      Well when facts are pointed out to people they dont seem to have much of an impact on attitudes. So maybe an emotional approach would be a more forceful way of showing people the reality that women face.

      Korea has one of the lowest rates of female participation in the workforce in the industrialised world and one of the biggest pay gaps in the OECD.

      That alone should be a cause for concern and we both know that is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the discrimination women face in Korea.

      Women in Korea are not going to do themselves any favours by trying to reach out and trying to politely ask people to listen. They are only going to effect change by constantly speaking out, day after day, year after year.

      • Sillian

        In fact, commander has a very good point about why they need to speak in specific terms. People keep talking about different generations and demographics. Korean women in their 20s have higher employment rates then their male counterparts and the average pay gap between them is about 10%. Many young unmarried Korean men seem to find it hard to be sympathetic when young Korean women complain esp. because men have to do the military service and also have to carry more burden for dating and marriage in general. The biggest problem for women’s career happens due to childcare after marriage.

        • namepen

          I know the ‘what about the poor menz’ angle very well, but it is not convincing. Military service is two years of grind granted, but the system in Korea does not discriminate against them for doing that time.

          You are not going to be any worse off career wise for doing the two years, quite the opposite. Try being pregnant or a women approaching 30.

          The government and wider society treats pregancy as some sort of serous disability. There is little support for childcare to allow women to work (although that is changing). Also you know as well as I that women being ignored due to their age and fired for being pregnant is not a rare occurance.

          Has any man been fired or not given an interview because he did two years in the military?

          In any case the main gist of the poster is the unfair and misogynistic expectations that exist for women and yet do not affect men.

          • Sillian

            Military service is two years of grind granted, but the system in Korea does not discriminate against them for doing that time.

            Has any man been fired or not given an interview because he did two years in the military?

            I don’t think anyone’s claiming military service makes men vulnerable to discrimination. The main sentiment is that two years are basically wasted in terms of personal development. Also, it is fundamentally a constitutional question. Your gender decides whether you have one more duty as a citizen. What’s the official rationale for this after all?

            I think the posters should’ve focused more on institutional sexism, using stats, to be more effective and convincing. Too much of their argument is responding to random internet comments they have seen somewhere. Speaking of gender expectations, one can argue that men are also pressured to be this and that just like women are pressured to be such and such. In this way, it’s easy to fall into the straw man fallacy, which diverts attention from the real problems that matter.

          • namepen

            Military service is not even an issue, it in no way hinders your career progression or denies you opportunities. No man is going to be prevented from getting his dream career because he served for two years.

            The same cannot be said of women who dare to have children or age. That slight advantage women have is, as the figures show, completely erased within a few years.

            Institutional sexism is indeed a big problem and it stems from wider societal attitudes. By fighting on two fronts against biased, anti-women laws and misogny online women could do much to improve their lot in life.

            You are also right that men suffer from gender expectations, but no man is expected to be a virginal, pure foil for their partners ego. Nevertheless it just goes to show that battling patriarchal ideas is not just a boon to women, it also helps men.

          • Sillian

            Military service is not even an issue, it in no way hinders your career progression or denies you opportunities. No man is going to be prevented from getting his dream career because he served for two years.

            I don’t understand why some people completely dismiss the mandatory military service issue when discussing gender relations in Korea. Only men are forced by the nation to halt their personal development and lose freedom for 2 years because they were born as men. Before putting it aside as ‘not an issue’, how do you clearly rationalize this? If female citizens also contribute to national defense in some ways, wouldn’t that make women’s voice much stronger?

            Women’s hardship in their career due to childcare is a separate issue. Discrimination against women at work is not enforced by the nation and it is something that may or may not happen to each individual at each workplace. While you can talk about priorities from a policymaker’s point of view, you can’t completely dismiss or neutralize one issue by another issue.

          • kimchibitch

            Do Korean women go to jail for not having a baby?
            Getting married and having a baby is still a choice, while male military service is MANDATORY!

          • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

            Getting married and having a child may be a choice but it is what is expected of Korean women. Society expects them to get married and have kids and raise them. IF they don’t they also have a slur for that type of women.

          • kimchibitch

            Yeah. I’m very well aware of that. But it is what is expected of Korean MEN, too.

            Society also expects many things from its citizens but not everyone is whiny as K-bitches.

            And what slur are you talking about? (I don’t think there’s one)

          • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

            not sure if it is a Korean, Chinese or Japanese slur. But apparently women not married and into the 30s are considered past their sell-by-date.

            Korean society (generalising here) expects the men to work, get married, have kids with their wives and earn a living that pays for it all while the women are expected to be stay at home mums lookoing after the kids. When both expect this of the other but also want to break away from their own expectation we have each side blaming the other. There needs to be some give and take and it seems that both sides are willing to take but not give.

            And everyone seems whiny about it, no just k-bitches.

  • annabella

    “kimchi nyeon” is referred to a woman who sleeps around, buys expensive brands when she can’t afford and goes for men with money. kind of like a gold digger. I don’t think this terminology is really used anymore. I actually haven’t heard anyone use the word “kimchi nyeon” towards someone in years.

    • Alexis Lee

      you sure bout it? i still can see the usage of “김치녀” on fb everyday, every night!

      • annabella

        isn’t it an outdated word though? I have not seen anyone say that on facebook or nate in ages. i dunno :|

    • Sillian

      ‘Kimchi girl or bitch’ is a relatively new internet word, I don’t think it was used before 2011. I see it more often than ever now.

    • kimchibitch

      Korean term for gold digger is 된장녀 (Deng Jang Nyo) not 김치녀 (Kimchi Nyo). The OP didn’t even know what Kimchi Nyo even meant but had to include every negative usages she could think of to exaggerate the case.

  • Alexis Lee

    I totally understand with guy’s insisting. but at some points, there is problem with them. It’s okay to pass judgement on those kind of bitches with bad behavior. but the problem is the fact that guys usually insult women with sexual terms. And i reckon this would be the important factors which would aggravate these arguments between men and women. Hopefully, guys would understand not every women has such behaviors!

    • sheila m

      Alexis lee- No, stop the judgment on others, no one has the right to judge others. people will live how they want. nothing stays the same. Korea needs a cultural revolution. labeling people does not help the situation what so ever, it only creates more hostility and animosity between men and women.

      • winterbitten

        Why do people not have the right to judge, yet have the right to live like obnoxious tards?

  • chris

    but kimchi is so good. why are they giving kimchi a bad connotation!!?

  • its all about 소주녀, 맥주녀, and 담배녀
    #420blazeityolo

  • Mighty曹

    I know it’s pronounced ‘hwe’. I saw a segment on a fish market where customers can select live fish and have it sliced to immediately served ‘hoe’. Various ‘hoes’. Since it’s written as ‘hoe’ it was just a wordplay not meant to make sense. You need to lighten up and maybe get a hoe.

  • Chucky3176

    I don’t understand why these guys are bitching and moaning about stuck up and demanding South Korean girls. If they can’t get submissive women who will be a good servant, just go and buy them.

    You can buy Han Chinese women from here
    http://eun-hwa.com/main.htm

    You can buy Vietnamese women from here
    http://vnwed.com/vnwed.php3

    Or how about Cambodian women?
    http://www.vswed.net/index.php3

    A lot of the women are only nineteen, yet most of the Korean men are going to be losers in their 40’s and 50’s, bottom of the economic totem pole, expecting the women to live with their mothers, and being a house maid for the family. In other words, being everything that the South Korean women hate about their potential spouses that they stay well clear of.

    • Chucky3176

      I think it’s time for Korean men to realize that Korean women aren’t going to roll over and be submissive to the man’s every wishes while the women silently suffer under the traditional marriage and family duties. Those days are long gone, it’s time to accept the fact that it’s the women who has the upper hand to choose their partner. Otherwise just go and buy a foreign woman off the shelf. But be careful because the products are not returnable nor refundable.

      • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

        The mentality does need to change. Goes for both men and women. Women cannot expect the same from men and want to be independent at the same time. Men cannot expect to have a typical or traditional wife or marraige life anymore.

        It has to be give or take. It cannot be one or the other. As someone else has already mentioned it, it seems like both side want their cake and want to eat it. That has to change.

    • linette lee

      I bet those are not Chinese women. Those are North Koreans pretend to be Chinese women. I have never heard of Chinese women being sold to foreign men. They get kidnapped and sold to rural places in China yes. That’s kidnapping. Many marry to Hong Kong or Taiwan men but no sold.

      • Chucky3176

        They are, and look Han Chinese. Chinese men buy up unsuspecting North Korean women fleeing North Korea who were captured at the Chinese border by human traffickers. The South Korean old men losers buy up Chinese women from web pages.

        • linette lee

          These men are all losers. Both Chinese and Koreans. Those poor women. Most of them are probably from some poor China villages and got kidnapped or something. Or maybe they are prostitutes and are looking to get out of China. And China men all day long complaining about can’t find wives? China officials should look into these sites and crack them down. Also they should crack down those human trafficking of North Korean women. Both Korea and China are equally guilty.

          • kimchibitch

            “probably?” LOL
            Women are not always victims.

    • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

      Just went through the cambodian one.

      Some of the pictures make them look like lovely couples. The ones with the blurred out photos are kinda…creepy.

      Anywya, aren’t these all from the same company?

  • Gerhana

    cant live with them, cant live without them…. no?

  • Sambo

    I’ve lived in Korea for two years (not right now though) and have had an adopted female cousin (Korean born, US citizen through adoption) and the one thing that strikes me and my cousin is that Korean people seem to bitch sooooooo much about the opposite gender. They are practically a-sexual. And there’s some weird mainstream ideal for females that has them looking and acting like nearly pre-pubescent girls.

    If you were trying to write a thesis on gender studies I imagine that Koreans would be a fascinating and rewarding topic. There is abundant respect for women there, there is certainly somewhat traditional roles that Korean males would like to see the females in, but even then there is just so much humanitarian respect for one another that it doesn’t come through in real life.

    That is a great thing, but the crazy dynamic is that Koreans don’t seem to be very loving people. Gender roles are kinda skewed, Korean males have some feminine qualities (I really don’t mean ANY disrespect here, just an observation) that just do not help them attract mates.

    I found that dating Korean girls and getting with them to be exceedingly easy (not that these girls were “easy”) because it seemed like I could provide something that Korean males couldn’t and I assure you I am no Casanova. My female cousin found the opposite. Not only were guys afraid to approach her before she even opened her mouth, when she did they were just completely scared away and intimidated by this Western girl (who also speaks fluent Korean BTW).

    Women in Korea seemed oddly submissive to me and yet Korean men seemed the same way. Again, these are not bad things because Koreans are great people and completely trustworthy which is awesome. But it’s just like they lack some general animalistic sex drive that seems to drive other people in the world to want to F like bunnies.

    On the dating field, this always ended up working out well for me. I had many Korean male friends who were jealous and always “joked” with me that it was because I was a white American who was semi-good looking. I never bought that, I still to this day think it was because I could offer some sort of aggression and male passion that other Korean males could not and also because Korean females seemed to demand to be “pursued” in the strongest measures even if no Korean male was up to it.

    tl;dr: So many uptight people live in Korea :D

    • One for all

      Not necessarily.

      Korean society is heavily oriented towards appearance. Your Korean buddies probably had a valid point when they mentioned your skin colour and nationality helping you to “score on the field”

      Just ask many of the South and South East Asians in the country who are just as good looking and aggressive as you are (albeit with darker skin than you)…..most of them couldn’t score with the average Korean girl if their lives depended on it….not because they don’t have any game, but because many Koreans have been socially conditioned to see those guys as “non-desirable”.

      Now if those same guys had top jobs with money to splash, I’m willing to bet my left nut that many of the Korean girls that would never have gone for them in the first place would suddenly find “attractive traits” and reasons to give their time and attention.

    • Nyai

      You are using you’re own (or your culture) definitions of masculinity/feminity with people is not from you culture. Masculinity and what you think is masculine is different in every culture. The same with calling them”practically asexual” they do sex, a lot, as in every country just because is not expressed in the way you are used to it doesn’t mean it not happen or they have less desire than you do. Do you really think korean males don’t atract female koreans because your own conceptcion of masculinity? Well, they share the same context and similar ideas of what a male is, so i’m pretty sure korean girls do not share your view. Nor a legion of fangirls all around the world….

      This kind of view (who is shared in western countries a lot) is one of the problems that lead to prejude and desexualize asian men.

    • jonny

      I would even agree if not this:
      “animalistic sex drive that seems to drive other people in the world to want to F like bunnies.”

      Twenty-first century. Thousands of years after people came down from trees and stopped eating only bananas yet people still (brainwashed by media? Having no individual opinions?) find physical needs THE MOST important in the world.
      I don’t want to sound like a preacher because like all healthy people I have my own sexual needs yet… C’mon. Is it what your lifes are all about? F* like bunnies? Like animals?

  • waitwhatthe

    lol to the person that wrote, “they want to follow anything foreign.” i feel like korean guys also try and get with foreign women. if they do get with one, they’re praised by other korean guys for getting with a foreigner. for them it’s status.

  • Jonjon

    if you people think that in the western world all married couples split the costs then you are sorely mistaken. there are many gold diggers out there just looking for a meal ticket.

  • Sayanee48

    ” Then you guys should do something about those girls who say the military service should be longer, say men should go to the army because women suffer from menstruation, say soldiers are housekeeping dogs, leech off men for money, or cosplay as victims after consensual sex…. ”

    That’s funny because when women make this kind of generalization about men, men always say ” BUT NOT ALL MEN !!!111!!! Only a minority of men are like that it’s not that serious” but it’s totally ok for men to say this kind of things. Ugh, I’d hate to be a woman in Korea.

    “Go do military service first. If we fix problems one by one, you will eventually become human.”

    It’s also very funny becaus the government, mostly composed of men, decided that there would be no military service for women. And I really hate when men act like going in the military will end sexism. If women in Korea would go to the military, Korean men would say that they don’t do as much as the men. If the women would do as much as the men, Korean men would say that women”s mandatory service is really new and that men have to undergo it since decades and that women shouldn’t say anything. And they would say that after the military service, women have it “easier” than men because they’ll just have to be pregnant and not work anyore. Basically, they would take any excuse to not consider women as equal.

    “They want to follow anything foreign, yet when it comes to marriage or dating, they still want their men to take care of the costs. Why don’t they try to follow the [mentality of the] women from Europe or the US that they like so much? ”

    Maybe because they can’t ? I’m pretty sure that Korean women are paid less than European or US women.

    I have the tiny hope that the users are Ilbe users invading the comment section… But it in my opinion it seems to be common Korean men opinion unfortunately.

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