Korean Government Censors “Rumors” about Japanese Radiation

After the Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) announced on July 22 that Japan’s crippled Fukushima nuclear plant is continuing to leak radioactive water into the sea, persistent Korean safety concerns intensified. By the beginning of August, Korea’s Prime Minister took the significant step of asking his government to punish any Korean who spreads “malicious rumors” about radiation in Japan, saying that the risks were being exaggerated. Koreans reacted with fresh outrage that their own government appeared to be covering up the extent of the danger from Japan and argued that more should be done to inspect all imports that could be contaminated.

From Yonhap News:

Prime Minister Jeong: “Rumor-mongering about Japan’s radiation problems will be punished and eradicated”

On August 2nd, in reaction to rumors spreading through the internet and social media, Prime Minister Jeong Hong-won ordered his administration to punish malicious rumor-mongering related to the nuclear radiation problems in Japan.

At the 14th meeting of the regular national policy adjustment team, Jeong said, “False rumors can spread quickly through the internet and SNS (social networking services). This could disrupt our society by instigating fear and anxiety.”

In recent days, the internet has been full of talk that half of Japan’s land is contaminated by high radiation, that more than 90% of imported pollack fish are from Japan, and that the Korean government has purchased ₩1.2 trillion of radioactive contaminated fish from Japan to control the price.

Jeong said, “I hope all bureaus quickly respond to rumors that are causing trouble in citizens’ daily life and let people clearly know the facts in order to resolve their fears.”

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Comments from Naver:

kumo****:

Is that what the Prime Minister of Korea is supposed to say? He is supposed to say there will be thorough investigations to ensure safety since there have been reports raising concerns. Saying nothing at all would have been better than what he ended up announcing.

soho****:

For a moment, I thought he was the Prime Minister of Japan…ke ke ke.

wift****:

Which country’s Prime Minister is he? ke ke ke.

yt4c****:

Even Japanese people don’t trust their own government. Does he want Koreans to trust the Korean government speaking on behalf of the Japanese government????

suju****:

If you have human resources to monitor and punish rumor-mongers, what about instead assigning them to transparently monitor what seafood is imported from Japan? If people don’t trust you, don’t you have to think about how to gain trust first? Very simple-minded.

dazi****:

How about dealing with the rumors from the Japanese politicians that Dokdo is Japan’s territory or Korean girls were sold to the Japanese army by their parents during the colonial period? Where are you from, Prime Minister Jeong?

kade****:

I thought it was the Japanese Prime Minister making these ridiculous statements. Where on earth is Prime Minister Jeong from?

dong****:

I’m at a loss for words… How can someone like him be the Prime Minister… Heol~

ahnj****:

You shouldn’t brush them off as rumors. You should do investigations first to reassure people and tell them whether they were indeed rumors.

tama****:

Is he really the Prime Minister of Korea? Instead of reassuring people, he is going to just punish those who write about radiation problems? It’s true that Japan is going under. After the nuclear accident broke out in Japan, there are many more Japanese people trying to buy land in Busan!!

triadica:

Prime Minister Jeong….you are pathetic. The radiation ‘rumors’ are created because the Japanese government is not transparently releasing information. Starting two years ago, serious concerns were raised regarding the region’s contamination. But it was only on the day following their [House of Councillors] election that Japan officially admitted to the problem. Isn’t our government supposed to collect information from every channel and check on the distribution system to ensure people’s health? Recently, there have been concerns about mackerel and pollack imported from Japan. What is the Prime Minister doing in this situation? He’s out of his mind.

toma****:

How can someone like him be the Prime Minister? When he said he will make it possible to delete school bullying records after graduation without realizing how serious the problem is, I knew he had some issues. Instead of chasing rumor-mongers, you should take the matter seriously and do total inspections on Japanese imports. Wake up and work properly. The government should do inspections thoroughly to reassure people instead of chasing rumors.

jkpa****:

I’m dumbfounded. It almost sounds as if he is talking to our citizens on behalf of the Japanese Prime Minister.

soha****:

If you claim it’s safe, you can eat it. I won’t buy it for my family.

satr****:

He must be bored… You must get punished whenever you criticize Japan… Please come to your senses..

From OhmyNews:

The truth can only be found in rumors about Japan’s radiation problems: don’t be surprised

On August 2nd, Prime Minister Jeong Hong-won dismissed the internet rumors about Japan’s radiation problems, one of which is that half of Japan’s land is highly contaminated with radiation. He ordered his administration to chase and punish malicious rumor-mongers. He regarded the rumors as a ‘socially disruptive factor that degrades people’s happiness’.

However, Prime Minister Jeong’s statement is inappropriate since he is an official who should prioritize citizens’ health and safety. A variety of information is collected on the internet. People from all walks of life share and confirm various information and claims about Japan’s radiation problems. What Jeong called ‘rumors’ is verified and sorted out in various ways.

The reason why incorrect information can be spread is because the government only brushes off concerns and claims it is ‘safe’ without providing proper information. If you look into the controversies related to the Fukushima nuclear plant, there is some incorrect information but it is hard to dismiss it as completely false.

Radioactive materials spreading out in Japan

First, let’s take a look at the claim that half of Japan’s land has already been contaminated by high radiation. According to a PNAS publication from December, 2011, most of Japan’s land has been affected by cesium-137, as seen in this map of the estimated concentrations.

Korea-japan-radiation-fallout-fish2

Of course, there are different opinions about contamination standards. Compared to the 10 Bq/g limit for low and mid-level radioactive waste, the level of soil contamination is low. However, if you consider the possibility of accumulation in the food chain, soil with concentrations higher than 5 Bq/kg is still worrisome.

Cesium-137 and 134 soil contamination shown in the map published by Japan’s Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology (MEXT) is smaller than what the PNAS map shows. This map shows the level of contamination per square meter. Based on the map, the Japanese government selected eight prefectures, which is 3% of Japan’s land, for radiation cleansing.

MEXT-contamination-map

Cesium contamination map from the MEXT

Japan’s ‘prefecture’ is equivalent to a ‘province’ in Korea. It is highly possible that agricultural and marine products from other prefectures besides Fukushima have been contaminated. The map of cesium contamination in freshwater fish from Fukushima and Eastern Japan published by the scientific journal ‘Nature’ reveals a more accurate situation. It is a map based on direct measurements of contaminated freshwater fish. It shows that central Japan from Fukushima to Tokyo is contaminated by cesium. According to the map, it seems inevitable that a significant amount of agricultural and marine products from Japan is contaminated. It is just a matter of degree. Even if they cleanse radiation, there is a clear limit to what you can do to forests, lakes, ponds, rivers, etc. There is no way to stop spreading of contamination through winds and groundwater.

Nature-contamination-map

The Japanese government plans to send the waste from the tsunami to other locations in Japan and incinerate it. It has been reported that it is possible that radioactively contaminated debris is included in that waste. There are 22.5 million tons of waste from the tsunami. 20 million tons will be processed in the affected region and the rest will be distributed throughout the country and processed by March of next year. Although it may be small amounts, it is possible that radiation will be found all over Japan.

Japan imposing the radiation safety myth

What draws attention is the attitude of the Japanese government. They are imposing the radiation safety myth that replaced the nuclear plant safety myth they used to tell their citizens. They designated a ‘preparation zone’ within which the radiation was recorded at 20 mSv, still 20 times higher than the annual dose limit for the 150,000 residents who fled because of the nuclear plant accident. You are not allowed to stay in the zone overnight but you can visit there during the day. After the cleansing process, it seems they will lift the travel restrictions, starting with the residential areas. However, this is in contrast to the Soviet government who forced people to migrate out of any contaminated areas that had higher than 5 mSv following the Chernobyl accident.

The second rumor, that the Japanese government is strictly controlling information related to radiation, is clearly incorrect. It is possible that the news about the bill known as the ‘Secret Information Protection Law’, which would punish leaking of national secrets, has been misrepresented. However, the Japanese government’s cover ups and delays in releasing information since the Fukushima accident has done nothing to resolve the lingering suspicion that gives life to these rumors.

The third claim is that fish and vegetables from Japan should not be consumed. In 2012, 93% of all unfrozen pollack consumed in Korea was imported from Japan. For frozen pollack, only 1.6% came from Japan while most of them were from Russia. However, there is no point in distinguishing their countries of origin because highly contaminated water from the Fukushima plant moves along with the ocean currents near the Russian shore.

Also, it is possible that pollack near the Japanese shore move to the Russian shore because they are migrating fish. For marine products, you have to actually check for radiation contamination and not just the place of origin. From April to December in 2011, Korea reported finding twenty-one cases of contamination of fish from Japan containing up to 98 Bq/kg. In 2012, 101 cases were reported, with the highest concentrations reaching 25 Bq/kg. This year, there have been fewer cases of contaminated fish. Eight cases have been reported so far this year, with the most contaminated having readings of 10 Bq/kg. However, the Korean government doesn’t do regular inspections on marine products that are not from Japan.

When it comes to inspections, the government’s preferred term, ‘undetected’, is not scientific at all. Depending on the detector’s sensitivity or time of inspection, ‘undetected’ can be changed to ‘detected’. There is also a controversy about the government’s use of the term ‘suitable for consumption’. According to them, less than 370 Bq/kg is ‘suitable for consumption’. This standard is for adult men. Women get affected by radiation more than men and babies or fetuses are much more sensitive. There is a claim that babies are twenty times more sensitive to radiation than adult men. What’s ‘suitable’ for adult men can be ‘unsuitable’ for women or babies. The German-Swiss Association for Radiation Protection suggests 8 Bq/kg for adults and 4 Bq/kg for children as the safety limits. Since even those numbers are for emergency situations, zero radiation is the best.

The problem lies ahead. One of the representative radioactive elements, cesium-137, has a half-life of thirty years. The cesium-137 in Chernobyl still hasn’t reached its half-life. Humanity had not experienced high radiation contamination in the sea before. Radioactive materials can spread throughout the whole Pacific Ocean following the ocean currents. The seas around Korea are no exception. According to a paper published last year, it is estimated that a considerable level of cesium will reach the southern sea of Jeju this year or next year. We need comprehensive measures for marine products.

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Distribution of cesium-137 in surface seawater between 2012 and 2041
(Journal of Environmental Radioactivity)

The fourth rumor is about why the Australian and Canadian embassies stopped visa services in Japan. It is true that they stopped their services. The Australian embassy in Korea and the Canadian embassy in the Philippines took over the job. No clear reason has been mentioned. We can’t confirm whether it is because of the radiation problem in Japan. It is better to investigate than to brush it off as a rumor.

Fukushima accident is still ongoing

Lastly, there is a rumor that the amount of radiation leaked from the Fukushima accident is eleven times higher than that from the Chernobyl accident. If you compare the amount of leaked radioactive materials, the Chernobyl accident was worse. In Chernobyl, the nuclear reactor itself exploded while in Fukushima, only the containment buildings were damaged by explosions.

However, in Fukushima, three nuclear reactors went through core meltdowns and the containment buildings were damaged. The spent nuclear fuel storage building was also damaged by explosions. The number of spent nuclear fuel rods in Fukushima (4604) is 6.6 times higher than that of the Chernobyl plant (699). There is a possibility that the Fukushima plant may become a bigger problem.

The problem is that the Fukushima accident is still ongoing and contaminated water keeps flowing into the sea. They just took some pictures with a robot inside the reactor No. 1. They haven’t been able to touch the No. 2 and 3 reactors. We don’t know how deep the melted fuel has reached under the ground or whether it is possible to contain contaminated groundwater effectively.

The reactor No. 4’s spent fuel storage building was weakened by the earthquakes. If there is another strong earthquake, there could be a situation where all residents of Tokyo have to evacuate. Apart from the contaminated water flowing into the sea, there are 360,000 tons of radioactive water in the area, and the amount is only increasing even with recycling. There is less and less room for storing liquid nuclear waste. The maximum holding period for the containers for liquid nuclear waste is only five years. It will only lead to more problems later.

It is also hard to deal with radioactive materials leaked into the sea. While it is not easy to judge which incident is bigger, Chernobyl or Fukushima, what’s clear is that the Fukushima incident is still ongoing and there will be more damage in the future. This is why nuclear plant accidents are not comparable to car accidents, plane accidents or natural disasters. The leaked radioactive materials will bother us for centuries.

Although it may be a logical decision in order to begin rebuilding the affected region, the Japanese government has chosen to try to minimize the damage. The reality is that Japanese citizens don’t trust their government and there are some people who only drink imported water. It is regrettable that the Prime Minister of Korea is playing the role of a spokesperson for the Japanese government instead of caring about Korean citizens’ health and safety. Radioactive contaminated food should be included in the ‘unhealthy food’, which is one of the four evils President Park pledged to eradicate.

“No matter how low the radiation is, it can increase the chance for cancer.”

That conclusion is from the American National Academy of Sciences’ report entitled ‘Biological Effects of Ionizing Radiation VII‘. That means safety limits on radiation don’t really guarantee safety from cancer.

Radioactive materials are officially carcinogens. They cause genetic diseases that can be transferred to future generations. It induces musculoskeletal diseases and weakness. Aging is accelerated. Any small amount of radiation affects the human body. However, the nuclear power industry doesn’t admit it. They are loyal to the argument that amounts of radiation under their ‘limits’ are safe.

Prime Minister Jeong threatened to punish rumor-mongers instead of caring about people’s safety. He should be taking action against the Korea Food & Drug Administration (KFDA) and the Nuclear Safety & Security Commission (NSSC) that promote the radiation safety myth. The nuclear mafia is at work here. They are trying to trivialize the dangers of radiation.

Comments from Naver:

edit****:

Since it has become an issue that receives lots of attention and causes fear, wouldn’t you think the Japanese Prime Minister or high ranking officials would visit the affected area, eat sashimi and swim if it was really okay?

devi****:

Our relationship with Japan isn’t even that good right now, what is he defending them for? Other countries are all being careful but why is Korea being like this? Are the politicians a bunch of collaborators?

okid****:

Prime Minister Jeong, why don’t you make your wife and children eat a soup made with pollack from Japan?!

chrh****:

Prime Minister Jeong should first eat food imported from Japan in front of TV cameras.

bbq1****:

The solution is to not eat fish and not visit Japan. The Prime Minister is supposed to make the truth clear but he’s trying to cover it up…

yiso****:

That was conscientious journalism.

oheu****:

Prime Minister Jeong might be the only fool who believes that the information released by Japan is accurate.

yeji****:

The government always tries to dismiss rumors without thorough investigations. ㅡㅡ Same with the human trafficking issue. Doesn’t he feel sorry for his citizens? The world is coming to an end for real.

west****:

Rumors or not, the government is supposed to thoroughly secure food safety, but know it is trying to punish critics? How on earth can the people trust their government?

wlsr****:

Wow~~ There must really be something going on.. When the search word ‘cesium’ was ranked high on the portal site, it was deleted right away… It is being manipulated~~ I guess it really is unsafe.

From Money Today:

Holes in radiation inspection… “no preemptive measures available”

While radioactive contamination rumors about agricultural and maritime products from Japan have been spreading through social media and the internet, the government has repeatedly reported that no contaminated food has been found in Korea. However, there is a serious lack of radiation detectors at sea ports and airports. Even if a pile of contaminated products crosses our borders, there is no way to identify it before it has left Japan.

The Korean government banned 49 kinds of marine products from eight prefectures in Japan. Those weren’t banned by the Korean government independently, Japan prohibited exporting them. In the first half of this year, 13,080 tons of marine products have been imported from areas of Japan outside the eight designated prefectures. The Ministry of Oceans and Fisheries (MOF) reported on August 2 that no radioactive material was found during 159 inspections on 14 different kinds of marine products. They explained that small amounts of iodine (3.65~5.25 Bq/kg) were found in kelp on six occasions, but the amounts were well below the safety limit (300 Bq/kg). The Ministry of Agriculture, Food and Rural Affairs (MAFRA) reported to the Prime Minister on July 31 at an emergency meeting that no radioactive contamination has been found during inspections. The KFDA also reported that they increased the scope of inspections on Japanese marine products to a level twice that used on imports from other places and still no radiation has been found.

However, the government’s inspection didn’t reach the customs stage. There is no way to check for contamination prior to importation. They rely on sampling inspection of imported products. It is hard to prevent damage if a pile of contaminated products is imported. China banned all marine products from ten prefectures in Japan. The U.S. also banned practically all fish from the region. The Korean government only banned importing what the Japanese government banned exporting. It isn’t easy to inspect products in Japan. It is also hard to inspect Japanese industrial products such as cosmetics or diapers that aren’t much affected by radiation but which are used in direct contact with skin.

The NSSC found that only four of the nine relevant airports and thirty-one sea ports have radiation detectors. It is easy assume that these ‘holes’ in the inspection net could have led to problems. It has been pointed out that MAFRA and KDFA’s unclear division of responsibility and the launch of the MOF have weakened the measures against radioactive contamination. Currently, the decision of which agency is responsible for inspection depends on whether the target of inspection is bacterial contamination. The MAFRA deals with plants contaminated by harmful bacteria but if it is related to human health issues, the KDFA takes the job. The MAFRA, in charge of dealing with food products, is doing almost nothing about the radioactive contamination problem. A MAFRA staff member said, “There is realistically no preemptive measure we can take against radioactive contamination”.

Comments from Nate:

mrx1****:

What? Hey, you crazy ****, did you get shot in the head? How can you deal with it like **** even after knowing the current Fukushima situation??? It is a serious matter that can affect not only us but also our future generations if we fail to respond properly. But your solution is just hushing it up and claiming Japanese agricultural products are safe? If you don’t want to get stoned walking down the street, deal with the matter properly and secure citizens’ health quickly!

pjh0****:

So pathetic…… I guess I will have to bring a radiation detector when I go shopping…… Pathetic government….

bc60****:

Is that what a prime minster should say? You should completely ban Japanese agricultural products…..

bree****:

“There are algae blooms on rivers but it’s safe.” “There is radiation but it’s safe.” “If you spread rumors, you will be punished.” ke ke ke

soul****:

You aren’t sure about the contamination situation but still claim there is no problem??? Seriously, what happened to your brain cells? Were they already affected by radiation???????? Sammi Sisters said it. “A hardcore idiot has appeared.”

kimw****:

Other countries are quick to ban Japanese imports. Is our country a pushover?

yeln****:

What are you doing… Why do you inspect for contamination in Korea after importation? You are inspecting imports while they are being distributed. If you don’t have enough facilities to inspect, wouldn’t it be common sense to ban suspected imports until you have the proper facilities? Do the government workers have no such common sense?

gjeh****:

I read about how other countries ban Japanese marine products….. It really seems there are many Japs among our high ranking officials.

play****:

Huh? ke ke ke, it is Japan where the nuclear accident occurred, why do you even check Korean agricultural products for radiation? ke ke ke. Ban all agricultural products from Japan and inspect everyone from Japan at all airports and sea ports.

vand****:

Government official bastards, imagine if the nuclear accident happened in Korea. How do you think Japan would react??? The Japanese government would make all kinds of fuss, equating Korea to radiation for more than a decade. I’m not telling you to bother Japan. I just wonder why the Korean government is so passive when even Japanese citizens don’t trust their own government’s statements about radiation.

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  • kangaroo

    This kind of debate should be going on in Japan, but we see it only in Korea.
    How odd… Japan that is.

    • Mr. Mr.

      haha. all they care about is Mangas over there. who cares about nuclear disaster? the jap government will take care of everything and everything will be just fine.

      • terriblemovie

        Lol, its really pathetic when you think about it. Grown men in their 30s who love cartoons about little girls.

        • holdingrabbits

          Sounds like you’re really informed.

        • Maria Rose

          I’m pretty sure they don’t read it for the little girls, they read it for something else. If you get what I mean.

  • commander

    Prime Minister Jeong’s instruction to keep track of what he thinks overblown rumors about radiation contaminated products imported from Japan may be promoted by the fear that circulated rumors online could fuel Seoul-Japan antagonism.

    But reports of the Japanese government’s incredibility in making public the extent of radioactive contamination around the Fukushima wrecked nuclear power plants show that concerns about Japan-imported products is not without reason.

    This is all the more so as the Japanese government admitted that contaminated water is leaking into underground water, provoking scathing critisism from the Japanese and overseas for withheld related informatiom.

    PM should have said that he would make broader inspections on imports of Japanese origin to ease publix concerns and take appropriate measures accordingly.

    • chucky3176

      Why throw money on inspections? Just ban Japanese produce and Japanese seafood.
      That PM is an idiot. The only people who believe anything what the
      Japanese government says are the Japanese and South Korea’s Prime
      Minister. We all know what kind of bull shit lies that comes out of Japanese government.

      • greenhamsters

        That is a rather simplistic view and simplistic answer to a complex issue.

      • commander

        On a national level, imports ban for Japanese goods should be based on concrete evidence, especially when anti Korean sentiment in Japanese is spreading among conservatives groups there.

        Any import ban decision that is not substantiated by objective grounds would call forth Tokyo’s tit for tat reaction to Korean exports.

        Neverthless, I fully understand your emotional response to the government’s seemingly inattentive attitude about public health in a move that quash online public opinions as false stories without ascertaining its verity.

        • Isaac

          It’s not about sentiment. It’s based on common sense.

          As Chucky has mentioned, the Japanese gov’t has a track record for lying to the public (TEPCO coverups, politics and the like). I won’t be surprised if majority of their exports, especially the produce, are contaminated with high levels of radiation.

        • chucky3176

          There is no way to know where Japanese products are coming from. If Japanese government lies to their own citizens that it’s OK to swim in Fukushima beaches, you don’t think they would have no qualms to export products from Fukushima area to Korea to get rid of the polluted inventory to their enemy? It’s insane that Korea doesn’t even have any radiation inspection of Japanese goods, going strictly by what Japanese government says is safe. Insane. And the Korean government isn’t even giving out a warning to Koreans visiting Japan. Yet the record number of Koreans are visiting Japan (record number of Koreans getting cancer down the road) helping their economy at a time when they’re holding hate marches all over Tokyo and Osaka. Insane.

          • Butsu

            The tinfoil hat is strong in this one.

      • Rutim

        > We all know what kind of bull shit lies that comes out of Japanese government.

        lol. The amount of bullshit you produce everyday on various boards beats it 1000x times ;)

        • Have a nice day!

          Kettle to Pot… you’re full of shit… funny

      • Cuddlycthulhu

        Dude, seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you? Every single post from you is exactly the same. “Japan sucks, it’s government lies, I hate Japan etc etc.”
        Ok, you hate Japan, you hate everything Japanese, the Japanese government lies about everything, fuck the imperialist revisionist Japanese dogs. Did you ever stop for a second and think that the country your so quick demonize is just like the one you’re so quick to defend. While Korea was under a military dictatorship, violently suppressing its own people, Japan was having democratic elections. When the soviets shot down a civilian Korean air flight, it was the Korean government that lied to its own people telling them the flight landed safely and everyone was alright. Meanwhile it was the Japanese who had boats out looking for first survivors and then the remains of everyone killed.

        Get off your high horse and remember that every countries government lies to its people, it’s what governments do, and they almost always do it because they think its in the best interests of the people.
        Why don’t you do everyone on here a favor and not post anything until you have some new to say or add to any of the conversations. Your astonishingly immature level of dislike for Japan brings the entire level of discourse down exponentially every time you hit the post button.

        • chris

          Don’t even bother Cuddly, Chucky is an internet warrior, the leader of anti-Japan trolls, a close-minded loser with nothing better to do than to spew his racist rants. he claims his opinions are facts. he even thinks anything positive about Korea in Japan are all fabricated. its like one of those conspiracy theorists who thinks every terrorist bombing in the world is actually the government’s fault, carried out by greedy jews. there is no point in trying to correct one of these imbeciles.

          • chucky3176

            Based on the track record of the Japanese government, I don’t think anything I’ve said about Japan’s less the forthcoming of the true extent of the nuclear disaster, is a “racist rant”. Even the UN agrees with me, in their May report, blasting the Japanese government for their handling of information. This effects not just Japan, but Korea to the most extent because it’s geographically closest country to Japan, and the Koreans depend heavily on the Pacific for food. The track record of Japanese government is nothing but lies, lies about history, denials after denials, and the Fukushima disaster is no exception.

          • greenhamsters

            Even if we accept your premise that the Japanese government has lied, even on numerous occasions, it still does not justify your generalization that the Japanese government is “nothing but lies.” You are engaging in what is known as the logical fallacy of hasty generalization. And, as others have prominently noted, you are most likely engaging in poor reasoning because of your dislike for Japan.

          • Paul M

            It’s painfully obvious to everyone on here that you have a deep rooted hatred of Japan and Japanese people. Heck, you hate just about anyone who isn’t Korean. What you explicitly say may not be, but your motivations certainly are racist.

            If you were a white guy you would be Bill O’Reilly, I’m surprised MBC haven’t offered you a fucking job.

          • chucky3176

            I don’t hate anybody other then those people who speak/act like assholes. I don’t hate, certainly not because they are non Koreans. Oh come on, that’s ridiculous.

          • Paul M

            If that’s so then don’t you think it’s a good idea to tone down your anti-Japanese/anti-foreign rhetoric lest people get the wrong impression? To me you certainly come across as a complete fascist with your constant posting about how evil Japan is and how pathetic foreigners are.

          • dk2020

            That’s who Chucky is .. if he didn’t hate on Japan then he wouldn’t know who to blame .. same with Japanese who blame Koreans .. that right there is the root of the problem of xenophobia against foreigners .. How are they going to trust foreigners if they can’t even trust their neighbors?

  • greenhamsters

    The media and general public seem to be poorly informed about radiation. While I disagree with censorship, I can certainly understand, in this case, the sentiments behind it.

    • Rutim

      I’d say that the whole society’s in every country around the world don’t know anything about radiation etc. It’s pretty narrow field so the number of people who has knowledge in that matter is pretty much limited to the chemistry and physics university graduates who go through a short course and the number of sciencists who work in that field everyday. In a country like South Korea how many such sciencists live? Two, three thousands? So there’s like 99% of society who can’t tell the difference between alpha or beta radation and people are constructed in such a way that they fear what they don’t understand. Adding to that it’s Korea the things will be blown up 10 times out of proportions regarding Japanese problems so it could create some kind of psychosis throughout the nation and it’s a good move by the PM made here to stop it.

      • greenhamsters

        I failed to consider the context when posting. I did not mean to imply “Korean media” or “Korean general public.” I was speaking about the media and general public around the world. I apologize for the lack of clarity in my post.

      • chucky3176

        hahaha you’re a joke. Psychosis throughout the nation? Look at your Japan, now that’s a normal non-psychosis country, isn’t it? They can’t even say a peep because they trust their government and TEPCO. Only in Japan… lol.

        This German news summed up Japan nicely.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XytmOTx45no

        • Rutim

          You’re some paranoid type dude…

  • http://www.scroozle.com/ Zackary Downey

    It isn’t just the Canadian embassy in Tokyo that has removed its visa service. The embassies in Berlin, Kuala Lumpur, and Dhaka have also followed suit. Japanese nationals can just mail their application to Manila. It looks like Canada’s trying to reduce costs by downsizing.

    Nothing nefarious, folks: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/notices/notice-office.asp

    • Isaac

      It’s time for Seoul to buckle up and do the same!

  • http://karmaeconomics.blogspot.com/ lavista4u
    • greenhamsters

      I am saddened for those who take that article at face value.

      • Marimo

        I don’t know for the rest of the article, but they’re not lying on that one point, 300 tons of radioactive water goes to the ocean daily, TEPCO admitted it. It’s better to say a horrible truth than try to conceal it, because it doesn’t only concern Japan anymore, it concerns the whole planet. And it’s only by knowing the truth about this disaster that help can be implemented.

        • greenhamsters

          Let’s analyze the “horrible truth.”

          /Turns on reverse fear-mongering mode.

          How much water is 300 tons? One ton of water is equivalent to 224 imperial gallons. One imperial gallon is equivalent to ~4.5 liters. This makes the daily leakage roughly equivalent to ~300,000 liters. Still sounds like a lot. Let’s continue.

          The typical Olympic-sized swimming pool contains 2,500,000 liters of water. Thus, the daily leakage is equivalent to one-eighth that of an Olympic-sized swimming pool. That’s not too bad.

          If we assume the rate of flow has been constant, then the total of amount of water which has flown into the Pacific Ocean amounts to 0.000000000492% of the total volume of the Ocean. If the rate of flow continues unabated, it would take 5 trillion years to fill the Pacific Ocean with radioactive water. That is more than 338 times the presently known age of the entire universe. Okay, that’s a ridiculously small amount.

          To make matters even more awesome, Cs-134 has a half-life of 2 years, and Cs-137 has a half-life of 30 years. It’ll all long dissipate before it can fill the Pacific Ocean.

          OMG! We’re all going to live!

          /Turns off reverse fear-mongering mode.

          Should we be concerned with the leaks? Absolutely. Should TEPCO receive a swift kick in the rear and be removed from its handling of the situation for incompetence? Absolutely. Should we fear for our lives and tremble in fear while engaging in the use of weasel words like “horrible truth?” Absolutely, not.

          • chucky3176

            You’re going by what Japan says, and had to admit they did a tiny white lie, after 2 years. It’s been leaking since day one, and will continue to leak daily for years to come.

          • greenhamsters

            Got any evidence to suggest their figures are inaccurate?

          • chucky3176

            Got any evidence to suggest their figures are accurate?

            The facts that I do know:

            1. They lied from the start, they knew all along the polluted water were being leaked since 2011, yet said nothing.

            2. They don’t know what they’re doing, says the head of the nuclear watchdog organization.

            3. They lied to their own people about the levels of radiation around Fukushima. And there should have been mass evacuations from the greater area of Fukushima, yet people are still living there.

            4. They refuse to let outside advice and outside help to come in and do what they can. Why? What do they have that they want to hide badly?

            5. Japan government lies all the time. Look at their history. They lie about history, they lie about rape figures in society, they hide problems, sweep them all under carpet. They lie about crime stats. If the stats don’t show up, then the problem don’t exist.

            6. And no-one challenges the establishment. (the ones who do, are a tiny minority).

            Take them all into consideration, I would not believe anything that the J-government says. I would rather error on the side of skepticism of any information that J-government puts out to make Japan look good in front of the world.

          • greenhamsters

            In other words, you have no evidence. You simply think the Japanese are liars. Chucky, that is not skepticism.

          • chucky3176

            And what is your evidence? Without independent verification from outside sources other than from Japanese, you have no evidence either. All I’m saying is based on recent behavior of Japanese government, it is not a farfetched opinion to say that you can’t trust anything the Japanese government says.

          • Rutim

            chucky, there will be an official 3rd party report made by UN released this month or in early September. Hopefully, after writing ‘Japanese are liars’ you won’t have to write ‘everyone who doen’t believe me is a liar’…

          • greenhamsters

            My initial post and subsequent response to Marimo were focused on FUD. There is an enormous amount of FUD and misinformation which surrounds discussions about nuclear energy and radiation. You seem to have confused my poking at FUD with an agreement of the Japanese figures cited. I was simply taking the figures for the sake of argument. As such, I have made no claims to their accuracy. For that reason, I have no obligation to support the accuracy through evidence or “outside sources.”

            On the other hand, you have suggested that the figures are or may be inaccurate. I asked you for evidence. You responded with little more than an attack on the character of the Japanese people. That is not evidence. Regardless how much you may distrust the Japanese and want others to distrust them, it does not provide a sound reason to question their figures.

            Now, if you have some evidence I am all ears. I would certainly hope you have more than the “Japanese are liars” cards to play.

          • Sillian

            That doesn’t really sound scientific.

            Contaminated water doesn’t get instantly diluted by the total volume of the ocean. For a long time, there remain highly contaminated areas and virtually unaffected areas. Simply comparing the total volumes is elementary. The concern is whether fish from contaminated areas will be caught and consumed and how much Bq/kg can be tolerated.

          • greenhamsters

            Wait. You mean contaminated water does not contaminate the whole body of water? It’s possible for contamination to remain localized and not pose a threat to the entire world civilization? OMG! We’re going to live after all!

            / Translation of humor

            The entire point of my post was to present facts in an over the top. The goal is to demonstrate how facts can be presented to sound more alarming or less alarming than they really are.

            The fear-mongering taking place on sites like the one linked above present facts to make them sound more alarming. I am charitable enough to assume they do so out of ignorance, genuine alarm, and genuine concern, but they are part of the problem.

  • Mihel

    From what I read of this I think he’s saying to stop posting bullshit rumors about japanese radiation, not actual facts.

    • Ryan Kim

      I hope your mom dies from cancer and you will wonder if it’s maybe not just a bullshit rumor faggot.

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

        “I hope your mom dies from cancer and you will wonder if it’s maybe not just a bullshit rumor faggot.”

        Very classy.

        • Ryan Kim

          Hehe I’m gay faggot.

  • commander

    Japan-related posting have so far proved a conbustible issue that drew vehement response from KoreaBang visitors almost without exception.

    But the posting this time appears to be not so unsuccessful as expected in bringing forth active responses despite the poster made am extra effort to translate two articles and corresponding local Netizens’ reactions.

    The relative lackluster reactions may be attributed to the frequency of Japan-associated issues being uploaded as a previous posting several days ago was hugely received in terms of the number of commentaries.

    • commander

      Besides anxiety over possible negative health effects from Japanese goods, also reflected in online voices is a mixture of aversion to and fear of a shift to ultra rightist in Japan.

      In this regard, PM Jeong’s comment, wary of any public demonstrations that are similar to those marred early days in the preceding Lee administration, is out of sync with public psych toward Japan.

  • y.m.

    What koreans should do is boycott japanese products, stop eating japanese food, stop going to japan and most importantly, stop talking about Japan in general. Koreans are too obsessed with Japan.

    • Isaac

      Agreed. Korea should cut ties with Japan immediately.

    • Sillian

      This is a global problem that happens to originate from Japan.

    • holdingrabbits

      I don’t know whether to upvote or downvote this post.

      • Serpico

        What’s so bad in it? (: The fact that the idea is somewhat retarded from the economical point of view? Or maybe something else?

        • holdingrabbits

          Certainly, Koreans should quit paying so much attention to Japan…but you know, there are good things about Japan as well…such as their food. I don’t care for the French, but their food is just fine by me.

  • terriblemovie

    Japanese culture is all about telling lies and denying wrong doing in order to preserve “harmony”. You see this not only in the recent nuclear disaster but also in their treatment of history, territorial disputes, business, politics, personal relations etc.

    A Japanese person will lie to your face in order to save face and avoid confrontation. Japanese companies refuse to believe that outsiders are beating them in electronics until its too late. Police officers deny reporting serious crimes in order to save face. Denying war time atrocities because you don’t want to believe it. Their culture is incompatible with the rest of the world.

    I really wish South Korea would ban all Japanese products and prevent Japanese from settling in Busan. If the nuclear crisis continues to get worse, South Korea should send a petition to the UN to sanction and maybe even blockade Japan.

    Its because of these idiots that the Pacific Ocean is being polluted.

    • chucky3176

      You mean like this. ( I’m referring to the reader comments, not the article itself).

      http://www.japantoday.com/category/politics/view/s-korea-urges-japanese-politicians-not-to-visit-yasukuni-shrine#comments

    • Paulos

      “Their culture is incompatible with the rest of the world.”

      Everyone has the right to express their own opinion, but as a member of “the rest of the world” please don’t be so presumptuous in speaking for all of us without doing some research first.

      The vast majority of “the rest of the world” has a favorable view of Japan. This is fact. China and Korea appear to be the only exceptions. Even in other countries that experienced Japanese agression in WW2 like Malaysia, Indonesia, and the Philippines, less than 20% of the current population holds an unfavorable view. All of this suggests that given a reasonable amount of tolerance, Japanese culture is no less compatible with the world than any other culture.

      Source: http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/07/11/japanese-publics-mood-rebounding-abe-strongly-popular/

      • Mr. Mr.

        you can have a favorable but still incompatible views.

    • y.m.

      i think Japan should cut all ties with korea for the better of both countries.

      • Rutim

        And I think that you should cut your Internet connecting cable for the better of everyone around.

    • Sillian

      Can you make at least one level-headed comment regarding Japan? You can talk about certain cultural elements but you exaggerate them and make it sound as if something that happens around the world only happens in Japan.

    • chris

      terriblemovie, i use to think Chucky was this anti-japanese, hate mongering, bigot who has nothing to do but to troll these sites (still do), but i think you might actually have a mental disability. you are so delusional and fail to come up with any rational thought. do us a favor and please stop posting so you can stop embarrassing yourself, as well as the scholars who are pushing for the betterment of Japan-S. Korea relations. you are doing nothing but tainting their efforts, just like right-winged Japanese people.

  • Sashiko48

    It reminds me of the Chernobyl thing. In France, the government was like ” NOOOO WORRIES ! The radiation stopped at the French border. ” LOL.

  • EastAsianNationalist

    Because it IS rumormongering, goaded on by semi-conspiracy theorists like Arnie Gundersen and the rest of the whacked out survivalist crowd. Fact is the average person doesn’t know shit about radiation, has no frame of reference for the measurements, and just sort of assumes radiation = generic evil force that blows around and turns everything bad.

    Even if 1,000 people end up dying from Fukushima, the benefits of nuclear power still far outweighs the risks. This applies to China, Korea, Turkey, Brazil and all developing nations building nuclear plants for their power needs. I’ve yet to see any real argument to the contrary other than appeals to emotions and generic moral outrage.

  • chucky3176

    Rumor mongering yeah right.

    Watch this video of this Japanese mayor making a speech at a children’s day ceremony.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbfJEtMWYAk

    Watch the radiation reading outside the stadium. Then watch the radiation reading inside the stadium where the ceremony was being held.

    These are kids who are being exposed to very high levels of radiation just because the Japanese government, instead of evacuating the people, wants to deny the truth and want to pretend everything is just hunki dori in Japan. And the sheep just follows along. Pretty contemptuously pathetic, but sad in a way.

  • Russia

    i love glowing fish

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