Alleged Vote Fraud Protesters Use North Korean Font Banners

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With last month’s presidential elections now done, it’s not all dusted for some. Controversy has sparked over the past few weeks with evidence suggesting election fraud. Shortly after the count, pictures surfaced on the Internet showing voting slips bearing competing candidates names being placed into the wrong pile, that of President-elect Park Geun-hye. Other incidents have included a photo of a ballot box found in a trash-dump site. Since, there have been candlelight vigils – and even a protest on the White House website, demanding a vote-recount, in particular from the defeated-leftists of Korea, commonly branded as ‘commies’ by the conservatives.

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From Kuki News:

Protesters say ‘Re-count the vote!’ in North Korean fashion?…Alleged vote count fraud protest is criticised for supposed use of North Korean font

There is a rumour circulating far and wide on the Internet that the protesters against the alleged vote count fraud in the 18th Presidential Election held banners using ‘North Korean fonts’.

The protesters aka ‘Citizens to uncover the voting fraud scandal in the 18th Presidential Election,’ held a candle vigil on the 12th at the Daehanmun Gate in Jung-Gu, Seoul to demand hand-count for the latest Presidential election; they had first formed as a group on Internet forums and social network services.

The protest has come under fire due to banners that were shown on a web TV show that live-broadcasted the event, saying ‘Electronic Counting Result Invalid! We demand Hand-count!!’ Some internet forums claim that the fonts in the banners are ‘Made in North Korea,’ aggravating the controversy as to whether the protesters are ‘Jongpuks.’ The allegedly North Korean fonts are as follows: ‘WKW Light of Hope’ and ‘Light of Hope Flat.’

The right-leaning netizens responded to the controversy saying, ‘Are they really North Korean fonts?’, ‘Seriously, do WKW Light of Hope and Light of Hope fonts exist?’, ‘Who would’ve used North Korean fonts besides Jongpuks?’, ‘We’ve got to get to the bottom of this, who made those banners and handed them out?’, and ‘The banner designer has to come forward and clear any doubt.’ Opposing opinions are also strong, ‘Those are nothing but ordinary fonts, easily available for sale’, ‘Our thoughts are trapped in the discourse of anti-communism yet again’, and ‘They are dismantling the fundamental reasoning of hand-count.’

It is yet unknown who made the banners and disseminated them to the crowds. ‘Citizens to uncover the voting fraud scandal in the 18th Presidential Election’ has not explained their position on the banner scandal. There are promotional items and posters on their Daum internet community but nothing related to the scandal.

According to police estimates, 500-odd citizens gathered for the protest, saying ‘the government is dismissing the possibility of voting fraud, even though video evidence has been found; the votes are clearly miscategorised in the video. We demand an honest hand-count to eliminate any shred of doubt.’

And they also demanded the government to disclose all related information including the hourly results of 252 electoral districts, general explanation on the electronic counting process, and the process and result of absentee voting.

Comments from Nate:

seiw****:

What’s wrong with North Koreans using North Korean fonts?

econ****:

Ha! There’s a good reason for Comrade Lee Jeong-hee to demand a hand-count! It never would’ve been possible without a secret command from the North. Why did they use bukanistan’s [North Korean] fonts, even though a variety of South Korean fonts are available? The Democratic United Party should better make it clear about their position; otherwise we’ll start wondering why.

sm10****:

Wow… I thought they’re just a bunch of idiots who are obsessed with conspiracy theories.. But they really ARE leftist zombies.. duh duh..

ta18****:

It doesn’t matter. Those Jongpuks don’t intend to re-count the votes after all. What they wanna do is to label Park as a fraudulently elected President; in hopes of preventing her from having any work done for the next five years at worst, ruining this nation like they did during the US beef protest at best.

sm39****:

One spy gives birth to a hundred Jongpuks and 10 thousands of leftists.

phc5****:

I didn’t take it seriously when people were telling me liberals are leftist commies, but I guess they’re right. duh duh

gnen****:

Dig into who’s behind this, and we’ll see the Worker’s Party of Korea’s secret command.

ho90****:

I heard those fonts are out of reach for most people. duh duh

kent****:

You know North Koreans only use their own fonts? It’s plain and simple, they’re spies. ke

lawa****:

I wonder whether there are any ‘true’ liberals in Korea. They hit a new low by using the Commies’ fonts. I guess they have some secret agenda from the North.. Hey, jwajoms [left-wing zombies]! Try and explain this scandal!

dkzl****:

Most Koreans may have been fooled by your tactics during the US beef protest, but now it’s not gonna be that easy this time. Those protesters are nothing but Jongpuks.

vice****:

We’ve got to launch an investigation on the US beef protest. I doubt they really are South Koreans. I think it’s absolutely necessary in 2013 to hunt down every bbalgaeng-i [commie]; there must be hundreds of thousands of commies on left-leaning websites like Daum and Today Humor.

uran****:

What the heck is this;; It’s scary..

jjhl****:

The infinite loop of leftists’ repertoire: hand-count -> takes long time -> the result is the same -> given that it took long time to do the job, there must be a fraud -> celebrity getting married -> Park must be trying to hide the fraud by using the celebrity.

airy****:

Just think who they are trying to please, whether it’s the North Korean piggyke ke

luvs****:

I can imagine what kind of characters are behind the protest.. duh duh

gngn****:

This is serious… ㅡㅡ;;

hwan****:

Those bbalgaeng-i saekkis

king****:

President-elect Park Geun-hye, please could you do me a favour? There are too many people in South Korea who are longingly looking at the North. Seriously, some people just can’t let it go of the past that forced them to abandon their home during the Korean War and still yearning for going back. I’d like you to support and send them back to North Korea. Please. I’m begging you.

yama****:

It’s damn hard to get those fonts. ke ke ke ke

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  • Brett

    I heard Ms. Park called up George W. Bush just before the elections for some “advice” on how to “win”.

    • x1sfg

      Bush Jr. wouldn’t be the best person to ask, but rather SCOTUS. Some scary things SCOTUS has been coming up with in the last fifteen years, especially with the current administration.

    • dk2020

      LOL, you think it was rigged like in ’04? recount!

  • Korean presidents are selected by the CIA much like in the rest of the world. Voting and democracy is just a drama. Even American Presidents are selected not elected EVER.

    People are just being fooled left and right by democracy and communism. The current president will maintain the status-quo between north and south so that American army stays in Korea. Common, how hard it is for Koreans with same blood and same genetic make up to be apart from each other for so long, unless some external force is making sure they never be united.

    Its foolish, they are creating a lack of trust between two countries by media propaganda. South Korea is more developed and progressive, it should act like a big brother and forgive north and become one country. If North wants, you guys could rule jointly, like two presidents, like one big family making joint decisions.

    • YourSupremeCommander

      They also tell the sun to go up from the east each morning too. Yeah they dictate the universe.

  • Kate

    I don’t understand. Is it hard for south koreans to use that font? Why would SKers use a NK font? Is it apart of the message? Ik confused as to why the font is a big deal? Are they implying that the protesters are north koreans?

    • Observer

      Same as in America; according to Conservatives, being a Liberal automatically makes you a Communist. This to me seems more like an effort to distract people from the main issue (were there voting abnormalities?)

    • holdingrabbits

      Seems to me to be a pointed criticism. They wouldn’t have used that font by accident. The protestors are using it to criticize what they see as authoritarian tactics and the right are saying “See!?!? They’re commies!”

      • chucky3176

        They want to get rid of all you Americans from South Korea, break the FTA with the US, stop all imports of “Mad Cow US beef”, open up the North/South Korea border, eliminate military draft, hand over unconditional aid to North Korea, stop building military bases and gradually decrease South Korean military. And if they don’t get their way, they will use mass violent protests. Are they commies? Maybe not, maybe they are just naive disenfranchised radicals. But one thing should be clear, they are not shy of using every tactics at their disposal to get into power, which includes public violence, civil disobedience, and even election frauds (something that their party, the UPP, used this spring and got caught doing so, and now they accuse the ruling party of doing the same thing that they were caught doing during the local elections). The current government may not have been voted into power, if the UPP’s election scandal last spring, racking up ghost electronic votes using forged ID’s, and destroying their credibility with the voters.

        • holdingrabbits

          That’s fine if they feel that way. I’m not personally offended by the news that some Koreans can be racist and nationalistic. You’re going to tell me that the right wing party wants me to stay and dilute the purity of the Korea? Come on. I think the budget cuts in the public schools is a pretty clear statement about how the right feels about us being here.

          It’s too late to stop imports though. Korean culture exists in name only, like communism. The fact is that Koreans wear western clothes, eat western food, listen to western music, watch western movies, and learn western languages. Even Korean music, fashion, and movies mimic the west. Korean culture gets taken out of a box for a few holidays a year and no one’s going back. I know that there are people that really want “the good ol’ days” but those people always exist. The only solution would be to ban imports and continue making knock-offs, which would only encourage the stereotype that Koreans just copy but don’t innovate. I think the problem with your argument is that you’re saying “The left is like this…” but you’re implying that the right isn’t. South Korea’s great leader, the comically evil Park Chung Hee, used violence and corruption for decades and he’s remembered as a hero by the right. All politicians everywhere seem pretty corrupt, but the right (in America as well) seems to use their corruption for personal gain at the expense of the populace.

          Anyway, you’re never going to hear me say that a strong military is the answer. Civil disobedience and violence? Aren’t these the things that many Koreans want the Northern citizens to do? It’s a bit disingenuous to say that it’s okay for them, but not for here because everything is perfect. To me, that seems pretty naive. The wealth disparity in Korea and the lifestyles displayed on TV should have people rioting in the streets and burning down Apgujeong.

          • Yorgo

            if you are a foreigner in korea, the far left here is not your friend.

          • dk2020

            I think Korea’s youth today is too apathetic and spoiled to riot like the student protests that brought democracy to SoKo in the 80’s. At least the youth in America is down with the Occupy Movement. And budget cuts reflects the global economic slump worldwide .. or you didn’t know about the educational budget cuts and higher tuition in the US? To be honest in my opinion the ESL craze has not helped Korean society at all and just brought a bunch of whiny disgruntled foreigners in the country like yourself. Koreans that I know are proficient in English grew up in Malaysia and Guam, the tojungs that you teach I barely understand what they are saying. If you hate Korea so much and you think there’s no hope why don’t you leave dude .. I don’t think Korea will miss you or your condescending attitude at all ..

          • holdingrabbits

            dk, I think you’re right on this. I don’t think English education should be a focus here at all. There’s really lax hiring requirements and often people are hired because of their inexperience. If you hire bad teachers you’re going to get bad results. Most schools would rather hire someone with no teaching experience or any relevant qualifications because it will save them a little money. The people who learn English in Korea study their asses off and attend hagwons (where the real education happens), but the idea that “if the kids are just exposed to a foreigner for 80 minutes a week their English will improve” is a little hopeful. It would make sense for someone living in Guam or Malaysia to become fluent in English because they are in English speaking countries. Instead of looking for silver bullets for the problem of education, people just need to study and I don’t think they need foreigners here to do that. Chucky’s also right that having a foreigner in every school is a luxury. It’s also an issue of social promotion in schools. Kids are allowed to go to the next grade, regardless of how well they do. So of course the results are going to be bad for a kid who’s year behind on the subject, but that’s not my fault.

          • chucky3176

            Your problem is you think Koreans obsess over Americans day and night 24 by 7, when that’s furthest from the truth. You guys don’t even register that much. What a surprise huh? When I said there are people who want to see the Americans leave, I meant the US military. You actually believe there are any significant number of Koreans who want to see all Americans leave the country? Are you a fool? Too much reading ESL Cafe? Victim complex much? The budget cuts in public schools had absolutely nothing to do with Americans. They need the cuts to pay for the free meals and the free tuition, and whole shebang of social welfare increases that the government can’t pay for. And the ESL in public schools is one of those luxuries that are questionable in terms of effectiveness. Before you go off screaming racism, at least try see what’s going on first. It’s not always about Americans or R-A-C-I-S-M, or the evil Koreans trying to screw foreigners. Besides, I never mentioned anything about stopping all imports, but here you are blabbering and ranting all over, just listen to yourself. Anyway, people who call the banner people out for who they are, are not just right wing people. They are just sensible people without belonging to any particular political camps.

          • Kate

            Hey I want to ask you a question but not on this forum, do you have anywhere I can email you? Or here, this is my fb
            https://m.facebook.com/refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2F&_rdr#!/KateloveKj?__user=0

            You can add me but I really want to ask you something I just don’t want the whole world reading ^_^♥

          • chucky3176
          • holdingrabbits

            You were the one who brought up Americans, not me. You didn’t mention the military either, but instead you said “They want to get rid of ALL you Americans” (emphasis mine).

            In terms of budget cuts, I don’t think it’s aimed at Americans at all. I think the system was broken in the first place and that if we get the foreigners out then all the better. Instead of teaching English to future road construction workers and cashiers, they should have one teacher teaching the smart students at 3 schools or so. They’d save tons of money and you wouldn’t have kids who’ve been in English for 6 years and can’t say “My name is___” disrupting class.

            Anyway, your comment was meant to elicit a response and you got one. You were trying to troll me, plain and simple, because that’s what you do on this site. You picked a small part of the comment and ignored the flaw in your own argument because that wasn’t the point. The point was for you to be offensive and that’s fine, I can be offensive too.

          • Sillian

            I don’t know why you are saying all those irrelevant things seriously…o_o It seems you don’t even know what the left and right mean in the context of Korean politics. Don’t make parallels between American and Korean politics too much. In terms of economic viewpoints, you can make reasonable links but you have to be careful on most other fronts.

            In Korea, the left subscribe to ethnic nationalism much more strongly. The defensive left-wing nationalism. Why would you put up with North Korea’s bs and take it all with patience like a big brother? The underlying justification is the blood tie. One people. Unity. The left are more kin on removing foreign influences or ‘obstacles’ and increasing independence of the peninsula. That still isn’t xenophobia. Be careful here. They don’t mean individual citizens when talking about removing foreign whatever. It’s macro politics. You should consider the situation where a mid-sized country is surrounded by big boys. Everything means nothing without proper context. On the other hand, one backbone of the right is basically pro-US diplomacy. Don’t mix random xenophobic nationalists with the politically defined right-wings.

          • holdingrabbits

            Sillian, I guess my point was to say that there are Koreans across the entire political spectrum that believe strongly in ethnic nationalism. Chucky was implying that the right differed on specific social issues. In that way, it’s very similar to America. There are xenophobes everywhere and my point was that it’s not something specific to the left. My rant was a troll on Chucky, who isn’t a leftist, but is super nationalistic. The idea that he’s made some of the same comments that he criticizes the left for is ridiculous. In all likelihood, he wouldn’t be too upset if the Americans were gone or if we stopped importing certain things from America. He believes in Korea for Koreans. That’s fine if he believes that, but my point was that the genii is already out of the bottle, regardless of what any party wants.

          • chucky3176

            I don’t know where you get the ideal that I was implying anything about right wing. I don’t consider myself specifically affiliated to any political wings, I just agree or disagree on policies. I merely mentioned the left wing radicals and silly things they do. Does that make me a right wing? And show me where I said I would like Americans to be gone, or stop importing things from America, or even where I was anti American in any way or form.. ludicrous and you are are just projecting that all Koreans are like this. Actually, I don’t mention much about Americans at all. Silly me. On the contrary, I’ve always advocated free flow of trade, strong US military presence in the peninsula (but that benefits by both countries are mutual), nor have I at any time advocated removal of American citizens from Korea. That’s just pure projection based on a victim complex that you’re being treated like a black negro circa 1890 US Mississippi. pfffttt.

    • chucky3176

      The Communist North Korean party is outlawed in South Korea, under the National Security Law. The party that wants to unilaterally join North Korea, can’t say they support North Korea openly. They do stuff like that (hint at, without fully being open) to stir up the pot without getting arrested. The charges of election fraud are unwarranted, and the opposition party graciously accepted the defeat. The only ones complaining are the extreme left wing partisans who have an agenda to make things very difficult for the ruling Conservative party on every issue.

  • holdingrabbits

    I can’t imagine that the daughter of a dictator who had to be assassinated out of power would do anything corrupt. This just in: Fish in Ocean, swimming.

  • Paul M

    Hah! Look at you all, typing in your North American fonts. I say you’re all CIA spies.

    • Sillian

      It takes special effort to use the NK font for South Koreans. I don’t even know how they got it.

      • kangsongdaeguk

        I have a copy of “Hunmin JungUm” software, from a relative who works at a company under the Samsung Group – that font is present there.

        • Sillian

          Are you talking about JungUm Global that came out in 2005? Are you sure it’s ‘exactly’ 광명납작체 or WKW광명체? From everything I’ve read so far, it isn’t supposed to come with any South Korean word processor by default.

          • kangsongdaeguk

            Yup, that’s it. I confused names. Hahaha.

            I haven’t looked at all of them yet – but on the most obvious one, it really looks like it but I think the symbol for “h” differs from what is on the banners. I’ll be checking the names later on – when I put on my fonts folder. Their file names are in roman characters.

            Anyway, I’ve just noticed months ago when I installed it on my aunt’s personal laptop, there’s the option “North Korean fonts”.

  • dk2020

    Off topic but this is great news especally since they are cutting off international adoptions in South Korea by the end of this year ..

    ——————-

    President Obama signs HR 1464/S 416:
    The North Korean Child Welfare Act of 2012
    Dear Friends,

    KAC is extremely pleased to announce that after 3 years of hard work with the help of other organizations, including the Han-Schneider International Children’s Foundation, HR 1464/S 416, known as the North Korean Child Welfare Act of 2012 was signed into law by President Obama on Monday, January 14, 2013.

    KAC formed the THINK (Topple Hunger in North Korea) Program in 2008 to inform the public about famine and humanitarian issues in North Korea. Since the introduction of the bill back in 2011, KAC’s interns, volunteers, and staff have tirelessly worked to raise awareness about the importance of passing this bill.

    Since the beginning of our efforts, we collectively helped gather more than 68,000 signatures to encourage the passage of this bill and launch an awareness campaign that included our volunteers and staff flying to Washington D.C. to speak with members of Congress to gain support for this bill. KAC’s Executive Director, Grace Yoo, visited Washington D.C. with volunteers from June 3-7, 2012 to obtain more co-sponsors for the bill. We were able to increase the number of co-sponsors to 55 thanks to their efforts.

    Golden Globe winning actress, Sandra Oh, along with Steven Yeun from the hit show “The Walking Dead”, lent their voices to the plight of these North Korean orphans and paired up with KAC to help spread the importance of ensuring the passage of this bill. To date, these videos have garnered more than 45,000 views on YouTube.

    We thank all of you and look forward to your continued support as KAC and the THINK program continue to advocate on behalf of the North Korean refugees.
    Timeline of HR 1464/S 416

    April 8, 2011: Introduced and Referred to Committee
    September 11, 2012: Passed House with no amendments
    December 28, 2012: Passed Senate with changes
    January 1, 2013: Passed Senate
    January 14, 2013: Signed into law by President Obama

    • Kate

      Also off topic: I’m 100% moving back to Korea to live with my husband and baby in March Dk. We made our minds up today, its such a hard decision, I’ve cried for my parents all day because they already are missing their grandbaby but my husbands parents are gaining a grandbaby. I’m going to try to get into a masters program st a university in seoul as well but I have to go through the korean language programs first. Anyway here’s to korea!

      • dk2020

        Congrats Kate! I wish you, your hubby, and baby the best! If your Korean becomes proficient you can try to get a job at the US embassy as a translator that’s what my friend is doing, she works at the Swedish embassy actually. My uncle was also the Korean ambassador to Brazil .. network, network, network! Nepotism is strong but with your good looks and your Korean wifey status you’ll get hooked up in no time! Best of luck mamas hwaiting! ;)

      • Sillian

        Will you take courses and write reports in Korean at the university?

        • Kate

          You have to go through their language classes (just like FOB koreans have to do at american colleges except in english) before you are actually admitted into a university which you have to take a language exam to get into. I imagine that requires written and verbal since korean professors teach in Korean. This is all after I am accepted into a program of course. It will take me much longer to complete a degree since ill be essentially required to learn hangul first.

          • Sillian

            That will be tough. o_o Since you said you don’t speak much Korean yet, it will take much much time and effort to speak reasonably working Korean. Exploit your husband. Good luck! xP

          • Kate

            It will be but its about the only avenue I see that I am capable of doing that will raise my social status in korea, result in more money, better position, and well is actually something I need to do if I am going to live in Korea for a very long time. I mean I gave up my dream of being a kpop star along time ago ^_^… if I actually learn korean and in a few years be pretty functional/fluent in it and hold a MA in linguistics or teaching English along with my already education degree, then I will be in a lovely position to demand a good salary and a good job. If you’re going to better yourself, you have to work for it and I know I’m smart enough to do it. :)

    • redgirls

      My 11 year old cousin is South Korean by birth :{

    • dim mak

      Good. There’s a whole demographic of adopted Koreans out there who complain all day about how awful and racist their adopting parents (termed “abductors” by them) are despite the alternative being left to rot in some orphanage back in Korea. Most disgusting thing I’ve ever seen, and strangely made up disproportionately of Koreans.

      • ChuckRamone

        Do you have evidence of this being a substantial phenomenon, or are you just talking out of your ass?

        • dim mak

          I’m too lazy to prove things to people on the internet

          You can look into the angry i-hate-my-parents transracial adoptee community and see yourself that Koreans make up a strangely large portion of whiners

          • ChuckRamone

            Apparently you think the Internet is not a place for “real” discussion, yet you like to troll it. Just because you’ve observed some examples of something, doesn’t mean it’s a general pattern. You’re just noticing what you want to notice. If I had some kind of grudge against Greeks, I could probably come up with all kinds of “facts” about their bad behavior, and make asinine implications of what is typical of them. But I’d rather not be an idiot.

          • dim mak

            Oh here we go

            Now you’re implying I’m makin stuff up because I have a grudge against Koreans? How do you know I’m not noticing the phenomenon because it actually exists? Why exactly would I want to notice this?

            >hurrrr individual observation

            Dam u smrt
            What you gonna say next? It’s just my opinion?

            Of course it is, based on my personal observations
            You can disagree on rational grounds, or confirm/deny it yourself
            Save the crybaby b-b-b-b-but its just a stereotype! bullshit for white people

          • ChuckRamone

            The tone of your posts says it all. You sound like a pissed-off shock jock with an attitude of entitlement. Typical behavior of your type is to act like an asshole and when someone calls you out on it, they’re the bad ones.

          • dim mak

            >WAAAAH UR TONE IS MEAN

            Cool non-argument bro

            I bet I support Korean nationhood, culture and identity more than half their western influenced liberals – and i’m not even Korean

            Yeah I’m an asshole, and I’m also right
            Don’t like it? Go shove it

          • ChuckRamone

            No one said your tone is mean. It’s bratty, arrogant, entitled, angry, bitchy, all the bad adjectives one could come up with for the way an Internet troll posts.

          • dim mak

            >all he has are semantics

            your tears are so sweet

          • ChuckRamone

            are you talking to yourself?

          • dim mak

            is that the best you got? NO U?

            >he thinks this is paraphrasing

          • ChuckRamone

            Dim, the name suits you. We’ll talk again when you’re a registered user and not some anonymous troll.

          • dim mak

            Ooh, he’s not gonna talk to me unless I register on disqus

            Yeah, walk away, bitch

          • Kate

            This one made me lol, now you’re just talking semantics! :)

          • ChuckRamone

            Well, this guy is having imaginary dialogues with falsely paraphrased comments. You’d have to argue his sanity before you could argue the semantics of words that were never said.

      • dk2020

        Yeah, I’ve been arguing with a couple KAD adoptee friends about this .. ultimately, I would rather see these kids adopted with white families with more opportunities in the US then stuck in a orphanage in Korea ..

        • Kate

          Perfsonally, I think it’s a horrible decision. I think Korea is trying to lose the image of “baby exporting” country to the rest of the world at the expense of these orphans, they’ll be paying the price for Korea’s vanity. This is all fine and good if they want to start taking care of their orphans and finding them homes, I personally think those Korean children would be better off in Korean homes in Korea.

          The problem though is that many Korean families are not adopting Korean orphans and there is a huge stigma against adopting children that aren’t “yours” biologically. Traditional Korean perspective places huge value on paternal family ties, blood lines, and “purity” of race, which is why mixed children and children without fathers are not easily accepted and stigmatized. And if you are an older orphan then your chances of being adopted in Korea by Koreans is next to zilch. 95% of babies adopted in Korea are less then a month old so that the parents can pass them off as “their biological baby” after faking a pregnancy for months to avoid stigmatization and disapproval. If the child is handicapped/disabled then it will never be adopted due to the prejudices of Koreans (asians in general towards handicaps).

          The new adoption law is also requiring these single mothers to keep their baby for 1 week before placing it for adotion to “try and change their mind”. IMO that’s awful because a) Korean women are not asexual, there is man behind every baby created, so why aren’t they requiring the man to care for the baby for the week as well? Why should only mommy be responsible for this? B) The law is assuming that it’s the mother wanting adoption which is not always true. Some women are pressured into giving the baby up by the baby daddy or the parents and feel it isn’t THEIR choice but pressures from the outside. C) The law is trying to prevent the decline of the birth rate, well how about they start cracking down on illegal abortions and the doctors that perform them too? Instead of just punishing women? Or I dunno, make Korea a place where people actually want to raise big families and can do so. D) Take a woman, who is full of post baby hormones, force her to keep a baby she doesn’t want, force her to go to manadatory counseling to pressure her into keeping the baby, and you’re putting the baby’s life at risk with a woman who doesn’t want it and is hormonally not normal. Essentially this part of the law is almost like “slut shaming” them for a horrible 7 days. If a woman has made her mind up to give the baby away, then she should be able to do so without being literally forced to care for it for a whole week. That is just inhumane and cruel.

          The new law is just….awful especially for women. How about women who are thinking of abortion/adoption/abandonment, how about they are asked WHY they are considering those things and then try to fix the situations that have put them in those places?

          • Kate

            And I’m just saying as a woman who has given birth and knows exactly what it feels like afterwards, requiring mandatory “peer pressuring I.e counseling” AFTER the baby is born is just insanely cruel to the mother. For one, the first week after birth is incredibly hard on the woman. She is bleeding heavily, her hormones are insanely out of whack, she is incredibly sleep deprived from a crying newborn, and oh yeah she has a tiny human being that requires constant 24/7 care and is awake all night. The first two weeks after birth, I didn’t leave my house hardly at all. To require a new mother to go to counseling she didn’t sign up for and doesn’t want to be pressured to keep a baby she doesn’t want the first week after a baby is about as cruel and inhumane as it comes and a complete slap and stomach punch to womens rights. I mean did the korean gov even ask one single mother to be what she thought? Or did they just get a bun h of old misoygnistic assholes together who didn’t give two craps and a squirrel about what the effects of their law wpuld have on those effected? Just goes to show how little single mothers are respected huh?

          • redgirls

            I was a volunteer as a babysitter for a house known then as an unwed mothers retreat. Really it was a block of old flats to house girls and women who had had their baby and had nowhere else to go and I mean nowhere..There was a house near by for the girls and woman who were pregnant so they went from there to the house I was a volunteer in, You could not stay with your new baby more than 15 or so months but they would help you to some form of independence before leaving.

            One thing I learned was when some of the little ones I looked after
            were leaving for adoption I could not judge their mothers.Their grief and tears were as real as their love and they made the best decision they could with all their hearts given the situation they found them self in. My admiration and respect will always be with them.
            One of those ladies is still a great friend of mine.

          • dk2020

            Kate, check out this really good documentary by a Korean adoptee ..

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mFSWwUprUU

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