Lawmaker Charged with Pro-North Korean Conspiracy

For the past week, Korean media have been dominated with updates on the investigation into National Assembly Member Lee Seok-ki‘s alleged conspiracy to incite armed insurrection and attack South Korean infrastructure in case of a North Korean invasion. Today, footage emerged of the pandemonium as members of South Korea’s National Intelligence Service carried out a search of Lee’s office within the National Assembly building:

Online, Koreans have talked about little else besides the investigation, why it was carried out now, and what it means to President Park Geun-hye. In a perfect illustration of the political leanings among users of Korea’s top internet portals, there was a clear division between the progressive comments on Daum and the conservative voices at Naver.

From Yonhap News:

National Assembly member Lee Seok-ki charged with rebellion conspiracy

It has been confirmed that lawmaker Lee Seok-ki of the United Progressive Party (UPP) and several others are charged with conspiracy to stage a rebellion involving destroying national infrastructure and killing citizens. On 28th, the NIS raided about ten places, including Lee’s office, and arrested three individuals: Hong Sun-seok, vice chairman of the UPP’s Gyeonggi branch, Lee Sang-ho, advisor of the Gyeonggi Progressive Coalition, and Han Dong-geun, former chairman of the Suwon city board.

The targets of the investigation explained that they met Assembly Member Lee immediately following his election to the 19th Session of the National Assembly, where he conspired to attack elements of the national infrastructure. The NIS confirmed that among the evidence for their claims are recordings of Assembly Member Lee saying “in case of an emergency, have weapons ready.” The NIS is pursuing criminal charges of inciting rebellion because of the reported plans to kill large numbers of people and attack infrastructure. Investigators from the NIS searched the Suwon home of Advisor Lee Sang-ho under a warrant alleging plans to “destroy communication and gas facilities”.

The family of Advisor Lee said the NIS was alleging that “during May of 2013, Lee joined a secret meeting with approximately 130 other individuals at a location near Seoul, where they conspired to destroy communication facilities for southern Gyeonggi Province and gas facilities.” Using evidence from an internal investigation about the suspects, the NIS is also bringing charges under the National Security Law of creating an anti-Korean organization, praising North Korea, and sympathizing with the enemy. Advisor Lee came to the attention of investigators during January when he applauded chasing down the NIS employee and accused the Service of spying on civilians. A representative from the investigation stated that “the NIS has received a warrant for the arrest of these three individuals…if everything goes according to plan, they will be placed into custody on the 29th.”

There has been no application for an arrest warrant for current National Assembly Member Lee Seok-ki. Typically, an investigation will seek the approval of the National Assembly following an application to arrest an active member. However, in cases where the crime is ongoing, it is possible to make an immediate arrest. While the NIS is working on its investigation of the three individuals arrested on the 28th, it will also be analyzing the documents and digital records it seized from their offices. However, the NIS has refused to confirm the target of their investigation for this particular incident.

Comments from Naver:

cgp8****:

The NIS even secured audio recordings! They must have been working for a long time to catch them red-handed!!!!

ucan****:

Meanwhile Lee Seok-ki quietly disappeared… How can someone like him be a member of the National Assembly… What happened to his confident posture?

meca****:

Immediately recall and interrogate Lee Jung-hee, heavyweight of the Gyeonggi Eastern Coalition as well.

sks3****:

What matters is the facts… Thoroughly investigate and punish them based on concrete evidence.

tiak****:

The United Progressive Party is also hated by Korean progressives… It’s obvious that progressives are not condoning them like in the past. In this situation, the NIS should do their job to eradicate the Jongpuk and get back to their original purpose. Nam Jae-hee should immediately resign.

lanc****:

How can a spy be a member of the National Assembly….

tong****:

This is madness for real, ke ke ke. A National Assembly member was planning to overthrow his own country, ke ke ke.

ligh****:

Plotting to kill citizens, damn. Hey everybody who was in those damn candlelight protests during the mad cow disease hoax, lying about how the disease can be spread through the air, where are your protests now?

ucan****:

There is nothing new about the UPP’s spying charges…but the DUP saying they will watch carefully and stepping back is even more disgusting. These people tried to seize power… Please wake up.

aria****:

ke ke ke, whenever I watch soccer, I am still reminded of Kim Dae-jung who was in Japan to watch a soccer match while our soldiers lost their lives fighting North Koreans in the Yellow Sea in 2002.

Assembly Member Lee's staff block the entrance to their office against the NIS.

Assembly Member Lee’s staff block the entrance to their office against the NIS.

Comments from Daum:

하늘아래푸름님:

Care to show us those audio recordings? -_-

불꽃바람님:

ke ke ke, it smells fishy…really…NIS…After the internet comment scandal…I can’t trust them…bunch of thugs working for the throne….

내공이빠이님:

If what’s written in the article is true…why did Lee Seok-ki ever become a National Assembly member rather than just working on a rebellion? ke ke ke, it reads like a bad movie…

피낭코님:

Sigh, history is going backward;; God damn Korea~~~

언제나 처음처럼님:

From the perspective of the NIS and Saenuri Party, isn’t half of our population Jongpuk lefty commies? Like food ingredients they take out from the fridge and cook as they please… We don’t know the truth yet…but I can trust this because incidents like this have always happened since the era of Park Chung-hee’s Democratic Republican Party up until today. The most effective way to force people to do your bidding is to instill fear in them. It doesn’t only apply to our parents’ generation who experienced the Korean War. Just like the pseudo-religions that exploit believers through fear.

나무가지님:

Damn NIS spooks are trying to distract everyone from the real problem.

우왕ㅋ굳ㅋ님:

The NIS is trying so hard to make a distraction. They have gone all the way to even arrest a current National Assembly member. It seems they are implementing the “Protect Park Guen-hye” project. The last chapter of the NIS’s mad strategy.

충무공님:

Her daddy [Park Chung-hee] murdered innocent people through the People’s Revolutionary Party incident. Is she trying to repeat it? Spine-chillingly like father, like daughter. F*ck.

깨어깨어님:

Plotting to blow up national infrastructure? What year is this, 1988? Even a bad movie should make sense…..

KEY-님:

After reading these comments on Daum, I think a rebellion is actually plausible.

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  • commander

    It appears that national consensus surrounding the alleged rebellion conspiracy by a progressive lawmaker can be forged amid the foggy political landscape over a stalled probe into a suspected NIS’s 2008 presidential election meddling.

    First, rival parties can agree on the eradication of any insurrection attempts and harsh punishment of masterminds if charges brought are confirmed.

    Second, two issues–continuing scrutiny into the alleged NIS misconduct in the presidential poll, and investigation into the rebellion charge–should go separately. But the latter should be transferred to the prosecution as the agency under parlimentary investigation can afford to neforce its duty without political motivation of avoiding reform axe that is floating around Yeouido.

    Third, President Park should be more specific about the opposition calls for a thorough probe into the NIS scandal. Ms. Park recently said that she didn’t benefit from the NIS online smear camapaign against the opposition presidential candidate on an election stump. If so, there is no reason to oppose rigorous investigation calls.

    Fourth, the opposition DUP may view the timing of the NIS raid on the lawmaker’s office on rebellion charges as politically motivated, thus distancing itself from its onetime smaller coalition partner UPP, a party the charged lawmaker belongs to. The shocking incident is a heavy blow to the DUP’s political ground, but it should not dilute its calls for comprehensive reforms of the NIS, which has been accused of systematic interferences in presidential polls in favor of incumbents during the past military dictatorships.

  • commander

    There is no doubt that those charged with national security law breaches should be subject to harsh punishment if the charges are proven with conrete evidence.

    What is interesting here is, however, whether they really believe in a possible North Korean invasion in coincidence with which they would begin attacking South Korean infrastructure.

    North Korea is anemic with dire poverty, having no military capabilities to fend off extended nuclear deterrence from the Unuted States for its ally South Korea when Pyongyang launches any assault on its southern counterpart.

    They are all fools in that they dont recognize that North Korea’s pursuit of forcible reunification has long gone up in the smoke since it decided to stick to isolationist policy.

    In a developing illustration, China shows the open-door policy introducing the marekt economy is a prerequisite for national prosperity, which North Korea has stubbornly rejected to accept for its regime survival at the expense of innumerable deaths by starvation, forced hard labor and firing squads.

    • takasar1

      china will be out soon, just needs to swipe the natural resources from the north

      • commander

        I dont understand what you are saying.
        Given me some more words.

        • takasar1

          china is after rare earth minerals in the north of north korea. north korea is astronomically richer is natural resources than the south. rare earth exploitation in china is having far too large of an impact on the environment, it would be best for the ccp to either outsource production or import at cheap prices from north korea. i dont think china wants NK as a buffer for eternity, imo, china will soon begin to crave admiration from other states (as it gets stronger), ditching NK would then be a nice option on the path to china becoming what the US deems ‘a respectable international citizen’ (ironic right?). right now it can choose to exploit NK and by doing so will strengthen north korea’s economy

      • RothschildIsMoney

        Or maybe you have no idea and full of shit.

        • takasar1

          true, that is a possibility, or maybe you’re an uneducated imbecile. what’s more likely?

          • lasolitaria

            Really? Of course being full of shit is easier! (not saying you are, though)

    • kekeke

      why is koreabang,chinasmack,japancrush so outdated?Is there any other websites which are up to dated

      • Brett

        Because none of the aforementioned websites are “news journals”, they are blogs.

        • tnrc75

          So? There are informed blogs and this is definitely one of them. It’s free. Appreciate it.

      • Ami

        These blog posts aren’t super easy to make. They have to format them, add videos and translate the news article + comments. They even find slang and metaphor equivalents in english.
        I agree that sometimes it can get stagnate but you have to appreciate what these people are doing.

      • lee_hyung_ju

        If you are looking for more frequent updates about news in Korea, I would recommend you go to Yonhap Korea’s English page, they translate all of their major news stories. koreaBANG will never have the resources or staff to update more than a few times a week, but we hope you enjoy our content and the unique viewpoints available here.

        • kekeke

          ok thanks buddy.Is yonhap a private entity or government owned?

          • commander

            The Wikipedia search will deliver you a satisfactory answe for that question.

        • tnrc75

          You guys are fantastic. I appreciate reading the translations and the comments.

    • justanotherday

      I hope that China invades and takes over North Korea and turns it into their province. I am Korean and for the sake of North Korean civilians and their continued suffering, I rather have them be taken over by China than South Korea, incompetent people entitled to the northern lands because of blood, obviously United States and South Korea are never willing to take the matter into their own hands, why not China, perfect position to wipe out Kim Jong Un and place his older brother Kim Jong Nam, and slowly extract all the material out of North Korea. At least the people of North Korea will have a better life. It’s no longer about Koreans or Chinese, it’s about saving humans.

      • commander

        You need to understand the dynamic of China -US rivalry on the Korean Peninsula when you think about changes in North Korea.

        First, the partition of the peninsula into two Koreas in the wake of the 1945 liberation from the Japanese colonization reflects the balance of powers between the continenyal and maritime powers. This reflection means that any push for changes on the peninsula will spark automatic intervention from the other side.

        Specifically, the Chinese annexation of North Korea intoa province, no matter what reasons it has, will provoke furious opposition from South Korea and breed fears among smaller neighboring countries of its expansionist ambition that threatens their security.

        South Korea will have every reason to doubt that such a southward thrust will continue on to swallow Seoul, or fear that Seoul will be reduced to a satellite city to the increasingly formidable sphere of the Chinese economy that is in expansion with its FTA strageies in East Asia.

        For its part, the United States will not remaind idle to see what it views as a grave challenge against its dominant status in the region as Washinton might think that if it back down in the face of China’s aggressiveness, South China Sea, by extension, will turn into Beijing’s backyard, forcing the United States to make more concessions–an anayhema that the world’s mightiest country wants last.

        As the prominent proverb say there is neither permanent friend nor enemy in international politics, implying to South Korea that how risky South Korea’s possible reliance on China will be when it comes to North Korean issues.

        • justanotherday

          I only care about the people of North Korea and I hate seeing them suffer because of politics. Whoever has the will and power to take North Korea (definitely not South Korea as it’s currently run by a women), just fucking take it. Lot of South Koreans feel the same. They don’t want North Korea to join South Korea but feel conflicted at the human rights violations.

          And let the Kim dynasty hold their power, feed their people, not that fat pig.

    • ronn19645

      well said mate.

  • KCdude

    Here’s a lesson for everyone who lives in South Korea. Whether they’re good or not, never ever trust anybody in South Korea. One doesn’t simply trust a Korean.

    • commander

      If you live in South Korea, should we distrust your claim?

      • KCdude

        If you are a foreigner like me, a conservative-leaning Korean-Canadian, then yes, trusting a Korean is a very bad thing. Distrusting someone doesn’t always mean something bad for the sake of my safety. You’ll never know. You might be a communist spy for instance.

        • Guest

          Why don’t you move back to Canada ayee and let those sneaky untrustworthy Koreans kill each other.. You don’t understand what’s that aboot anyways..

          • KCdude

            Thanks for the suggestion though. And yeeah, I agree with the “let those sneaky untrustworthy Koreans kill each other” remark.

          • justanotherday

            this is fucked up. you are suggesting genocide against your own people. I may hate native Koreans because of their machiavelian tendencies but no way in hell would I ever wish for a fucking genocide for any fucking race. I don’t care what goes on in Korea but genocide is a different matter son.

          • KCdude

            It’s a proof that I passionately hate Koreans.

          • justanotherday

            you hate your mother and father too cuz they are a gook just like you and me

          • KCdude

            More like I don’t want to ‘positively’ associate with people who want to commit genocide to each other.

        • kim jong-un

          never trust a foreigner in south korea — they could be a capitalist spy, for instance. in any case, trusting non-koreans is a very bad thing.

          • KCdude

            It’s ridiculously very difficult to trust people from a country where it is a democracy but with a very undemocratic society. Really. I honestly want to trust South Koreans but their undemocratic culture makes me think it’s wiser to distrust them.

          • dk2020

            So fucked up politics and government corruption reflects all of the people? Paranoid and ignorant but its very Korean of you to mistrust strangers..

          • KCdude

            To the South Koreans, of course it’s true that messed up government and politics reflects all people. And it’s not a Korean thing to distrust strangers. Yeah, distrusting strangers is a universal phenomenon.

          • dk2020

            smh .. do you even know the history of korean politics?? koreans didn’t even have voting rights until the 1980′s and that was achieved through protests by students with violent oppression by the govt like the kwangju massacre .. koreans are clannish and have a bit of crab mentality .. with gyopos like you and me theres internalized racism too .. but whatevers dude I don’t trust you either ddongkamo .. but I won’t say don’t trust all koreans thats just retarded ..

          • KCdude

            Here’s the problem. I know the history of Korean politics too well. And I understand that the clannish approach to run a society would bring down the South Korean democracy for good. I predict that South Korea will become an oppressive dictatorship once again in 10 years from now.

            But eh, at least thanks for kissing my Canadian ass. After all, I’m proud to be a loyal subject to my Queen, the truest representation of democracy in this world, something that South Koreans lack because of their anti-democratic culture.

          • dk2020

            who dafuq is the queen in canadia? french canadians adhere to that bullshit too? smh, yeah dude all that struggle and bloodshed for democracy and korea will revert back to a dictatorship you’re a byungshin .. its nepotism in politics .. right wingers in control want to take out the left and use communism as an excuse .. but doesn’t that prove there’s a division in politics?

          • justanotherday

            KCdude is fucked in the head if he thinks we are feudal subject of the British Empire, he must have time travelled into the future from 19fucking10.

            There will be no dictatorship in Korea unless North Korea becomes a threat. China if not hostile to United Korea will also reap huge economic rewards, but if China is hostile, you will see a return of military dictatorship with the full support of united states, once again viewing the korean peninsula as the lynchpin of their influence in the Pacific Region (USPACOM).

          • justanotherday

            WHY DO YOU KEEP SAYING THAT BULLSHIT ABOUT BEING A LOYAL SUBJECT TO THE QUEEEN, THAT’S SOME OLD DIRT BAG HOE REAL CANADIANS DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT. REAL CANADIANS DONT NEED SOME FUCKING WILLY WONKA CUNT TELLING US HOW TO RUN IN OUR FOREST.

          • tnrc75

            The Queen is simply on the throne on account of being born at the right time and in the right place. She is pretty much part of something that’s the OPPOSITE of democracy.

          • justanotherday

            He’s not saying being Canadian automatically makes him above all other Koreans although this is pretty much how I feel these days. Internalization of Canadian (white) culture and I find myself finding Koreans abhorrently intolerable. I want nothing to do with Koreans unless they have a dash in their label. ex) Korean-Canadians or Korean-Americans I think I’m cool with just not FOB pure racist Korean gesekis

          • linette lee

            Are you korean? Can I trust you? ;)

          • dk2020

            nope .. I ain’t your friend and with your ugly personality I don’t want to be either .. kick rocks ..

          • justanotherday

            You can trust me because I am Korean Canadian and not just a Korean. This Korean-Canadian label is predominantly how we identify ourselves, although with varying degree of “Koreanness”. I find most KC folks are conservative, hardworking. Most fob korean girls are super slutty, and poor (living off their parent’s debt from loan sharks in korea).

          • justanotherday

            This I will agree, I also find lot of native Koreans to be untrustworthy and they should all go back to their fucking country if they can’t speak the language or willing to abide by our culture and laws.

        • commander

          It would be better to say that when you meet a strange person, you need to be cautious before building relationship with the person.

          Whether to make deeper ties or not depends on what he or she is like.

          That doesnt mean complete trust or distrust, eithet of which is possible in a case.

          But I think having distrust when meeting a person is as dangerous as giving total trust to the person.

    • justanotherday

      shut the fuck up, you are a disgrace to all Korean Canadians, and you are just a fucking kid who haven’t even graduated from elementary school, a puppy which is a day old, doesn’t fear a tiger, an old korean proverb you should keep close to your heart.

      • KCdude

        I identify myself as a Korean-Canadian from South Korea. This doesn’t automatically mean that I have to defend South Koreans. It’s true that I have never attended elementary school in South Korea. After all, I am a Canadian, not a South Korean. I’m loyal to my Queen, not to a petty Asian democratic republic that ‘hypocritically’ disrespects democracy.

        Please stop with the insults like fuck and fucking. It makes you very emotional and irrational.

        • justanotherday

          No true Canadian is loyal to the fucking Queen, we’ve been trying to free ourselves from that old cunt for a very long time. As Korean Canadian myself, I know all too well about native Koreans and their cunning and calculating tendencies. I fucking hate fobs, I hate ignorant Koreans (have met very few who are actually capable of logic) who keep spreading shit about Korea that nobody gives a fuck about. It makes me cringe when I see Lee Young Ae’s face plastered next to a stinky bowl of BiBimBap, common man’s artifact from left over banchans after the King has thrown it out in the streets.

    • tnrc75

      OK well that’s a agreat way to live life. Yes, work over here, make a nice living, and then shit on everyone. Great idea.

  • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

    Well here’s hoping this doesn’t ignite a witch hunt.

    • SalarymaninSeoul

      Heres hoping that it does. Its not just lee, its pretty much the UPP and they need to be removed from public life as well. The whole left is now pretty much tainted and hopefully this is a pretext for a wide net casting.

    • KCdude

      I hope this witch hunt bring doom to every political party in South Korea. Because you know, South Korean politicians of any political spectrum cause immense troubles to ordinary South Korean citizens and foreigners who make a living in South Korea.

  • takasar1

    koreans hate park chung hee it seems (from i hear anyway) but do any of them know where they would be without him? can any of them say they would be better off today with him? that number 15 place they love to boast about (gdp) may never have come to be if it werent for park chung hee. when did having the right to safely bitch and moan about your leaders (democracy) become preferable to the ability to regularly put food on the table?

    • bumfromkorea

      The *EXACT* same thing can be said about Stalin, Mao, Putin, and quite a number of inhumane dictators in the 20th century. A leader’s economic performance has absolutely *no* bearing on whether the leader was a horrific c*nt or not.

      • takasar1

        well…i disagree with the last bit, enhanced economic performance, especially after decades of turmoil is best for a nation, it is exactly what the people need. there is a reason why a middle class is first needed before one usually transitions into a ‘democracy’, poor people want food on the table, they dont care about a piece of paper drawing up their ‘rights’ (at least not at that stage). as for the first part, you are quite obviously wrong. mao engineered growth for half a decade but then destroyed all his early gains post 1958. in short, he did nothing but bad for the economy. putin was far better recieved in his first term when the russian economy was performing well and it is mainly because of stalin’s rapid five year plans (and relocation of industry) that the ussr was actually able to turn the tables on hitler post stalingrad. you cant judge people of yesterday with the same morals of today. if you wish to do so then washington was racist, napoleon was maniacal, wellington was a murderer and Mandela can easily be touted as a communist and even terrorist. besides, park chung hee was no where near as destructive as the aforementioned trio. economic performance is usually the prime criteria over which heads of state are re-elected into office or the criteria by which we can assess the policies of controversial figures in history.

        • Ami

          “you can’t judge people of yesterday with the same morals of today”
          We’re not talking about primitive savages like the Huns or the rulers of the Qin dynasty. Stalin came at a time of revolution and the pain his policies cost some people were unacceptable.

          I may be speaking out of term here but: Who’s “economic performance” are we talking about? If his policies were so great, why are many of the former soviet countries so poor and still ruled by dictators.
          I imagine their political situation is similar to many African countries, after years of being brutally controlled and then just dropped with no political infrastructure, corruption, in fighting and dictators just became the norm.

          Also, Washington WAS racist and I don’t think anyone doesn’t think that. Just because it was a long time ago and it “wasn’t wrong then”, doesn’t mean what they did wasn’t wrong. People, real people, still had to suffer.

          • Ami

            Oh some of this is misleading: I should point out that I know that not all soviet countries are ruled by dictators but many of them are very corrupt.

          • takasar1

            Well, you easily argue that had hitler been successful in
            his invasion, life for the Russians and jews (deemed inferior by hitler) would have been far far worse.

            You are talking out of term in this instance. Stalin’s
            economic policies were a success. Large-scale industrialization paid dividends for him and the Russian state, he died in 1956, former soviet satellites and provinces (now poor) became so mainly through a failed attempt at introducing capitalism in the 1990s (they tried to go too far, too fast without the correct institutions). Stalin’s impact didn’t stretch that far, in fact I don’t even think you could blame him for the stagnation suffered under Brezhnev.

            You cant possibly throw the word ‘civilised’ around when
            discussing human beings and label/imply that some were ‘civilised’ and others were not. Human beings haven’t really changed terribly since the dawn of time (especially in the field of causing others pain and misery). Hitler and stalin were around at the same time as tuxedos, aeroplanes, cruise ships, radios, television (?) and so on. The fact is that when men in history have done more good than the bad, then the ‘good’ should be remembered and relayed more often than the bad.

      • ihatesmartasses

        Nope those guys were all scumbags. PCH was a true patriot and a savior of the Korean people.

    • Sillian

      “koreans hate park chung hee it seems (from i hear anyway)”

      Koreans have very divided opinions about him. You need to use more specifiers to talk about politics.

      • takasar1

        i know, i used phrases like ‘it seems’ to indicate a short analysis based purely on what was in the comments. i know full well that the older generation dont view him as harshly as the younger generation i was just giving a small answer to those who dislike him

      • 공부하기 좋은 날

        I am korean. but I think people like him more in korea

    • justanotherday

      YOU PIECE OF SHIT PARK CHUNG HEE IS THE SAVIOR OF REPUBLIC OF KOREA, WITHOUT HIM YOU WOULD ALL STARVE TO SHIT YOU FUCKING GOOKS.

      • rs52852

        i’d gladly smash your face in

        • justanotherday

          for speaking the truth? sounds like you belong in north korea?

      • takasar1

        you…need mental help. my uncle is a psychiatrist…so (on the basis of wisdom being a genetic trait) i prescribe immediate suicide

        • justanotherday

          I have schizoaffective disorder. Contrary to what most people think, when I type some bullshit like that it’s really out of whim, I was either in some fucked up state high on drugs and alcohol and went on a rambling.

  • chucky3176

    I don’t care what everyone says but these are the facts about this guy.

    Fact 1: In 2003, Lee Seok Ki was arrested for getting involved with and helping North Korean spies, by then the leftist Roh government, but after few weeks later, pardoned by the president. So he already has a treason record in the books – charged by the Liberals.

    Fact 2: He continually and persistently requested 20 to 30 documents from the Defense Ministry, pertaining to the South Korea – US plans for South Korean military taking over the battle field war time command of South Korean troops in 2016.

    Fact 3: He persistently badgered the KBS TV station, the real identity and personal information of North Korean defectors who appeared on a popular TV show series.

    Fact 4: The South Korean intelligence insists they have the voice recording of this guy speaking to the underground organization, urging armed rebellion in case the North Korea attacks. Mention were several South Korean targets and American military installations. This is yet to be verified, since the NIS hasn’t released the recording to the public.

    All these leads me to wonder, how much information this guy handed over to the North Koreans.

    • chucky3176

      Update on Fact 4. The NIS says they have the MP4 recorded files where Lee talks treason, which leads everyone to believe that the intelligence has obtained recorded video of Lee talking to his crowd. If Lee did talk about starting an uprising when the North Koreans attack, he won’t be able to use the excuse that this was a fake evidence by the South Korean Intelligence, the NIS.

      • chucky3176

        By the way, if anyone’s wondering why the authorities didn’t release the audio or the video to the public, it’s because if they do, under the South Korean law, they cannot use the evidence in the court of law in the future. At any rate, Lee can’t be charged with treason unless the South Korean parliament votes on it and pass the motion, since Lee is a lawmaker. There are a sizable number of DUP and UPP liberal members in the parliament, it will be interesting to see what they will do. Will they protect their man, even it’s a high possibility at worst, a North Korean spy. or at best, a North Korean stooge? Or will those Liberal lawmakers try to save their parties by trying to distance themselves from this radical?

    • commander

      His track records, as you point out, might point to acts advantegeous to the enemy, North Korea, thus gravely breaching the national security law.

      But the reason many media services take catious approaches to this shocking development by emphasizing the necessity of unequivocal undeniable evidence, is that the disclosure of the incident comes at so delicate a time when the NIS’s alleged election meddling has spawned parliamentary standoff that is expected to derail the regular session of the National Assembly starting in September.

      It remains to be seen whether the embattled agency can present unmistakble evidence that finds the progressive parliamentarian guilty of a rebellion charge to overthrow the state.

      And it is quite diffetent story, but the Roh administration, widely believed to be critical of the United States and sympathetic of Norh Korea, had done what even a conservative government would even dare to do: the signing of the KORUS FTA, Korean toops dispatch to Iraq in aid of the post war reconstructive work, the agreement of the USFK base adjustment southward against the backdrop of the America’s global repositioning of its overseas forces and South Korea’s swelling pride calling for retrieving its wartime command control from Washington.

      • chucky3176

        Watch this, it’s shocking how much material on national security he has collected, and all of them has to do with South Korea, US, and North Korea.

        http://news.naver.com/main/read.nhn?mode=LSD&mid=sec&sid1=100&oid=056&aid=0000011220

        Of course, that doesn’t prove he planned rebellion. The NIS will have to present to us, a detailed plan of rebellion or terrorism. Simply him speaking in private meetings with his underground organization isn’t enough to convict him. There has to be a detailed road map of targets and dates in his possession. I doubt the NIS has that, and I don’t think the charge of planning for armed rebellion will stick. But he definitely looks like he breached the National Security Act of helping and praising North Korea, and maybe even treason if NIS could prove it. What did he do with those hundreds of documents that he suspiciously obtained? For instance, why was he so curious about the names of the North Korean defectors? Why did he care what happens to key South Korean communication centers when the power generation stops? Why did he care so much about the American military bases and the security levels around them? His party’s focus is about labor rights, not national security. I’m thinking it’s highly probable he has handed all those internal documents over to North Korea. Whether he is brought to trial or serves any time or not, will depend on the Korean parliament, but what’s certain is that his career as a politician is definitely over. And it’s also a serious blow to the North Korean party (let’s be honest here, it’s basically true – who are we kidding?), the UPP, when their entire leadership is questioned on loyalty to South Korea. Only the most radical of the radical Korean voters will end up voting for them after this fiasco.

        • commander

          Ok. I’ll see how this incident will develop, with your argument in mind.

          And what is a more interesting point to watch is the fate of proposed reforms of the NIS after what will eventually prove the utility of the agency’s domestic intelligence divison if the arrest gets approved by the parliament and a guilty verdict is handed down.

  • KCdude

    Eh, whether that lawmaker is planning an armed revolt or not, the protest for kicking the president out of her office is still going strong.

    http://www.yonhapnews.co.kr/society/2013/08/31/0706000000AKR20130831064851001.HTML

    This was yesterday in Seoul Train Station. This unusually long on-going protest is a proof that distrusting is very central within the South Korean cultural context. I don’t think distrusting is bad. However South Koreans need to admit this harsh truth in the most honest way.

    • ihatesmartasses

      It’s because lot of Koreans are not capable of forming their own logical conclusions based on facts.

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  • chucky3176

    Latest update. The UPP is now changing their story now. They had earlier, flatly denied that they had any kind of meeting to plot against the state, and that the recorded evidence held by the NIS that was reported were all fabricated. But now the UPP holding their press conference are not denying the May 12th meeting between Lee and RO (the revolutionary group), after it was found that the recorded video was handed over to the NIS by one of the current UPP leader from Suwon. Oh so how to explain this little predicament for our wannabe North Korean revolutionaries? Their explanation? The NIS bribed this guy who’s been incurring $10,000 a day in gambling debt, with enough money to set him and his family for life. And that the NIS has been bugging the UPP party for many years. (oh no kidding, frankly with a blatant pro-North Korean party like yours, you deserve to be watched, and its strong testimonial to SK’s democratic system to let your party even to exist).

    • commander

      But we should not let the looming arrest of a pro-North Korea lawmaker overshadow the now-fading calls for broad-based reforms of the spy agency who is accused of influencing the 2008 presidential election by online campaigns.

      The state-overthrowing charges for Mr. Lee and the reform calls should get equal public attention and need an keen eye for developments.

  • chucky3176

    Another update. The Korean parliament will vote to arrest Rep. Lee on Tuesday.

    http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2013/09/116_142076.html

    It will be interesting to see if the main opposition Liberal party will vote to get this guy arrested. So far, the evidences seems too overwhelming, so if they vote against the arrest, DUP’s public opinion support will shrink to nothing. It’s hard to argue with a video speech of him urging his people to rise up and blow up South Korean and US military/civilian targets when the North Koreans attack, as well as documents containing call for spread of civil disobedience in the Incheon city area, starting in 2014. I suspect these are the same guys who are waging a violent armed demonstrations against the naval port building at Jeju Island. The residents who were against the naval build up have said, all the violent protestors were outsiders from the mainland. Also, the same people were engaged in violent demonstrations to wreck the statue of Gen. Douglas McArthur at Incheon back few years ago. An armed South Korean police squad had to guard the statue around the clock against possible vandalism.

    • chucky3176

      correction:

      So far, the evidences seems too overwhelming, so if they don’t vote against
      the arrest, DUP’s public opinion support will shrink to nothing.

  • Jae Hee

    I will let you know the situation in Korea now.

    read the storify http://storify.com/wjsfree/the-10th-pan-citizen-candlelight-rally-seoul-nisga

    • chucky3176

      Let’s see how you guys explain the video tape of him mocking even the UPP leadership. He even mockingly called one of the ladies in the leadership, the “facial beauty madam” (for trying to look like taking a middle road when North Korea fired intercontinental missiles). Or how you’re going to explain his urging his audience to make a Boston Marathon bombing style type of bomb.

      “국정원 해체하라”? Well, I’m sure you guys would love to see that, to get rid of the agency that’s been thorn on your sides.

    • Sillian

      What’s your opinion about Lee Seok-ki?

  • bultak23

    North Korea sucks. It sucks because that system can never work. They just replaced a king with a group of dictators. North Korea will fall soon. It is a garbage system made by retards in Moscow that could not take care of a dog let alone a country. They are good at one thing, convincing retards in other countries to believe in their nonsense and conspiracies.

    북한은 짜증. 해당 시스템이 작동하지 않을 수 있기 때문에 짜증. 그들은 단지 독재자의 그룹과 왕을 교체했다. 북한은 곧 떨어질 것이다. 그것은 모스크바에서 병신들가 만든 쓰레기 시스템입니다. 그들은 한 가지에 좋다, 다른 국가에서 설득력있는 병신는 말도하고 음모론을 믿고.

  • yutoutang

    “Progressive” is usually code for traitor. None of the progress they seek advance the interests of the country, just irrelevant things like “love” and such feel-good nothings.

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  • Russia

    bomb south korea

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