Japan Threatens Virginia Governor over “East Sea” Controversy

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Japanese Ambassador to U.S. Alarmingly Threatens Virginia Governor with Pullout of Japanese Firms if State Passes ‘East Sea’ Bill

The Virginia parliamnet is photogrpahed.

Japanese Ambassador to the United States is revealed to have sent a ‘threatening’ letter to Virginia Governor when the state parliament was seeking to pass a bill mandating that a body of water between South Korea and Japan be named “East Sea” as well as Sea of Japan in Virginia school textbooks.

A body of sea between the Korean Peninsula and Japan is marked as East Sea along with Sea of Japan.

The body of water between the Korean Peninsula and Japan is marked as the East Sea along with Sea of Japan.

[Note: South Korea has long claimed that the body of water between South Korea and Japan should be called the East Sea. Japan has pushed for the name "Sea of Japan" to be adopted as the official name for the sea on international maps since the early 20th century. The name "Sea of Japan" is, however, not accepted in Korea and remains a contentious symbol of Japan's 1910-45 dominance of the Korean Peninsula.]

According to a January 30th report in the Joongang Ilbo, Ambassador Kenichiro Sasae sent a letter on December 26th, 2013 to the Governor of Virginia. The letter underscored the illegitimacy of the bill, and hinted at a possible withdrawal of Japapanese companies which have invested in Virginia should the bill pass.

Earlier on January 28th, the President of Voice of Korean Americans (VOKA), Peter Kim, revealed in an urgent message that the Governor’s staff contacted all of the nine members of the relevant subcommittee within the Virginia parliament and pushed them to repeal the bill.

Governor McAuliffe distributed a letter approving simultaneous use of East Sea in his appeal to the Korean community during his election campaign last year. This targeted campaign is suspected to have prompted anti-East Sea lobbying from the other side.

The disclosure of the controversial letter appears to have exerted a sizable pressure, apparently reversing McAuliffe’s position.

In his letter to Gov. McAuliffe, Amb. Kenichiro, without making the usual pleasantries, bluntly said, “Juxtaposing the names of Sea of Japan and East Sea will lead to three problems.”

Mr. Kenichiro asserted, “First of All, Sea of Japan is the official name for the body of water between Japan and the Korean Peninsula, and it is wrong to say Sea of Japan derives from Japan’s colonial rule of the peninsula. Sea of Japan appears on maps from the 19th century when Japan was enforcing a policy of isolation.

The Ambassador added, “The government of the United States of America acknowledged Sea of Japan as only legitimate name and the Department of State has long maintained the principle of keeping one single name for one geographic feature.

“Second, passage of the bill would mean the Virginia parliament would be politicizing the student body. Students should only learn truths, and politicians should not disrupt their learning,” He added, sounding a note of admonishment.

“Third, my worry is that the bill’s passage would strain Japan-Virginia ties. Japanese enterprises have invested close to $1 billion in Virginia over the past five years, marking the second largest foreign direct investment in the commonwealth. Approximately 250 Japanese corporations are investing in Virginia, with 13,000 jobs created in 2012 alone.” [...] “The bill’s passage will risk undermining Japan-Virginia cooperation and the economic relationship.”

The words of “worry,” “fear” in the letter are construed as delivering an oblique but strong warning to the governor.

Diplomacy experts say that the letter, though not explicit, is tantamount to blackmail threatening reduced investment or withdrawal of Japanese firms in the case of the bill’s passage.

Equally controversial is that most of the facts mentioned in the letter are misguiding.

Historically, ancient maps marking East Sea far outnumbers those indicating Sea of Japan, and the letter deliberately hides the fact that Sea of Japan was proclaimed in the aftermath of Japan’s dominance of the Korean Peninsula.

It is also true that the Department of State marks the sea between two allies as East Sea as well as Sea of Japan on its official documents.

As for the presentation of the bill to the Virginia parliament, the bill is aimed at notifying students of the fact that the sea in question is called different names in South Korea and Japan–a goal that is consistent with educational aims of teaching the truth.

Amb. Kenichiro’s delivery of the letter is seen as the final piece of Japan’s behind the scenes efforts to scuttle the ‘East Sea’ bill. Currently, Japan is mounting a lobbying campaign to vote down the “East Sea’ bill pending at the lower house of the Virginia parliament, after having employed a large law firm in the United States.

Even if the bill gets approved at the lower chamber,ratification requires the bill to be signed by the governor after combining with another bill backed in the state legislature. The governor’s veto of the bill would put an end to hopes for its passage. Japan has thus erected multiple lines of defense to ensure the bill’s defeat.

Criticism of South Korea’s alleged diplomatic complacency.

Leaving the VOKA, a nongovernmental association of Koreansin Virginia, to support the bill, the South Korean government has been pursuing “invisible diplomacy.” A Korean-American in Virginia said pointedly, “While the Japanese government is staging a massive lobbying effort, what is the good of “invisible diplomacy”? At this point, invisible diplomacy is nothing but “do-nothing diplomacy.”

Comments from Daum:

광복:

While Japan is lobbying to thwart the East Sea bill, the South Korean government is busy making a history textbook published by the publishing house Kyohaksa, stating that the islets of Dokdo have contested ownership contested.

하얀전사:

Does our government have no will to wage a diplomatic battle against Japan?

kjh: [responding to above]

We might as well get rid of the South Korean Embassy in the United States. I don’t know what the embassy is doing. At a time when Japan fabricates history, the South Korean government fails to safeguard its history. What a sloppy government!

고객님:

The late former President Park Chung-hee rolled up his sleeves to protect national security. Why is his daughter and our president remaining silent about this latest issue?

스파이더 고양이: [responding to above]

What? It was Takaki Masao [the Japanese name for Park Chung-hee] who sold the islets of Dokdo. What are you talking about?

하늘참맑아:

Descendants of pro-Japanese collaborators still thrive in South Korea, and that explains why we remain inactive.

Comments from Daum:

paula cho:

Kyohaksa, a textbook publisher, proudly [sarcasm] describes the islets of Dokdo as being in dispute in its latest history textbook. I think Abe must study history with Kyohaksa’s textbook. The new textbook, if exported to Japan, will be a mega hit there.

김동정: [responding to above]

It’s only natural that we cannot effectively counter external claims when we are divided among ourselves. I’m very frustrated at the current conservative government that condones pro-Japanese acts during the colonial period. Why does Park Geun-hye remain silent about the Kyohaksa textbook issue?

일제개후손들: [responding to paula cho]

Let’s export the Kyohaksa textbook to Japan. It will hit the “jackpot”. That’s how we achieve the creative economy. [Note: Creative Economoy is President Park Geun-hye's slogan for her plan to revitalize the Korean economy.]

닭보지 빠는 보수일베충: [responding to paula cho]

Aren’t the government and the ruling Saenuri party insane when they advocate the pro-Japanese Kyohaksa textbook while being bristled at Abe’s remarks distorting history? Do they have two different heads? The pot calls the kettle black. The New York Times even criticized Abe and Park Geun-hye both for their behavior.

입만열면거짓말:

The Park Geun-hye administration has gone the extra mile to get the Kyohaksa textbook adopted. I think the government is two-faced.

프리즘:

The government has no excuses. Approving the Kyohaksa textbook gives Japan a pretext for Abe’s provocations.

깡백코:

I am ready to assassinate Abe if the government gives support to me. Please support me so that I can launch a terrorist attack on the Yasukuni Shrine.

redkoree:

When students in South Korea are taught to learn that the islets of Dokdo are in dispute from a textbook, can we ever win over Japan? What can we say when Japan shoves the Kyohaksa textbook at us?

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  • NSA

    Koreans making fuss over a sea name.
    Sea of Japan is international recognised name.
    Koreans always make trouble.
    I m chinese and i dont like the japs but i do support their view of Sea of japan, since in China we use ribenhai=japan Sea.

    Korea, call it the East sea if u like, East sea of China

    • Guest

      “Chinese making fuss over Japanese islands. Senkaku islands is an internally recognized name. Chinese always make troubles. I’m Korean and I don’t like Japs but I do support their view of Senkaku islands, since in Korea we use Senkaku islands also. China, call it Diaoyudao Islands if you like.” lol

      • Chucky3176

        In fairness to the Chinese, those are real territorial disputes. It’s not the same thing as arguing over a sea name. But in fairness to Korea though, Japan exactly hasn’t behaved maturely over this either. They have used every lobbying and mass campaign efforts to counter the Koreans, with Japan’s own versions of ‘Sea of Japan diplomacy’ overseas. So basically it’s not just Korea who’s acting like a child. It’s both of them.

        • Ted

          I know that South Korean government used ‘pressure’ in many European countries. Japan don’t need it as 99% of people around the world uses the name Sea of Japan.

          • NSA

            south korea is nothing without their crappy gangnam style and kpop. Hell those were lame too. At least japan’s rock music has SOME decency and is kinda popular in China. But in China the best music is still Chinese pop though some people like taiwan too(they are good)

          • nitrostat

            if thats the greatest comeback you can come up with… thats pretty sad my friend… lets stick to politics… not your secret closet passion for kpop

          • chucky3176

            Japan don’t need to do anything, but they’ve done a lot. This broo ha ha in Virgina where they threatened the governor of the state, one perfect example.

            Reminds me of how people used to falsely claim that most Japanese don’t care about Dokto/Takeshima issue. Those people are all missing now because, that too turned out to be a complete BS. Japanese do care, they care a lot.

          • redwhitedude

            That’s one misstep. They could have just sat and done nothing and let Koreans make themselves look like fools for dragging an issue that most americans could care less but they butt in and now the japanese look just as bad or worse.

      • Matid

        dispute over an island is a much bigger deal than a name, lol.

      • NSA

        Our territory dispute with Japan is a real dispute. However the takeshima(or u koreans call it dokdo) isnt a dispute because the islands legally belongs to Japan, but somehow the koreans took over. Now u koreans want the entire sea of Japan named after the east sea.

        If u koreans name it east sea of china, then we can have friendship. Remember that korean peninsula was a vassal state under china for many thousands of years and WILL be one soon, after japan got nuked by us.

        • nitrostat

          “our territory dispute with Japan is a real dispute”… I don’t know why but this comment cracked me up. I wonder if there are any fake disputes. The Chinese superiority complex is amazing with this one. love your propoganda, but sorry bro your dreams won’t come true…

          • redwhitedude

            Yeah what’s with that BS claim on the south china seas?

  • nbsuck

    I don’t care about the name of some stupid sea. All that tax spent on this should have been used to solve actual problems in Korea

  • RegisterToPost

    Kudos to the VA governor for not kowtowing to the Koreans. Children need to learn the internationally recognized name of the body of water. What’s next, are the Arabs going to push to rename the Persian Gulf the Arabian Gulf in VA schools?

  • milo

    Of all the childish bitching between these two countries, this issue is the most idiotic. Yo Korea: You want to call it the East Sea? Please continue to do so. No one cares, but don’t try and then force everyone else to do it too.
    You know what I call it when I’m in my house “The snickity little bitches sea” in honour of both Korea and Japan, becuase that’s what you guys act like.

    Do they realize that bodies of water around the world have multiple names depending on the country/language. Do they think the French get mad at the English becuase they call the water between them “The English Channel”? Do Austrlians give a shit that the Ocean on their west coast is the “Indian Ocean”?
    Christ almighty.
    There are genuine grievences that Korea has every right to voice and Japan must acknowledge, but this whole East Sea thing….absolute bullshit.
    And it’s only hurting Korea in the long run because any reasonable minded sane person from the international community is going to look at this and think “What the fuck is wrong with these people?”, and thus put future arguments where Korea does deserve some international backing into the “These guys are angry little nutters” pile.
    Please, do yourselves a favor and sit tthe fuck down.

    • Steve Bennet

      You are very ignorant and impaired about how the Koreans feel. Why don’t YOU sit the fuck down because idiots like you will never understand what the Koreans went through. Korea is a good country that is growing from Japan’s colonization periods in which Japanese raped and killed many people. Japanese wrongfully killed MILLIONS of people in the Nanking massacre (in China) and in many places in Korea. People from England didn’t go to France, colonize France and brutually kill many of its inhabitants like Japan did to Korea. Australia was being invaded by Japan but was saved by America. It’s not hurting Korea but it’s about PRIDE. Of course you on the other hand wouldn’t understand any of this shit so why don’t you fuck out of this matter.

      • milo

        Hahaha. Have you ever picked up a history book in your life?
        The British and French have been killing each other for over a millenium and have both had turns of invading and trying to colonize each other’s countries. Why exactly do you think the English langauge is so full of French words? It’s not just becuase we thought it was a nice lanuage.

        Indeed, Korea is a “good” country, a country I have a deep affinity for.
        But there is something you need to realize: get a globe and point to any country on it. You will find bad blood, massacres, genocides, colonization, imperialism on and on ad finitum.
        Did Korea, China and most of Asia suffer terribly at the hands of Japan? Yes, they did. Should Japan stop being dicks about it and take more responsbility? Without a doubt, yes.
        But you are not going to find national pride in the name of a sea. It’s not there. You have thousands of years of history, a rich culture. In modern history your mums and dads and grandparents chose to throw off a military dictaorship and through their own blood set up a democratic system. I’m not Korean, but Godamn that would make me very proud if I was.

        You have won the battle of pulling yourselves out of poverty. And yet are sidetracked in the naming of a small body of water.

        I could understand if everyone was forcing YOU to call it the Sea of Japan, but they aren’t.
        You can’t always force others to think they way you want them to. And by trying to get them to follow your “Way” you will just engender unintended negative reponses.

      • One for all

        er…you might want to catch up on English-French history.

        • redwhitedude

          Perhaps he is a japanese pretending to be american. I see this guy on youtube with his revisionist and distorted views.

      • Butsu

        This has nothing to do with the name “Sea of Japan” though. Its not a name born from Japans imperial past of war and colonization, it was used before that.

      • harvz

        You really don’t have a clue about the world outside of your little bubble

        • redwhitedude

          Just hop on over youtube and see what type of bubble he has been in. lol

  • chucky3176

    What poster “milo” said below. This should not even be an issue, but unfortunately most Koreans don’t see it that way.

    This is what I wrote in another forum, earlier this week.

    ———————————
    East Sea vs Sea of Japan – Jesus.. Who the Fuck Cares?

    OK, I’m not the one who excuses Japan’s shinanigans, but for this one, I just can’t get behind Korea in anyway. This is just too over the top. Who the fuck cares if others call it the “Sea of Japan”?

    I mean, doesn’t Korea have enough things on its plates regarding Japan, like Dokdo, Comfort women, Yasukuni, etc etc? Trying to force other countries to change the geographic names to comply to Korea’s standards is just simply wrong. It’s East Sea for Korea, but for who, is it in the east? This is only going to bring more resentment and anti-feelings towards Korea’s position, and it will be counterproductive to change the entire world’s view when the sea has been called the Sea of Japan for over 60 years. Please… just let it go.

    • Chucky3176

      As for the Kyohaksa textbook, it’s just government’s attempt to bring some balance into the history text books that was in charge by the left wing Teacher’s Union who consistently pushed overly nationalistic text books for over 20 years. Unlike in the West, in Korea, the left wing liberals are the more nationalistic ones, than the right wing conservatives.

      The island being in dispute is also accurate and reflect the ongoing facts of the current status between the two countries. Pretending it’s not happening is not an accurate picture.

      • Sillian

        Unlike in the West, in Korea, the left wing liberals are the more nationalistic ones, than the right wing conservatives.

        That’s why it’s awkward to call many Korean leftists ‘liberals’. The left still includes a diverse group of people and they may not always agree with each other even on fundamental values. What binds them together seems to be their approach to North Korea and their distrust towards a particular political party.

        • redwhitedude

          What’s funny is that it is more accurate to call leftist, communist.

    • Ted

      East Sea vs Sea of Japan – Jesus.. Who the Fuck Cares?

      You care as you would probably cut off your arm for ‘Sea of Korea’ instead of mere ‘East Sea’ good for chinilpas…

    • chris

      its surprising for me to say this but i agree with chucky!

    • Rutim

      VANK andboth Koreas governments? Those people below as well. It looked like Obama’s press briefing in Seoul rather than Virginia :D

      http://i58.tinypic.com/168h2kh.jpg

  • Steve Bennet

    The name of the sea as “Sea of Japan” is a huge reminder of the history and the horrendous crimes committed by Japan in the past with no sincere apologies. Korea is a good country that is growing from Japan’s colonization periods in which Japanese raped and killed many people. Japanese wrongfully killed MILLIONS of people in the Nanking massacre (in China) and in many places in Korea. American news channel CNN recently noted the news of a comfort woman victim in Korean has died. America teaches CORRECT history and news channel CNN has notified that Japan has committed horrendous crimes but has not apologized sincerely with the addition of the worshipping war criminals in Yakazuni Shrine. This is why Koreans don’t want to see “Sea of Japan” in the textbooks.

    • redwhitedude

      The article above also makes a point that the Sea of Japan name was a recent occurance unlike the east sea. Historically the East sea has a stronger claim than the sea of japan. People have been taught the more recent name which was imposed by Japan. Also it really isn’t Japan’s sea since it borders SK, NK, and Russia.

      • Chucky3176

        That’s not the point, doesn’t matter if Korea’s east sea has a stronger historic basis, which I doubt. We are talking about sea names, not some territory to be claimed. If other countries have called it Sea of Japan, Sea of whatever, then it’s their right to call it what they’re comfortable with. The East Sea doesn’t even make any sense if you’re not Korea. If you’re Japan or Russia who share this same sea, does this name make sense to you? The name East Sea was fairly recent name. I think you’re mistaking and confusing with the “Sea of Corea” name.

        • NSA

          I m china, that water in the east is mine, i call it east sea of china.

          At least Sea of Japan has a fkin name. East sea? east sea of what? Russia?

          • Brett

            You just repeated what chucky wrote.

          • nitrostat

            lol.. i wonder if he figured it out after he typed it..

        • redwhitedude

          Well Sea of Corea makes more sense. but that would mean replacing the Sea of japan with Sea of Corea. It has nationalist intent written all over it.

    • Guest

      Then don’t have it in your own damn textbooks, teach your delusions on your own. Can you honestly not see the ridiculousness of trying to re-name a sea to A DIRECTION? The “East Sea”? What next, is the Pacific Ocean now the “More Easterly Ocean” to Korea? It makes no sense at all to anybody.

      The only reason that sea exists at all is because of the presence of Japan, otherwise it would be a part of the Pacific, so logically, it should be named after Japan, to make no mention of the international acceptance of that name for more than 100 years, really into the 19th century as well.

      How about you quit your irrational hatred of all things Japan for one moment, and try to see where you are wrong. It’ll make things a lot easier for you in the long run, I promise.

    • NSA

      Why dont ur park government try to stop the brainwashing of koreans to hate japan and us china in the first place? Ur textbook says ‘chinese soldiers support north korea and will back them up and invade south korea’.

      • redwhitedude

        Since when was she trying to brainwash Koreans? It is the Chinese being brainwashed. I mean chinese think the Korean war was started by South Korea??

        • NSA

          It is. THe USA and South korean forces invaded the 38th parallel. The north koreans then pushed them back with the help of the chinese.
          You western people like to distort history like little japan.

          China never start war and will never invade.

          • redwhitedude

            Is this the state sponsored education you get in the mainland?

          • reality check!

            Seriously was that how it’s taught in the PRC?

            “It is. THe USA and South korean forces invaded the 38th parallel. The
            north koreans then pushed them back with the help of the chinese.”

            Did happen but that was well into the war and not the start.

            Can you supply us dates and etc from what you were taught? this is really interesting, I’m not kidding or looking to poke fun, just curious on what the time lines were.

            Also was it taught in the PRC that it was only the US? because it was a UN effort lead by the Americans.

          • nitrostat

            hahaha.. you should really re-learn your history. It was the russians that influenced the North and the chinese that rushed in as allies of the north.

  • redwhitedude

    Why do I get the feeling that the Japanese are going about this the wrong way again? Attempt to black mail. This is going to back fire on them again just like what they tried to do with the manga festival in France.

    • NSA

      but the whole world knows that korea is just acting like a baby and Japan is trying to protect its rights. Like the poster said earlier, without japan, the sea of japan would just be the pacific ocean.

      If the sea was called east sea of China, i bet the little koreans are even more fed up

      • nitrostat

        are they now ? “Historically, ancient maps marking East Sea far outnumbers those
        indicating Sea of Japan, and the letter deliberately hides the fact that
        Sea of Japan was proclaimed in the aftermath of Japan’s dominance of
        the Korean Peninsula.” read before you post… please… i think they might actually have some credibility regarding this issue

        • chris

          really now? there are maps from the 1850′s that even call the Sea of Japan – as Japan Sea – well before Japan’s colonisation of the Korean Peninsula.

          but okay, lets just start calling the Indian Ocean, Sri Lankan Ocean, and the Gulf of Mexico, East Sea of Cuba. how does that sound??

          • nitrostat

            might as well .. if those were the original names

          • Rutim

            I dare to ask – what was the original name of Earth so that finally we could name it how it should be?

          • nitrostat

            well if it wasn’t the sea of Japan before, but they decided to change it… what makes it wrong for Koreans to change it back?

          • redwhitedude

            What about maps before the 1850′s?

          • chris

            that is in response to nitrostat claiming the name was given after the Japanese colonisation of the Korean Peninsula.

            furthermore, if this issue were to prolong, why not call every sea and ocean what it was named prior to the standardisation of what the int. community were to call it? does that seem okay?

    • RothschildIsMoney

      What happened with manga festival in France?

      • redwhitedude

        The Japanese tried to put a display countering the Korean comics on the comfort women obviously it was denying that it was an atrocity and so forth. The french booted out the display. In the process they created some hoopla that drew attention to the festival and guess who “won” for getting the additional attention?

        • chucky3176

          Thousands of concerned Japanese women signed a petition for the French organizers to halt the Korean comfort women comic display saying they were liars and willing prostitutes. The Japanese government got involved and told the French to stop otherwise it could lead to bad relations with Japan. Then the Japanese organizers got involved and they came up with their own comfort women comics, and put up Nazi swastikas on their displays, saying Koreans are liars and acting like Nazi’s. The French booted the Japanese out, saying the Korean exhibit’s purpose was human and women’s rights but the Japanese displays were nothing but hate mongering political revisionism. The Japanese organizers got very angry, and tried to hold a press conference inside the exhibit. But they were still all booted out and kicked out on their asses. Have a look at this Japanese right wing temper tantrum.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzXiCIfOPqQ

          Humiliated, the Japanese crazed nationalists online went on the facebook terror, defacing the French embassy in Japan’s facebook page with rude messages. Then the Japanese government issued a statement of regret against France. I’m not sure why Japan thinks what the rest of the world accepts as history, is not true. They are totally living in a well as a frog.

  • YourSupremeCommander

    I love it when the lil japs throw a tamper tantrum like a 3 year old.

    • Guest

      As opposed to trying to rename a body of water that has an internationally accepted name to some direction, that is completely meaningless to most of the world?

      • redwhitedude

        Yet the Japanese cannot let go of that. Every time Koreans try to do something their sense of whether it is worth bothering or ignoring gets shot. They just barge into it and make Koreans look good. It just backfires on them.

        • noshitbutsmile

          Read my post above

          • redwhitedude

            Don’t need to. Everytime you post something it creates a stir and you get a beat down.

          • noshitbutsmile

            I willingly accept beatdowns to let ignorants know truthes……
            …….if he is worth unlike 2ch troll

          • redwhitedude

            Except you frequently don’t post the truth.

          • noshitbutsmile

            For you, truth is not truth maybe, that is why its called incovinient. and you are not worth to talk further, go fly a kite. lol.

          • nitrostat

            no im sorry.. you never posted the truth.. its called revisionist history.

  • HaydenG

    Japan and Korea are so immature. like 2 countries run by 5 year olds.

    • ChuckRamone

      Sadly, I agree. They bicker and argue like little kids.

      • redwhitedude

        And the US is their playground unfortunately.

    • redwhitedude

      Guess who got assigned nanny duties? USA.

  • HaydenG

    Pushing the name east sea just shows how self centered koreans are. They want the entire world to refer to locations based on compass directions as if korea is the center of the world. What does “East sea” mean to someone in california? its confusing. If they wanted to call it “Sea of Korea” ok thats fine. But east sea is just stupid

    • commander

      Is the name East Asia a result of equally self-centered European perception of the world?

      • Ted

        lol, nope. East Asia is brought from the fact that it IS located on the East side of Asian continent. Terms Far East or Middle East are Europe oriented.

    • nitrostat

      wait…. how is that self centered… they aren’t even claiming that the sea is theirs… but sea of “JAPAN” isn’t self centered enough for you? where the hell does your logic come from? amuse me… please…

      • HaydenG

        because sea of japan indicates a location in the world where the sea is located. “East Sea” assumes that everyone in the world calls things east of korea “the east” and things west of korea “the west” as if korea is the center of the world.

        • nitrostat

          your analogy fails you simply because you forget that Japan isn’t the only one on that shares that sea. notice the word “share” meaning they don’t have ownership of it. 2. there is no sea that is “east of Korea” hence your logic fails again.. its called the yellow sea , the east sea is EAST OF JAPAN and the west of Japan is called the Pacific ocean, which would make perfect sense as to why it was called the east sea … personally i don’t care what you call it but by your analogy.. since the philippines is an island, it should be named sea of the philippines due to its location in the world. i fail to see why they have to name the sea after their country, I mean when you look at the map, they literally aren’t the only ones there…

          • HaydenG

            You have confused East and West.. Maps generally have a compass on them to help you. But if you see on the map that the Philippines is below Japan that means the map is North up (almost all maps are)
            On North up maps, the east is to the right and the West is to the left. So the sea between Korea and Japan is East of Korea. And the sea East (not West) of Japan is the Pacific Ocean.
            If you are still confused which is East and West try doing a Google search for maps with compasses on them.

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          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Hahaha. That was priceless. I had to screenshot-grab it just in case he decides to change it later:

          • One for all

            who are all the dum dums that liked it @.@

          • nitrostat

            nice one matt .. always loved your cheap shots… its ok.. i really don’t care. don’t have to stoop down to your level and take snap shots of your posts now do i? anyways, ill admit that I was wrong regarding the location of the sea between Japan and Korea, but regarding the history of what the sea was called before and also if I had to use his analogy on another island like the Philippines it still wouldn’t make sense as to why it would be called the sea of japan.

          • Rutim

            How much is the cost of 8 upvotes from, I assume, people who can’t read (or maybe one person)?

          • nitrostat

            I didn’t know cost of votes mattered to you so much Rutim? was that your goal? i don’t really care but isn’t it pathetic to care about such little things like votes?

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Quoting someone’s exact words in their entirety is a cheap shot? lol.

            The sea wouldn’t exist if not for Japan. What part of that is hard to understand?

            Have you ever wondered why there are no other seas called the “West Sea” or the “East Sea”? The only directionally-named sea in English is the North Sea, and that is at least objectively north of the majority of the world’s countries.

            The Philippines’ analogous sea would be the South China Sea, but unlike Japan, the Philippines is not the only country that forms the maritime border of that sea––it shares it with Malaysia and Brunei, and therefore it’s not reasonable to name it after only the Philippines; whereas Japan on the other hand is the only country that forms its respective sea. Simple stuff.

    • RaphaeI

      Would you really be okay if it was called the Sea of Korea? Really?

      • HaydenG

        why not? as long as the sea touches some land there so people who arent in korea know where the heck it is.

      • NSA

        the sea belongs to china, just like how korea belongs to china

  • Gorgonzola

    I’m talking out of my arse here, but to me ‘Sea of Japan’ makes more sense, because it’s a body of water that Japan makes. If Japan were to disappear it’d be all Pacific Ocean.

    Nobody in Britain complains about the naming of the Irish Sea. Without Ireland it’d be all Atlantic, baby.

    • commander

      The problem arises when people having different names for a territorial feature want to talk about the same object. And a more serioua problem takes place when other countries start calling a derogatory name for things in dispute.

      Let’s take an example.

      If someone calls a bastard Gorgonzola publicly, and many strangers start to take and use it, do you remain silent without protesting or filing a lawsuit?
      I guess not.

      It has something to do with your honor.

      That’a how things go around the latest naming politics between South Korea and Japan.

      • bibimbap

        You are conflating various issues for some kind of sympathy vote for your opinion on the sea naming dispute. The only crucial things for deciding the matter are what is the established name for the sea and whether it was established by some unfair imperialistic sleight of hand.

        It was called the Sea of Japan, and most maps for the past two centuries show that name. Japanese imperialism has zilch to do with that.

        Koreans are lying or misguided when they claim otherwise. It was more often called Sea of Corea in the centuries prior, but shows up less often than the Sea of Japan in maps from the past two centuries. In fact, contrary to Korean claims, the name East Sea, used unambiguously for the body of water whose naming is at issue, is hard to find in Western maps.

        Please refer to the wiki page on this subject for sources.

        And, yeah, as a Korean I find the preoccupation of my fellow countrymen over an issue so clearly not in their favor frustrating and embarassing.

        • noshitbutsmile

          Cool. Nice to find a fair korean.

          • chucky3176

            Any Japanese here who feel frustrated and embarrassed by their country’s preoccupation with this issue to the point they would threaten Virginia with economic pullout? Certainly not from noshitbutsmile.

          • redwhitedude

            Again a japanese misstep. It went from Koreans forcing their own little agenda to Japan one upping that stupidity with actually threatening the state of Virginia. Japan seems to one up Korea when it comes to handling issues.

          • bibimbap

            While I do think the Japanese overreacted, I don’t think a subsequent wrong redeems the original one, or even lets the focus on it to be directed away. Koreans provided the casus belli in this case. Instead of always finding new excuses to hate or blame the Japanese we can end on a simple note of Japanese overreaction while also offer an admission we were wrong, in this case very pigheadedly.
            Or does tribal loyalty trump objective responsibility for all the parties involved?

            I am not a Christian but the following is most apt here.

            Matthew 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

          • redwhitedude

            Well it went from one side clearly doing something silly to the opposing camp doing something silly as well. So there is really no clear cut “winner”. Both sides need to be admonished for doing whatever they did. Had the Japanese exercised restrain then the Koreans would have looked they have gotten a pyrrhic victory. Which isn’t even a victory.

    • nitrostat

      i think the issue arose due to this problem right here where i will quote from the article above… “Historically, ancient maps marking East Sea far outnumbers those
      indicating Sea of Japan, and the letter deliberately hides the fact that
      Sea of Japan was proclaimed in the aftermath of Japan’s dominance of
      the Korean Peninsula.”
      now with that said.. i can see why there is some confusion between these two countries..

      • NSA

        SO?
        Would u call Spain ‘west roman empire’ today?
        Would you call Brazil part of the spanish empire?

        Just because it was called it historically doesnt mean it should be called today. Otherwise we can call half of europe ‘germany’

        • nitrostat

          learn to read.. it was known as sea of japan only after they dominated Korea… and since their reign ended it should go back to what it was being called before…

          • NSA

            let me guess,u learnt that from the korean textbooks?
            EVEN OUR CHINESE TEXTBOOKS AGREE THAT IT IS SEA OF LITTLE JAPAN.

            Learn ur place in this world, little korea

          • nitrostat

            no… its called google… I’m American so stop your assumptions. its called east sea / sea of japan. I don’t care what your chinese text books says anyways

          • redwhitedude

            Chinese textbooks also have their own little interpretation of history.

    • RaphaeI

      Well that’s just silly. If Korea were to disappear, if would be called the East China Sea

      • linette lee

        How about just call it the East China Sea.

        • jon776

          How about we call it American sea.

        • redwhitedude

          I think there is a sea that is called that. How about the “Sea that cannot be named”. lol

          • MP5

            I prefer East Sea.

          • redwhitedude

            East Korea Sea would be better as people have said.

          • seoulite

            Better for whom, the whole world, or one pissy, nationalist state with a chip on its shoulder?

          • redwhitedude

            I think you overlooked that Japan is acting just like that with their antics of threatening to pull japanese investments over this. Perhaps the Japanese are acting pissier.

    • harvz

      Nationalism. It filters out any logical arguments

  • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

    “Dear Japan,Korea, and whomever it may concern,

    We’ll call it what we want. If you don’t like it, don’t look at out maps.

    Sincerely, Virginia”

    • redwhitedude

      There is a problem, there are significant Korean american population that seems to give a dam about this. So all the Virginia legislature is doing is acting on that constituency’s interests. Tell the Korean American not to raise hell over an issue that you don’t give dam.

    • markus peg

      The official name of that area is “sushi farm” or “whaling for scientific research area”

      ps:

      • Mighty曹

        LOL@ ‘Housekeeping’.

        • redwhitedude

          Ouch! @Sex slaves. I hope Markus has not plans of swinging by there.
          LoL @latin america

          • Mighty曹

            Why not? He may end up as one? lol

      • linette lee

        That whole area is just “Commies” That’s all you need to know. lol. hahaha.

      • David

        LOL

  • One for all

    From now on, I shall only refer to the country popularly called Japan as “East Dokdo”

    • redwhitedude

      “East Chernobyl” after Fukushima.

      • noshitbutsmile

        Kid , now I became so sure you are like 13 year old kid in 2ch.
        No different from those SofB who broght banner strung up across
        Succer Studium saying ” Japan Congratulation!! for Tunami Attack!”

        • redwhitedude

          The handling of the mess in Fukushima makes me wonder who is the 13 year old.

  • Anthony M Ludovici

    This is the sad reality of multiracial states coupled with democracy. Dysfunctional combination if ever there was one.

    • redwhitedude

      now now. Don’t blame multiracial state over this. It is the problem being overly nationalistic minorities.You don’t see Mexicans trying to rename all of South west USA.

  • CowStunned

    What’s the point? Most maps use both anyways.

    Google, National Geographic, The World Atlas, and countless other maps I’ve encountered use both names.

    • redwhitedude

      Silly little agenda of Koreans. Then the Japanese overreact which causes more hoopla than necessary.

  • bigmamat

    Would Japanese “investors” really pull out of Virginia? Can the Japanese government force them to pull a billion dollars worth of investments out of Virginia? Here’s one thing I know about Virginia’s current governor. He’s a long time political operative and sharp money man. He’s no Virginia hick or some redneck retard that would ruin his political career over a free Rolex. He has enough experience and acumen to deal with people like the Japanese and the Koreans. Political posturing is this guys bread and butter he used to head the DNC. He deals with this kind of stupid shit everyday. He deals with Republicans.

    • chucky3176

      He’s pandering to Korean American voters. I’m just a little annoyed at them right now for pursuing this, it makes all Korean Americans look bad. They should be working towards the good of their community where they live, not act like foreign aliens. This naming of the sea has no place in the US. It’s a total waste of Virginia’s tax payer’s money, debating this issue. The Comfort women statue in California, I can understand, when they’re trying to raise awareness of the injustice. But naming of a sea? That’s gone way too far. I’m afraid that this will only lead to backlash against Koreans, and lead to dismissing any legitimate claims that Koreans do have, as just crazy demands from crazy loons. Of all people, Korean Americans should know better about how the dynamics of American logic work. I can understand Korean and Japanese who don’t have a clue about America, act like this, but Korean Americans who should know better, pushing for this issue are just damn dumb, and it works against the interest of Koreans. I can’t believe they don’t realize this.

      • bigmamat

        People get tunnel vision. They can only see what’s right in front of them. First of all, and don’t get me wrong when I say this, it isn’t a racial thing but a background and cultural thing. How much different do you really expect Korean Americans to behave from regular Koreans? Didn’t “the Koreans” just act like a bunch of assholes over seats in a McDonald’s? You are aware how many actual Koreans are here every year just to go to school, right? They all go back to Korea eventually. Some of them will learn a lot about living in the U.S. others not as much. I actually saw some Korean American chick (West Coast Korean American) win a poetry contest with a rant about white kids speaking Korean because they were into Kpop. She was giving them hell for butchering the language of her heritage. People in the audience were actually cheering. It was surreal. She’s accusing American kids of appropriating “her” cultural heritage and bastardizing it, and stupid ass Americans that don’t know jack shit about Korea are in the audience cheering. I thought I was in the Twilight Zone. So yeah, it doesn’t surprise me that Korean Americans would get into a fight like this.

        It also isn’t surprising that the Japanese Ambassador would try to bully the governor into siding with the Japanese. You know if people don’t want others to develop stereotypes about their behaviors then maybe they should deviate from them now and then. I’m sure it will get sorted out somehow. I’m sure Terry McAuliffe will get out his handy political calculator and figure out which way to go. He may even try to wait it out or play statesman and try to reach some compromise. One way or the other I’m sure there won’t be much impact to actual Virginians. The Japanese and Koreans have already used up all of their credibility on the issue. They’ve most certainly played to type.

        • chucky3176

          “Didn’t “the Koreans” just act like a bunch of assholes over seats in a McDonald’s?”

          I’m talking about the much younger Korean American leadership who should know the dynamics of living in America for having to deal with the political leaderships in America, and not the 70+ year olds who never adjusted to living in America, who don’t know better, other than hanging out in McDonald’s all day with their $1 coffees.

          “She was giving them hell for butchering the language of her heritage.”

          Come on, that’s just one isolated case. Most Koreans will show surprise and appreciation/fascination when you try to speak Korean to them. Even if you mangle them up, they’ll think it’s amusing and cute, instead of getting angry over it.

          • bigmamat

            The old people weren’t the problem. The problem was “Korean community leaders” calling for the boycott. You don’t think they were all old people do you? It’s not isolated. You don’t think Korean parents don’t pass their grievances down to their children? Everyone else does why should they be different? You think people are born with their own ideas? Religion wasn’t my idea, was it yours? People believe in that shit don’t they, despite all the problems “belief” carries with it? Obviously someone Korean got this going so I guess it proves that Korean Americans, even younger ones are still letting the older generation set the tone for their politics. I know you’re surprised but I’m not.

          • chucky3176

            I’ve never seen any Korean dressing down a non-Korean for not being able to speak “proper” Korean. So I seriously disagree with you there. There are different responses you may get when you speak Korean with a foreign accent. They may ignore you, they may giggle and laugh, or they may praise you for “speaking Korean so well”. But angry response? No fucking way, because never seen it in my life. Although, I do think there’s one chance why she could have been annoyed. The speaker was speaking Korean in a intentionally condescending way that others didn’t pick up. Did that speaker deliberately speak in the “oriental” accent? Was he making fun of Korean language, not in an obvious way maybe, but in subtle ways? I don’t believe you because most Koreans do not expect non-Korean foreigners to speak Korean. They expect you to speak English, not Korean.

          • bigmamat

            No it was just a general rant about appropriating someone else’s language and heritage. If I find the video again I’ll link it for you. You are so off topic now. All I said originally is that the VA governor will deal with this issue. He’s certainly well versed in domestic affairs. He also has people he can consult about foreign issues if he isn’t up to speed. Then you chimed in with he’s pandering to Koreans. So now I’ve addressed what you think about the issue which is another effort to drive it all back toward the Koreans. Ok fine. Want to know what I really think….

            The Koreans need to stop with the butt hurt bullshit “han” crap. Don’t even try to drag other Americans into that fucking pathology. I don’t know how continuing to do things like this helps them at all. I think a lot of other Americans will be quick to remind Korean Americans that they live here now so they may want to have a care for Virginia and American interests as well. So the new governor of VA first thing has to deal with some bullshit international incident that most Americans will look at and say “what the fuck”? Thanks a lot beltway Koreans for not giving a shit about anything but your own narrow interests, like your tiny dick measuring contest with Japan.

            Next the Japanese need to get a grip. Nobody believes they’d do anything so stupid as to pressure investors to leave the state. That’s a pretty fucking hollow threat. They can’t leave a state like VA and not cause a stir in D.C. the two are geographically and politically tied. Don’t even try to fuck around. Go ahead make threats Americans love being threatened by the fucking Japanese. Get the president involved again with your bullshit revisionist history collective Japanese mind fuck. Just remember don’t push us to far you’ve got more important things you’d like to do that depend on our goodwill.

            Now Virginia Republicans, you are all a pack of idiot inbred peckerwoods. So you are so partisan that you’d back a Democratic governor, an AMERICAN governor into a corner against the fucking Japanese? Take off your goddamned flag pin and shove it up your ass! You racist self serving no good fucks. Korean Americans and the Japanese just got used by a bunch of rich old white rednecks to punk their political opponent. Everybody looks like assholes to me, the Koreans, the Japanese and the Republicans.

          • seoulite

            Her you go. She’s doing it publicly, and best of all, is telling English speakers that they corrupt her language via K-pop. Irony, eh?

            http://beyondhallyu.com/k-pop/bh-discuss/

          • chucky3176

            oh wow, so you guys are so offended by what one girl wrote which by the way is her own opinion about being annoyed with fetishization of Korean culture by some Koreaphiles? That’s her own opinion. How many times have I heard from white people how they are offended because Koreans butcher the English language with Konglish speaking or Konglish signs? But does that bother me making me bitter to form opinions that majority of Anglophone white people don’t want me to speak English?

            Ludicrous.

        • seoulite
          • bigmamat

            Thanks you might have noticed I commented on that one too.

      • redwhitedude

        Just like those looney fanatical unions in Korea. They seriously lack tact.

      • redwhitedude

        Well the best that can be done is that it not be associated as being done via South Korea government but by private Korean American initiative without South Korean government assistance. But once again really iffy conduct of Koreans is saved by Japanese overreaction.

      • redwhitedude

        Well it may make Koreans look bad but the Japanese reacting is going lessen the negative impressions that Koreans are going to be leaving. As long as Japanese keep reacting like this to every Korean initiate it won’t be as bad especially if its issues like comfort women and so forth.

  • Jang

    Thank you Korean Netizens for showing us that you don’t give a hoot about the Virginian students in America who could care less about you and you gov’ts propaganda complete B.S.!!!

    • redwhitedude

      Don’t forget the Japanese as well. lol

  • chucky3176

    The East Sea has been called by Koreans for a long time, and it’s in the heart of Korea. Even the Korean national anthem, “Aegukka”, starts with the lyric,

    “Until Mount Baekdu is worn away and the East Sea’s waters run dry, God will protect our country!”

    Korea’s beef with Sea of Japan naming is due to the fact that the sea was actually called the “Sea of Corea”, which first appeared in French maps in the 16th century. The only time when it widely started being adopted in the west as Sea of Japan was during the colonial times when Western interests on Asia only focused on Japan and China. So Koreans see this as a broader issue of dealing with remaining traces of Japanese colonialism on Korea. So there’s your reason why Koreans think like how they do.

    But how can you possibly try to force other countries to call it the East Sea when it has been known for so long as Sea of Japan? And how does changing the name of the sea, change anything other then for self national pride? And what about South China Sea? Shouldn’t someone change that as well? What about the countries like the Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, how do they feel about the name “South China Sea”? I don’t think anybody gives a two hoots about a name of sea.

    • redwhitedude

      Sea of Japan isn’t that descriptive and also the name was fairly recent as you pointed out. Here is some suggestions for names East Korea Sea.

      East Manchuria Sea. East Russia Sea. West Japan Sea.

    • Rutim

      > The East Sea has been called by Koreans for a long time, and it’s in the heart of Korea.

      Are you sure? This Korean book from 1907 doesn’t support your opinion :D

      http://i61.tinypic.com/fy25jd.jpg

  • jon776

    Look Koreans, the west decides what things should be called, not you.

  • noshitbutsmile

    There are many east seas then once translated into english.
    Chinese conventionally calls Eastern China Sea East Sea(Tung Hai)
    Vietnam conventionally calls South China Sea East Sea(Biển Đông
    German, Denmark,NOrway,Sweden, Finland, Netherland call the Baltic sea East Sea(Oostzee Ostsee
    Japan long time ago used to call Pacific Ocean East Sea

  • Mighty曹

    Hypocrisy at its best:
    “Students should only learn truths, and politicians should not disrupt their learning.” Clearly, the issues of Comfort Women and Rape of Nanking are not on the list of truths.

    Btw, I think it should be called the Sea of Japan.

    • noshitbutsmile

      Yes ur right. Students should only learn truths, not fabricated one-sided horror stories.

      • chucky3176

        You again. I see that another NHK executive just came out with another controversy statement saying the whole Nanjing Massacre was a hoax. This, right after the head of NHK saying the Comfort women were hoax. Now another one, from an executive of a TV station that is supposedly be neutral with no bias political leanings. But we all know that’s not true, since NHK is a now a Japanese government appointed propaganda channel under PM Abe. Another storm brewing in the horizon. Why do you guys keep on doing this to yourselves? Just admitting that Japan did wrong and moving on, is so hard to do?

        • Rutim

          > This, right after the head of NHK saying the Comfort women were hoax.

          Because it’s what it is. Koreans (well educated sciencist, social elite!) called them prostitutes. The term ‘comfort women’ in nowadays meaning meant ‘prostitute’ before 1990. It’s a product of those who thought they can milk some cash from this idea with anti-Japanese propaganda in Koreas and China. Below I linked excerpts from abstracts of South Korean publication from 1975 (up) and 2010 (below). I think got epic win in this case :)

          http://i59.tinypic.com/2jv5fc.png

          • have a nice day!

            Really? so I guess the Malay’s, Dutch, Filipinos and Indonesians are also liars…

            It is truly dumbfounding how everyone else has it wrong and you got it right, isn’t it???

            Keep it up the denials Rutim and Japan! you only are further discrediting yourselves to the rest of the world!

          • Rutim

            > Keep it up the denials Rutim and Japan!

            What’s above isn’t a product of Japanese but reality of South Korea. I know it hurts to learn how they were viewed at the time in not distant past after the war…

          • nitrostat

            you still haven’t answered his question regarding the Malay’s, Dutch, Filipinos, and Indonesians… I guess they are also products of their own countries? so easy to just place the blame with no facts.. its unfathomable how far this delusional brainwashing and revisionist histories goes.

            Picking and choosing parts of the argument does not make you correct

          • Rutim

            Relax, recent ‘NHK speech’ overshadowed another breakdown and temporary shutting off next nuclear reactor in South Korea ;) It’s positive thing for South Korea to talk them rather than accidents happening in South Korean nuclear power plants every month.

          • nitrostat

            straying off topic are we now?

          • Rutim

            I’m as good as Korean medias at this?

          • Nitrostat

            Still straying bro..

          • Rutim

            So what? Sea of Japan is still on the east coast of Honshu?

          • redwhitedude

            LOL. Now you can’t read a map properly. You can call it Sea of Japan and you still wouldn’t be able to locate it.

          • reality check!

            Doubt it… you probably signed up a posted that… LOL

            No seriously, you can misdirect and avoid the truth as much as you like… In fact I sincerely hope you keep it up!

            Get angry and start posting all night long! LOL

            You do the Korean’s a great service by showing the rest of readers on the internet, how ignorant you and your ilk are.

            If you Japanese took pride in acknowledging your mistakes and made efforts to not detract from past apologies… like the Germans… then no one could say shit about Japan and Japan would have the worlds support…

            BTW…
            http://www.japantoday.com/category/politics/view/virginia-vote-on-sea-of-japan-hands-victory-to-south-koreans

          • noshitbutsmile

            Well so far I have seen it is koreans and korean-americans who got more exposed to akind of their incovinient truths.
            OK I should not creat a stir any further so wouldnt argue here. btw At least you and some other korean frequent posters here are besides yourselves with joy when Japanese, digging their own graves, look stupid in international public. Naturally born to hate.
            Pity…… but well noted, dude.

          • reality check!

            Naturally born hate… fundamental flaw in your post… Hate is not an inherent trait that one is born with… it’s taught or learned…

            Ask me if I hate Japanese people and I will answer, no I do not hate Japanese people… Then ask me why I am so slanted in my posts… I would answer with… I despise your current government, it’s incestuous support for the right wing and it’s attempts to revise history.

            You natural response to the above, I would assume is “Bullshit”… but on the contrary it is not… My best friends growing up were Japanese. I have close family in Japan with mixed blood (2 1/2 brother to be exact), my step father is Japanese.

            We all get a long great and have good discussions over this.

            As to your comment about me possibly being beside myself… Yes I am, only to see ass hat right wingers get all frustrated and butt hurt.

            Now regarding your comment on inconvenient truths…I disagree about Korean’s being exposed… read some news and you’ll see that in reality, Japan (when I say Japan it’s in reference to the Abe administration) is one being exposed… with a lot more to explain than Korea does… you do not see high profile officials making comments then having to use the classic “you misunderstood/mis-interpreted my comments” line or even apologize… like those in Japan…

            You need to take of the Sakura colored glasses and join reality… your stupidity is embarrassing…

          • Rutim

            Or paid like VANK or chibots ;)

          • noshitbutsmile

            A lying hypocrat: No need for your Darwinism lesson if you know what I mean, Naturally born to be taught to hate, shall I rewrite such way? And I doubt when you say you donot hate Japanese people. Otherwise you would not have replied in such hostile way to my very first post to KoreanBang in previous forum.
            Well, if you know Japan well, you probably know how big disputes going on within the country about anything of which you guys accuse us. How badly Abe and right wingers are being bashed too by Japanese.
            I dont see the same extent of self-washing in Korea.
            Pro-japanese opinons are badly killed under socalled Anti-Japanese innocence. Needless to say about China.

          • reality check!

            You don’t see it in Korea because maybe you haven’t been (I don’t know or care about your travels) and can you say you engaged a Korean about this? I highly doubt it.

            Also what is “Pro-japanese opinons are badly killed under socalled Anti-Japanese innocence.” suppose to mean? Are you trying to say that anyone who supports Japan is being silenced by anti-Japanese elements? Same can be said about what happens in Japan… where are the pro Korea sentiments?

            Yes, I do know it’s a “big” dispute over in Japan. I have been and have engaged in conversations. Some very very level headed people who are open to hearing others out and debating the issues. Some on the other end that have their head in the sand with blind support for Abe and ilk. Hence my point to make it clear when I speak of my dislike it’s for the right wing and the current Japanese government.

            Also don’t address me as “Pal”, that I am not your “Pal” and have no desire to be your “Pal”. You can have all the doubts in world for all I can on wither or not I like Japanese people and I am going to make no effort here to justify my comments. My co-workers, friends and family can judge for themselves and based on the repeat invites and counter visit, I am doing fine on that end.

            As to your point on re-write your comments all you like… your attempt to communicate a flawed message remains the same… flawed…

          • noshitbutsmile

            I am in my reflection hut now over my mistakes about Kamikaze. In the mean time, one thing I tell you, I thought I should delete the word Pal in my previous post. believe it or not, That exactly came up in mind before posting, that it is just frivolous to start it with “Pal” because a liar like you can never be. Somehow I left the desk without doing so. What a slip. So Here you go, I edit it.

          • reality check!

            Reflect? what is there to “reflect” upon. An error is an error, reflect on what? the need for you to better learn history? that would a very very very good start.

            BULL SHIT! You flag my comment where I initially tell you not call me pal. Then post this? LMFAO

            You, are too easy to troll and no more fun.

          • noshitbutsmile

            What TF are you saying? I have no clue. Are you Nu*s?

            Oh yes

            I read through this specific thread again :Sea name article. Yes you were right that we didnt have any back-forth conversaton. You just BS me and Rutimn. That is it. Not a sigle word related to this specific issue.

            Repeating your usual BS abusing terms, lie, misguide, misinform, deny, frawed, distort, revise, etc…. and you didnot even have a chip of knowledge about the issue obviously.

            So what are you doing everyday? Are you trying to educate yourself by continuously attending the forum? as an educated person with high IQ?

            Dont you dare to make me laugh. At least me or Rutimn trying to show what is most likely true story or actual evidence with or withut links/photo/video. And you never ever try to look at those to come to at-least-unrevisable truth as normally educated person can do.

            Just Spitting many of those dirty slangs does not make you look cool old pap Behave. lol lol lol

            What does LMFAO mean anyway kkkk?
            What does Rickrollup mean?
            What does Flag mean? I didnt touch anything except posting?
            I am Japanese-Japanese your sense of humor or
            sense of humiliation donot work as you expect
            Dont you get it? Yours are so damn-empty-BS brains.

            Good night. I have to check Olympic lol lol lol

          • reality check!

            Hey ass hat, you are needed on China Smack! Japan is getting shit talked about the Rape of Nanjing!

            Why don’t you go and share some of your truths there!

            LMAO

            Feel free to flag this one too! LOL

          • noshitbutsmile

            Well I guess Chucky and Bibimbap finished dispute for now, so I post this
            to you.

            I have just released myself from my half-day reflection hut and found out one more post from you (the 2nd to the last one with R2D2 videoclip), which seems been awaiting moderation of your full of dirty wordings.

            Before replying to anyothers, I shall ask you WTH WAS IT?

            Where in this forum and in the last one where I started posting, did I post untruth? I am talking about the core topics, ie, comfort women,Nanking Battle, U731, Sea Name hoopla, Japanese apology history listings,
            Where TF did I tell you a lie?

            I thought I should be behaving myself until being treated in despising or hostile manner by such AHs like you guys.

            Just come back to prove it. OK? True or untrue, What I think you and How I think
            about the core topics are irrelavant, which is not the issue of true or untrue. I believe I didnot go beyond what I know as I believe as true things.

            Dont make any execuse that you would not make any efforts to look for any.

            You are definetly to tell me. Otherwise, as I had described, the guys like you are nothing but BIG LIARS and YES NATURALLY BORN TO JUST HATE us.
            Your nothning but t#rd. Came to Japan and met very very level headed people? SO FU***G WHAT?

          • reality check!

            LOL I rick rolled your ass. look it up!

            Now that make 2 successful rick rolls I have done to strangers.

            You are such a little wuss, grow the fuck up…LOL! ooops I used dirty words again! like everyone else on this… like your FU***G WHAT comment… because you asterix’s to mask your words do not make then “not” dirty. MODERATOR! MODERATOR! HE USED BAD WORDS! DELETE HIS COMMENTS!!! pathetic… truly a combo shaking my head and face palm moment… lol…

            Core truths? in this specific sub thread you did not talk about “comfort women,Nanking Battle, U731, Sea Name hoopla, Japanese apology history listings”… All the post I responded to you on were when you posted gibberish and tried to steer things off topic, with post of a dog, fat girl and utter BS. Let me make this clear… you and I did not post back and forth on any of your “core” topics… selective memory, cherry picking… typical…

            You had one sub thread with Chucky about the naming only. So now it’s prove you are liar and a petty little suck to have flagged my direct response. I guess I struck a nerve… LOL

            So what I use a few cuss/dirty words. The bast majority of the
            post were pointed responses to all of your comments. Grow the fuck up
            child! I said much harsher things earlier, so you better get busy and
            start flagging! LOL

            As far as I am concerned, mission accomplished! but I cannot take pride in vexing you because it was too easy. Just face it you got trolled by someone with a much higher IQ than you. ^__^

            OH! maybe I have offended you with… oh yes… you call
            me Pal, I told you not to call me that because I would not be a Pal
            with a looser like you. Suck it up! you little effeminate, sensitive
            lady boy.

            I stated that I don’t care if you think I hate
            Japanese. I who are you for me to prove anything too. I also stated that its your Government and
            the right wing (which obvious includes you).

            Your “born to hate” amended to “born to learn hate” assumption IS flawed. If only you had the brain power to process it… If you cannot handle direct responses or put up with the truth then life
            is going to be a bit of rough ride. You little cunt faggot. OH NO!!! MORE DIRTY WORDS!!! GO TELL YOUR OBAACHAN OR OKASAN!! LMFAO!

            Moderate
            why would you remove my post? what in it was offensive? the rick roll
            video? I thought it was a touch of humor in response to this little girls drivel. If you think this is too harsh then feel free to remove
            this post as well. I have no feelings or cares if you do.

          • ChuckRamone

            It’s in quotes every time to signify that’s the common term. You didn’t prove anything.

          • Rutim

            > It’s in quotes every time to signify that’s the common term.

            I know it hurts but this thing is real. What was a ‘prostitute’ with an image of them coming from US Army report or later Korean War times and on after it’s end, changed magically into ‘martyrs’ of Japanese ‘Empire of Evil’ after 1990 in the eyes of South Korean, I should say, elites. Same word but with completely opposite connotation and meaning. And it looks like the shift happened in 1990′s.

            Maybe you should ask old people who lived through that harsh times of WWII, Korean War and really poor living conditions for years. But by no means don’t beat them like the guy who almost killed some old jeezer who dared to say that Japanese weren’t that bad like it happened last year ;)

          • chucky3176

            Both Prime ministers of Japan, Kono and Muryama acknowledged Japan’s comfort women system. They signed their apologies. You may try to look them up. That means Japan admitted their comfort women system.

          • Rutim

            And who says they don’t admit it? Some Japanese just oppose calling it ‘forced’.

    • redwhitedude

      Geographically correct West Sea of Japan.

      • Mighty曹

        I prefer Central Sea of Japan.

        • redwhitedude

          Northwest sea of Japan.
          East Korea sea.
          Russia-Korea-Japan Sea
          Take your pick.
          Not much of a central sea for Japan.

          • Mighty曹

            If an entire ocean can be Indian we can this the ‘Japanese Sea’. This will really piss off some people.

          • redwhitedude

            The ocean wasn’t named for india as a country but as a continent.

          • Mighty曹

            Doesn’t matter. It’s still Indian Ocean.

          • redwhitedude

            Japan is a political term not a geographic term.

          • Mighty曹

            Which brings us back to all this hoopla (naming of sea).

          • redwhitedude

            Just pick a geographic feature nearby and name it after that.

          • Mighty曹

            Good. Sea of Russia.

          • redwhitedude

            Russia is too big Sea of Russia could be anywhere. Vladivostok sea?

          • Mighty曹

            Funny, originally I was going to name it the ‘Sea of Vladivostok’ but felt that a bigger region would be more significant. So, “Sea of Russia” it is.

        • chucky3176

          I prefer to call it “Sea of Pissed Off Japanese”.

          That’s more accurate.

          • Rutim

            Hwabyung Sea fits the best.

          • reality check!

            naw… Chucky’s suggestion is better.

          • Mighty曹

            Sea of Golden Shower isn’t too far fetched.

  • YourSupremeCommander

    Just call it the East China Sea, cause soon those two lil countries will be part of China.

    • redwhitedude

      Not if the US objects with both countries having strong military.

  • redwhitedude

    The Japanese are being even dumber than I thought. If they actually carried out the threat to cut investments in virginia it means that it will lessen their influence in virginia. So if another issue pertaining to Korea-Japanese issue pops up next time most likely it will be decided in Korea’s favor. Oh and if people are bitching as to why Virginia is being dragged into this? Just tell Koreans to move out of virginia all the government of virginia is doing is acting on the constituency’s interests.

    For that matter I wonder what would happen if there are issues of Japan-China popping up? There are states with significant Chinese-Americans wouldn’t that also mean that those states would get dragged into such issues as well?

  • http://yoursexycousinrex.tumblr.com/ Your Sexy Cousin Rex

    The last Virginian whose opinions mattered was Thomas Jefferson.

    • Mighty曹

      Hahaha… One of the best comments!

    • bigmamat

      You might be right.

  • noshitbutsmile

    For those blind haters whatsoever the truths are

    QUOTE”Historically, ancient maps marking East Sea far outnumbers those indicating Sea of Japan, and the letter deliberately hides the fact that Sea of Japan was proclaimed in the aftermath of Japan’s dominance of the Korean Peninsula.”UNQUOTE——–Not True.

    Both Japan and Korean Govt done researches on ancient Maps made before 1900, before annexation of the peninsula. Korea’s outcome are based only on its researches which are less then 1/4 of total maps Japan researched.
    Researches were done cheking each National Archives of England Germany, France, USA, Russia and so on、excluding their own country’s archives.

    Periods of ancint maps 16century and prior to through 19century.

    Total Number of Maps Reserched Japan 3530 Korea 762

    Total Number of Maps which states Sea of Japan or Japan Sea
    by Japan research 1959 . by Korean research 122

    Total Number of Maps which states East Sea, Sea of Korea, Oriental Sea
    by Japan 620 by Korea 440

    Total Number of Maps which states China Sea, Other names, Unidentified
    by Japan 951 by Korea 200

    It is just the issue of Map, but unless Japan stop their lies, those prevail forever to become unrevisable story

    • noshitbutsmile

      To my best efforts trying to see what things going on, Japanese Govt has been actually too passive. Trying not to cause troubles. It is Japanese genuine citizen who stood up and pressed the govt to fight against these worldwide anti-Japan humiliation campaignes. You can keep laughing at us, genuine Japanese-americans, Japanese greencards, Japanese kids beng abused, being spit on, being whatever disdained in Korean-ruling states in US.

      Dont ask why Japan decided to bother to fly over to France Angoulême Comic Fest. This stupid french promotors had no clue on which one is highly political, which one is just messing international events with their own fanatical national pride.

      • chucky3176

        Raving mad Japanese nationalists butt hurt that their anime with Nazi swastika hating on Koreans got shut down in France, hurting their fanatical pride, while Comfort Women anime got approved.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WojJetsoq4o

        tsk tsk. Japanese should accept the painful truth that the rest of the world doesn’t accept or believe your false history of bull shit lies that you’re trying to force onto the world. What country supports Japan’s laughable history? Nobody.

        I’m sorry but that’s the truth. Japan can scream and cry and whine all they want.

        • Rutim

          Why are you linking the material which you don’t understand and is completly opposite to your views?

          • chucky3176

            What’s not to understand? Japanese nationalists were claiming the Koreans are threatening the manga festival with fake comfort women story. Japanese were claiming that the French will stop the Korean exhibit. The video proudly declares strength of Japan Lobby. And it links to the Japanese embassy in France. This was five days a go, before the French kicked out the Japanese (not Koreans) instead – a total humiliation for Japan. Ouch.

          • Rutim

            lol, you really, really don’t understand what’s in that video aside from links to Japanese Embassy in Frence, aren’t you?

            Relax, no one will read that Korean comic anyway ;)

          • chucky3176

            Is that all you can do when you’re embarassed?

          • redwhitedude

            Actually the hoopla that the Japanese generated will get more people curious and interested as to what comic created the incident than had this incident not happened. So for Koreans can thank the japanese in their idiotic manner of responding to the Korean comic.

          • Rutim

            chucky, aren’t you getting drunk today as Chinese ruler accepted South Korea in his ‘friends’ group for the first time since 120 years?

            It’s surely time to celebrate reunion after such a long time!

          • nitrostat

            straying off topic again? go figure…

        • Guest

          you and Korea need to take some time away from virtual realities. have some coffe and some rest.
          no need to keep barking dude.

        • noshitbutsmile

          You and Korea need to take some rest away from virtual realities. No need to bark loudly like a mad dog, dude.

          • nitrostat

            nice comeback.. a nice picture of a dog sitting in front of a computer really shows how you’re staying on topic. straying off topic is something you do well especially when you have nothing else to say.

    • chucky3176

      So in other words, let’s get this straight people. As this poster has just admitted, Japan cares so much about this body of water that they did an even more exhaustive study of this name thing then the Koreans themselves. This, and the insulting threats made to the governor of Virginia and the people of Virginia, by the country of Japan, shows that Japan is completely obsessive over a stupid name of a sea, and it’s not true at all that Japan is cool and calm in handling this situation – as they claim.

      So why is everyone’s on Korea’s back only, when Japan is even more obsessive with this stupid topic than Korea?

      • noshitbutsmile

        The argument was, matter of course, initiated by Koreans around 1992 and been dragged all the way up to now and finally exported to some other country by them? By a reverse viewpoint, would you do nothing leaving them to change the name of internatoinally recognized sea name? Who says which is more obssesive? Yes Japanese breaucrats must have done good jobs gathering 3500 maps smart, cool, calm to deal with this issue and Takeshima and Senkaku all together. Tell your friends in Virginia to forget it. lol

        • chucky3176

          “would you do nothing leaving them to change the name of internatoinally recognized sea name?”

          Yeap. I would do nothing because I don’t give a shit if it’s sea of Japan, or East Sea, or Sea of Timbucktoo.

          But to threaten Virginia with economic sanctions and willing to throw away investments and good relations with the US over a crummy sea name?

          lol… what loons…..

          • noshitbutsmile

            “would you do nothing leaving them to change the name of internatoinally recognized sea name?”
            I said that about ” even more exhaustive study done ” back home in Asia since 92. Not this stupid bill passage things in Virginia in UNITED STATES OF AMERICA other’s green garden. Besides this little symptom might grow to the level of comfort women memorial statuesin near future in Korean-occupying states, then would not be surprizing at all if Japanese investors walk away from hostile environments. Why not? Just like those trying to get out from China now at this moment.

          • redwhitedude

            All I can say is Japanese againt saved Koreans from looking bad by one upping them in overreacting. You see a pattern here with the comics incident, sea name and comfort women statues. They really can’t help themselves. lol

            I wonder if the Japanese are obsessed with Korea. Koreans should be flattered.

    • nitrostat

      you claim that it is “NOT TRUE” but you lack evidence.

      i’d like to see a link on where you got this information…and MLA format please?

      • noshitbutsmile

        Arent you the one who dared me but never came back. Nope. Guess I dont need to stay nice person. Goto Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs English Version. I dont care you believe it or not anyway. My life is not as bad as need to make such silly lies.

        • nitrostat

          i dared and you never did come back.. well atleast not properly. learn to read.. i dont want you to summarize where you got that information but i want you to LINK it.. from an official source preferably in MLA format… if you want to act scholarly, I’ll start treating it as such; i want to see it in MLA format, not some youtube page of an amateur right winger.

          • noshitbutsmile

            You cannot even make any better excuse? MLA format? act scholarly? BS…lol
            Learn to read… I said I won’t be so nice that I am to serve giving link to some who just dared and run away. If you are US citizen you should be able to find by your self from US National Archives. DIY!
            “United States Office of War Information by Psychological Warfare Team * Japanese Prisoner of War Interrogation Report No 49″ This is enough isnt it?
            If you are too lazy, dont even make any complain about Youtube I gave you, which picked up the gist. Speaking of youtube of an amateur right winger, you also did the same
            did you? What a shame…lol

          • noshitbutsmile

            And for this very time, you will come back to me unless you are coward? OK?

  • Tova Rischi

    This is so dumb! Why does this even matter, it’s water between countries!

    We should just call it the Serbian Sea. Dokdo? Little Serbia. Diaoyu? New Serbia. All is Serbia’s; neutral third party, little power even if partial. Give it to Serbia until children can learn to share.

    • redwhitedude

      Would calling it the East Manchurian Sea help? I wonder if the Russians would have a beef over that?

  • chucky3176

    The latest news on this show down.

    http://www.newser.com/story/181562/va-governor-in-deep-trouble-over-sea-of-japan.html

    Look at the reader poll on their take on this news.

    Ridiculous: 60%
    Hilarious: 28%

  • bultak23

    jingo bs

  • CLEO

    If it is our responsibility to teach young Americans the facts, then we should have both names on the map to indicate the conflict and direct attention to the facts of the Japanese trespasses against the Corean peninsula. Furthermore, we should include this Japanese ambassador’s letter of lies in the textbooks as an example of postwar Japanese dishonesty, To blatantly lie about the facts leading up to the attempt to change the maps of the world is incredibly stupid – to do it in writing in one’s official government capacity and to send the letter to an American government leader is astonishingly stupid.

    We need this letter in textbooks.

    • noshitbutsmile

      In doing that, please teach your young americans the difference of definition of tresspass and annexation. BTW what part of textbooks are blatant lies
      and what textbooks youre talking about? I would be happy to help you out of your misunderstandings

      • 日本人ㅋ

        Probably the parts where they say that Japan was just being ‘friendly’ to other nations in Asia during the early 1900s

      • 日本人ㅋ

        “There was one page on other events leading up to the Sino-Japanese war in 1937 – including one line, in a footnote, about the massacre that took place when Japanese forces invaded Nanjing – the Nanjing Massacre, or Rape of Nanjing.

        There was another sentence on the Koreans and the Chinese who were brought to Japan as miners during the war, and one line, again in a footnote, on “comfort women” – a prostitution corps created by the Imperial Army of Japan.”

        By Mariko Oi

        BBC News, Tokyo

        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21226068

        —–Even written by a Japanese person…but I guess it’s normal to enslave miners and ‘comfort women’ during an ‘annexation’

      • nitrostat

        ” teach your young americans the difference of definition of trespass and annexation”… way to state the obvious, and you spelled “your” wrong… btw, you’re japanese aren’t you?

        • noshitbutsmile

          Silly question to ask now isnt it? Yes I am posting with my english dictionary in front of me, so behave nicely and ignore my spelling mistakes. ..lol
          Did I reply to all of your post so far ? Let me omit dealing with garbage if not. Thanks

  • Balkan

    So Japanese companies invested in Virginia because its friendliness to Japan and not the profit they expect? They will withdraw after investing USD 1 billion because of the East Sea/Sea of Japan issue? I have no idea how that political problem is related to their business interests.

    I am interested in Japanese culture and people, but I believe Japanese government has become aggressive. The new NHK’s (Japanese public broadcaster) CEO pledged “unconditional loyalty to the government” after the previous one left the position because of the government pressure. There are also new laws that prevent journalists from reporting any “state secrets”. That is not good for Japan or for any of its neighbors.

    • redwhitedude

      Sounds like Japan is reverting to fascism. Not a good sign. Basically Abe now has two key people who suck up to him the head of Bank of Japan and now the head of NHK.

  • Dave Park

    I’m a Korean-American and I don’t really care much about this issue. Whether it be Sea of Japan or East Sea, I believe that South Korea has much more important issues to address. Koreans have to stop believing that Japan is this mighty enemy whose sole purpose is to attack them. In all honesty, Japan is a neutered dog who once had it’s day. It can’t, and won’t, do anything.

    • noshitbutsmile

      Nice one AH. Yep Japan should reconsider the relationship with USA once again not so far in future, as it will soon be filled up with the korean guys like you. neutered dog. very good AH

  • Cleo

    They never do anything that doesn’t benefit themselvs so if they invested a billion dollars in Virginia, there has to be a reason. Someone should look at those EB5 visas and find out if they are employing ten Americans as cheaply as possible to satsify the immigration requirement.

    What exactly are they investing in Virginia? That’s really weird – it’s the preferred residential state for DC-ers, correct? It’s less wintry than the Yankee states and probably way more affordable.

    It’s quite a feat that the Koreans managed to get as far as they did.

    • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

      “They never do anything that doesn’t benefit themselvs” – can be said about any country. Do you think the US went into Iraq out of the goodness of their hearts?

  • chucky3176

    Guys, I hear Japan is trying to register the suicidal letters of the 4000 Kamikaze pilot fighters as “world heritage” with UNESCO. What do you think of that? Japan is now claiming Kamikaze’s who were suicidal fanatical soldiers who crashed their planes into American ships, are considered to be world’s cultural heritage material? This is right after Japan applied to register the horrible labor camps at Kyushu and Yamaguchi, where forced Korean laborers were beaten, starved, and worked to death. Japan says they have the right to glorify their WWII wars and conquests. because they say they apologized and Korea signed the 1965 treaty, so that gives Japan the green light to do whatever they want.

    • Rutim

      Kamikaze are more famous than anything which came or will ever come out from Korean Peninsula. Maybe aside from Kim Ilsung ;)

      • redwhitedude

        Lol and comfort women. Thanks Japan for its clumsy attempts to shut this comfort women issue up. Their attempts at getting the statue in glendale removed lol so weak. Attempt to blackmail the state of Virginia. Their revisionist display in France. ROFL

      • reality check!

        Why would Korea want to be famous for making a failed desperate move like the IJA, to send suicide pilots? You can say “they had honor that you don’t” or “they have more guts than you ever will!” all you want… but I’m not retarded and have a pretty good life going here and looking forward to growing old with grand kids.

        To put it simply, I look at those pathetic souls, as people who were dumb enough to be tricked/lied into giving up their lives (Darwinism as they refer to it)… now take a note… doesn’t that sound a tad like some of those Islamic extremest suicide bombers?

        “Go commit suicide and you will be a hero! All will be happy and joyous in your after life… Hirohito* bless you for your honorable sacrifice!”

        *substitute for Allah.

        Boil it how you like… Kamikaze/Islamic suicide bombers still end up looking like uneducated retards with their lives cut short…

        • noshitbutsmile

          Well killing eachother in the same race may be no better.
          btw Kamikaze here is different one. Check history book and see when Koreans tried to invade Japan with Yuan Dynasity.
          That was Invation War and 1000yrs have not yet passed since then as opposed to the remarks made by korean president.
          Just medding for you.

          • reailty check!

            Different to you, not me and WTF are you talking about?

            Why would the Mongolian Yuan invasion have anything to do with WW2 Kami-retards? Love how you try to put the onus of the invasion on Korean’s, as if they had an option…

            Typical Japanese Apologist response… stray off topic when you don’t have a real response. I’m waiting for your now start pumping in misinformation.

            NOTE… as much as you try to stray, misinform and lie… your brave Kami-retards are exactly that… retards… I stress again… Darwinism…

            You should seriously get back on your med’s your ADD is showing…

          • noshitbutsmile

            Wait did I screw here too? ….lol lol lol Yes maybe this time I did. I thought Kamikaze Rutim meant was not Kamikaze pilot but Kamikaze Wind legend blowing from the peninsula Yes I screwd up.

            Shame on me

    • redwhitedude

      Well I don’t know about labor camps but puttins suicide pilots as part of UNESCO in a way is trying to put war dead in UNESCO. Not sure if that is going to fly well. If that is the case then Arlington National Cementary is worthy of UNESCO. Actually all national military cementaries would be worthy of that.

  • 日本人ㅋ

    Dear Governor and People of the Commonwealth of Virginia,

    If you change map, we mad and take Japan money away. Virginia people have bad effect.

    Signed,
    Japan Gov’t

    • commander

      Japan’s hysterically angry reaction effectively shows that the Japanese government is doing something illegitimate.

      If you think your are right, why using lobbyists to win over American lawmakers, and threatening withdrawal of Japanese companies instead of letting what you believe in as the truth speak for itself?

  • Stephen Kent

    I’m surprised that Korean textbooks acknowledge that there is a dispute over Dokdo, it seems more mature than the approach of the current Japanese government who pretend that there is no dispute over the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands. Acknowledging that other countries claim the islands too is probably less likely to foster blind nationalism and more likely to raise people who have their eyes open and a more balanced view of the world. Japan should do the same.

    • Rutim

      > Acknowledging that other countries claim the islands too is probably less likely to foster blind nationalism and more likely to raise people who have their eyes open and a more balanced view of the world.

      You’re pretty dumb, sir, if you don’t see implications to which it could lead and the difference in dispute over Dokdo/Takeshima and Senkaku/Diaoyu.

      Hint: Japanese don’t send their CG cutters or aircraft over Dokdo.

      • Stephen Kent

        Hi there,
        “if you don’t see implications to which it could lead” – sorry I don’t quite understand what this means. Do you mean I don’t understand the implications of teaching children that other countries dispute the ownership of the islands in question? Well, I just think that given that it’s the truth it’s a good idea to have the upcoming generation know the truth. I am not commenting on who I think the islands belong to.

      • redwhitedude

        “Japanese don’t send their CG cutters or aircraft over Dokdo”

        hmmmm… shouldn’t you be telling this to the chinese who have made a habit of entering Japanese territorial waters. Korea isn’t doing it.

  • reality check!

    Well… it looks like they won… it will be both East Sea / Sea of Japan in the school books..

    http://www.japantoday.com/category/politics/view/virginia-vote-on-sea-of-japan-hands-victory-to-south-koreans

    The head line is misleading as it’s more for Korean-Americans… as they were the ones that pushed this, not South Korea.

    • chucky3176

      I guess Japan will now pull all their money and investments out of Virginia as they threatened to do if this passed.

      Japan may also have to do the same and pull out of Georgia as well, because the state of Georgia will also vote on the resolution as same as the Virginia bill. The Georgia resolution was started by Sen. David Shafer of the Republican Party.

      • reality check!

        It’s pretty short sighted if they do pull out… after all they DID invest millions into these regions… pulling out would be loss on both sides…

        • chucky4176

          The Japanese and their Japan-can-do-no-wrong Western Japanophile apology gangs are now hopping mad with craze. Go look in their 2ch, Yahoo, and other forums, it’s half amusing if it wasn’t for all the callings for killing the gooks and what not. I don’t worry about myself, I worry for the Zainichi in Japan. It’s going to be another bad month for them.

          • reality check!

            You sure can see the butt hurt even here from the Western Japanophile apologist (including the Japanese that pretend to be non Japanese).

            It’s truly funny ass shit

            I looked at Yahoo already and wow… the amount of hate spewing from there is sickening. Will look at 2ch.

            As far as safety goes, I hope no one gets hurt on either side… but I doubt the right wing has that collective mental capacity not to act out.

      • noshitbutsmile

        Quote”I guess Japan will now pull all their money and investments out of Virginia as they threatened to do if this passed.”Unquote
        Oh boy….wanna trap someone here? otherwise better turn it off as I suggested. Oh boy…A little unsound comment. No need to stick to koreanbang nor to Japan news for timebeing. Have fun in Onehallyu. Maybe you could ask Commander Kim to creat the forum on NHK topics or of suisidal pilots’ notes/ UNESCO, which got nothing to do with the forum here. Sleep tight.

        • reality check!

          Earlier I suggested you to get back on your meds… now I am going to slightly in a different direction so I can remind you to ensure, that you only take what your doctor prescribed you for your regular dosage…

    • noshitbutsmile

      Well, it may also be for their mother country’s 20+yrs long efforts as I heard their(who?) goal is to change the text books in all 50 states, being financially supported along with comfort women memorial campaigns from SK. Big deal!. They did good job as an symbolic startup. And yet, I wonder if they(who?) should have set their 1st goal to making all non-korean americans able to locate their peninsula in map.

      • reality check!

        As much as you try to down play it, your butt hurt shows… and it is funny.

        “Big deal!” apparently it is for you and others to keep on posting here.

        I love how the Japanese and (Chucky3176, I’m totally ripping off your line) the Japan-can-do-no-wrong Western Japanophile apology gangs, try to play Korea off as… Korea who? where is that? never heard of them… you know where Korea is and you’re obviously not too bright…

        Stop trying to make Americans look stupid… Aside from the trailer park kids (and their respective clans) you probably associate with, the rest of the US does know where Korea is… The US does teach about it in History classes, due to something called the Korean War… In fact to further on that… War history becomes a highlighted close to veterans day every year…

  • Krystal Hampton

    That govenor shouldn’t have stepped into this political,social media mess. Now South Korea can’t stop talking about their ‘newfound recognition’ from the US. It’s only one petson that’s doing this, it’s not even the entire state nor the country!

  • H.J.

    Couple of Korean tourists got mobbed by a group of Japanese marchers with kill Korean flags and hate speech today. They did nothing other then getting caught by the group for speaking Korean. They were surrounded then gotten beaten up very badly. The Japanese police stood by, watched, and did nothing. No Japanese tried to help. Japan is now very dangerously nationalistic place, it’s only getting worse. Japanese media won’t report there’s a problem so these groups go around Japan indiscriminately. They are growing much bigger very rapidly. Stay away from Japan. In few years, you won’t recognize the country.

    • noshitbutsmile

      Lets see this is the photo Korean demonstration group “Tokyo Expedition” visit Yasukuni Shrine today and had some trouble with police. Ijust knew this.
      Is it different news?

      • H.J.

        This was in middle of the day Osaka, nowhere near Yasukuni. All they did was speak Korean in a whisper while walking away from the trouble that was building, and one of the Japanese overheard it and started the mob attack with screams of “Josenjin! Josenjin!” and his finger pointing.

        • Rutim

          > “Josenjin! Josenjin!”

          lol :D

          • reality check!

            Love how you make no effort on hiding your racist slant towards Koreans…

            Keep it up! you are doing a great job!

          • Rutim

            > Love how you make no effort on hiding your racist slant towards Koreans…

            This story was so fantastic that it was impossible to believe from the start :D Sorry

        • noshitbutsmile

          Icant find it nowhere. Usually it must come up at least in Twitter if it is events for public even if any media couldnot catch up. I feel sorry for the tourists.

    • noshitbutsmile

      Uuups missed. here you go

    • Rutim

      > No Japanese tried to help. Japan is now very dangerously nationalistic place,

      You’re being paid to write this?

  • noshitbutsmile

    So, The textbook with modern history left blank or with a few lines or both arguments pararell, and the text book twisted black-coloured to remember hatred. This is an issue. Kids are genuine, whiteboard.

    Looking forward to the related-article coming up.

    • H.J.

      Will Japan say American former POW of the Japanese are lying too?

      Editorial from a American former POW of the Japanese.

      http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/japans-war-history-comes-america-9835

      Virginia governor Terry McAuliffe has a promise to keep. And it is a promise that tests his and any American governor’s ability to stand up for his constituents against economic blackmail. During his campaign hevowed to support having school textbooks note that the Sea of Japan is also called the East Sea. Japan has reacted to this small addendum by threatening to withhold trade and investment from the Commonwealth.

      Japanese ambassador Kenichiro Sasae and a pack of lobbyists have warned Governor McAuliffe that allowing two names for the body of water between Japan and South Korea, North Korea, and Russia would endanger Japanese investment in the State. The Japanese government wants to retain a linguistic vestige of Western expansionism and Japanese colonialism. Korea was a colony of Japan through half of the twentieth century and was forced to abandon its language, geography, history and culture.

      As a former prisoner of war of Japan, I am familiar with the Japanese government’s use of economic threats to defend its colonial era history and unwillingness to take responsibility for Imperial Japan’s war crimes. Tokyo used these against legislation in 2001 in West Virginia to kill a resolution calling on the Japan to offer a formal apology and compensation to former prisoners of war.

      In the spring of 2001, the Rules Committee of the West Virginia House of Delegates unanimously approved House Concurrent Resolution No. 7. As this happened at the end of the legislative session (81st), the full House did not have time to consider the resolution. I was assured that it would be approved in House and Senate in the following year during the 82nd Legislature.

      Japan’s Consul General in New York reacted to this delay by sending a letter to West Virginia legislators, Governor, and others stating that the “positive cooperation and strong economic ties” between Japan and West Virginia might be damaged if the resolution was approved. Japan would not buy the state’s coal and steel. His warning was successful and the result was that neither chamber of the Legislature ever reconsidered the resolution.

      The Japanese government’s repeated intervention in efforts to set history straight is a painful reminder of the indignities I endured at the hands of my Japanese captors. I was a U.S. Army Air Corps mechanic, surrendered on May 6, 1942 at the fall of the Philippines. I became one of the thousands of POWs shipped to Japan in fetid holds aboard “hell ships” owned by Kawasaki’s K-Line or Mitsubishi’s NYK. In Japan, I was brutalized and humiliated as a slave laborer by four prominent Japanese companies during World War II. I was forced to work for Mitsui, Nippon Steel, Showa Denko, and Nisshin Flour Mills.

      There were over sixty Japanese companies that used American and Allied POWs as well as Dutch, Indian, Korean, and Chinese civilians for slave labor. Most are major corporations that still exist and likely do business in Virginia. None have acknowledged or apologized for their use and abuse of these unwilling workers.

      Virginians once questioned why a French company (Keolis) that is unapologetic for the Holocaust is allowed to service their VRE rail line. They should now ask why Sumitomo, Kawasaki, and Mitsui rail cars run on the VRE. Conditions in their factory camps (yes, plural) rivaled the inhumanity in those of the Nazis.

      I think the Virginia governor should stand up to Japanese threats and ask that maybe it’s time for a means test of corporate responsibility for Japanese companies that want state contracts. Too many Virginians, native born and immigrant, suffered horribly for these companies to now allow them to operate with impunity in the Commonwealth.

      No governor should allow a foreign government to blackmail his state. Further, no American should allow a foreign government the opportunity to again humiliate its once subjugated peoples. In the end, Governor McAuliffe must decide what lesson that he wants Virginia’s school children to learn: that there are reasonable alternatives to geographic names or that their governor can be swayed by intimidation.

      Edward Jackfert, a native of Wellsburg, WV, was a POW of Japan captured on Mindanao, The Philippines. He was twice National Commander of the American Defenders of Bataan and Corregidor.

      • noshitbutsmile

        Well I have read this news already and maybe you may want to edit to delete the copy-pasted as we all can refer to your link.
        So What part of this artice do either Japan or myself judge as lies?
        btw is your hot news about korean tuorists beaten up, where did you find?

        • nitrostat

          1. you make no sense…
          2. he posted you a link… just click on it if you want to read it.
          3. he does not state news regarding Korean tourist being beat up… –> you did not read the article… go back to no.2
          4. you fail

          • reality check!

            hmm… now that I read some of his post… I am convinced… the down syndrome is strong in this one…

            like… helmet needed kind of strong…

          • noshitbutsmile

            OK I got a picture.now I know what flag does. One more big favor for you to make Japanese so damn stupid, down syndrome.
            MODERATED
            I DIDNOT Fuc* FLAG any of your so FUC** comments.
            You are so obssessed with stink** sh*t , fuc*ked up hopeless bonehead.

          • noshitbutsmile

            Wait, is it me? who screwed up?
            1. H.J asked question with link to the article about POW
            2. Before I reply to it, H.J post another one about news of koreans beaten up
            3. I replied to 1, saying I had already read it (actually before he post the article, I new the article), so I asked two questions: what are the lies I made related to the POW article and the source of his 2nd post re koreans beaten up
            4. I post Photo of todays news at Yasukuni and asked if it was what he talked about
            5. He denied and said its in Osaka
            6. I tried to find but could not.
            Ask H.J if it is correct order of our conversation.
            better not jump on your own conclusions othrerwise unless you want to show how careless (including East/West location conversation with other poster) and how ignorant….omit

  • noshitbutsmile

    Oh one last message to kid. Lying doggo, Ahn Ho-young , Korean ambassador was also there to push it back in such Virginia hoopla as you define. You didnot know it obviously. this is another little turth you call untrue.

    • nitrostat

      wow.. so this is what you resort to when you have nothing else.. post pics of school girls making weird faces.. what is that for? i know you keep a secret collection of these on your computer… but please… you really dont have to share :D

  • chucky3176

    lol..

    “whiteu piggeus go home !”…. lol…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StZHzbjGgjY

    Wow, Nazi flags..lol.. yet they want the “white pigs” out of Japan. Contradictions much?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StZHzbjGgjY

  • bibimbap

    Ironic how Koreans have ended up doing everything they falsely accused the Japanese of doing in this case.

    So the story goes that the Japanese, with their being imperialists and all, unfairly used their political leverage to force their preferred name of the sea to become the international standard. All the while lying about the true name of the sea.

    As I’ve I mentioned yesterday, this is a crock easily refuted by a few minutes at the wiki page on the subject.

    The actual story is that the Koreans, playing the victim card, unfairly using the political advantage of there being more Ko-Am voters than J-Am voters (and I doubt that those dwindling and assimilating J-Am’s were anywhere nearly as passioned about this as the newly arrived bunch) forced their preferred name of the sea with the intention of making that oddly ethnocentirc nomenclature the new standard. All the while lying about or being misguided into believing the above narrative of the perfidious Japanese changing the sacrosanct and eternal name of the sea.

    Talk about hypocrisy! Talk about self-blindness! Talk about Freudian projection!

    • chucky3176

      “As I’ve I mentioned yesterday, this is a crock easily refuted by a few minutes at the wiki page on the subject.”

      Oh wow, the wiki. Great source for truth there, where Japanese spend day and night editing Korea related subjects which they can’t seem to leave alone.

      http://blog.daum.net/sadprince57/1883

      Just look at the topics that Japanese like to edit the most, is it big surprise they spend most of their wiki time on Korea? Compared to that, other countries are normal.

      “The actual story is that the Koreans, playing the victim card, unfairly using the political advantage of there being more Ko-Am voters than J-Am voters”

      Yeah, they’re using their voting power to get what they want. That’s the motto for all the ethnic groups in America, use the voting power to get results for their constituency. In that regard, Korean Americans are perfectly adjusting to America, as opposed to Japan who attempted to use political pressure, threats of economic pullout, and bribe money thrown at Congressmen and lawyers for decades buy influence in America. How come no mention of that, eh? For instance, they spent almost $800,000 in the US in 2012 to lobby to stop the Comfort women bill.

      http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/business-a-lobbying/197599-japan-turns-to-k-street-amid-calls-for-apology-on

      Korean American groups are doing a bang up job, making Japan pay through the nose to lobby in America, over the Comfort Women bill.

      http://www.business-standard.com/article/news-ians/japan-hires-us-lobby-firms-over-comfort-women-issue-114020700060_1.html

      Please don’t insult our intelligence and claim that Japan is all innocent here, while big bad Korea is unfairly attacking Japan. Japan is just reaping what they sowed.

      • bibimbap

        I’d rather take wikipedia over the offerings of most nationalists any day. But substantively I don’t see how you can deny Koreans are lying or blind when they claim that East Sea was a frequently used name. The facts stand until you can prove otherwise. I know of very few old non-Korean maps that use East Sea, but not in the most straightforward way for the Korean side. Do you have something better that shows otherwise?

        Also another reason for wiki is that it actually shows the Korean argument whereas if you read the Korean print media there is just a cover of silence about the proposition that most maps from recent centuries show Sea of Japan. It shocks Koreans because they have never heard it as even a proposition to be looked into. They only hear that the bad imperialist Japanese did a switcharoo. If you really care for Korea’s future, and I do, you should be much more worried about such blocking off of such intellectual options, black and white thinking, etc. than meaningless arguments about the naming of a body of water. Literally no nation on the planet does this kind of thing.

        As for your other point, I pointed out an analogy of the structure of the situation, not on the merits of this group peddling influence over that one.

        Who said the Japanese are innocent? Stop being so black and white about the matter.

        As for influence peddling are the Japanese expected to just sit back because a self-absorbed ethnic group uses the levels of power of the dominant state on the globe to do outrageous things? As I’ve said yesterday I think the Japanese are overreacting but that doesn’t in principle mean what they are doing is worse than what the Koreans are doing. If the IRA becomes active doesn’t the British government have a right to ask Washington for help in curtailing the influence of Irish-Americans lobbying for pro-IRA positions? I am not taking sides but just saying that such inter-nation actions are perfectly normal. But Koreans like to live by boilerplates and mottos. Want to tar the Japanese as demons instead of understanding them as actors with interests who we have to interact with? Sure, use all the smear words you want but remember to end on a note of how Koreans are always right. Yeah, just go on ahead.

        • bibimbap

          Another thing. One thing that’s noticeable about Korean methods of argument are just bringing in irrelevant details to create an emotional cloud that actually has no direct bearing on the subject matter but somehow tries to incline one to say uh huh, yeah, yeah.

          Same thing in this case of the Korean Daum link above. Really I am tempted at the disengenuous shenanigans this link represents with a So f&/@ing what? But I’ll desist and explain. The link has nothing to do with Japanese doings on English wikipedia but focuses on what appears to be high interest on the part of Japanese on various Korean subjects. What logical relation does this have to do with whether wiki entries on subjects of dispute between Korea and Japanese are biased or not??? Unless you can prove that hordes of cyber Ninjas waving the Rising Sun flag were able to prevail over a beleaguered unit of kimchi warriors and their Western sympathizers, as well as the neutral contingents, then just please stop with the conspiracy theories.

          • chucky3176

            I am not arguing that Koreans trying to change the name of the sea is right. Please read my prior postings before jumping to conclusions.

            “As for influence peddling are the Japanese expected to just sit back because a self-absorbed ethnic group uses the levels of power of the dominant state on the globe to do outrageous things?”

            What outrageous things (other then this sea naming thing) did “a self-absorbed ethnic group” has done to righteously make Japanese go around the globe to counter every issues that Japanese think is making them look bad? I think it’s Japanese here, who have been self-absorbed, waking up

            “If the IRA becomes active doesn’t the British government have a right to ask Washington for help in curtailing the influence of Irish-Americans lobbying for pro-IRA positions? I am not taking sides”

            That is an outrageous statement. You are comparing Korean Americans with a terrorist movement? Because they wanted to change the name of the sea, and pass the Comfort Women bill in congress? Are you fucking out of your mind buddy? Japan is acting normal like Britain, fighting over an argument over a name of a body of sea, is a mature act of self-defence? You just insulted Britain. I really don’t know who you are, but yes, you are taking sides.

            What I have a problem with you is that you are claiming Japanese are innocent here. Really? Lobbying all over the states on various issues, spending millions, threatening states and cities with economic calamity, are not as bad as Korean Americans lobbying their senators? The issues like the Comfort Women statue in Glendale, the Comfort Women bills, and the Comfort Women anime festival in France where Japanese feel they are under assault, it shocks Japanese because they have never heard of the proposition that most of the world do not agree with their version of their WWII history. They only hear that the Imperialist Japan was just and great power, and that Japan is being unfairly victimized. It shocks them greatly that the rest of the world thinks completely differently.

            As for the wiki thing, I’ve no interest in studying who’s right and who’s wrong in this naming issue because frankly who the fuck cares? Just that my pointer to you is, don’t use wiki and claim it must be the truth. Japanese have a very high interest in various Korean subjects, you fucking kidding me? They sure do. When you say “hordes of cyber Ninjas waving the Rising Sun flag” is not that far off the mark.

          • bibimbap

            If you don’t care and don’t have a stake why the dubious bringing up of the reliability of wiki or not? You just brought it up to crap on the Japanese?

            Stay on topic. Outrageous things meant the naming issue under discussion. You can bring other stuff in when they become the subject but don’t expand my topic of discussion.

            Again you fail to see analogies. The point is that Koreans are being pigheaded in this case and the Japanese have a right to act on their own behalf. It’s a simple point. Stop with the lumping on of other issues for argument by self-righteousness sake.

            And another instance of the typical Korean dodging a critical point by deflecting it on the other person. Instead of admitting that Koreans hear a one-sided story about the East Sea issue you turn around and make this an issue about Japanese being like that about topics not under discussion. Isn’t the first step to admit that we may have blindspots as well in this case?

          • chucky3176

            “If you don’t care and don’t have a stake why the dubious bringing up of the reliability of wiki or not?”

            I told you. I’m just pointing out it’s not a good source to quote as the gospel. And I have no energy over this naming issue to check out all the sources that the wiki editors quote, to make sure they check out.

            “Again you fail to see analogies. The point is that Koreans are being pigheaded in this case and the Japanese have a right to act on their own behalf.”

            You’re the one pig headed, to say Koreans are the only ones being pigheaded in this case, and Japanese are rightfully acting on their defence. You don’t see anything wrong with Japan lobbying and trying to bully state of Virginia over a name of a sea? Again, who the fuck cares what the name of the sea is? Holy Jesus. How about this, they’re both being pigheaded?

            “Instead of admitting that Koreans hear a one-sided story about the East Sea issue you turn around and make this an issue about Japanese being like that about topics not under discussion.”

            The East Sea issue, Japan’s right wing stance, and actions by Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s government has a lot to do with everything, and they’re all related. If Japan hadn’t been so stubbornly revisionist, we wouldn’t be in this situation today.

      • chucky3176

        “”The actual story is that the Koreans, playing the victim card, unfairly using the political advantage of there being more Ko-Am voters than J-Am voters””

        What is so unfair about using their political advantage? That is the American way, using votes to get they want. Now that doesn’t mean I agree with them about bringing this stupid issue to congress. But it can’t be any worse than what Japan did over a stupid name of the sea.

    • bumfromkorea

      Korean Americans ask their local government to change something in their local education system.

      Japanese government threatens the State of Virginia economically if Virginia’s local education system doesn’t adhere to Japan‘s demands.

      Commenters here: Fuckin’ Koreans, man…

      Also, as a side note:

      Koreans: East Sea
      Japanese: Sea of
      Japan

      bibimbap: East Sea = oddly ethnocentirc nomenclature

      • nonesmoking

        Korean Americans are lying and intentionally misleading about the origins of the current name of a body of water, and using strength in numbers to get it changed to name that befits their own ethnographic thinking.

        And yet, as ever with the super-patriot Japan-bad-Korea-good trolls, it is Japan who is misbehaving, merely for resisting this intentional slander and misrepresentation of facts.

        You know that when even the likes of Chucky can’t find it within themselves to support this move, it sure stinks to the high heavens.

        • bibimbap

          I wouldn’t say intentionally lying. In conversations and reading Korean materials I haven’t seen conscious lying. More like a framework that doesn’t allow contrary information or let shades of gray be recognized. And a tendency to see things in terms of superlatives. Evil vs. good if the Japanese are involved in an unpleasant or competitive situation. That Koreans have been the worst suffering of colonial subjects. That Japan has been the most evil and the least reflective among former imperial aggressors. That the agitated emotions of Koreans are always noble justice seeking while anything Japanese is reflective of their inhumanity. And so on. Which is conducive to demonization thinking, not to mention an “I have to be right because I am a victim” mentality.

          Personally I am quite sympathetic to victim narratives and attempts at restitution, and I don’t mean to give the Japanese a free pass, but there’s a point when the grievances become something dark and ugly. Think Germany after WWI, although in the Korean case it sometimes borders on the comical.

          Practically, however, the black and white True Believer is not easier to deal with than a conscious liar. I’ve noticed some whose online demeanor was as chilling as a Soviet commissar in the ease and unrelentingness of their denunciations. Not to mention the arbitrary free hand they feel they have about setting the bar for what would count as justice, without regard for sympathetic friends or political realities. Funny how they mirror the Japanese far right in that way and sad that that kind of rhetoric finds little approbation in Korean society.

          Come to think of it, I wouldn’t say there is no lying at all. But even in the cases that look like lying it often seems like wanting to believe that the Japanese have done the worst to Koreans. I guess you can criticize them for low standards for truth in those cases. Maybe it’s because of the”han” culture. Or maybe because, as an emotional people, we let our gut feelings claim the better part of our intellects. But the Irish or Africans who have suffered on a scale that Koreans cannot be compared to and who have received a pittance in terms of genuflection by their former colonial masters don’t behave like us. I don’t know.

          Anyway, I don’t see intentional lying in this case in Virginia.

          • chucky3176

            You got to be kidding me. Talking about lying, who really keeps lying when the NHK claims “the Americans fabricated the war crime charges against Japan to cover up for American war crimes”? This is called bull shit lying.

            http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3120699/posts

            Lies, lies and nothing but lies.

          • bibimbap

            Oops. I meant disapprobation, not approbation.

        • bumfromkorea

          Korean Americans are lying and intentionally misleading about the origins of the current name of a body of water,

          LOL. I could’ve sworn I heard the Kimigayo playing in the background when I read that.

          and using strength in numbers to get it changed to name that befits their own ethnographic thinking.

          “ethnographic thinking”?
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

          Also, “using strength in numbers” to get something changed in your political unit? Democracy.

          And yet, as ever with the super-patriot Japan-bad-Korea-good trolls

          When you don’t have anything useful to say, just resort to personal attacks and ad hominem.

          it is Japan who is misbehaving, merely for resisting this intentional slander and misrepresentation of facts.

          Yes, except “merely for resisting” is economically threatening another country’s provincial unit.

          • nonsmoker

            ”LOL. I could’ve sworn I heard the Kimigayo playing in the background when I read that.’

            Followed by this:

            ‘When you don’t have anything useful to say, just resort to personal attacks and ad hominem.’

            Noticeably, you are haven’t written about the meat of the argument: namely how the Sea of Japan can to be termed by the international community as such or why it should be changed. You have offered absolutely zero comment on this. And we both know why that is.

            Instead, you have come to a discussion thread to label anyone disagreeing with your name-calling as a Japanese right-winger.

            Crawl back under your rock, you’re more useful there.

          • bumfromkorea

            And we both know why that is.

            Actually, I don’t think you do. I personally don’t think it’s that important whether it’s called Sea of Japan or East Sea; when it comes to Korea- Japan relations, there are far, far, faaar more important and horrific issues than the maritime nomenclature. I just thought it was funny that, when juxtaposing American citizens asking their local leaders to change their local education system and the Japanese government threatening another country’s province economically, the comments here somehow think that the former is the forceful one.

            Again. American citizens changing their local education system vs. a Foreign country economically coercing a State what to do with their local education. bibimbap apparently thinks the former is more messed up than the latter.

            Instead, you have come to a discussion thread to label anyone disagreeing with your name-calling as a Japanese right-winger

            Sorry, but when you open with accusing Korean Americans of “lying” and “intentionally misleading” in a subject that is, at best, contested, you lose all right to have my benefit of the doubt. Not to mention the “super-patriot Japan-bad-Korea-good trolls” gem that you followed with.

            And the fact that you have accused me of name-calling 1 comment after you called me “super-patriot Japan-bad-Korea-good troll” for writing an opinion in response to someone that’s not even you? Hilarious.

          • nonsmoker

            As Bibimbap pointed out, there’s a galling irony to this group intentionally lying about history by claiming the name Sea of Japan was established as a result of political influence, unfair representation and historical revisionism by the Japanese. This is exactly what the Ko-Am’s and quasi-governmental Korean nationalist organizations are doing. They are guilty of the very tactics they falsely accuse the Japanese of having used. And you know this. But you’ll continue with your shouts about how the Japanese revise facts to suit their own nationalist historiography, no doubt.

            That Ko-Ams/Koreans are happy for this lie
            to be taught to children in Korea is sad. But that they push for this falsehood to be indoctrinated into the children of other nations, just so they can get one over on the Japanese, is downright malicious. And utterly deplorable.

            The rest of your posts here are red-herrings,
            intended to divert the real issue. No country would allow itself to be smeared to another country’s children on the basis of a lie and unbridled hatred without countering this. The Japanese understandably are no different.

            Your postings on this topic demonstrate a hatred for the Japanese that sees you willing to suspend reason and truth in defensive of nationalist, ethnocentric propaganda and malice.

            I see no further point in debating someone
            who is either so limited in terms of intellect, or blind with hate, they’ll argue black is white or try to talk about the color brown in an attempt to divert the topic.

          • bumfromkorea

            there’s a galling irony to this group intentionally lying about history

            There it is again.

            But you’ll continue with your shouts about how the Japanese revise facts to suit their own nationalist historiography, no doubt.

            I would sure love to have the quote where I did that. Or is it like Noshitbutsmile up there where you make the claim and I have to find the counterevidence myself?

            That Ko-Ams/Koreans

            Full stop. The fact that you casually lumped these two incredibly different groups of people with different interests, history, and motives into one shows where you’re just not getting it. You don’t see American citizens there, you see. You just see an amorphous lump of Koreans.

            The rest of your posts here are red-herrings, intended to divert the real issue.

            I would say show your work, but somehow I think you’re just going to claim that it’s just so obvious.

            No country would allow itself to be smeared to another country’s children on the basis of a lie and unbridled hatred without countering this. The Japanese understandably are no different.

            First, again with the “lie” on a subject that is, at best, contested.

            Second, Japanese government’s “countering” is, again, THREATENING the State of Virginia economically. It’s hilarious how uneven your evaluation of the situation is.

            Your postings on this topic demonstrate a hatred for the Japanese that
            sees you willing to suspend reason and truth in defensive of
            nationalist, ethnocentric propaganda and malice.

            I wrote I don’t give two shits whether people call it East Sea or Sea of Japan on a comment that you’re *responding to*, and your response is “nationalist, ethnocentric propaganda and malice”? Somehow, I think you’re being unreasonable… but pretty consistent so far. You *are* the one who opened with ” super-patriot Japan-bad-Korea-good trolls” as the first response. I am not too surprised.

            I see no further point in debating someone
            who is either so limited
            in terms of intellect, or blind with hate, they’ll argue black is white
            or try to talk about the color brown in an attempt to divert the topic.

            Again, this is the response to “I personally don’t think it’s that important whether it’s called Sea of
            Japan or East Sea; when it comes to Korea- Japan relations, there are
            far, far, faaar more important and horrific issues than the maritime
            nomenclature.” You’re being a *bit* unreasonable.

          • nonsmoker

            ‘I wrote I don’t give two shits whether people call it East Sea or Sea of Japan’.

            Then why are you here? You’ve added 11 comments on this thread. All of them intending to tell people they’re talking about the wrong issue, and then when you’re asked to give your opinion on the issue at hand you claim you ‘couldn’t give two shits’. If you really couldn’t give two shits about the subject and yet are repeatedly returning to argue a point you have no real interest in, then you truly are a troll.

            ‘First, again with the “lie” on a subject that is, at best, contested.’

            and

            ‘Sorry, but when you open with accusing Korean Americans of “lying” and “intentionally misleading” in a subject that is, at best, contested, you lose all right to have my benefit of the doubt.

            Copied from the original petition submitted to the White House by Peter Kim, chairman of Voice of Koreans Oversea, the organisation that lobbied for this change:

            ’1. As a result of gruesome military expansionism, Japan changed “East Sea” (the original name of sea bordered by Korea, Russia, and Japan) to “Sea of Japan” in 1928

            The term Sea of Japan was established by the international community centuries before 1928, and long before Japanese expansionism, as is demonstrated in numerous map surveys of different countries’ libraries. It’s name was given according to the standards used for the naming of the Irish Sea and The English Channel. ‘East Sea’ is a Korean name used only locally (obviously, given it’s relative terminology by Koreans) and with little to no international maps noting this usage.

            ‘ 2. Korea was liberated in 1945, but Japan still refuses to return “East Sea” to its original identity.’

            The Japanese and, more importantly, the rest of the world, have rarely, if ever, referred to that body of water as the ‘East Sea’ – they’d have no reason to.

             3. Our veterans were the major force defeating Japan in World War II. We helped Korea to regain its freedom.

            An irrelevant point in the discussion on the historical accuracy of a name.

            https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/east-sea-false-history-our-textbooks/FLmJCBz9

            As you can see, the term ‘lie’ and ‘mislead’ are very apt in describing how VoKA are presenting this non-issue.

            You seem like the type of person who would have read up on this issue. Given how wholly unsupportable this name change is (hell, even Chucky has denounced it), who can’t help but question your motivations for defiantly supporting it even in the face of facts, and see this as anything other than die-hard tribalism, and subscription to the one-upmanship over Japan this so-obviously is. When this is added to your claims of ‘not giving two shits’ about the issue, yet repeatedly returning and adding 10+ comments to a thread you supposedly don’t care about, you’ll understand why I called you a ‘Korea-good-Japan-bad troll’: if the cap fits, wear it.

            If the cap fits.

          • bumfromkorea

            Then why are you here? You’ve added 11 comments on this thread. All of them intending to tell people they’re talking about the wrong issue, and then when you’re asked to give your opinion on the issue at hand you claim you ‘couldn’t give two shits’. If you really couldn’t give two shits about the subject and yet are repeatedly returning to argue a point you have no real interest in, then you truly are a troll.

            Last I checked, the subject of the original post was about how the Japanese government economically threatened the State of Virginia over the issue of maritime nomenclature. I mean, that’s my guess. The title of the post is “Japan Threatens Virginia Governor over “East Sea” Controversy” and not “Sea of Japan is Wrong! East Sea is correct!”. That’s where my educated guess comes from.

            The term Sea of Japan was established by the international community centuries before 1928, and long before Japanese expansionism, as is demonstrated in numerous map surveys of different countries’ libraries. It’s name was given according to the standards used for the naming of the Irish Sea and The English Channel. ‘East Sea’ is a Korean name used only locally (obviously, given it’s relative terminology by Koreans) and with little to no international maps noting this usage.

            The Japanese and, more importantly, the rest of the world, have rarely, if ever, referred to that body of water as the ‘East Sea’ – they’d have no reason to.

            Sure, but VoKA’s argument is that Korea did not get a good representation at the original IHO in 1929 because of, you know, the whole Imperial Occupation thing. I certainly agree that even with proper representation it is likely the sea would have still been named “Sea of Japan”, but that doesn’t make VoKA’s argument “lies” or “intentionally misleading”.

            An irrelevant point in the discussion on the historical accuracy of a name.

            Sounds like he was trying to add a little pathos to his argument. Again, not fitting your description of “lies” and “intentionally misleading”.

            You seem like the type of person who would have read up on this issue. Given how wholly unsupportable this name change is (hell, even Chucky has denounced it), who can’t help but question your motivations for defiantly supporting it even in the face of facts, and see this as anything other than die-hard tribalism, and subscription to the one-upmanship over Japan this so-obviously is.

            11 comments (as you’ve helpfully counted), and you still don’t understand even the basics of my argument. VoKA is a group of *American* *citizens* getting involved in their *local* education. Japanese government economically threatening the State of Virgnia is a *foreign* government interfering with the *local* political processes regarding a *local* education policy. One of these two has no business in telling the State of Virginia what to do with their *local* education system, and it’s not the group of people who have American passports and Virginian mailing address.

            It’s not that hard of a concept, unless there is a problem with one’s ability to distinguish between Koreans, Korean government, and Korean Americans.

          • noshitbutsmile

            Korea has no business in telling the City of Tokyo what to do with their *local* education system, and it’s not the group of people who have Japanese passports and Tokyo mailing address. Uhhh just saying. good night

          • bumfromkorea

            God, this is just getting pathetic.

            Japan is certainly free to do whatever it wishes with its education system. The failure of the Japanese education system to reflect properly on its Imperial past harms the Japanese as much as (if not more than) the Koreans, and it is merely a symptom of the larger problem – Japan hasn’t faced up to its horrific past properly, and firmly invested in the idea that they’re somehow the victims of war in the Pacific War.

            Here’s a great post on the subject, actually: http://askakorean.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-good-history-deniers.html

          • noshitbutsmile

            Those threatenings below your 2nd line is completely their problem. Korea should shut its mouth up shouldnt it? I will read your link
            when I feel like doing so some day. thks anyway.

          • nonsmoker

            “I certainly agree that even with proper representation it is likely the sea would have still been named “Sea of Japan”, but that doesn’t make VoKA’s argument “lies” or “intentionally misleading”.

            Yes, it does.

            ”1. As a result of gruesome military expansionism, Japan changed “East Sea” (the original name of sea bordered by Korea, Russia, and Japan) to “Sea of Japan” in 1928′

            ‘Japan changed East Sea (the original name …) ‘

            Changed it to what? The term the international community had themselves created and standardized over the last 200 years? And changed it for whom? The community that had created and standardized that same name?

            Bare-faced lies hidden on the back of a victim card.

            By this point, you clearly know you’re arguing disingenuously, but such is your love of trolling and Japan bashing, that you just keep plugging on, unwittingly admitting your disrespect for fact and reason if it means a even a slight chance to smear the Japanese.

            I hope you’re enjoying it down there, in the depths even Chucky won’t sink to.

          • bumfromkorea

            Changed it to what? The term the international community had themselves
            created and standardized over the last 200 years? And changed it for
            whom? The community that had created and standardized that same name?

            The argument, again, is that Korea received no seat at the table when everything was put into paper. Call it unconvincing if you’d like, but it’s not “lies” and “intentionally misleading” just because you don’t agree with it.

            By this point, you clearly know you’re arguing disingenuously, but such is your love of trolling and Japan bashing,

            Coming from the guy who has been completely ignoring the entire crux of my argument this entire time? Hilarious.

            But at least you’re still consistent with the “trolling” label – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

            unwittingly admitting your disrespect for fact and reason if it means a even a slight chance to smear the Japanese.

            I hope you’re enjoying it down there, in the depths even Chucky won’t sink to.

            Dude, you don’t know anything about me or what I think. And it’s kinda pathetic to write a chain of personal attacks *that* long without responding to *any* of my actual points.

          • nonsmoker

            ‘The argument, again, is that Korea received no seat at the table when everything was put into paper. Call it unconvincing if you’d like, but it’s not “lies” and “intentionally misleading” just because you don’t agree with it.’

            No, the petition clearly says:

            ”’1. As a result of gruesome military expansionism, JAPAN CHANGED “EAST SEA” (THE ORIGINAL NAME OF THE SEA bordered by Korea, Russia, and Japan) TO “SEA OF JAPAN’ in 1928′

            Read that.There it is, clear as day, on the petition. It explicitly claims that the sea had a different name prior to 1928 and that this was changed to the Sea of Japan by the Japanese in 1928. It does not talk about representation (or seats at the table). It claims outright that the Japanese changed the name of the sea. Nothing less.

            Peter Kim and his cohorts are either so inept at research they have no authority to be discussing the subject let alone demanding changes to state education textbooks, or – and guess which is the most likely – he knows full well the history of the naming of that body of water and his organisation have written outright lies in order to slander the Japanese and foist his own nationalist agenda on a state’s children.

            As I said ‘lies’.

            ‘Coming from the guy who has been completely ignoring the entire crux of my argument this entire time? Hilarious.’

            Your crux is a diversionary red-herring. A suitable comparison would be the Japanese right-wingers who want to talk only about trucks being rammed into embassies or people cutting their digits off without wanting to mention the controversial statement that preceded it.

            ‘Dude, you don’t know anything about me or what I think.’

            Dude, you’re on this page, JapanCrush and Marmot’s Hole frequently posting about how all the Japanese are all the same (nefarious history deniers) whilst bemoaning Koreans being lumped together in what you term ‘Korean Jelly’ and labelling anyone who disagrees with you on Korea-Japan issues as ‘Korea-haters’ and ’2ch trollkins’.

            It’s pretty obvious what you think on these issues, and it ain’t pretty.

          • bumfromkorea

            Read that.There it is, clear as day, on the petition.

            I think you need to do better research on what the actual argument VoKA is providing. The fact that you completely miss the important section of that sentence, “As a result of gruesome military expansionism”, is a good indication that you never bothered to find out.

            Or perhaps this is a reading comprehension issue. Why do you think the petition prefaced the “Japan changed East Sea to” with “As a result of gruesome military expansionism”? Could it be that the argument is that Korea was annexed and never actually got to represent themselves at the initial IHO?

            Your crux is a diversionary red-herring.

            If the argument, “Japanese government threatening Virgnia with investment is far, far worse than Korean Americans lobbying their representative” in a thread for the post titled “Japan threatens Virginia Governor over East Sea controversy”, is considered diversionary red-herring, then what the hell is not considered a diversionary red-herring? Half my point is literally in the title of the original post, for crying out loud.

            You, on the other hand, insist that the topic is East Sea vs. Japan. Again, look at the OP. Look at the title.

            Dude, you’re on this page, JapanCrush and Marmot’s Hole frequently
            posting about how all the Japanese are all the same (nefarious history
            deniers) whilst bemoaning Koreans being lumped together in what you term
            ‘Korean Jelly’ and labelling anyone who disagrees with you on
            Korea-Japan issues as ‘Korea-haters’ and ’2ch trollkins’.

            First, goddamn, it’s so creepy when people like you go back to comment history. It literally makes me shudder. Ewww…

            how all the Japanese are all the same (nefarious history deniers)?

            Actually, you missed the point of that argument. This seems to be a consistent problem with you. And I never said “all the Japanese are the same”, not even close. If anything, I’ve said on multiple occasions the opposite of that.

            whilst bemoaning Koreans being lumped together in what you term ‘Korean Jelly’

            Something that has already happened in this comment section. In his last comment bibimbap tried to lump together Korean Americans and Koreans/Korean government because they share the same convictions and goals on the East Sea vs. Sea of Japan issue. Considering the level of disagreement and fragmentation within the Korean American community over multitudes of issues involving Japan and Korea (or any other contentious issues), this is a hilariously inaccurate concept.

            labelling anyone who disagrees with you on Korea-Japan issues as ‘Korea-haters’ and ’2ch trollkins’.

            Plenty of people disagree with me on Korea-Japan issues who I don’t think are 2ch trollkins. But when someone *opens* with, oh you know, something like

            “And yet, as ever with the super-patriot Japan-bad-Korea-good trolls, it is Japan who is misbehaving, merely for resisting this intentional slander and misrepresentation of facts.”

            It kinda burns down the whole benefit of the doubt thing.

            It’s pretty obvious what you think on these issues, and it ain’t pretty.

            You don’t know jack shit, it looks like. Maybe you need to read my old comments more. But you know, don’t tell me if you have or not. It seriously creeps me out.

          • nonsmoker

            ‘I think you need to do better research on what the actual argument VoKA is providing. The fact that you completely miss the important section of that sentence, “As a result of gruesome military expansionism”, is a good indication that you never bothered to find out.’

            I have serious concerns about your IQ. The inclusion of the clause ‘As a result of gruesome military expansionism’ is FURTHER PROOF OF THE INTENTION TO MISLEAD not evidence to the contrary. The ‘original name’ was never ‘East Sea’ (at least not for the international community) it was never ‘changed’ and ‘East Sea’ was never the ‘original name’ (as is claimed in the preceding clause), hence the introductory clause is used to set up a false cause-effect relationship between a historically recorded fact (Japan had a period of gruesome miliarism) and a series of interwoven falsehoods. I omitted the clause as I assumed this would be self-evident. It seems I over-estimated your comprehension skills.

            ‘Could it be that the argument is that Korea was annexed and never actually got to represent themselves at the initial IHO?’

            Where does it say that in the petition?

            https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/east-sea-false-history-our-textbooks/FLmJCBz9

            It doesn’t. It’s a reasonable argument, but nowhere is it presented in the petition. Until you can find where, exactly, this is claimed in the petition, your point is invalid.

            I’ve proved that the assertions claimed in VoKA’s petition are wrong, and in such a way that they couldn’t be the result of error or oversight, but could only have come about through willful mis-representation of fact with the intention to mislead. That’s also called lying. And lying to a state’s children is pretty bad, especially when done for the malicious, nationalist purposes.

            You have tried desperately to argue black is white, making baseless assertions devoid of any kind of evidence, all in defense of those who want to disseminate their malicious, nationalist falsehoods to children. I hope you’re proud of yourself. You deserve some kind of netizen/nutoyo gold medal. I asked Chucky if he’d present it, but he’s yet to get back to me.

            Enjoy your trolling.

          • bumfromkorea

            Where does it say that in the petition?

            Yeah… VoKA has done more than just that petition, and Mr. Kim has spoken out in more incidences than just that petition. Again, maybe you should do a little more research to see what their arguments really are. Or don’t. I mean, it took me about 15 minutes to look up and figure out what their arguments are, but god knows how fast it’ll take with your, er, comparatively higher IQ, I suppose.

            I’ve proved

            Actually, all you’ve done here is just repeatedly call them lies and misleading while calling me names and write personal attacks. Interestingly enough, something a troll actually does.

            all in defense of those who want to disseminate their malicious, nationalist falsehoods to children

            With a sentence like that, do you really see yourself as the reasonable one here? I mean, if you do, all the more power to you. I’d love to have that level of delusions about myself as well. Must feel really good.

            Enjoy your trolling.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

          • noshitbutsmile

            Eitherway, so it seems the korean paper should not have used the term “threat” nor “blackmail” under the name of a unidentified diplomacy expert.

          • nonsmoker

            ‘Actually, all you’ve done here is just repeatedly call them lies and misleading’.

            Nope, I’ve demonstrated why they are lies. And you haven’t seemed to be able to respond to my calling you out on that clause either.

            ‘Yeah… VoKA has done more than just that petition, and Mr. Kim has spoken out in more incidences than just that petition. Again, maybe you should do a little more research to see what their arguments really are.’

            If Mr Kim and his organisation are willing to lie on an official document such as a Washington petition, what makes you think he and his organisation wouldn’t lie in less official and undocumented circumstances elsewhere? Even if he does tell truths on the subject elsewhere, why does this mitigate the fact he and his organisation has lied on the petition?

            ‘you see evil Koreans spreading their “malicious, nationalist falsehood” here.’

            Nice attempt at playing the ‘anti-Korean’ card.

          • bumfromkorea

            Nope, I’ve demonstrated why they are lies.

            No, you made a counter-argument against their claim, declared your argument as facts, and then called them liars because their claims are counter to your “facts”. Even if your facts are true, that makes VoKA wrong, not liars.

            Your claim that they are liars rest entirely on whether Sea of Japan was a widely established name for the maritime body or not. That is the point of contention that the VoKA is challenging – simply stating your argument and declaring it as facts doesn’t make your opponents liars, it just makes them your *opponents*. Especially considering that your “facts” are based on old maps – guess what? They have old maps on their side as well.

            That makes the issue of East Sea vs. Sea of Japan a *contested* issue – a contest, by the way, that I’ve noted is in favor of Sea of Japan in my personal opinion.

            The argument that I’ve presented here was this: Given that Korean Americans are American citizens and therefore have every right to change their local government’s education system, and given that the Japanese government does not have the same right, it is ridiculous to call VoKA’s call for action an unfair application of their political force when it is the Japanese government who *threatened* the State of Virginia in a not-exactly-subtle manner.

            All you’ve done here? Shove your counter-arguments as “facts” and call me names, including, hilariously enough, a troll.

          • nonsmoker

            This is hilarious.

            The moon isn’t round. It’s square. Anyone disagreeing with this is simply making a ‘counter-argument’. Therefore my claim that the moon is in fact square is equally as valid as any ‘counter-arguments’ that the moon is round. If anyone has maps or documents that show the moon is round, so what – I have 3 maps and 2 documents that show the moon is square. And why shouldn’t my 3 maps and 2 documents be given the same credence as the thousands of maps that say the moon is round?

            Now that we have established there is a dispute, all children in the state of Washington should be taught that the moon is square as well as round.

            Are you a creationist, per chance?

          • bumfromkorea

            The fact that you believe “Sea of Japan” claim to be as solid as “The Moon is round” is the reason why you’re coming off as a *bit* unreasonable in this discussion.

          • nonsmoker

            ‘Your claim that they are liars rest entirely on whether Sea of Japan was a widely established name for the maritime body or not.’

            Yep, at last the penny drops.

            ‘Especially considering that your “facts” are based on old maps – guess what? They have old maps on their side as well.

            Please tell me, how many of those other maps are there and where are they from?

          • bumfromkorea

            Keep reading, honey.

            That makes the issue of East Sea vs. Sea of Japan a *contested* issue – a contest, by the way, that I’ve noted is in favor of Sea of Japan in my personal opinion.

          • nonsmoker

            And why do you believe it is in favor of the Sea of Japan?

            This is going to make for interesting reading.

          • bumfromkorea

            Simply by the number of the maps, convincing majority of the maps starting in mid to late 19th century describe the maritime body as “Sea of Japan” or its variant – most likely influenced by the fact that Japan was open to the West while Korea remained tightly closed.

            There are enough maps in those era supportive of Korean side’s claim for the issue to be “contested” – not to mention the caveat that I must take as the information I have comes near 100% from Japanese source. But from what I can see, by the time IHO rolled around in 1928, even with representation Korea wasn’t going to be able to convince the others.

            But let’s not get distracted here. It is you who came here with an ironclad belief that Japan’s side is 100% correct in spite of enough evidence for the “widely accepted by the international community” to be *contested*. Otherwise, you wouldn’t have labeled the opposing argument made by VoKA “lies” and “misleading”, because they are rejecting the idea that “Sea of Japan” was widely accepted by the international community based on their own sets of maps.

            Now, let’s get back to the crux of the matter. VoKA, a group of American citizens, involved themselves in local politics by lobbying and campaigning. Japanese government, NOT a group of American citizens, involved themselves in local politics by threatening the local economy.

            Let’s review. American citizens vs. a foreign government. Lobbying and campaigning vs. ‘It sure would be a shame to negatively impact all those investments we made in you, Virginia’. It is ridiculous on both counts to call the former abusive, especially in juxtaposed to the latter. That has been the argument here this whole time. You know, before you came in to the discussion and actually STARTED the conversation by calling me “the super-patriot Japan-bad-Korea-good troll”.

            A really interesting accusation, given that you adamantly refuse to research what VoKA is actually arguing deeper than the text of the petition, and I’ve been saying that I actually think “Sea of Japan” is more reasonable choice than “East Sea”. Quite an aberration for a “super-patriot Japan-bad-Korea-good troll”, isn’t it?

            This is going to make for interesting reading.

            Look at this shit comment here. You started off with a personal attack, and you haven’t stopped since. Me feeling silly engaging you in spite of the clear evidence that you don’t warrant such attention is starting to win over my cursed need to respond to any and everything.

          • nonsmoker

            ‘Simply by the number of the maps, convincing majority of the maps starting in mid to late 19th century describe the maritime body as “Sea of Japan” or its variant – most likely influenced by the fact that Japan was open to the West while Korea remained tightly closed.’

            So,you know and agree with the claim that the sheer number of maps demonstrate the name Sea of Japan was created, established and widely accepted by the international community long before 1928. Its current name still being Sea of Japan – the name it was referred to prior to 1928 – it logically follows that this was never changed.

            And yet you spend 10+ comments claiming:

            ”JAPAN CHANGED “EAST SEA” (THE ORIGINAL NAME OF THE SEA bordered by Korea, Russia, and Japan) TO “SEA OF JAPAN’ in 1928″

            is not a lie.

            That is staggering. You’ve spent all that time defending the above VoKA petition claim when even you yourself do not believe it to be true and defend them from claims that they are lying . As your comment shows you’re well aware of the history of the name, and yet defend a misrepresentation of this.We both know what we call an intentional misrepresentation of truth, so there’s little point in your further hissy fits about the above claim being called a lie – you yourself know it is.

            ‘- simply stating your argument and declaring it as facts doesn’t make your opponents liars’.

            No, lying on petitions makes them liars. See above.

            The rest really is white noise from your side, and I see little point in debating anything further with someone who doesn’t really believe in what they are saying but argues merely to defend lies from a group they see themselves aligned with due only to nationality/ethnicity, even when those lies are intended to be indoctrinated into children.

            Chucky still hasn’t got back to me about that medal, by the way.

          • bumfromkorea

            You’ve spent all that time defending the above VoKA petition claim when even you yourself do not believe it to be true and defend them from claims that they are lying

            … Did you even read what I wrote? There are more than 2 sides to the story. Only little kids and zealots think in terms of “Us vs. Them”, and your whole setup is based on this idea.

            We both know what we call an intentional misrepresentation of truth, so there’s little point in your further hissy fits about the above claim being called a lie – you yourself know it is.

            Okay, you definitely didn’t read what I wrote. Go back up there and review. You’re getting confused here because you only see “Sea of Japan –> VoKA is lying” vs. “East Sea –> VoKA is not lying”, a false dichotomy (something a college freshman learns to reject in his first week in college) and a faulty logic.

            How can I be saying that VoKA is not lying when I agree with the “Sea of Japan” designation? Because your logical link between “Sea of Japan –> VoKA is lying” is incredibly weak (given that “widely accepted internationally” is not a bright-line and they *do* have counter-evidences supporting their side). You apparently think this nebulous boundary is clear as “Moon is round” vs. “Moon is square”; it’s not. It’s literally “Here are a bunch of maps showing Sea of Japan” vs. “Here are a bunch of maps showing East Sea”, and my opinion is that the former is of the stronger position. That doesn’t mean VoKA is lying; at *best* that means they’re wrong.

            The rest really is white noise from your side,

            This part is really revealing. All the diversities in opinions, all the counter-evidences, all the contexts? Just “white noise”. “from your side”, no less.

            and I see little point in debating anything further with someone who doesn’t really believe in what they are saying but argues merely to defend lies from a group they see themselves aligned with due only to nationality/ethnicity, even when those lies are intended to be indoctrinated into children.

            Look at yourself. Every. Single. Comment that you wrote here is chock full of personal attacks, ad hominem, and other various fun-sized logical fallacies. You’ve done nothing but call names and pose false dichotomy. You actually *started* this discussion with a personal attack, and have completely ignored the topic which is clearly designated by the title of the original post.

            Personal attacks, logical fallacies, and insisting on ignoring the actual topic. That’s your contribution to this discussion. It’s quite pathetic, actually.

          • nonsmoker

            ‘How can I be saying that VoKA is not lying when I agree with the “Sea of Japan” designation?’

            So you’re now saying VoKA were lying?

          • nonsmoker

            ‘And I never said “all the Japanese are the same”, not even close. If anything, I’ve said on multiple occasions the opposite of that.’

            ‘First, goddamn, it’s so creepy when people like you go back to comment history. It literally makes me shudder. Ewww…’

            It’s as a result of taking a cursory look at your comment history that I know the first comment is demonstrably untrue.

            - ‘as a result of’-

          • bumfromkorea

            Again, creepy as shit dude.

            I would sure as shit like to see a quote with a link where I said/claimed “all the Japanese are the same”. So much, that I’m willing to face your creepiness as you lovingly go through my comment history.

          • nonsmoker

            Given your trouble understanding a simple quote with the term ‘as a result of’, who knows what further confusion other quotes may cause in your poor, little head. Best leave the linguistics there for today.

          • bumfromkorea

            Insults and distractions from the issue. I love that you sling the term troll at me constantly, while demonstrating what a troll looks like with your action. It’s almost a meta-comedy.

          • nonsmoker

            See below. You’ve had a genuine problem understanding the term ‘as a result of’. Or have adopted VoKA’s style of ‘misunderstanding’ information?

          • noshitbutsmile

            nonsmoker. Sorry to insert my post here.

            So Let us all cut the craps, quiblling, and lets get that straight shall we?

            Korean Government was behind them VoKA. It is not equation but it is addition.

            In August, Marsden and his wife, Julia, spent a week in South Korea as guests of the Government of the Republic
            of Korea. He was invited to discuss his sponsorship of the “East Sea” bill, and also to present a resolution
            from the Southern Legislative Conference encouraging trade development between the United States and Korea.

            State Sen. Dave Marsden (D-37) talks with the chairman of the Korean Federation of Industries during a trip to South Korea in August
            Quote from the link above “What`s in a name”

            The Virginia bill follows a lobbying campaign by local Korean-Americans, and has been enthusiastically endorsed by the South Korean government,which spent $7,600 on a visit to Seoul by David Marsden, the legislator who sponsored it.

            http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/af2f385c-8d83-11e3-9dbb-00144feab7de.html#axzz2t7425o1e

            Korea Expenditure $7,600 for invitation
            Japan expenditure $75,000 for lobbying.
            Sure its big difference!

          • bumfromkorea

            The *whole* $7,600 spent on lobbying? Oh my god! That definitely overshadows the $1 BILLION worth of investments that the Japanese government was *threatening* the State of Virginia with!

            Again, you completely miss the point by ignoring the difference between lobbying and threatening. Seriously, let’s really cut the crap.

          • bibimbap

            I’ll just address one of your points that you’re using to get a lot of mileage from, the distinction between Koreans and Korean Americans. As a Korean American who has had these discussions with Koreans and Korean Americans, two words come up to my mind when you make that distinction to trump in a debate. Disingenious and hairsplitting.

            It’s not like a bunch of Texans deciding to create a previously non-existent naming issues between two African countries. It’s not even like a bunch of French-Americans in Maine deciding to campaign for the English Channel to be called or mentioned together with La Manche despite the French not caring about it.

            These are first generation Koreans and their immediate offsprings involved deeply in the atmosphere of Korean nationalism. Would someone have to always qualify his language in a debate by saying “Koreans in the supranational sense” all the time? When K-Am’s were ecstatic over Kim Yuna’s victory in the last Olympics you don’t think they were ecstatic as Koreans? (Not ignoring the subtle qualifications coming from immigrant experience, but the main point is clear.)

            These are Koreans, be they American or Korean nationals, using the same logic as Koreans, enflamed with the same passions as Koreans, and working for a cause commonly held by Koreans and Korean Americans, not withstanding internal critics in both communities.

            Would you be so generous in subtle consideration if a similar situation involved Japanese and recent Japanese immigrants?

          • bumfromkorea

            I’ll just address one of your points that you’re using to get a lot of mileage from,

            Which is interesting, because you only seem to be addressing *half* of a point.

            It is meaningless to argue that, since Korean Americans empathize with Korean nationals, it is logically acceptable to fuse the two groups into one. This completely misses the point that as American citizens (passports and all), they have the *right* to pursue whatever agenda that fits their viewpoint of the world. The entire point was that, when comparing American citizens exercising their constitutional rights and a Japanese government economically threatening the State of Virginia (a point that you and the two others here curiously continue to ignore), you chose the former as being nefarious. That’s you (don’t care what ethnicity you are) saying campaigning in your local government is more nefarious than a *foreign* government interfering with the local government. Why? Because they’re ethnically Korean, and you know what those Koreans are like.

            Every Gosei I know don’t give two shits about Japan. They’re more focused on issues like Japanese internment camp, Asian American political powers, etc. And great work on trying to distract from the topic at hand (which, again, should be a simple, clear one given that it’s the freaking title of the original post!). It didn’t work, but maybe next time.

          • bibimbap

            As I wrote in a lengthy comment below of Korean nationalism and its blindspots I don’t think there is intentional lying here. There is much to be displeased about Korean nationalism and I can say even worse things than intentional lying. But I don’t see blatant lying. Self-rationalization, ignorance of or unwillingness to review uncomfortable facts, a victim-makes-right attitude, etc., yes, but I don’t see baldfaced lying.
            I did say something along the lines of lying or blind/misguided. Despite the excusing “or” clause I have to admit I did use language that wasn’t helpful to discussion between people who might be willing to make things better. For that I am sorry to all parties. The past few years of downward spiral between the two nations has been depressing and anguishing, all the more so since my own people do carry a fair share of blame for the situation. I have no liking for Abe but Koreans should try to look in the mirror and see if everything so far is due only to some essential rightist Japanese trait. Certainly the Japanese can do better but so can Koreans too.

            Anyway, I’ll repeat again that I don’t see intentional lying in the Virginia case.

          • nonsmoker

            ‘Sorry, but when you open with accusing Korean Americans of “lying” and “intentionally misleading” in a subject that is, at best, contested, you lose all right to have my benefit of the doubt’

            Really? Please tell me about the how the sea came to be named so, and why it should be called the ‘East Sea’.

          • bumfromkorea

            I personally think there are enough disputes and historical records for “East Sea” to at least be considered an alternative name. “Sea of Japan” is, of course, the widely accepted maritime nomenclature now. If the Koreans wish to promote the name “East Sea” to other countries, it is their prerogative – there is absolutely no harm in *campaigning* for the name change.

            Japan, on the other hand, threatened the State of Virginia over what they decided to do locally. Korean Americans in Virginia have every right to change their local education, because they are *American* *citizens*. Japanese government have no business in threatening another country’s province economically over what they decided to do in their local education system.

            Do you understand this? I think you’re having hard time accepting the fact that VoKA is made of *American citizens*. Get that through your head. Whatever the State of Virginia teaches its kids is no one’s business except the American citizens who reside in the State of Virginia.

      • noshitbutsmile

        Just the facts

        the Ultimate goal for Korean government is OFFICIAL REPLACEMENT of the name of the sea
        (remarks made by 金星煥 Yonhap News 2011/08/12)

        Until it achieves the said goal, it has been claiming for and encouraging international org, (i,e IHO, UNCSGN) to add EAST SEA
        together.
        The rep of VANK officially stated its ultimate goal to add
        EAST SEA along with sea of Japan in all public schools of all 50united states.

        • bumfromkorea

          Korean government = VANK = Korean Americans in Virginia.

          There are two things wrong with that equation.

          • noshitbutsmile

            one mistake
            It is VoKA (Voice of Korean American), Peter Kim
            not VANK
            and it is not equation

          • bumfromkorea

            You’re citing the statement from “VANK” as a goal of the “Korean government” as an evidence against the political actions of the “Korean Americans”. Again, two things wrong with equating VANK to Korean government to Korean Americans. It’s not that hard to figure out.

          • noshitbutsmile

            you shold have post this after reading mine 4min ago

          • bumfromkorea

            You should probably also post a link of the article that you’re quoting.

          • noshitbutsmile

            Sorry. I decided just recentry not to bother to prove nything unless I want to. Truth does not matter anyway to someguys here. Please help yourself or ignore my posts.

          • bumfromkorea

            Making a claim and then refusing to provide source? You betcha I’ll be ignoring your posts from here on.

          • noshitbutsmile

            This forum is high school debate class? Always asking for source/link proves that 1) you didnot know or 2)you are just lazy. Either way, learn to use google if it is just news articles. its so easy. There are a lot more , including Japanese news which you would not believe anyway.

            Virginia legislators work with Korean American groups to push for “East Sea” in textbooks.
            http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2013/oct/16/whats-name/

            (LEAD) S. Korean lawmaker calls for budget hike for East Sea campaign
            http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2011/08/16/18/0301000000AEN20110816008600315F.HTML

            Agency rejects South Korea’s request to rename Sea of Japan
            http://www.stripes.com/news/pacific/korea/agency-rejects-south-korea-s-request-to-rename-sea-of-japan-1.175687

          • bumfromkorea

            This forum is high school debate class? Always asking for source/link proves that 1) you didnot know or 2)you are just lazy.

            Or, it’s just common sense to provide sources when claiming something… especially a quote. Who’s lazier – the guy who doesn’t want to provide links to his claims, or the guy who doesn’t want to look up the links for the guy who made the claims?

            But good for you. You provided the sources. Still doesn’t alleviate the fact that Korean government =/= Korean Americans in Virginia. The Korean American organization wants a dual use of East Sea /Sea of Japan. The Minister of Foreign Affairs of Republic of Korea has zero bearing on what Korean AMERICANS do, think, or want.

            So again, let’s review the original context.

            Korean Americans: Hey, our local political representatives. This is what we want for OUR local education system.

            Virginia government: Hmm… Okay, then.

            Japanese government: Hey, another country’s province that we have no jurisdiction or rightful political input over. This is what we want for YOUR local education system. Do it or we’ll economically slap you.

            Commenters here: What the fuck is wrong with these Koreans?

            Seriously, it’s not that hard of a concept. You just gotta remember that, despite the fact that you already have hard time distinguishing VANK and VOKA, the Korean Americans are not Koreans or the Korean government, but AMERICAN CITIZENS and RESIDENTS OF VIRGINIA.

          • noshitbutsmile

            I said “It is not eqation” in the post you had missed initially.

            The laziest is the one who didnot know, dont look up to have common sense beforehand, always ask for it, dont answer to the question made by nonsmoking.

            btw What KOREAN ambassdor was doing in the hoopla of regional state educational issue of UNITED STATES OF AMERICA? Why AMERICAN citizens asked help from KOREAN embassy to join the hoopla of regional education problem of UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?
            Do you know what a newly created word , “Virginian Model”
            means?

          • bumfromkorea

            Again, you miss the scale of difference between the Korean ambassador supporting VoKA and the Japanese government economically threatening the State of Virginia. Literally, you miss this fundamental point that the State of Virginia was (again, because you’re really missing the point here) economically threatened. By a foreign government.

            Let’s repeat it a third time, because apparently there’s a Red and White colored mental shield that seems to be blocking this from your mind. Japanese government THREATENED the State of Virginia with its investments over the State of Virginia’s education system.

            The laziest is the one who didnot know, dont look up to have common sense beforehand, always ask for it, dont answer to the question made by nonsmoking.

            Not even the basics of common discussion rule is being held up by you. If you make a claim, it’s on you to prove it, not others to disprove it first. Only children and Fundamentalist [insert a religion] argue like that. And such people should be ignored.

          • noshitbutsmile

            Scale of difference, the favorite term of your-likes. lol
            OK then you can ignore my last question but better answer to the question from nonsmoking unanswered yet. chao

          • nonsmoker

            So let’s get this straight, the SK government do not support or endorse this move?

            If they do, your post is completely pointless and functions only to distract from the main argument. Unsurprisingly.

  • bibimbap

    And here is this piece of rubbish displaying the typical mosaic of half-truths, nationalist tunnel-vision, leaps of illogic, and lack of integrity that so characterize Korean reporting on things Japanese.

    http://www.koreadaily.com/news/read.asp?art_id=2293464

    “East Sea는 한민족 전래 영토” The whole body of ocean belongs to Koreans? But surely this is a more expansive claim than anything from the Japanese, who just like the current name but still understand that name and possession are two different things. Who has the evil territorial ambitions now?

    But wait! The bill seems to say something else! Can it be that our pure and innocent Korean reporter misquoted for some daily dose of nationalism? It can’t be, right? But then how do you square that with the language of the bill “한반도는 동해와 서해(East and West Seas)를 경계로 하는 한민족 조상 전래의 영토” which only refers to the peninsula?

    Slyly making Big White Brother look like he is supporting the Koreans’ impossible claim on international waters and then backing off later.

    And what is this puerile need for a pat on the head from Big White Brother, something that visitors to Korea have always noticed. “조지아주 상원은 앞으로도 이 위대한 나라(great nation)와의 국제적 유대관계를 공고히 할 것”이라고 밝혔다. Oh, thank you! May the great state of Georgia be blessed for seeing us for the great nation that we are. Thank you! Thank you!
    And there is the fundamental disengenuousness at the heart of the article. It doesn’t tell us what the resolution is about! Is it about the name dispute itself? Is the name East Sea introduced in a resolution pertaining to larger matters beyond Korea? Or is it something so intrinsically tied to Korea that it only makes sense to use that name? As it stands it just seems like empty chest-thumping.
    But such quibbles need to suppressed if one is to be sane in an atmosphere of poisoned nationalism that reeks from the Korean papers on a daily basis.

    • chucky3176

      “”East Sea는 한민족 전래 영토” The whole body of ocean belongs to Koreans?”

      No, that’s not what it says. Nowhere does it say the “entire body of ocean belongs to Koreans”. The part of East Sea has always been part of Korea for centuries, so the statement is not exactly inaccurate. You’re quoting it entirely out of context.

      “And what is this puerile need for a pat on the head from Big White Brother, something that visitors to Korea have always noticed. “조지아주 상원은 앞으로도 이 위대한 나라(great nation)와의 국제적 유대관계를 공고히 할 것”이라고 밝혔다. Oh, thank you! May the great state of Georgia be blessed for seeing us for the great nation that we are. Thank you! Thank you!”

      That is quoting from the Georgia official introducing the bill. We all know that he’s after the votes. And the American politician is not entirely wrong either. It is a great nation that it stands proud today. I’m sorry if that hurts you so much.

      • bibimbap

        I am Korean so lets not play loose with the meaning of sentences. East Sea is 한민족 전래 영토 means East sea is the traditonal territory of the Korean people. Might you enlighten me on where the clause limiting the extension of the term East Sea is? And instead of throwing the accusation of quoting out of context why don’t you own up to the fact that the reporter put that phrase at the top WITHOUT CONTEXT and then revealed that the resolution actually said that the PENNINSULA is the traditional territory of the Korean people. Who is quoting out of context? Or does your nationalism give you a free pass when it comes to owning up to flaunting the minimum standards of intellectual integrity?

        And as for the politician after the votes thing. It seems you need better reading comprehension skills, as in what is the point of a passage. I was pointing out Koreans’ constant need for external validation from status figures, not the politickings of Georgia. And that sociological fact is hard to deny.

        I don’t care one way or the other whether Korea is a great nation or not. I am sure you are heavily invested in the notion, and that is not a compliment nor saying you are a patriot. I’d rather it was a decent nation than what it is now. And in the context of this discussion it is anything but an honest player. This does not make me a Japan lover but someone tired that he has to deal with superpatriots like you whose constant logic is that Korea is right and Japan is wrong in the most shamelessly self-justificatory ways.

        • chucky3176

          That is correct. It says:

          “East sea is the traditonal territory of the Korean people.”

          Where does it say the entire East Sea belongs to Korean people? If Koreans didn’t traditionally call it the East Sea then what did they call it?

          • bibimbap

            Look the reporter misquoted the resolution for the subheading. A mistake that you are letting slide.

            And I don’t get your question. The quote refers to the body of water as belonging to Koreans. If you can’t see that “traditional TERRITORY” is equivalent to talking about belonging and that mentioning East Sea without qualification means the whole thing I am afraid your brains are addled. 말장난하는 거에요???

            Also, if the mention of East Sea doesn’t mean the entire thing why are Koreans then trying to get that name to replace the Sea of Japan? If the meaning is so limited to the territorial waters off the coast, fine, there’s no argument between Koreans and world usage.

            Also, can you imagine how Koreans would react if a Japanese politician said the Sea of Japan traditionally belongs to Japan? Double standard anyone?

            I think you want the quote to mean the East Sea is the traditional name (명칭) of the Korean people for the body of water now called Sea of Japan, or something like that. But it does not say that and if you were intellectually honest you’ll admit it.

            As for other readers of this exchange, both Korean and non, this serves as an example of the sheer obstinacy and tribal defense mechanisms of much of Korean thinking on Japanese issues. Covering up for compatriots mistakes, mixing up issues, stretching meaning of plain statements in one’s favor, etc. Yes, it is ugly when Japanese do it but superpatriots like the above find it easy to crap on another but can’t see that the best patriotism is seeing one’s own mistakes and improving oneself.

          • chucky3176

            And I don’t get your question. The quote refers to the body of water as belonging to Koreans. If you can’t see that “traditional TERRITORY” is equivalent to talking about belonging and that mentioning East Sea without qualification means the whole thing I am afraid your brains are addled. 말장난하는 거에요???

            No I’m not playing with words. Since you seem to be suggesting that this sentence in this one article proves that Koreans believe the entire East Sea belongs to Koreans, please prove with sources where any Korean claims the entire East Sea / Sea of Japan belongs to Koreans.

            “Also, if the mention of East Sea doesn’t mean the entire thing why are Koreans then trying to get that name to replace the Sea of Japan?”

            Look, the Koreans are being generous here, they could have tried to change it to “Sea of Korea”, or worse, “East Sea of Korea”. OK, just a joke, so don’t go rampaging mad.

          • bibimbap

            You are being slippery here. Both of us above were talking about the article and now, since you can’t defend it, you want to talk to talk about all Korean perceptions?

            I mentioned the article as an example of nationalistic reporting, you defended that article, you lost, and now you want to talk about another animal altogether? Grow some balls and man up to your mistake.

          • chucky3176

            “Both of us above were talking about the article and now, since you can’t defend it, you want to talk to talk about all Korean perceptions?”

            My point is nowhere in the article, as you are saying, that I see that the Koreans are claiming the ENTIRE East Sea is all Korean territory, as you are saying.

            And talk about misrepresentation. How do you come up with “Koreans trying to get that name to replace the Sea of Japan”?? The bill in Virginia states that the name “East Sea” shall be ADDED along with “Sea of Japan”. Yeap that’s right folks, the evil Koreans are not trying to “replace” the name of Sea of Japan, but they just want to add the “East Sea”. But Japan and poster named bibimbap are vehement and angry that the name of the sea shall stay “Sea of Japan” only. We can’t have the East Sea anywhere in the text book! No sir! This is outrage! This is example of Korean conspiracy to destroy Japan!

  • noshitbutsmile

    realty check

    Oh boy…KKK… Very Very TypicaI in such forum like this.
    Pissed off so badly Huh? lol.

    Good to find out, after a couple of day, what kind of guys
    hanging around day and night in such limited world so that
    now I know I dont have to hold myself in this little forum.

    It was also very good to confirm that my assumption to YOU and
    some other guys here masterbating eachothers was correct.
    “Born to hate” or “Born to be taught to hate” whatever. It showed up
    just like that and you cannot control your subconscious hatred at all.
    Too bad your step-Japanese papa nor Japanese pals couldnt teach you that.
    Yeah #born to be taught naturally to hate Japanese” means so little
    capacity and so narrow-minded attitude and behavior once things come out
    in relation to korean and Japanese history . Fu** Darwin-sh*t lol.
    I am putting * just in case the post won’t go through being withheld.
    you should nt overlook them. Didnt you get it?

    And yet, I admit that I was alittle surprized to find out there is a korean
    guy unlike you a grownup airhea*, who owns fair eyes and common sense who
    dares to stop foolish masterbations among the small ethnic group in US.

    Try to learn from this korean guy who just completely refuted your big brother
    korean guy. Go ask him to teach you to change the way to look at things
    around you.

    Wait, How old are you?? dont you tell me you have any kids? Dont you dare
    to teach them to grow up in vain just like you, you just end up
    with brainwashing them OK..lol Amazing you could manage your staffs who
    are reporting to you? amazing. what a company. you are actually not 13yr
    old nasty troll in 2ch?

    Anyway try to grow balls and up just a little more up to the
    limited space within rest of your brain during rest of your life.

    Well, I have just got my popcoons lol lol and watching Olympic
    is much more fun than postings to the garbage like you, so my reply could
    be delayed if you want them, OK? and take it easy if my englishwritings are
    still not cool and dirty enough, lol lol .

    Here for you not to overlook my reply, I put it on the top so that I can be your help
    doing such great jobs again to make koreans look any better in this forum.

    Quote from reality check replies to noshitbutsmile====

    LOL I rick rolled your ass. look it up!

    Now that make 2 successful rick rolls I have done to strangers.

    You are such a little wuss, grow the fuck up…LOL! ooops I used dirty words again! like everyone else on this… like your FU***G WHAT comment… because you asterix’s to mask your words do not make then “not” dirty. MODERATOR! MODERATOR! HE USED BAD WORDS! DELETE HIS COMMENTS!!! pathetic… truly a combo shaking my head and face palm moment… lol…

    Core truths? in this specific sub thread you did not talk about “comfort women,Nanking Battle, U731, Sea Name hoopla, Japanese apology history listings”… All the post I responded to you on were when you posted gibberish and tried to steer things off topic, with post of a dog, fat girl and utter BS. Let me make this clear… you and I did not post back and forth on any of your “core” topics… selective memory, cherry picking… typical…

    You had one sub thread with Chucky about the naming only. So now it’s prove you are liar and a petty little suck to have flagged my direct response. I guess I struck a nerve… LOL

    So what I use a few cuss/dirty words. The bast majority of the
    post were pointed responses to all of your comments. Grow the fuck up
    child! I said much harsher things earlier, so you better get busy and
    start flagging! LOL

    As far as I am concerned, mission accomplished! but I cannot take pride in vexing you because it was too easy. Just face it you got trolled by someone with a much higher IQ than you. ^__^

    OH! maybe I have offended you with… oh yes… you call
    me Pal, I told you not to call me that because I would not be a Pal
    with a looser like you. Suck it up! you little effeminate, sensitive
    lady boy.

    I stated that I don’t care if you think I hate
    Japanese. I who are you for me to prove anything too. I also stated that its your Government and
    the right wing (which obvious includes you).

    Your “born to hate” amended to “born to learn hate” assumption IS flawed. If only you had the brain power to process it… If you cannot handle direct responses or put up with the truth then life
    is going to be a bit of rough ride. You little cunt faggot. OH NO!!! MORE DIRTY WORDS!!! GO TELL YOUR OBAACHAN OR OKASAN!! LMFAO!

    Moderate
    why would you remove my post? what in it was offensive? the rick roll
    video? I thought it was a touch of humor in response to this little girls drivel. If you think this is too harsh then feel free to remove
    this post as well. I have no feelings or cares if you do.

  • noshitbutsmile

    Bumfromkorea and others left on this

    Was it Threat/Blackmail or just genuine expression of worry? I dont like the way How this Newsis is being written.

    I have no wonder why Japanese govt gets this serious even to this regional oneoff -looking issue.

    quote”
    An executive from Canon – the Japanese camera company with a large complex in Newport News – called a local state senator just to make its position clear on this bill: The company would prefer that Virginia not suggest the Sea of Japan might also be called the East Sea.

    It wasn’t a threat, state Sen. John Miller said. More like “a statement of fact,” he said

    quote”
    “Virginia should not be telling textbook writers what to include and what not to include,” he said. “Where’s it going to stop? The next thing we’re going to be putting into is the Civil War is also known as the ‘War of Northern Aggression.’”

    http://articles.dailypress.com/2014-01-27/news/dp-nws-sea-of-japan-virginia-0125-20140127_1_virginia-senate-japanese-embassy-senate-bill

    • bumfromkorea

      Of course, you leave out these bits in the same article:

      It flared tempers on the Virginia Senate floor last week. The Japanese embassy has hired five lobbyists to press its case. The embassy sent Gov. Terry McAuliffe a letter that reads a good bit like a threat, and its ambassador met with the speaker of the house on the matter.

      But the official embassy letter to McAuliffe – sent before he was inaugurated and signed by chief ambassador Kenichiro Sasae – calls the bill “highly problematic.” It says this bill and others like it have gotten a lot of media attention in Japan and “if enacted, I worry that Japanese affinity towards Virginia could be hampered.”

      “Japan has been the second largest source of foreign direct investment in Virginia, with almost $1 billion dollars in the last five years,” the letter states.

      “I would like to see such cooperation to be further promoted,” it continues. “I fear, however, that the positive cooperation and the strong economic ties between Japan and Virginia may be damaged if the bills are to be enacted.”

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