Japanese PM Says Using Rising Sun Flag ‘No Problem’

The Korean internet and politicians from all the major Korean political parties have united to condemn reports that Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe‘s administration approves of the “Rising Sun” flag. After the Sankei Shimbun, a conservative Japanese newspaper, reported statements from Abe’s administration that condoned the renewed use of the flag, a symbol of Japan’s militarist past, some netizens even lamented that the United States stopped at bombing only two Japanese cities and praised the Fukushima disaster. JapanCRUSH is reporting the Japanese online reaction to recent Korean outrage.

Japan's "Rising Sun" flag. The use of it remains controversial to this day.

From Yonhap News:

Japanese Government Says Using Rising Sun Flag Is “No Problem”

The Japanese newspaper Sankei Shimbun reported on the 6th that the Shinzo Abe administration has stated that the use of Japan’s Rising Sun flag is “not a problem” and is formulating a plan to officially acknowledge the usage of it, despite it being viewed as a symbol of Japanese militarism in neighboring countries.

The Sankei reported that the Abe administration is preparing to express the ‘no problem’ stance.

According to the report, the Japanese government appears to be pushing for the use of the flag despite it being seen as a symbol of Japanese imperialism and invasion, oblivious to the criticism of its neighbors.

The Rising Sun flag depicts light rays spreading out from the sun on Hinomaru, Japan’s national flag. It was used as Imperial Japan’s military flag during World War II. The Japan Self-Defense Forces are currently using this flag.

The Rising Sun flag made an appearance at last month’s East Asian Football Cup, when one was seen in the Japanese fans’ cheering section. The organizing committee of the U-20 Women’s World Cup, held last August in Japan, prohibited the use of the Rising Sun flag in stadiums.

Korean banners and the Rising Sun flag displayed at the July 28 East Asian Cup final.

Korean banners and the Rising Sun flag displayed at the July 28 East Asian Cup final.

Comments from Nate:

dldl****:

The radiation problem must be really serious in Japan.

hsp2****:

I’m dumbfounded… Even over their neighbors’ opposition, they have no problem using this war criminal flag… It looks like the Abe administration really wants to bring back the spirit of militarism in Japan, tsk tsk. If you use the flag only in your own country, it will be okay… But if you bring it outside, be ready to get shot…

ung0****:

Will Europeans realize how serious this is? It is akin to Germany officially validating the use of the Nazi flag with the hakenkreuz [swastika].

dndn****:

It’s not the Rising Sun flag, it’s the war criminal flag!!!!!!!!!!

skyj****:

 The journalist is calling it the Rising Sun flag? No, let’s call it what it is – the war criminal flag.

kims****:

Hey journalist, how many times should I tell you? It is not the Rising Sun flag. It is the war criminal flag. Why do you keep using the name that isn’t even used in Japan? [The name 'Rising Sun Flag' is used in Japan. The 'Rising Sun Ascension Flag' is the incorrect name that was used in Korean media.]

edwi****:

A country full of people like Ilbe users.

ndea****:

I would like to see them go to a friendly football match in Pyongyang and wave that Rising Sun flag… They will be kidnapped, detained, or shot as if it was an accident due to strong nationalism in North Korea. Their guts are something we can learn from.

cani****:

Independence activist Ahn Jung-geun said in the court these reasons for his assassination of Ito Hirobumi.

1. Assassinating the Korean Empress Myeongseong.
2. Dethroning the Emperor Gojong.
3. Forcing 14 unequal treaties on Korea.
4. Massacring innocent Koreans.
5. Usurping the authority of the Korean government by force.
6. Plundering Korean railroads, mines, forests, and rivers.
7. Forcing the use of Japanese banknotes.
8. Disbanding the Korean armed forces.
9. Obstructing the education of Koreans.
10. Banning Koreans from studying abroad.
11. Confiscating and burning Korean textbooks.
12. Spreading a rumor around the world that Koreans wanted Japanese protection.
13. Deceiving the Japanese Emperor by saying that the relationship between Korea and Japan has been peaceful when in truth it had been full of hostility and conflicts.
14. Breaking the peace of Asia.
15. Assassinating Emperor Komei.

“I killed Ito Hirobumi because he disturbed the peace of the Orient and estranged the relationship between Korea and Japan. I hope that if Korea and Japan get friendlier and are ruled peacefully, they will be a model of cooperation all throughout the five continents. I did not kill Ito misunderstanding his intentions. Treat me as a prisoner of war, as a lieutenant general of a Korean resistance army, instead of a criminal.”

ksy9****:

It looks like blood is being sprayed from a monkey head.

tuks****:

Japan can’t call themselves the root of the sun. They can’t call for Datsu-A when Germany’s post-war reconciliation effort is considered. They can’t call for peace, freedom, truth, and justice when they have problems with history textbooks, territorial disputes with neighbors and right-wing shift. They should not be rearmed.

khid****:

It’s okay~! Japan is on its way to ruin~!! Fukushima was a divine punishment~!! Who thought Japan would sink like this.

rowj****:

When Japan was resisting with Kamikaze instead of surrendering in the Pacific War, I heard General McArthur had a plan to drop ten atomic bombs, deploy ground, air and naval forces all at once and attack fifty cities with chemical weapons, which would’ve annihilated Japan into a barren land. Their population would’ve decreased from 80 million to 20 million and the nation would’ve collapsed. But Japan surrendered as soon as an atomic bomb was dropped. I wish they had resisted a bit longer. The US should’ve put a complete end to Japan back then.

tuks****:

It is right that the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a divine punishment. Japan caused the First Sino-Japanese War, the Russo-Japanese War, and the Eulmi Incident where the Korean Queen was murdered. They took the sovereignty of Korea through the forced Eulsa Treaty. King Gojong and Sunjong were poisoned by them. They massacred innocent Koreans when the Great Kanto Earthquake happened. They drove out numerous people during the Pacific War and the Second Sino-Japanese War. The atomic bombing was a divine punishment indeed.

with****:

Please take down the picture for this article. It is very unpleasant to look at.

tuks****:

The Japanese flag symbolizes a monkey’s red ass. That war criminal flag resembles a monkey’s red anus spilling blood.

bgx1****:

“The war criminal flag is not a problem…” “The radiation is not a problem…” They are rotten in both mind and body. Those radioactive monkeys which have caused so much harm to others just need to disappear already.

poll****:

Is it because of the heat or the radiation? They’ve lost their mind, tsk.

powe****:

It seems they want to show to the world that Japan is a war criminal country~~~ We should not engage with that lowly group~~ Abe, what if your mom was raped~~~? Would you be calm? If you think about your mom and wife, are you not ashamed of your action? Lowly bastards~~~

ksjc****:

To some stupid folks: the war criminal flag is not just a military flag. It includes the far right-wing Japs’ militaristic ideology. That’s why far right-wing Japs go around waving that flag like mad. Think about it, stupid. If it was merely a military flag, why would the far right-wing groups who aren’t military personnel be obsessed with waving it?

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  • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

    I hate flags in general, so I’m no proponent of the Rising Sun Flag, but Britain still proudly waves its Union Jack, despite the gross atrocities committed by the British Empire; and the USA still proudly waves its Star-Spangled Banner despite a healthy record of atrocities and human rights violations. So, too, does Indonesia proudly wave its flag despite a recent history of ethnic cleansing and genocide, not to mention ongoing imperialism in the present day. Ditto for China, the Netherlands, and many if not most other countries. The Rising Sun might “stand” for a reprehensible history, but it’s not unique in this regard.

    • chucky3176

      Your argument for the militaristic flag discredited as soon as you make equivalent Hirohito’s Nazi Allied Japan, massacring millions of people, with Britain and Canada.

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

        Indonesia massacred millions of people––many of them ethnic minorities (particularly Chinese). Turkey massacred 1.5 million Armenians (and gave Hitler the idea for the Holocaust). The British Empire enslaved millions and certainly committed a number of massacres, including jointly with the US in the firebombing of German civilians (most notably, in Dresden). These really aren’t any worse than Imperial Japan’s activities in Korea. It’s true that Japan’s presence in China was of an entirely greater scale, but I don’t think Koreans are upset on behalf of the Chinese.

        • chucky3176

          Armenians have their well known beef with the Turks, they fight their own battles that are similar to Korea/Japan. It has nothing to do with the topic here though. Americans/Britain bombing runs in WWII? Cry me river, Germany, and their butt buddies Japan, started the war first. So that’s what you get for making bombs in your factories. Casualties of war – wrong argument to use. Overall, very weak, very weak. Not even worth my response.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Again, you’re cherry-picking examples. What of Britain’s colonization of India (and other regions) and its intentional exacerbation of the Irish Great Famine, which resulted in one million deaths? Turkey and Japan are not the only two countries to have committed state-sponsored atrocities and still retained the flags they used at the time. I added some extra examples to my original post, which you can read for your edification.

          • Hansaram

            Doesn’t matter what other does because Japan is still guilty.

          • namepen

            I know it is off topic, but Britain did not intentionally exacerbate the Irish famine. If you want to use an example of British malice then use a proper one, there are plenty to choose from.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            That is simply untrue. British policy caused the famine in the first place by colonizing the most productive Irish pasture land to use for farming cows for beef that eventually went to the English, and once the famine was underway, the British government did little to stop it and even tried to prevent the Ottoman Empire from sending food aid.

            More information:

            http://www.economist.com/blogs/prospero/2012/12/irish-famine

          • Yu Bum Suk

            The UK’s and US’s civilian bombing of Germans and Japanese (and Koreans! – many thousands working in Japanese factories also perished) is not exactly the same thing as Japan’s attempt to treat Korea like its retarded little brother, but it was genocide nevertheless. And unlike with Germans and a number of Japanese, it’s something about which many Brits and Americans feel justified and even openly proud. America’s bombing of Korean civilians during the Korean War was likely even worse. Again, that’s different from systemic cultural humiliation, but when many people see red, white, and blue, whether in stars and stripes or crosses, it’s a memory of murder.

        • Hansaram

          Crime committed by other countries does not justify nor lessen the guilt of Japanese war criminals.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            I never said it did. My point is that to focus ONLY on Japan is to employ a hypocritical double standard. How much time do you spend protesting against Turkey and Indonesia? That’s what I thought.

          • Hansaram

            What double standard? Read what Brett said.

            ‘It is no longer the Japanese national flag. The use of the flag at
            soccer matches or other events (especially when Korea is involved) are
            meant to make people upset and angry. The Japanese navy, or coastguard,
            or whoever still use the flag, but thats not exactly flaunting it in
            front of the people it hurts.’

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            People everywhere use flags for the exact same purpose––national pride. Flags are ALWAYS a symbol of a country’s past––as well as its present and future. Therefore any country using any flag is just as guilty of celebrating its past as the Japanese are for using a “former” flag (which isn’t even really a “former” flag since this has always been the flag of the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force).

          • Hansaram

            The problem is it no longer Japanese national flag. And why even use Maritime Self-Defense Force flag in a soccer match against Korea? Obvious propaganda by Japanese nationalists is obvious.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Why use ANY flag at a soccer game? Sports should be about friendly competition, not nationalism.

          • Hansaram

            And Japan bring nationalism in it by bringing the imperial Japan flag. Answer my question, if it’s not representing imperial Japan flag, why Japanese bring Maritime Self-Defense Force flag? You don’t see south Korea or other countries bring their military flag into soccer match. How convenient it is for the Maritime Self-Defense Force flag to look just like imperial Japanese flag.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            You’re ignoring my fundamental point. Why use ANY flag at a soccer game? ALL flags symbolize nationalism. There is no such thing as a non-nationalistic national flag. Whether Japan uses the Rising Sun Flag or the Hinomaru flag, it still represents the exact same thing––the nation of Japan, which is the aggregate of its past, present, and future.

            Recall the Shakespearean line:

            “What’s is a name? A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet.”

            So, too, would a clove of garlic by any other color smell just as pungent.

          • Hansaram

            Your fundamental point is wrong. No,not all flag symbolize nationalism. If they are waving their national flag,the one with one red circle, I would have overlook it. South Korea will overlook it. But the problem is,they wave the one from imperial Japan. As Brett pointed out already,they wave the one that are no longer their national flag. The agenda from Japanese nationalists is obvious here.

            Oh,by the way,when German wave Nazi flag in soccer match,they were fine.
            http://www.thehindu.com/sport/football/uefa-fines-germany-25k-for-fans-neonazi-flag/article3572369.ece

            You don’t see German get fine for waving present day German national flag.

            There’s no double standard here. Japanese waving Imperial Japanese flag are as guilty as German who wave Nazi flag.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Americans wave the same flag they used during the Mỹ Lai massacre, not to mention the Iraq War. And if you disregard the difference in the number of stars, they basically wave the same flag they used during the firebombing of German civilians, the enslavement of African-Americans, and the subjugation of Native Americans.

            The British wave the flag from the British Empire.

            Indonesians wave the same flag from when they murdered and raped hundreds of thousands of Chinese, killed hundreds of thousands of East Timorese, and continue to torture thousands of Papuans.

            Turks still wave the same flag they used when they massacred 1.5 million Armenians.

            Oh, and South Koreans still wave the same flag they used when they raped and massacred thousands of Vietnamese civilians.

            I’m getting pretty sick of having to repeat this stuff, but apparently it’s not getting through.

          • Hansaram

            I like it how you ignore the fact German get fine for using neo Nazi flag. Japan are just equally as guilty. You are being ignorant and not seeing the bigger picture at all.

            As mention too many times,the imperial flag is no longer the same flag as Japan today. So when Japan use the old imperial flag,their intention is obvious. The double standard come form you.

            I will just quote Brett again who already address you earlier on and yet,you still remain ignorant.

            ‘The other countries’ flags you mentioned are the national flags to
            this day, not a past symbol of war atrocities. It’s a little different.
            (Although I would say the rising sun is akin to the confederate flag,
            which is still flown by some [to the discontent of others] in the US)
            The rising sun was used specifically by a military regime, and only from
            the Meiji revolution before them.’

            Not really bright aren’t you,Matt.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Germany is just ONE country. Why are you so damn obsessed with Germany? Germany is NOT the only other country to have committed atrocities––not by a LONG SHOT. The reason for Germany’s castration subsequent to WWII was because it was a European power that lost to other Western powers. If the major Allies of WWII had been Asian instead of Western, you can bet that Japan would have been the one coerced to ban the Rising Sun Flag, and the victorious Asian Allies may very well have ignored the significance of Germany’s Nazi flag.

            To repeat myself AGAIN (hopefully it’ll sink in this time so I don’t have to do it again), YES, Germans get fined for using the neo-Nazi flag––BUT, Brits do not get fined for using the Union Jack; Americans do not get fined for using the Star-Spangled Banner; Romanians do not get fined for using the Romanian flag; Russians do not get fined for using the Russian flag (which was in use during the violent anti-Jewish pogroms during Tsarist Russia), etc.

            Too many people these days have a complete historical amnesia and think Germany and Japan are the only two countries to have committed massive historical atrocities. Don’t forget that the winners write history, and it is no coincidence that Germany and Japan were the two major losers of the last world war.

          • Hansaram

            I brought up Germany to show you that there’s no bias double standard.

            First of all,what does other countries atrocities got anything to do with this topic. We are talking about Japan. The fact you keep bringing up other countries atrocities means that you are trying to play down Japan war atrocities. Other people does that so it’s no big deal. That’s the kind of logic you have now. Nobody says other countries does not commit atrocities. Stop being insecure.

            If the country old flag when atrocities happen and the present day flag design are the same,you can’t blame them for using the same flag. It can not be help. However,in Japan case when they use old flag,which represent Japan imperialism instead of modern day flag. That’s clearly propaganda. The Japanese old flag does not represent country,but rather it’s an ideology and for most, its a symbol of a painful and dark past.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            The fact you keep ignoring other countries’ atrocities means that you are trying to play down their war atrocities. “Other people do that but it’s no big deal.” That’s the kind of logic you have now. Nobody says Japan does not commit atrocities. Stop being insecure.

          • greenhamsters

            To help you out, it’s an informal logical fallacy called special pleading.

          • Brett

            I think I understand what you mean. But I also think you aren’t accounting for the fact that the rising sun was used by a military regime and not officially since the regime lost power. That’s how it is different from other countries’ flags.
            The rising sun, now, is used less as a symbol of national pride, but because the Japanese who fly it know that Koreans find it appauling. Its just real life trolling. Who doesn’t hate a troll?

          • Brett

            Let me just point out that my opinions are just that; opinions. People may or may not agree with them.
            I’m flattered that you would quote what I wrote, but I don’t think I have the credibility to have my words quoted and used in any argument.

          • hju

            You will never get through to a Korean. Cultists are cultists, they’ll bleet and bleet until only what they say is left, reason be damned. Woe is a confucian society.

          • Exman

            Regardless to everything you have said I’ll say this much: waving the Japanese rising sun flag is the same as waving the German nazi swastika flag. The rising sun flag represents immoral and inhuman beliefs from a terrible fucking time in Japanese history and waving it and flaunting it is showing that you support it. Just like when neo nazis wave their swastika flags around. So shut the fuck up you fucking dumb cunt and stop defending it. The rising sun flag is Japan’s own swastika and it shows how evil their government is by allowing it to be sold, manufactured and waved around in Japan. Oh and I repeat. You’re a cunt.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Nothing you said contradicts anything I said, so “shut the fuck up you fucking dumb cunt” and stop defending flags. A country’s flag is its own swastika and it shows how evil their government is by allowing it to be sold, manufactured and waved around in public. Oh and I repeat. You’re a cunt.

          • Exman

            No. You shut the fuck up cunt. You’re trying to start an argument that’s completely off topic “hurr durr, we should use no flags at all. A flag is only bad if it represents a large amount of bad morals and political views. Most of the flags in the modern world are different nowadays. They are not all nationalist symbols because they are not the nazi flag saying “white blonde blue eyed people are the best” or the rising sun flag saying “japanese people are superior”. Most flags these days are just a symbol of their nation or their political agenda. So if some flags are terrible it doesn’t mean all of them are “nationalistic”. Nationalistic means if you believe one country’s people is superior to another. That is a very fucking old world belief and most country’s flags are representative of their culture, politics or religion.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            No. You shut the fuck up cunt. You’re trying to start an argument that’s completely off topic “hurr durr, most national symbols are not nationalistic”. A flag is only good if it represents a common cause in the interest of shared humanity, such as those of the Red Cross or the UN. Most of the flags in the modern world are the complete opposite of that. They are nationalist symbols because they are symbols of their nation or their political agenda. If
            flags are “national symbols” then yes, they are therefore inherently nationalistic. Nationalistic means if you prioritize your country’s interests above those of other countries, instead of recognizing your common identity as a single species. That is a very fucking new world belief and most countries’ flags are still representative of their exclusive culture, politics or religion.

          • Lillian

            Hey cunt, shut the fuck up, Japanese nationalist. Why are you always constantly causing trouble on these websites?

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Amusing that I’m the one denouncing all nationalism and you have the gonads to call me a Japanese nationalist. Pretty bizarre how you only show up once every couple of months, and seemingly only to reprimand me. You’re like a guardian angel from hell.

          • Asian Male Insecurity

            I think you make the mistake of assuming that because group identities are by necessity exclusionary to some degree, this makes them bad. Those identities, and their symbols, and co-exist in spite of these exclusionary tendencies, provided the propensity for violence is minimized (which is best achieved through bilateral/intergovernmental approaches to foreign relations, not supranational, impositional ones).

          • greenhamsters

            The problem is he is no longer a Admiral in the Korean navy. And why even use a Yi Sun-shin banner in a soccer match against Japan? Obvious propaganda by Korean nationalists is obvious.

            The reality is that both Japanese and Korean fans have engaged in political statements at football matches. Neither is innocent.

            I have a solution. When a Japanese fan flies the Rising Sun or a Korean fan flies a Dokdo sign, then the Korean fans or Japanese fans respectively should walk over an offer the person a beer. Break through the barriers with kindness rather than angry protests cast in a way to demonize a whole nation of people. It’s easy to angry. It’s difficult to be nice. Take the difficult path. You might learn that not everything is as black and white as it is often painted.

          • chucky3176

            Matt, Matt, Matt.. the flags alone are not the problem. It’s the attitude of many Japanese and their government, PLUS the flag which IS the problem. That flag just reminds a lot of people the attitude of the current Japan as a nation that glorifies their past military history. The flag is the igniter that lights up the torch. I doubt this flag would have been this controversial, if Japan had come clean about their past instead of white washing them. But they haven’t. So this flag symbolizes to many in Korea, Japan’s defiance. And I’m sure that’s also used by many in Japan – a symbol of defiance for many Japanese that they’re sticking it to Koreans by waving it.

          • Hansaram

            Matt fail to realize when German wave neo Nazi flag,German get fine. Japan is just equally as guilty. He’s not seeing the bigger picture here and derail from topic by bringing out other war crimes committed by other countries.

          • Rutim

            > the flags alone are not the problem. It’s the attitude of many Japanese
            and their government, PLUS the flag which IS the problem.

            You can make a comparision with Germany which still uses the Iron Cross as their symbol. Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine employed the same sign on their flags as now Bundeswehr is using. But I haven’t read from anyone in Europe that they have problem with German forces for bringing up that symbol for their logo…

          • chucky3176

            Jesus, you’re still bringing up Germany. Haven’t you read any of the posts here? ONCE AGAIN THE FACT> GERMANY HAS DONE HECK OF A MORE TO ATONE THAN JAPAN.

            Once again, I repeat, it’s not just the flag, it’s the flag plus the attitude which makes Japan’s case, uncomparable to Germany. Nobody questions their use of iron cross because nobody questions their attitude towards Jews. Japan on the other hand…. we know they idolizes their Imperial past. That’s the crux of the difference, Rutim.

          • Rutim

            > Nobody questions their use of iron cross because nobody questions their attitude towards Jews.

            I haven’t heard they attacked a Jewish country in Europe. But I heard that they attacked Poland, Norway, Belgium, Holland, France, USSR, Denmark… And killed millions of people in that process… In Europe people don’t care too much about Jews but do care about their family members killed during the war.

            No one questions it because people in Europe are much more sane and don’t want another war there. Besides, the Kyokujitsuki wasn’t a problem until few years ago. The same with comfort women issue… The people there didn’t care too much about that until it was brought up by the press for a political push.

            > ONCE AGAIN THE FACT> GERMANY HAS DONE HECK OF A MORE TO ATONE THAN JAPAN.

            Exactly what? Writing in their newspapers about ‘Polish concentration camps’? I haven’t heard about Japanese press covering Unit 731 and calling it Chinese…

          • jushin100

            chucky3176 has lots of ideas. Unfortunately he can’t back them up with any proof.

            “Japan on the other hand…. we know they idolizes their Imperial past.”

            It means “I’ve never lived in Japan so I don’t really know but I’m guessing Japan idolizes their Imperial past because I want to believe that so I can bash Japan”.

            This is a list of daily newspapers in Japan with their circulation (2007):-

            Yomiuri : conservative (high quality paper) 10,042,075
            Asahi : Left (high quality paper) 8,093,885
            Seikyo : Buddhism 5,500,000
            Mainichi : Liberal/left (high quality paper) 3,974,559
            Chunichi Shimbun/Tokyo Shimbun : Left (high quality paper) 3,475,049
            Nihon Keizai : Economy (high quality paper) 3,034,481
            Tokyo Sports : (Sports) 2,228,000
            Sankei : Right (high quality paper) 2,191,587
            Nikkan Sports 1,970,000
            Nikkan Gendai : Left (Tabloid) 1,681,500
            Akahata (Red Flag) : Communist Party bulletin 1,680,000
            Yukan Fuji : Right (Tabloid) 1,559,000
            Houchi Shimbun : (Sports) 1,428,000
            Sankei Sports 1,367,734
            Hokkaido Shimbun : Left (high quality paper) 1,209,231
            Daily Sports 963,000
            Chunichi Sports/Tokyo Chunichi Sports 942,034
            Nishinippon Shimbun : Left (high quality paper) 852,943
            Chugoku Shimbun : Left (high quality paper) 719,194
            Shizuoka Shimbun : Left (high quality paper) 717,000
            Kobe Shimbun : Left (high quality paper) 562,011
            Kyoto Shimbun : Left (high quality paper) 506,841
            Kahoku Shimpo : Liberal (high quality paper) 504,953

            You won’t get a lot of logic from chucky3176.
            Despite the high number of left wing and liberal newspapers he will most probably tell you that the readers of the communist newspaper Akihata are secret right wing fascists because “I know they are”

          • Ralph

            The German Iron Cross symbol predates the Nazis so whether the Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine used it during Nazi rule is irrelevant.

          • dusjanbe

            You’re damn thick.

            Just answer 2 questions

            1. What have the Republic of Turkey done to Chinese/Koreans during 20th century ?

            2. What have Imperial Japan done to Chinese/Koreans during 20th century ?

            Using your absurd standard, the Armenians should be lobbying for Tibetans/rohingya/Hazara/ albinos in Africa instead of getting recognition for their own sake first

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            “Using your absurd standard, the Armenians should be lobbying for Tibetans/rohingya/Hazara/ albinos in Africa”

            They certainly ought to. If everyone only looked out for themselves, WWII would have ended with a successful Nazi Empire and a successful Japanese Empire, perhaps both allied with a United States of America amplifying its leverage of the Monroe Doctrine. Ignoring the plight of others is what allowed the Rwanda genocide to go ignored.

          • dusjanbe

            WWII fought with different mindset and goals of each combatants, the only reason they got on each side is because of circumstances that force them into alliances.

            Is just wishful dreaming, they wouldn’t have time or resource for other lobbying activities anyway

      • jushin100

        It makes you wonder what they think of the South Korean flag in Vietnam because of the Vietnam war.
        Diên Niên – Phước Bình massacre, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dien_Nien-Phuoc_Binh_Massacre

        Binh An village massacre
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_Dai_massacre

        Binh Hoa village massacre
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binh_Hoa_massacre

        Binh Tai village massacre
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binh_Tai_massacre

        Tay Vinh village massacre
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_Vinh_massacre

        etc… etc…

    • Brett

      I don’t think I disagree with too much that you wrote. However, I contend that the “rising sun” flag is merely a window into a dark past. It is no longer the Japanese national flag. The use of the flag at soccer matches or other events (especially when Korea is involved) are meant to make people upset and angry. The Japanese navy, or coastguard, or whoever still use the flag, but thats not exactly flaunting it in front of the people it hurts.

      The other countries’ flags you mentioned are the national flags to this day, not a past symbol of war atrocities. It’s a little different. (Although I would say the rising sun is akin to the confederate flag, which is still flown by some [to the discontent of others] in the US) The rising sun was used specifically by a military regime, and only from the Meiji revolution before them.

      I’m pretty sure the Japanese citizens know that there are many people who disagree with the use of the rising sun. If Japan didn’t think the flag was offensive to some, it wouldn’t have told its citizens to not carry or fly them during the Beijing Olympics. It wouldn’t ignite so much debate within the Japanese and international communities.

      Anyways, it would be much easier if offenders of using hurtful symbols (not limited to the rising sun) would stop, than if the offended stop getting offended.

      • Guest

        I agree with Brett’s argument, the fact that they’re no longer the current modern day flag means that they can’t be mistaken for anything other than a symbol of the past.

        Personally, I don’t see the big deal, but I’m the kind of guy who wouldn’t care about a person waving a Nazi flag around.

        Think about it though, if the leader of Germany OK’d the usage of the Nazi flag, wouldn’t there be outrage as well?

        • lonetrey / Dan

          oh FFS. I posted this to the wrong post, and it won’t let me delete it completely nor repost it in response to Matt.

          Guess I’ll post a shortened version to him instead. -___-

        • Butsu

          The Navy has been using it since forever, and they still do. Albeit a slightly modified ver. Which means they never really parted ways with the flag, like Germany did. And iirc, the flag itself is from the Edo period? Unlike the Nazi flag it wasn’t always a symbol of war and imperialism. I do understand though why some Asians will find it offensive.

      • Butsu

        “The other countries’ flags you mentioned are the national flags to this day, not a past symbol of war atrocities.”

        Tell this to people from Congo, and see how they feel about the Belgian flag. I have a friend from Congo who even refuses to eat strawberries from Belgium.

        Personally, national flags or not, I don’t see the difference. What I find amusing though is how the Soviet flag is always an exception of all of this. Anyone know why?

        • Brett

          a grudge against a specific country for past grievances and a grudge against a symbol of hate (for what it stands for) are two different things.
          I feel that most Koreans don’t have bad feelings towards Japanese people, but rather the Japanese government stance that the occupation (and everything that came along with it) and WWII were not as bad as Korea is making it out to be.
          It was only 3 generations ago, some people are still alive, and the Japanese government has been consistently disrespectful in this regards.

          • chucky3176

            Brett, Bingo. You are quite right. Something a number of people just can’t get that through their thick heads.

          • Brett

            I don’t even know what some people are talking about when it comes to this.
            The point is, the flag makes people upset because of how it was used by the imperialist army. Japanese should stop using it, even if only to piss off Koreans at soccer games.

          • Butsu

            Belgium colonizing Congo and Japan colonizing Korea is the exact same thing. What little king Leopold II did was just as disgusting, killing 2 – 15 million people. In the end there’s no difference. And calling it a “past grievance” is just ridicoulus.

          • Brett

            Sorry; war crime, genocide, horific event. Whatever you want to call it, the thing you originally quoted was argument about the flag, and thats what I responded to.
            Take your p.c. play on words elsewhere. Do the people of Congo hate Belgium or what Belgium’s flag stands for? Thats the only question that matters in the comparison you made.

          • Butsu

            “Do the people of Congo hate Belgium or what Belgium’s flag stands for?”

            Some of them still do for sure. And how do you define what a flag stands for? Isn’t that completely in the eye of the beholder?

          • Brett

            Yea, but the beholder of a Japanese eye or a Korean eye is clearly going to be biased. Therefore, again, it’s easier for all to stop flying the flag than for people to stop getting upset because of it.

            You never answered my question. The appropriate answer is 1 of 3 choices; “they hate Belgium, the flag is just a piece of cloth” or “the flag for sure, the people are actually alright for the most part” or “non of the above” . There is a difference and it is totally applicable to this situation.

          • Butsu

            My friend hates everything though. From flag to people, beer to strawberries and everything in between. I’m pretty sure not everyone from Congo is like this. And there’s high chance that there are people from both #1 and #2 in your choices.

          • Brett

            I was trying to make sure the point that Koreans don’t hate Japanese people. Koreans hate the Japanese national stance that it’s okay to say or do anything and if it hurts the Koreans, too bad.

            This story’s title is “Japanese PM says using rising sun flag no problem”. Well it is a problem to Koreans. Koreans still associate that flag with occupation, imperialism, and being used and abused for years.

            I don’t know anything about Belgium and Congo. I don’t know why you made the comparison unless the people of Congo specifically want the Belgium government to stop using its flag. Because that’s what Korea wants.

    • spazmo

      I agree with you, but am torn at the same time.

      You see, I would have no problem with the raising sun had it been the national flag of Japan even after all the atrocities and such. But it is not, and that’s where the problem arises. I know it’s cliched but, the raising sun is seriously not too different from the nazi flag; it does not represent a country, but an ideology and for most, its a symbol of a painful and dark past.

      Japan already has problems with regards to her past and if she wants to recover and rise as being better than before, she should first be more sensitive with regards of her actions in the past(at least for the sake of keeping the peace).
      Again, let’s use the nazi flag as an example; I believe there would be an equal, if not more outrage if Germany kept the nazi flag and continued to use it as a flag for its military or so, but that doesn’t stop certain people from waving it in front of other people’s face does it? The only difference is, you don’t have the president of Germany condoning such behavior so other people understand that it’s just a few idiots being, well idiots.

      • Hansaram

        Agree with you. I would not have problems if raising sun had been the national flag of Japan. German get fine for waving neo Nazi flag. Japan are just equally guilty.

    • Yu Bum Suk

      But Canada changed its flag from the nasty Red Ensign around the time we stopped doing really nasty things to Native Indians / First Nations People / Amerindians / whatever the hell they’re called now. Not many people know but this was Canada’s main national anthem well into the 20th century:

      In days of yore, from Britain’s shore,

      Wolfe, the dauntless hero, came

      And planted firm Britannia’s flag

      On Canada’s fair domain.

      Here may it wave, our boast our pride

      And, joined in love together,

      The thistle, shamrock, rose entwine

      The Maple Leaf forever!

      Chorus:

      The Maple Leaf, our emblem dear,

      The Maple Leaf forever!

      God save our Queen and Heaven bless

      The Maple Leaf forever!

      At Queenston Heights and Lundy’s Lane,

      Our brave fathers, side by side,

      For freedom, homes and loved ones dear,

      Firmly stood and nobly died;

      And those dear rights which they maintained,

      We swear to yield them never!

      Our watchword evermore shall be

      “The Maple Leaf forever!”

      Chorus

      Our fair Dominion now extends

      From Cape Race to Nootka Sound;

      May peace forever be our lot,

      And plenteous store abound:

      And may those ties of love be ours

      Which discord cannot sever,

      And flourish green o’er freedom’s home

      The Maple Leaf forever!

      Chorus

      On merry England’s far famed land

      May kind heaven sweetly smile,

      God bless old Scotland evermore

      and Ireland’s Em’rald Isle!

      And swell the song both loud and long

      Till rocks and forest quiver!

      God save our Queen and Heaven bless

      The Maple Leaf forever!
      Chorus

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

        Forced sterilization, which wasn’t specific to the First Nations but was still a pretty abhorrent eugenics program, continued in Alberta and British Columbia until 1972 and 1973, respectively.

        I must say, as an American, I find that national anthem highly offensive. :D

        • Yu Bum Suk

          Well than you can imagine what the Quebecois thought of it.

          I had no idea BC was still sterilising until 1973. I guess they barely missed me!

        • chucky3176

          You are missing the point entirely, idiot. It’s not the fact that Canada did horrible things to native indians. Every country has dark past. It’s the fact that Canada isn’t going around telling everyone that those native indians sold out their country to the white man, for blankets and liquor, saying it was all legal treaties. Then Canada going around saying the white man helped the indians and civilized them, and educating them, giving medicine. Nor is Canada going around changing all the text books saying there were no massacres of Indians by white man, that those damn dirty Indians are all lying about atrocities. Nor is Canada waving the old British union jack in front of Native Indians, to deliberately provoke them into responding with negativity. Canada at least teaches about what wrongs their ancestors have done, and there are no Canadian politicians that pop up every other week, saying stupid stuff like denying that Canada never mistreated the native Indieans. You can’t understand this little fact. Why? It’s simply really, because you’re a Japan Apologist.

          • Jurippe

            Actually, like most countries guilty of atrocities, Canada just simply glosses over most of the atrocities they’re done. Just enough that it doesn’t upset people but still get the message that they made an “ooopsie.”

          • greenhamsters

            It is unclear what you mean by Canada and Japan. To evaluate your comparison, we need a clear definition of these terms. Without clear definitions, there are far too many nooks and crannies within which bad arguments can hide.

          • Yu Bum Suk

            Canadians fisking = Japan apologists?

    • lonetrey / Dan

      I agree with Brett’s argument, the fact that they’re no longer the current modern day flag means that they can’t be mistaken for anything other than a symbol of the past.

      Think about it though, if the leader of Germany OK’d the usage of the Nazi flag, wouldn’t there be outrage as well?

    • dusjanbe

      You’re asking Armenians to care about what the Chinese are doing in
      Tibet basically, while most of them don’t give a rat”s ass since China
      is none of their business.

      Why are you comparing
      Korean/Chinese/Japan East Asian regional grievances with stuff that are
      unrelated and unheard of by everyone you named up.

      Is good for Moral relativism philosophy classes in college but have NO use the real world.

      Really, how is all that solving Japan’s current problems with is neighbors ?

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

        Well, I think of people as humans, not products of nationalities––most of which were constructed artificially to increase and leverage the power of the state over the masses of people.

        • dusjanbe

          20th century is all about national states going to war other national states/entity, a collected “mass of the others” attacking a collected “mass of others” on unprecedented scale leaving little untouched for ordinary people

          .Yet you wondering why nations hold grievances in the 21th century ?

    • Monkeekong

      you hate flags in general? why do you hate flags what did flags do to you???

  • Isaac

    This flag reminds me of radiation spewing out of nowhere. I guess It’s appropriate for Japan.

    • meh

      move on koreans

      • Ryan Kim

        tell the jews to move on and see what happens dumbass

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

          The Jews don’t continue to hate on Germans…

          • terriblemovie

            Germans are genuine with their apologies.

            Japan continues to distort history, justify atrocities, visit monkey shrine, wave Nazi-equivalent flag, and elect politicians who are poorly educated.

            No shit Germans and Jews have better relations.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Numerous countries distort history, justify atrocities, visit military memorials, wave flags that were used when the atrocities occurred, and elect politicians who are poorly educated.

          • john freyan

            Is that right? So I’d imagine that the King of Belgium regularly go on the air and talk about how those ingrates in Congo should be more grateful for everything Belgium has done for their people? (Hey, we built their first railroads!) Does Obama go on a press conference and talk about how the Phillipines War was the best thing that has ever happened to that country? Do British PMs regularly call the Indian victims of imperialism “willing whores”? Can Angela Merkel write an editorial for major German newspapers praising the virtues and achievements of the Glorious Third Reich’s attempt at ‘liberating’ the other European countries and providing the Furher’s infinite benevolence to the wretched without losing her job within the week?

            Because, as far as I can see, your attempt at distracting the issue (with “everyone does it, so w/e”, no less) is really inane.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Does the Emperor of Japan regularly go on the air and talk about how those ingrates in Korea should be more grateful for everything Japan has done for their people? No, he doesn’t. In fact, the last two Japanese emperors––both Hirohito and Akihito––have expressly refused to visit Yasukuni Shrine since 1978. Imagine the domestic political bloodbath if Obama announced he would no longer visit Arlington Cemetery due to war criminals being buried there. Obama *does* go on press conferences and call the Palestinians terrorists––while simultaneously subsidizing Israel to colonize their land. British netizens ROUTINELY make comments saying that British imperialism was the best thing that ever happened to India/Hong Kong/etc. Many Russians *continue* to support Stalin––despite the well-documented genocidal effects of his relocation policies for ethnic minorities.

            As far as I can see, the attempts of many here at ignoring the greater perspective on the issue (with “everyone does it, but so what?”) is really inane. I’m not saying what Japan is doing is right––I’m saying what Japan is doing is TYPICAL, and anyone who obsesses over Japan but casts a blind eye toward injustices elsewhere is a hypocrite.

          • john freyan

            Yes, clearly, the Head of State of Japan is the Emperor. It couldn’t possibly be the democratically elected Shinzo Abe. Yep. Must be the Emperor.

            And I don’t remember, when was the last time US invaded Palestine and raped/murdered/pillaged the civilians?

            British netizens ROUTINELY make comments saying that British imperialism
            was the best thing that ever happened to India/Hong Kong/etc.Many Russians *continue* to support Stalin––despite the well-documented genocidal effects of his relocation policies for ethnic minorities.

            yes, Netizens’ ramblings are exactly the equivalent of major politicians like Ishihara, Hashimoto, Abe, and 1/4 of the legislative branch publicly saying those things. Yep. Anything to cloud the issue, right?

            I’m saying what Japan is doing is TYPICAL, and anyone who obsesses over
            Japan but casts a blind eye toward injustices elsewhere is a hypocrite.

            You know what you are? You’re the guy who argues against “We really should do something about the recent crime waves in our neighborhood.” by saying “Why? There are thousands of innocent people getting murdered in Africa. Why are you being a hypocrite and just picking on the local criminals?”

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Yes, clearly, the HEAD OF STATE of Belgium is the King. It couldn’t POSSIBLY be the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Elio Di Rupo. Yep. Must be the King.

          • john freyan

            Dude, you’re just cherry picking. You know what I was trying to say with the King of Belgium bit. It reeks of desperation, by the way, to resort to cherry picking and comparing what Netizens say to what Japanese officials say in an official setting.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            So you can make a statement about the King of Belgium, but when I make an analogous statement about the Emperor of Japan, you act like I’m the biggest moron in the world.

            And I DID reference elected national leaders. Indirectly subsidizing imperialism (Israel) is not any better than directly engaging in it. Furthermore, have you forgotten about Bush and his “Axis of evil”, throwing salt in the wounds of a country like Iran whose progressive, democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh was overthrown in a coup d’état orchestrated by the MI6 and the CIA and replaced by the authoritarian military regime of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, which allowed for the de-nationalisation of Iran’s oil industry and therefore allowed the Anglos to rape the country’s natural resources while the Iranian people paid the heavy price.

          • john freyan

            Again, all you’re doing is “Why are you picking on that murderer? What about the thousands of others across the world? Why are you only fixated on that guy? What’re you, a hypocrite?” And you’re still completely ignoring the fact that you compared what random Netizens say online as an equivalent to what democratically-elected politicians say in public.

            Have you obfuscated the discussion enough yet? Or do you have more lists of worldly atrocities that will distract from the issue?

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            The problem with your analogy is that it assumes the ones doing the “picking on” are not murderers themselves.

            If a murderer picks on “that murderer”, do you not think that’s hypocritical?

            Likewise, if someone from a “murderer” country condemns Japan for being a murderer country, are they not being hypocritical?

            Making erroneous statements is not the only form of dishonesty. Omission of facts (i.e., negligence of perspective) is also a form of dishonesty. The rants of a murderer about another murderer fall on deaf ears. A violent neo-Nazi who justifies his bigotries by citing ethnic minority crime statistics is still a hypocritical d-bag. Surely if Japanese netizens condemned Turkey for ignoring the Armenian genocide, you would consider that hypocritical?

          • john freyan

            Likewise, if someone from a “murderer” country condemns Japan for being a murderer country, are they not being hypocritical?

            No. Because in this case, only one country has Prime Ministers and major politicians flaunting their country’s horrific past with pride against the victim countries regularly. Again, yet again, you’re obfuscating the issue. The issue is that a Japanese PM just said the Japanese Nazi flags are totally cool to fly, and you’re just going “Well, Americans murdered Arabs in the middle east.”

            Seriously. Even for a member of the Tenno Heika Banzai!-Gaijin Squad, your attempt at clouding the issue is really pathetic. It’s the classic tu quoque fallacy – except only Japan has the elected politicians who consistently state bullshits that, in other countries, only random netizens on anonymous forums say. And with political popularly boost to show for it, no less!

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Again––yet again––you’re obfuscating the issue by acting like only the Japanese flag could be comparable to the Nazi flag, while ignoring the fact that so many OTHER flags could be comparable to the Nazi flag, although the mainstream public is completely blind to this reality.

            American, British, Turkish, Indonesian, and Russian politicians do not need to profess their support for their flags sharing “Nazi-esque” qualities because no one ever contests this point. So what you’re really condemning the Japanese for is responding to being confronted for these very same arguments that are equally applicable but not nonetheless not levied at other countries.

            If enough people spoke out against the genocidal Indonesian government’s whitewashing of its recent post-WWII history, you can be sure that Indonesian politicians would be defending their country and their flag with the utmost of patriotic talking points. The difference is that they don’t need do so because they’re not being confronted about it.

            If Hitler won and conquered Europe and allied with the rest of the world, he would never have needed to have justified the Holocaust because no one would have confronted him about it. Don’t forget that winners write history. Indonesia and Turkey are “democracies”, and therefore everything they do is “good” or at least “excusable”, according to our “independent” media under the watchful eye of our “democratic” governments.

          • nitrostat

            that’s why they didn’t move on.. for instance the Armenians and the Turks… still hate each other… just because there was a war… doesn’t make it right.

          • chucky3176

            Nor do Germans hate on Jews.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Hatred certainly begets hate. Practically all ethnic/racial hatred in the world can be attributed to the hater assuming the recipient of the hatred already initiated the hatred in the first place. They all fancy themselves as merely reciprocating that which they have already received.

            Anyway, it’s worth noting that Germany is far more anti-Israel than Japan is anti-S.Korea:

            Japanese view of South Korea, 2013:
            • 19% positive | 28% negative :: net -9%

            German view of Israel, 2013:
            • 8% positive | 67% negative :: net -59%

            Source: BBC World Service GlobeScan/PIPA poll, 2013

            Obviously Israel is not a direct proxy for “Jews”, so here are some other noteworthy statistics:

            • 22% of Germans believe “Jews have too much power in the business world.”

            • 24% of Germans believe “Jews have too much power in international financial markets.”

            • 43% of Germans believe “Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust.”

            Source: “Attitudes Toward Jews In Ten European Countries”, First International Resources, March 2012

            So Germany isn’t quite as pro-Jewish and “reformed” as everyone makes it out to be.

          • chucky3176

            You are equating “dislike” of a country with “hatred”?

            There are reasons why countries dislike other countries, and it does not necessarily have to do with personal hatred of others. People may dislike other countries, not necesarily due to race or history, but current policy of nations. Germans may dislike Israel because Germans may not agree with Israel’s Middle Eastern policy. That has nothing to do with hatred. Same for Korea. Koreans may dislike Japan, due to Japanese govenrment policy, but the dislike or hate may not extend to individual Japanese as a people. If you ask Koreans on street if they hate Japan, they’ll say. But if you ask if they hate the Japanese people they see on the street, they’ll say “no”.

            You are misusing this poll.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Why in the world do you think I cited three different poll questions? I stated myself: “Obviously Israel is not a direct proxy for Jews, so here are some other noteworthy statistics”––did you not continue reading the rest of my comment? Those last three questions specifically had to do with Jewish people, not Israel.

            The most relevant poll statistic was the last one, in which 43% of Germans believe “Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust.” I would not be surprised if the percentage of Japanese who believe Koreans still talk too much about what happened to them in WWII is approximately similar.

            Germany’s leaders did indeed apologize in the past, and Germans are sensible enough to not stir the pot and tarnish their reputations in the present. But that does not mean they are less anti-Jewish than Japanese are anti-Korean, as evident by these statistics. Modern-day Germans are fortunate that their predecessors were smart. Modern-day Japanese find themselves in an entirely different and incomparable situation, where they feel like they have to defend themselves against accusations of evil based on the actions of their deceased predecessors. In 2010, the median age in Japan was 44.6 years, meaning the average Japanese alive today was born roughly in 1965. You may say that all these folks have to do is apologize, but why should they apologize for something that occurred TWO DECADES before they were even BORN?

            You should not be surprised by a GROWING right-wing reaction. When pushed up against the wall, people WILL eventually fight back. Fortunately, Japanese society is geriatric and therefore will never become militant again, but don’t be surprised that they’ve lost their patience with being demonized for not apologizing for a prior generation’s mistakes.

          • chucky3176

            Matt Matt Matt… if Germans feel the Jews talk too much about the war.. at least Germany did a heck of a lot to atone for WWII! What has Japan done, which even comes close to what Germany has done to atone? Japan on the other hand? To this day, they still keep bringing their history on their own and keep picking on the scabs. Nobody told Abe to speak up, nobody told Hashinoto to comment, nobody told Aso to comment. Japan won’t let Korea forget and move on. They keep bringing this up!

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Do you think the Japanese would keep mentioning this stuff if they weren’t being hounded about it? Obviously Japan has more to gain than lose by pretending the past never happened. Indeed, in Germany, it’s illegal to deny the Holocaust––you think Japanese wouldn’t like for the whole world to forget about its history of atrocities? National governments have no choice to be patriotic and not exhibit any sentiment that could be deemed anti-patriotic. This is why American politicians routinely cast a deaf ear toward valid accusations that the USA has perpetrated numerous evils in the Middle East and Latin America. When Obama received “Las venas abiertas de América Latina” (“Open Veins of Latin America: Five Centuries of the Pillage of a Continent”) from Hugo Chávez, he received a ton of flack merely for having *accepted* the gift. Hell, he even received criticism for bowing to the Japanese emperor––the symbolic leader of an uncontroversial American ally. Patriotism is the inevitable poison of national politics; to expect national politicians (who are by nature selfish egomaniacs looking to get reelected) to respond to questioning of national righteousness with anything but patriotic political posturing is just unrealistic.

          • nitrostat

            “national governments have no choice to be patriotic and not exhibit any sentiment that could be deemed anti-patriotic”

            hmm… i wonder if Germany followed this protocol after WW2? go figure…

          • someguy

            Don’t bother with people like Matt, Chucky. He’s your typical netouyo who keeps defending Japan while hating on Chinese and Koreans, blind to his own hypocrisy and racism. You’d have much greater chances of success if you try to convince Al Qaeda members to swear loyalty to America than to change a netouyo’s mind on Chinese and Koreans.

          • Zappa Frank

            the fact is that this kinds of things are just asian issues as europeans can move on, while asians have to “don’t lose face” and save memories of dears ancestors, so keep on denying all faults.. koreans would have done the same, or better they’re doing the same as something happened in vietnam like Phong Nhi and Phong Nhat massacre remember us.

            My lai is still a shame for americans,The koreans massacres in Vietnam are still denied by koreans.. This tell us that in asia you can mix up your cards, doesn’t change the result.

          • ChuckRamone

            People act like this kind of historical remembrance is peculiar to Korea. Let’s see … the people of Vicksburg didn’t celebrate the 4th of July after the Civil War – only after World War II ended did they resume, which was a period of 80-something years. The Greeks are still pissed off about the Fourth Crusade, which ended in 1202. The World War I Battle of Tannenburg was called that by the Germans as payback for their loss to Russian knights in 1410.

            That’s the way history works, people. It doesn’t just disappear. World War II ended barely a second ago as far as human history is concerned. Whether it’s rational for humans to behave like this is another matter, but that’s how it works. Stop acting so surprised at it.

          • Rutim

            > The World War I Battle of Tannenburg was called that by the Germans as payback for their loss to Russian knights in 1410

            I’m learning something new every time I read the Internet :/

          • Zappa Frank

            Dear Chucky, franklin speaking i’ve never heard about the issues that you said, and i doubt actually there’s someone who’s complaining about them. Facts are that after the 2WW, just few years after the 1WW, than after something important we’ve broken this circle of hatred, so much the UE itself has been founded from a commercial agreement between Germany and France who were once enemy as Japan and Korea…or even more. We’ve been also heavily bombed by US, many civilians got killed, but even in this case we do not have any heat for them. Actually the only heat you can find is just due to economic crisis.
            What I wanted point out is that Korea apparently is not different from Japan except that by chance Japan conquered Korea, but seems that Korea as well as get the chance do the same as Japan did and refuse to apologize. So i may be wrong, but apparently in asia to admit a fault is not a simple matter, regardless if it’s japan or korea.

          • dk2020

            Why did the ROK send so many troops to Vietnam considering they were still a third world country in the 60′s? They weren’t really obligated to fight in that war either ..

            http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2679007.stm

          • Zappa Frank

            and than what does it change? The reasons to be there are meaningless, we just talk about what they did and what was widely accepted as “normal” among koreans during the war, so much that they even manage to justify my lay massacre did by americans, of course, because they were doing the same. So i think we could suspect that korenas are not that morally superior to japanase, they were just weaker in that moment of history.

          • Dave Baxter

            It is outrageous that Korean politicians visit the national cemetary, in Seoul, every year where Korean war criminals from the Vietnam war are buried and honored there.
            South Korea has never made even one apology to Vietnam but Korean politicians honor these criminals there every year.
            Diên Niên – Phước Bình massacre, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dien_Nien-Phuoc_Binh_Massacre
            Binh An village massacre, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_Dai_massacre
            Binh Hoa village massacre, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binh_Hoa_massacre
            Binh Tai village massacre, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binh_Tai_massacre
            Tay Vinh village massacre, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_Vinh_massacre

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UslLqy1tu44
            etc… etc…

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UslLqy1tu44
            etc… etc…

            It makes you wonder what they think of the South Korean flag in Vietnam because of the Vietnam war.

            South Korea has also never apologised for it’s peoples role in WWII war crimes. Over 100 Koreans were sentenced in the Tokyo war crimes tribuneral but South Korea has refused to apologise. Remember, it was decided during Nuremberg and at the Tokyo trials that taking orders was no excuse for the crime. South Koreans were often used as concentration camp guards in the Japanese army and were often directly responsible for the mistreatment of POW’s.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Being anti-hatred and anti-nationalism does not make me a netouyo.

            If I’m racist against Chinese, then you’re racist against Koreans. So fuck you, racist asshole.

          • Lillian

            Fuck you right back, racist ass—-.

          • Lillian

            This post actually shows the level of intelligence you have, which is tremendously small. You use big words and you plagiarize off of Wikipedia, but when someone calls you out for being the Japanese netuoyu that you are (why else would you fervently support Japan so much), you respond with f- you, racist a-. So fuck you right back.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Even if I were the stupidest person on the planet, that still wouldn’t render anything I say less true. Facts are facts, regardless of who expresses them. If you can’t go for the jugular by rebutting the substance of my comments, then don’t bother embarrassing yourself by pulling the same cliché “you’re so stupid” card that everyone on the Internet has already heard to the point of exasperation.

            My only allegiance is with the truth. I’m sorry that the truth does not coincide with your sentiments, but that’s neither my responsibility nor my concern.

          • dk2020

            Jews don’t hate on Germans .. but they sure do hate on Arabs and Palestinians ..

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            True, but that doesn’t really have anything to do my original comment, which was about modern-day hatred based on historical remembrance. Jews and Arabs hate each other based on stuff that’s happening in the present.

          • Ryan Kim

            The hatred between arabs and jews has existed for centuries wtf are you talking about? It’s not just about the present issues.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            That is absolutely not true. Arabs themselves repeatedly insist that Arabs and Jews had “lived side-by-side in peace” for centuries before the creation of Israel. You must be confusing this with centuries of Arab-European conflict between Muslims and Christians (like the Crusades), which had absolutely nothing to do with Arab-Jewish relations, and in fact Arabs like to boast that they took in Jewish refugees from European persecution.

          • MintyBadger

            Palestinians on the other hand….

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            As I already pointed out to dk2020, that has absolutely nothing to do with my original comment, which was about contemporary hatred based on historical grievances. Jews
            and Arabs hate each other based on stuff that’s happening in the present.

          • Ryan Kim

            Maybe if the Japs behaved the way Germans have there wouldn’t be this much tension. Germany has apologized sincerely year by year and are also paying millions to the victims even to this day.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Japan has apologized year after year and has also paid millions to its victims. I wouldn’t be surprised if Japan has actually apologized MORE times than Germany. I could post several dozen instances of Japanese apologies throughout the decades. How many examples of German apologies could you post? A dozen? More?

          • Ryan Kim

            Please post an article that states that Japan has paid a billion dollars to the Korean victims in the past 10 years. And yet you wonder why the Jews don’t hate the Germans today lol.

            http://www.eutimes.net/2013/06/germany-agrees-to-pay-1-billion-in-additional-reparations-to-jews/

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Is this a joke? That website is a complete and utter fraud. Perhaps you didn’t bother to actually read the article you linked, but I did, and just take a look at this “journalism”:

            “The decision of the German government is suspicious, to say the least, as it discriminates between the many millions who suffered during the horrors of World War II, the categories are: Jews and non-Jews. Where is the loud voice of Nils Muzniaks and the European Union to confront this blatant discrimination? Where is the World Jewish Committee to demand racial equality and blind justice? Where is the constitutional arc of Greece, and its concern to eliminate discrimination based on origin, religion, or race? The hypocrisy speaks loudly, for those vehement attackers of Golden Dawn.”

            That’s not a news article. That’s an editorial with a race-baiting agenda. Did you take a look at the SOURCE it cites? The “story” is pulled from a Greek nationalist WORDPRESS blog! LMAO. Do your homework.

            Lest you need any further evidence as to just how non-reputable that “news site” is, just take a look at this “news story” from Nov 30th, 2011:

            TITLE: “Obama Issues Ron Paul “Kill Order” As Russia Prepares For War”

            “The Federal Security Service (FSB) is reporting today that the “secret letter” sent to Prime Minister Putin by Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda contains a warning that United States President Barack Obama has issued an executive-level “kill order” against US Congressman Ron Paul over fears this charismatic politician, who many believe could capture the Republican Presidential 2012 nomination, is about to expose to all Americans what can only be described as the largest mass theft in human history.”

            That ain’t Der Spiegel or the NYTimes.
            That’s some Alex Jones infowars sh*t.

          • Ryan Kim

            Here’s another site: http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/international/europe/2013/05/jewish_fund_germany_agree_on_aid_for_nazi_victims

            Boston Herald not credible enough? Let me know and I’ll link you another site. Anyways, any luck on finding an article that states that the Japanese gov’t has given a billion dollars in aid to the victims within the past decade?

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            What is your obsession with “within the past decade”?

            Do you realize that WWII ended 68 years ago? Japan negotiated 54 treaties and agreements concerning post-war reparations from 1951 until 1977.

            Under the Treaty of San Francisco (1951), Japan transferred the following overseas assets:

            Korea––¥7,025,600,000 ($468.37 million)
            Taiwan––¥42,542,000,000 ($2.846 billion)
            North East China––¥146,532,000,000 ($9.769 billion)
            North China––¥55,437,000,000 ($3.696 billion)
            Central South China––¥36,718,000,000 ($2.448 billion)
            Others––¥28,014,000,000 ($1.868 billion)
            •Total•––¥379,499,000,000 ($25.3 billion)

            In addition, Japan has made the following war reparations:

            • Micronesia (1950) – ¥18 billion donation
            • Switzerland (1955) – ¥1.1 billion compensation
            • Denmark (1955;1959) – ¥3 billion compensation + ¥4.23 billion compensation
            • Burma (November 5, 1955; 1963) – ¥72 billion indemnity ($200 million–Treaty of San Francisco) + ¥50.4 billion grant
            • Netherlands (1956) – ¥3.6 billion compensation
            • Philippines (May 9, 1956) – ¥198 billion indemnity ($550 million–Treaty of San Francisco)
            • Sweden (1958) – ¥5 billion compensation
            • Indonesia (January 20, 1958) – ¥80.388 billion indemnity ($223 million–Treaty of San Francisco) + ¥63.7 billion credit write-off
            • Laos (1958) – ¥1 billion grant
            • Cambodia (1959) – ¥1.5 billion grant
            • Vietnam (May 13, 1959) – ¥14.4 billion indemnity ($38 million–Treaty of San Francisco)
            • Korea (1965) – ¥108 billion
            • Malaysia (1967) – ¥2.9 billion grant
            • Singapore (1967) – ¥2.9 billion grant

            The last payment of the Treaty of San Francisco was made to the Philippines on July 22, 1976.

            The Republic of China voluntarily waived service compensation under Article 14(a)1 of the San Francisco Treaty with the signing of the “Sino-Japanese Peace Treaty” (“中日和平條約”), also known as the “Treaty of Taipei” (“台北和約”), on April 28, 1952.

            Following that treaty, the People’s Republic of China also renounced its demand for further war reparation from Japan “in the interest of the friendship between the Chinese and the Japanese peoples”; the PRC and Japan later signed the “Treaty of Peace and Friendship between Japan and the People’s Republic of China” (“中华人民共和国和日本国和平友好条约”) on August 12, 1978.

            So ^^^THAT^^^ is why Japan has not “given a billion dollars in aid to the victims within the past decade”––because they ALREADY paid MANY billions of dollars and it’s all been SETTLED already.

            Or perhaps you think Japan should continue paying war reparations for an infinite amount of time. Well then tell me, can you find an article that states that the Korean government has given a billion dollars in aid within the past decade to compensate for its raping and murdering of thousands of civilians during its numerous massacres conducted in the Vietnam War?

            Here’s some more reading for your enjoyment:

            “In January 2005, the South Korean government disclosed 1,200 pages of diplomatic documents that recorded the proceeding of the treaty. The documents, kept secret for 40 years, recorded that Japanese government actually proposed to the Korean counterpart to directly compensate individual victims but it was the South Korean government which insisted that it would handle individual compensation to its citizens and then received the whole amount of grants on the behalf of victims.”

            “South Korea agreed to demand no further compensation, either at the government or individual level, after receiving $800 million in grants and soft loans from Japan as compensation for its 1910–45 colonial rule in the treaty.”

            “However, the South Korean government used most of the grants for economic development, failing to provide adequate compensation to victims by paying only 300,000 won per death in compensating victims of forced labor between 1975 and 1977. Instead, the government spent most of the money establishing social infrastructures, founding POSCO, building Gyeongbu Expressway and the Soyang Dam with the technology transfer from Japanese companies.”

            “As the result of this revelation, there have been growing calls for the Korean government to compensate the victims. A survey conducted shortly after the disclosure showed that more than 70 percent of Korean people believe the South Korean government should bear responsibility topay for those victims. The South Korean government announced that it will establish a team to deal with the appeals for compensation, although “It has been the government’s position that compensation for losses during the Japanese occupation has already been settled”.”

          • Lillian

            How many times have I told you not to copy and paste from Wikipedia, plagiarizer?

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Once again, you apparently think I type my comments for the sake of boosting my literary prestige. I’m glad you’re so impressed by my writing that you think I’m aspiring to be the next J.K. Rowling or Dan Brown, but I can assure you I have no such interest in my reputation as an author.

            Anyway, I’ll re-paste my comment, this time with everything that was copied-and-pasted from Wikipedia (as indicated by being placed within “quotation marks”) removed:

            What is your obsession with “within the past decade”?

            Do you realize that WWII ended 68 years ago? Japan negotiated 54 treaties and agreements concerning post-war reparations from 1951 until 1977.

            Under the Treaty of San Francisco (1951), Japan transferred the following overseas assets:

            Korea––¥7,025,600,000 ($468.37 million)
            Taiwan––¥42,542,000,000 ($2.846 billion)
            North East China––¥146,532,000,000 ($9.769 billion)
            North China––¥55,437,000,000 ($3.696 billion)
            Central South China––¥36,718,000,000 ($2.448 billion)
            Others––¥28,014,000,000 ($1.868 billion)
            •Total•––¥379,499,000,000 ($25.3 billion)

            In addition, Japan has made the following war reparations:

            • Micronesia (1950) – ¥18 billion donation
            • Switzerland (1955) – ¥1.1 billion compensation
            • Denmark (1955;1959) – ¥3 billion compensation + ¥4.23 billion compensation
            • Burma (November 5, 1955; 1963) – ¥72 billion indemnity ($200 million–Treaty of San Francisco) + ¥50.4 billion grant
            • Netherlands (1956) – ¥3.6 billion compensation
            • Philippines (May 9, 1956) – ¥198 billion indemnity ($550 million–Treaty of San Francisco)
            • Sweden (1958) – ¥5 billion compensation
            • Indonesia (January 20, 1958) – ¥80.388 billion indemnity ($223 million–Treaty of San Francisco) + ¥63.7 billion credit write-off
            • Laos (1958) – ¥1 billion grant
            • Cambodia (1959) – ¥1.5 billion grant
            • Vietnam (May 13, 1959) – ¥14.4 billion indemnity ($38 million–Treaty of San Francisco)
            • Korea (1965) – ¥108 billion
            • Malaysia (1967) – ¥2.9 billion grant
            • Singapore (1967) – ¥2.9 billion grant

            The last payment of the Treaty of San Francisco was made to the Philippines on July 22, 1976.

            The Republic of China voluntarily waived service compensation under Article 14(a)1 of the San Francisco Treaty with the signing of the “Sino-Japanese Peace Treaty” (“中日和平條約”), also known as the “Treaty of Taipei” (“台北和約”), on April 28, 1952.

            Following that treaty, the People’s Republic of China also renounced its demand for further war reparation from Japan “in the interest of the friendship between the Chinese and the Japanese peoples”; the PRC and Japan later signed the “Treaty of Peace and Friendship between Japan and the People’s Republic of China” (“中华人民共和国和日本国和平友好条约”) on August 12, 1978.

            So ^^^THAT^^^ is why Japan has not “given a billion dollars in aid to the victims within the past decade”––because they ALREADY paid MANY billions of dollars and it’s all been SETTLED already.

            Or perhaps you think Japan should continue paying war reparations for an infinite amount of time. Well then tell me, can you find an article that states that the Korean government has given a billion dollars in aid within the past decade to compensate for its raping and murdering of thousands of civilians during its numerous massacres conducted in the Vietnam War?

          • linette lee

            Darling Matt dear. Who is this Lillian chick keep talking to you and stalking you? I don’t like her. Is she calling you? Don’t pick up and press the delete button. ;)

          • Ryan Kim

            There’s no obsession, I gave you the news of Germany giving out 1 billion dollars in 2013, I gave you leeway by giving you another prior 10 yrs to find any proof or article stating Japan has given even half of that to the victims. Of course after 4 days you still disappoint me with your redundant posts. First off I don’t give a fuck what japs gave the island and mainland chinks. 500 million during the Park Chung Hee era LOL no shit dumbass who doesn’t know that. The reason this argument came into fruition is because you claim the jews don’t hate the Germans, I gave you proof, and you failed to do so. You lose bro.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Wow, so you’re just another typical scumbag racist who cries on behalf of your own tribe but has no problem calling others “chinks”. What a hypocritical piece of sh*t. You sure as hell don’t deserve anyone else’s hard-earned money.

            I questioned you on South Korea giving any money to Vietnam in compensation for its numerous repulsive massacres, and predictably you completely ignored that point because you don’t even give a f*ck about the Vietnamese––you don’t give a f*ck about anyone else but your own petty little tribe. You’re nothing more than a welfare queen looking to secure a handout for your own family, and all the other impoverished families can go f*ck themselves as far as you’re concerned.

      • Hansaram

        Koreans will move on if Japan stop provoking Korea.

    • terriblemovie

      The flag reminds me of what Hiroshima looked like above the Enola Gay.

    • Alice S

      I hate Japs.

      • greenhamsters

        Racist. Then, I’m sure you’re already aware of that.

  • y.m.

    Yup no problem at all

  • jushin100

    I think Japan is heading in an inevitable direction. Both Japan and Germany are repeatedly asked for troops for UN operations around the world and for wars like the gulf war and Afganistan. In the UK papers it was headline news that they refused to send troops even though at the moment they are not allowed by their constitutions. They have been repeatedly pushed to change this.

    Korea and China are intent that Japan is not allowed to forget its past and they both have rampant nationalist cultures. It’s not uncommon to find a photo of someone burning a Japanese flag somewhere in a Korean newspaper and even in this article there are racist comments about monkeys. This suits both China and Korea while they have territorial claims over Japan.

    In Korea Japan’s apologies for the occupation are conveniently forgotton and there have been alot of apologies.
    Japan has apologized for the general war including in Korea 14 times.
    Japan has apologized to Korea for its colonialism 15 times.
    Japan has apologized for the comfort woman situation in Asia (includes Korea) 5 times.
    Japan has apologized to Korea for Korean comfort women 4 times.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan

    Japan even paid mass compensation to South Korea with the 1965 Treaty on Basic Relations between Japan and the Republic of Korea (Japanese: 日韓基本条約 (Nikkan Kihon Jōyaku?); Korean: 한일기본조약, 韓日基本條約, Hanil Gibon Joyak).

    This Korean newspaper article even suggests that South Korea used its reparations from Japan more effectively than other countries. http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2005012004148

    If you ask any Korean person about these apologies they will either claim they never happened or say “they are not sinsire”. Sinsire or not they paid the money and Korea accepted.

    I think it is high time Japan became more nationalistic. It’s people are being insulted all over the place, it’s flag is being burnt for no honest reason.

    It has to put up with inane garbage like “Dokdo wants to be Korean” (like how the hell can an island choose it’s nationality – it’s a lump of rock). It even does the right thing and says it will accept international mediation which is the only way it can be resolved.

    My experience of the Japanese people these days is “pacifist” and “polite beyond the reason of a saint”. I think Japan is starting to realize that it doesn’t just have to sit down and take all the insults thrown at it. Japan, it’s time to stop being polite and be proud.

    • Brett

      They have apologized over and over again, because each time they say “sorry” they subsequently go ahead and say something that equates to “not really, but those fuckers probably believed it this time”. A believe a major politician recently came out and publicly stated that comfort women were a good thing and blah blah blah same old apologize-insult garbage.
      Japan has a nack for apologizing to save face internationally, and then locally shitting all over the situation and or Korea/China.

      • jushin100

        If that’s really the case then South Korea should give all the money back then right, with interest? I think Japan would accept that.

        You have to be pretty naive to see it so simply. The new German government apologised directly after WWII but during the Nurenberg trials Goring took all the apologies back, right? because he was completely unapologetic.

        So under that reasoning “Germany has never apologised to us we want more compensation from Germany and if German politician says something like that again then we want more money because they have taken back their apology again”. We can stretch this arguement to any right wing politician in Germany, Austria, Hungary, Rumania, Bulgaria and any other country that sided with the axis.

        I think that reasoning is wrong. No-one should apologise for WWII any more. Unless you were in WWII and you did something wrong no apology can have any meaning, after the official apologies . “Hey, my name is Kurt Braun, I was born in 1972, I apologise for what the Nazi’s did in WWII” – is that sincere? Does it mean anything?

        French politicians often make some some gaff about the UK. We have a long history. Does that mean past peace treatys and apologies are all void? No, it is a new mistake and nothing to do with the 100 years war.

        As for the comfort women. Maybe he was talking about the Japanese comfort women. And of course depending on your point of view, for example, the point of view of a frontline Japanese solder or a Korean in the Japanese army, I can imagine that they thought the comfort woman system was a good idea.

        Politicians in China insult the Koreans. Politicians in Korea insult the Chinese (if you are in Korea you will know about this). Politicians in Japan insult the Koreans. Politicians in Korea insult the Japanese (never heard?). It is never going to change in any part of the world – it’s normal and it does not undo previous agreements.
        Just recently and in the news Spain tried to partially blockade Gibralter. It doesn’t mean we are going to war even after some of the Spanish politicians comments. It doesn’t undo anything.

        • chucky3176

          Good ideal for South Korea to give all the money back ($300 million in grants, the other $500 million in loans were all repaid), and cancel the treaty. Severe diplomatic relations. I bet they’ll come crawling back in two days. Japan gains much more from Korea, then vice versa.

          • jushin100

            Another Korean newspaper link: http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2005/01/17/2005011761025.html

            Not to mention adjustment for inflation.
            At a modest 5%p.a. $300m in 1965 is now equivilent to over $3120m in 2013.
            If the money is going back there should be a further modest adjustment for some small interest rate per year added on to this. The Japanese might dish it out.
            Who would come off worse in a breakdown in relations? You would have to check their exports and imports. Imports being a minus and exports being a positive. It’s not going to happen. So I can’t be bothered – I would guess Japan too.

            Small point on this newspaper article it says “Korean conscripts into the military and workforce were never compensated and must be given their wages, which are lying in a Y215 million account with the Bank of Japan.” The Japanese wartime currency collapsed with Japans defeat and is worth $0 and was abandoned just like the reichsmark

          • chucky3176

            $3 billion, peanuts. Considering Samsung alone makes that much profit in 1 month. Give it back, no point in constantly listening to Japanese whining about Korea that Japan gave so much money, yadi yadi yad yad.

          • jushin100

            There is no Japanese whining about Korea.
            The Japanese media tend to concentrate on Japan. I never heard any mention of Korea when I was in Japan.
            You see that is a Korean point of view… haha. Koreans always worry about Japan so they think that in Japan, Japanese people must always be worrying about them. Hahaha….. hahaha…. I lived in Korea for 7 years and I lived in Japan for 2 years. I never heard Korea even mentioned when I lived in Japan.

          • chucky3176

            Having no knowledge of Korean nor Japanese languages, I can actually understand your ignorance on what Koreans and Japanese actually talk about amongst themselves.

            But this is the reality today.

            https://www.japancrush.com/2013/stories/korean-comedians-fukushima-joke-angers-japanese-netizens.html

          • jushin100

            Well I do. 바보 愚か.
            Ignorant idiot

          • chucky3176

            Oh nice come back, at least you can use google. Shall I post the one post where you admitted, “I’m not very good at Korean…bla bla bla”…. for you, liar?

          • jushin100

            I love the way you structured that logical argument.

          • jushin100

            I meant, if it was given back to the Japanese then the Japanese might actually give it to the Korean people. The Korean government decided to spend it on economic projects instead.

          • chucky3176

            jushin100, just because Japan was allowed to get off so easy with paying so little, with hardly any punishment, with that 1965 normalization treaty, does not mean that Japanese people and their politicians can indiscriminately insult our comfort women who still survive today, and other victims of Japanese colonialism. These are not monetary issues, but about human decency. If Japan has apologized, they should have left it at that, instead of constantly putting them back into the front burner with outrageous remarks like you are making now, and outrageous claims that you are making now, making sure the fire keeps burning. The problem isn’t monetary, nor is it apologies. Yes, Japan has paid few bucks, and has said sorry. The problem is that Japan has had big trouble keeping this contrition going long enough for Koreans to forgive and forget. Just because Japan paid a few dollars, doesn’t or shouldn’t stop Koreans from getting angry at some of the aggressive and outrageous behaviors by Japan’s government and some of their own people: For instance, Japan court giving Korean slave laborers, 99 cents for their pension claims, after 11 years of deliberation. Another incident, Japanese rock group sending disgusting racist and offensive messages and songs to Korean comfort women in Korea. Just two examples out of many. Yes, Japan paid, that doesn’t give Japanese every right to offend and anger Koreans without any response from Koreans.

            But you’re probably a Brit. Why do you care so much?

          • jushin100

            I love that “insult our comfort women” they are not your comfort women. First of all I would like to say that I enjoyed your comfort women. They were great, please don’t blame the Japanese for that, I fought in the Korean war. You don’t have the right to tell me anything. People like me are the only people separating you from the poverty in North Korea. You don’t like what we did for your country – go there. Many of my friends died, sometimes I had to wash my friend off of me.
            You have no idea about Korea after the Japanese occupation and my experience is with all the peasant revolts just before the Japanese occupation no Korean person cared who was in charge. Read your history.
            I enjoyed comfort women because Park ChungHee’s government thought it was such a good idea he introduced it for the USA forces. So don’t blame Japan because you thought it would be a good way to earn USD and you adopted the idea from them.
            Read the links above.. they earned a lot of money. Most were Japanese. The only reason they became poor was that the war time Yen became worthless when the Japanese were defeated.
            And for god’s sake – the government of South Korea in 1965 made full reparation agreement with Japan.
            That’s it! Korea didn’t have to. That’s it.
            Stop money grubbing.
            Why is it that every Korean person now identifies him/herself with the Yangban class. 97% of people were peasant or slave (Japan stopped slavery).
            My Father was a POW on the Burma railroad. He hated the Japanese. Absolute hatred. But there was some respect.
            More respect than Koreans who say that the USA/UN divided their country. Try to remove statue of Mcarther at Incheon. There is no respect there.
            Why is it that South Korea is a major sex trafficking portal to the world if they are really upset about this.
            Please ask if you want links.

          • chucky3176

            But teachau, you teach Engrish in my class! You is England soldier in Korean War? Wow! Nice to meet you soldia teachau ! You look so young!

          • chucky3176

            I am soley teachau! I do wrong sperring. “You rook so young!”

          • Brett

            This guy is a joke chunky. Not even worth a reply anymore.

          • chucky3176

            You’re absolutely right. He complains about all the tax payers in UK, getting ripped off by “immigrants”. But then he himself got into trouble for not paying back his own student loan in 2002 when he got a court action paper with threats of actions by debt collections company. His defense is the the statue of limitation act of 1980, when he was out of the country for over five years (probably in Korea working as an ESL teacher for a two bit hagwon). lol.. But seriously, not paying student loans is ripping off the tax payers, and I have no patience for people who rip off their country and sit there criticize others.

            And PS. It is quite hard to be a Korean War soldier when he was a Bruce Lee fan at age 8.

          • jushin100

            You can’t blame my grandson for that. I don’t know how to set all this up. i asked him “how can i comment?” and he set it up for me.
            The student loans company in the UK is a private company.
            The statute of limitations act was a successful legal defense in this case.

            The 1965 treaty between Japan and Korea absolutely resolved any claims South Korea had against Japan until 1965. You can say “so small money”. No one forced S. Korea to accept it but they did.

            There is no way round it – it was signed and is done.

          • chucky3176

            Oh so you skipped out on paying the student loan that you got from UK tax payers by using a technicality. And you had the nerve that UK is going to hell because of all these new immigrants? hahahahaha….. You are a fraud, nobody believes what you say or claim to be. If you want to be taken seriously, cut the bull shit claiming something you’re not. The 1965 treaty doesn’t give Japan a white blank check to insult and launch smear attacks on Koreans. It doesn’t give them any special rights to fly the Rising Sun Imperial flag in middle of Seoul without any Korean getting upset about it. Of course it’s free country to fly any flags you want in Korea. But if Japanese had the right to act like jerks in Korea, then Koreans have every right to get upset about it. So what’s exactly your problem? Koreans don’t have any rights to get upset over Japanese nationalist displays in Korea, because they signed the 1965 treaty?

          • jushin100

            That time you were arrested for public indecency… what were you doing with that man’s thing in your mouth? That’s disgusting man. I don’t care what you do in your own home but no in public please.
            The student loans company is a private company nothing to do with the government. Can’t you read?
            The law is all about technicality – why don’t you read more?
            The post was about illegal immigrants. Can’t you read?
            I’ve made myself perfectly clear in my other posts. Read them again.

          • chucky3176

            hahahaha… lame attempt at diversion which I won’t even bother.

            So it’s OK to rip off institutions because they are private? Laws are technicalities? You sound exactly like a thief! You have the nerve to complain about illegal immigrants, but at least they’re more honest than you are, therefore make better citizens. hahahaha.. You couldn’t have fought in WWII, you were eight years old when you idolized Bruce Lee. You claim you are an expat worker in Korea, nobody hires 80+ old men as office workers.. hahahaha… You claim you confronted a drunken middle aged Korean man on a subway, I’m sure you did, an 80+ old man getting in fights on a subway train.. mmmm… yeah… sure, whatever… what you are is a bull shit liar. Grandson my ass, you have a multiple personality disorder, please get some help. Whatever you are trying to say, lost all credibility, so don’t bother with spinning more lies.

          • jushin100

            Confused? haha.
            You were arrested for public indecency with another man in 2003 and again in 2007.
            You posted about gay rights and about SNSD in several other comments boards.
            I never even heard of that university.

          • chucky3176

            I’m not confused at all. hahahah.. I’m a law abiding, never got arrested in my life. Gay rights? Not an area I care about really. Commenting on SNSD in several comment boards? I may have, probably have, since I frequent few Korea related forums like this one. All this doesn’t matter, except one thing.

            You are a liar. You got caught lying that you fought in Korean War and that your father was WWII POW. Now admit that you made that bull shit up, or get out of my face. Admit that you’re a fucking loser who skipped out on paying your loans, you’re a thief. I have no respect for thieves and liars. Get out of my face, lying thief!

          • jushin100

            Look, own up.
            I don’t care what you do in your own home. But you shouldn’t do it in public, right?
            Who I am or what I am have nothing to do with the validity of my arguments.

          • dk2020

            dafuq? .. you and chucky know each other in real life .. how bizarre .. keyboard warriors are funny ..

          • jushin100

            I tried on this site to post my opinions and back it up with information with website links.
            If you want to refute me please refute the links. No one has tried that yet.

            Emotion doesn’t make an argument. I cannot spend my time replying to peoples emotions.

            I can’t cover everything again but I can clarify a few things.
            The confort women report:-
            http://www.exordio.com/1939-1945/codex/Documentos/report-49-USA-orig.html

            This website address is not a fake. You can get a copy from the US National Archives and Records Administration (NARA). They gave me a copy free. If you are seriously interested in history they may do the same for you.

            The document is listed as:

            LISTED FULL TITLE: United States Office of War Information Psychological
            Warfare Team attached to U.S. Army Forces India-Burma Theater APO 689, Japanese
            Prisoner of War Interrogation Report No. 49, date of report: October 1, 1944
            DOCUMENT LOCATION: Bureau Of Overseas Intelligence, Foreign Morale Analysis
            Division, {Reports On Japanese Morale, 1943-45}; Entry NC 148 378; Box 445;
            Records of the Office of War Information [OWI], Record Group 208

            This document list the comfort women at this station being able to refuse customers and that the fee was Yen 1.50

            In their book “Japanese Army of World War II” By Philip Warner and Michael
            Youens it says that the pay in the Japanese army …”varied between the
            General’s pay of 550 Yen a month and the second class private’s pay of 6 yen a
            month…) Page 4.
            http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Zk8bF_ShpsoC&pg=PA4&lpg=PA4&dq=japanese+army+pay+yen+wwII&source=bl&ots=tFQ4ZgGUk9&sig=d9mgw6KhaOeAMgrjq9er8jc6TRs&hl=en&ei=oGPXTo-NB42dOoCgjckO&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

            I should not have to imply anything from this information.
            BUT I will do because of the standard of people posting on this site – SEX 4 times a month = privates pay per month.

            The USA army document is a US military document whilst the war continued i.e. they hated the Japanese when they wrote it. IT IS NOT BIASED AGAINST THE JAPANESE.

            Why is everyone getting emotional whilst refusing to read primary sources? I didn’t write these primary sources.

            I see some really strange comments on this site “hush money” the 1965 treaty was agreed by both parties. Only South Korea didn’t disclose that it contained all individual compensations to South Koreans. Park Chung Hee made a decision not to give it to individuals. Does anyone doubt he was right? Now everyone benefits because it was spent on infrastructure.
            The terms of this agreement have been public in Japan since 1965. You have to remember its only about 20 years since Japanese music and books were not banned in South Korea.

            Even though I try to write this with an appeal to logic and reasoning, I think I have to look forward to more emotional ranting.

            And really, if one Japanese politician is in denial about WWII how can that really cancel other apologies?
            It is just as logical as complaining that South Korea has never apologized for the invasions with the mongols that were wiped out by the kame kaze.

            Again, if one Japanese politician can cancel Japans apology by one remark then all the remarks about Japan by Korean politicians are still begging apologies. Remember the explicit terms of the normalization treaty of 1965 includes reparations for everything before 1965. It include a set figure of compensation for everyone alive, abused, wounded or dead – the agreement was reached and signed.
            In this case Japan deserves an apology for every pre-1965 complaint because it had already settled the matter. It is the South Korean governments fault that they never told the people that the matter was settled ( see Korean newspaper links above).

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            Just a word of advice––you should reply this comment to the person you’re responding to instead of yourself, because otherwise he won’t get any email notification.

          • jushin100

            good point – thanks

          • Brett

            You are an idiot. But don’t let that stop you. Keep on writing as much as you can. Maybe your persistence will force someone to agree with you.

          • Have a nice day!

            BULLSHIT!!!!! You did not fight in the Korean war, you liar… and your father did not fight in Burma and was not a POW… You are just a racist, uneducated loser, who’s a little butt sore, over some shit that happened to you in your sad little existence…

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            1. How do you know he didn’t fight in the Korean War?

            2. How do you know his father was not a POW?

            3. He never claimed his father fought in Burma.

            Maybe he’s lying, but you have no way of knowing that.

          • Have a nice day!

            1. Nor can you say it is the truth and until he provides evidence of his service I stand my ground. Feel free to take his words for face value.

            2. Same exact reasons as the above.

            3. You are right he never claimed his father fought in Burma but he did state “My Father was a POW on the Burma railroad.” So he was involved in the war.

            Happy? ヾ(^∇^)

          • chucky3176

            The mod has deleted my reply to Matt, probably because it contained private information. But this guy is a liar. But Matt wants to believe he’s real because this guy’s extreme fanatical posts that he learned from Japanese blogs and posters, resonates with him.

          • Have a nice day!

            New to posting on these sites, but been reading them for fodder for a few months… and I can see Matt has a personal thing for you and is hell bent on policing your opinions…

          • nitrostat

            hes lying because he has a student loan from 2002… and its hard to idolize Bruce lee when your 8 and you had to fight in the Korean war.

          • Hansaram

            You are a moron. The amount of thumb down you get explain the little credibility of your post.

          • nitrostat

            wow… u are a disgrace to the soldiers that died in that war…. that is all i will say. Although I don’t believe for one moment that you fought in the Korean war, let me tell u this… real soldiers don’t feel “entitled” to some local pussy because they are fighting and doing “good” for someone else country. “people like me.. seperate.. north korea”. u my friend… have gone full retard…don’t even try to act like u did something remotely fucking saintly… you’re not even a soldier, just some internet keyboard warrior that has some major attention issues. my uncle was in the Korean war, don’t fucking sully my uncles deeds with ur pathetic actions.

          • jushin100

            I don’t beleive your uncle was in the Korean war for one minute. How can I sully your uncles deeds, I don’t know what they were but then neither do you…. BUT if your uncle doesn’t know about this… then he wasn’t there!

            My Grandfather who did fight in the Korean war was about 3 feet away from me for all the posts that day. Apart from when he made his own comment with my help.

            My Grandfathers involvement in the Korean war is the only only reason I am interested in Korea.

            Your an idiot that doesn’t know what he is talking about.

            You absolutely don’t know anything. I really can’t understand while people post their opinions on this website saying “your talking rubbish” when they have a mass of information at their hands in the form of the internet but they are too incompetent to even find the information themselves.

            Let me educate you because you need it.

            ” In the Allied-occupied Korea, between the 1950s and 1980s, the total number of women amounted to over one million.[1][5][19] Some women chose to become prostitutes. Other women were coerced into prostitution.”
            (THAT’S COERCED BY KOREANS – THE JAPS ARE NOT HERE AT THIS TIME).

            “However, by 1953, the total number of prostitutes amounted to 350,000.[4][26] Between the 1950s and 1960s, 60 percent of South Korean prostitutes worked near U.S. military camps.[4][26] During the Korean war, the South Korean Army controlled Wianbu units that performed sexual services for South Korean and U.S. soldiers.”
            (WIANBU – THAT’S COMFORT WOMAN! THE KOREANS LIKED THE JAPANESE IDEA SO MUCH THEY DECIDED THEY NEEDED THEIR OWN)

            “During the 1960s, camp town prostitution and related businesses generated nearly 25 percent of the South Korean GNP. In 1962, 20,000 comfort women were registered, and the charge to the American soldiers was two dollars for a short time and five dollars for a long time. The prostitutes attended classes sponsored by their government in English and etiquette to help them sell more effectively.They were praised as Dollar-earning Patriots or True Patriots by the South Korean government In the 1970s one junior high school teacher told his students that “The prostitutes who sell their bodies to the U.S. military are true patriots. Their dollars earned greatly contributes to our national economy. Don’t talk behind their back that they are Western princesses or U.N. Madams.”"

            Please read the full article going back to the end of WWII.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitutes_in_South_Korea_for_the_U.S._military

            Everything I have posted on this site I have backed up with evidence only to get people like you with no knowledge just spew rabid emotion back.

            No-one has seriously challenged any point I have made.

            Insults and rabid emotion do not usually persuade logical sensible people.

          • dk2020

            damn grandpa how old are you?

          • nitrostat

            “My Grandfather who did fight in the Korean war was about 3 feet away from me for all the posts that day. Apart from when he made his own comment with my help.”

            - Nice BS dumbass. I’m pretty sure you like to change your stories often. If you were posting on behalf of your grandfather, why wasn’t this mentioned in the first post to begin with? and then when others pick up on your folly (regarding how things didn’t like idolizing Bruce lee, etc) you decided to change your story so it seemed like you were speaking on someones behalf. Like I said… u are a fucking tool. second of all regarding your comment about comfort women… when they talk about comfort women.. you fucking tool (had to say it twice cuz ur that stupid), they are talking about WW2 NOT THE KOREAN WAR THAT WAS IN THE 1950′s. WW2 was in the 1930-1940′s. NO ONE IS CLAIMING THAT THE WOMEN IN THE KOREAN WAR WERE COMFORT WOMEN YOU FUCKING NITWIT. GET A FUCKING CLUE…

            to counter your retarded ass link that doesn’t even correlate with the fucking right time period… here is the link.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women

            “Everything I have posted on this site I have backed up with evidence” – everything u posted is your fucking opinion and a farce.. and the link that you showed me is a FUCKING DIFFERENT WAR DUMBASS.. GET IT CORRECT!!!

            “No-one has seriously challenged any point I have made.” – first, you never made any fucking valid points… cuz u can’t even point out the right war. secondly, i just quoted and challenged all of them you nitwit.

            “Insults and rabid emotion do not usually persuade logical sensible people.” – Insults and logical but rabid emotion are usually reserved for idiots and dumbasses”

          • jushin100

            I have identified your problem…. you have a selective reading disfunction. Why would anyone comment on a link without actually even reading it?

            3rd Section
            “However, by 1953, the total number of prostitutes amounted to 350,000.[4][26] Between the 1950s and 1960s, 60 percent of South Korean prostitutes worked near U.S. military camps.[4][26] During the Korean war, the South Korean Army controlled Wianbu units that performed sexual services for South Korean and U.S. soldiers.[1][27] Throughout the Korean War, two separate types of comfort stations were operated.[28] One was U.N. Comfort Stations (UN위안소, UN慰安所) for U.N. soldiers, and the other was Special Comfort Stations (특수위안소, 特殊慰安所) for South Korean soldiers.”

            I’ll repeat that for you because you are having troubles:-
            “During the Korean war, the South Korean Army controlled Wianbu units that performed sexual services for South Korean and U.S. soldiers.[1][27] Throughout the Korean War, two separate types of comfort stations were operated.[28] One was U.N. Comfort Stations (UN위안소, UN慰安所) for U.N. soldiers, and the other was Special Comfort Stations (특수위안소, 特殊慰安所) for South Korean soldiers.”

            HOW DOES “DURING THE KOREAN WAR” MEAN WWII?

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitutes_in_South_Korea_for_the_U.S._military

            1st section
            “The official term was Comfort Women (위안부, 慰安婦, Wianbu), the same term used for military prostitutes in the Japanese Empire.”

            Can you get a friend to help you with the big words?

            I don’t think your disbelief can make my grandfather disappear. Keep trying I’ll check when I get home to see if he is gone. Quite frankly I havn’t changed any story, was I expected to post an autobiography before posting? And then clarify that it is me everytime. Please give me a link to the site rules.

          • nitrostat

            “I have identified your problem…. you have a selective reading
            disfunction. Why would anyone comment on a link without actually even
            reading it?” – yes, i have selectively dissected all of your comments and countered it… if thats what you want to call selective reading.. secondly, how can i quote you and counter it without reading it… think dumbass… think…

            thanks for copying and pasting from wiki dipshit.. i think even a 5 year old can do that these days… LIKE I SAID BEFORE, COMFORT WOMEN WAS THE TERM RELATED AND USED IN THE TIME PERIOD OF WW2.. NOT IN THE KOREAN WAR!!!! SO WHY WOULD U COPY AND PASTE SHIT FROM THE KOREAN WAR… MAYBE YOU SHOULD LEARN TO FUCKING READ!!! SECONDLY, YOU PROVE MY FUCKING POINT WITH YOUR OWN GODDAMN LINK.. “Prostitutes working for members of the US military in South Korea have been known locally under a variety of terms. Western princess” … yes they were called western princess…..

            so let me edumacate your dumbass… step 1. wiki comfort women.. step 2. read the first line… “Comfort women were women and girls forced into a prostitution corps created by the Empire of Japan during World War II.”

            step 3. read the third paragraph for the difference between Korean War prostitution and WW2 prostitution.. you fucking nitwit.

            “According to testimony, young women from countries under Japanese Imperial control were abducted from their homes. In many cases, women were also lured with promises of work in factories or restaurants. Once
            recruited, the women were incarcerated in “comfort stations” in foreign lands.[8] A Dutch government study described how the Japanese military itself recruited women by force in the Dutch East Indies.[9] It revealed that a total of 300 Dutch women had been coerced into Japanese military sex slavery.” – you see… the American govt never gave the green light to go abduct women and young girls from their homes and said… this is prostitution…. its called rape dumbass when its forced…

            “Can you get a friend to help you with the big words?”

            - Big words are reserved for those that understand its meaning (in other words, reserved for intellectual folks). I left out BIG words for you for a reason… think about it.
            “I don’t think your disbelief can make my grandfather disappear.” – true, your grandfathers story was never real to begin with… I mean after all, you could have just made an account for him but instead you decide to tell us that it wasn’t you that fought the war but him only when we revealed your account… am i correct? or did i miss something here… mister 85 year old with student loans from 2002?

          • jushin100

            No I still don’t think you understand. Maybe its an English problem. The official term for prostitutes in camps during the Korean war on the South Korean side was “The official term was Comfort Women (위안부, 慰安婦, Wianbu), the same term used for military prostitutes in the Japanese Empire”

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitutes_in_South_Korea_for_the_U.S._military

            Wow… you know my Grandfather? Small world.

          • nitrostat

            u fucking dumbass… the Korean came after WW2.. learn to understand the meaning please.. “the same term used for military prostitutes in the Japanese Empire”. the name is only called comfort system. does it ever say “forced prostitution” during the Korean war? like i said… grow a brain please… go wiki comfort women.. and read the 1st and 3rd paragraph… also while ur at it… why dont you search for Korean war when you wiki comfort women… i wonder why you won’t see it there since you claim its tied… am i correct?

            I knew ur fictitious grandfather from the story you just told… good try 85 yr old with student loans… hows that holding up for ya?

          • jushin100

            85 yr old with student loans? No, I don’t think so. The student loans company was created in 1993.

            I think you have an English language problem. The article I am refering to is only about prostitution in South Korea. Thats the title!

            No-one has ever claimed all comfort women under the Japanese in WWII were co-erced. Were the Japanese comfort women co-erced? Do you claim that. Most comfort women in WWII were Japanese.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitutes_in_South_Korea_for_the_U.S._military

            “In the Allied-occupied Korea, between the 1950s and 1980s, the total number of women amounted to over one million.[1][5][19] Some women chose to become prostitutes.[20] Other women were coerced into prostitution.”

            I know you have trouble reading anything you disagree with but I will repeat it again.

            “Other women were coerced into prostitution.”

            AND Why would the South Koreans give them the same name?
            Wianbu (위안부, 慰安婦), i.e. “comfort woman”.
            I would say that is because not all comfort women under the Japanese were co-erced.

          • chucky3176

            “My Grandfathers involvement in the Korean war is the only only reason I am interested in Korea.”

            Another lie of the day. You frequently post in Korean expat sites. Nothing that comes out of that mouth of yours is believable.

          • jushin100

            Well, that’s an opinion, not a fact. Unless you can prove everything I say is a lie. You don’t seem interested in proving anything however, you havn’t posted any evidence to contradict anything I have said. Just more opinions and insults.
            To anyone reading my comments. I don’t ask anyone to follow my opinions. My opinions are just that, opinions.
            All I ask is that you read the links I post.

          • nitrostat

            then tell me why do u only reveal yourself that it was you typing on behalf of your grandfather ONLY AFTER WE REVEAL YOUR STUDENT LOANS AND BRUCE LEE IDOLIZATION? you could have just made an account for him yet your also telling me that the first time you posted, your grandfather who’s having issues typing, typed that first long ass comment all on his own but then needed help for his second, 3rd and 4th comments? …. hmmm… why even tell us now that you’re posting on his behalf? LOL… epic phail much?

          • jushin100

            hahaha – what?

          • nitrostat

            ofcourse… as the wise say “Ignorance is bliss” ain’t it? if it makes u feel happy… keep laughing…

          • jushin100

            I agree with your sources. You have convinced me.

          • nitrostat

            “Well, that’s an opinion, not a fact.” – it becomes a fact when its highly unlikely to idolize Bruce Lee at age 8 and still serve in the Korean war.

          • jushin100

            Check back.
            I never said I idolized Bruce Lee at age 8 and I never said I was in the Korean war.

          • nitrostat

            WOAH… did u just make a confession? as i recall…
            ” First of all I would like to say that I enjoyed your comfort women.
            They were great, please don’t blame the Japanese for that, I fought in
            the Korean war. You don’t have the right to tell me anything.” so your meaning to say… you weren’t actually there in the 1950′s? won’t this put a wrench in your whole argument?

          • jushin100

            Please go back and re-read my posts.

          • nitrostat

            i did… as u can recall… hence the quote…

          • jushin100

            Thats one post.

            You are missing some out.

            Please go back and re-read my posts

          • nitrostat

            i quoted u many times if you can recall… Im pretty sure i didn’t miss out anything…

          • jushin100

            Well you are.
            Anyway….

          • chucky3176

            You said you started getting interested in Asian culture at the age of 8, when you saw Bruce Lee and idolized him. You posted this in one of the Korea expat sites. The post was id’ed as jushin100, dated March 2013. When you were 22, you said you were a jujitsu instructor. And that you worked in Seoul, at an R&D center at Bundang. It doesn’t sound remotely like an 80+ year old man of Korean War fame. Liar.

            And you pretended to be a Korean war vet, you posted that couple of days ago right here at kbang. Now stop lying.

          • jushin100

            hahaha, what post was that?

          • chucky3176

            I don’t debate serious matters with liars.

          • Dave Baxter

            I see that Koreans are charming people.
            I do like the logic of your argument.
            It completely persuades me to your point of view.

          • Dave Baxter

            I think you probably don’t know anything about your countries history. This is a side effect of the Korean nationalism promoted because of a division of the country in its cold war situation.

            Including that Japanese culture, songs, books etc.. were only banned from Korea since 1962 when the military government founded the “Broadcast Ethics Committee”.
            In Sungman Rhee’s government and straight after WWII prominent pro-Japanese Koreans still retained high ranking positions and Japanese soldiers acted as policemen before their demobilization.

            You probably also don’t know that prior to the Japanese occupation there had been almost 50 years of peasants rebellions against the Korean monarchy. Did you ever hear of the Donghak peasants rebellion? and other minor rebellions going back decades before?
            It is estimated that 93% of the Korean population were peasants or slaves before the Japanese influenced Gabo reforms which abolished slavery. Only now days does every Korean imagine themselves to be of Yangban stock. Do you think these peasants really cared who their masters were? If these peasants really cared would you please tell me about the battles fought against the Japanese. They fought against the Korean monarchy.
            Everyone complains about the assassination of Queen min but at the time amongst the peasants of Korea that assassination would have been popular at the time.

            Koreans these days complain about their treatment during the Japanese occupation. Were minor problems put down brutally? Yes, but no more than every other country of the day.
            Did the Japanese arrange comfort women for their troops? Yes. The Japanese have never denied it. They only deny that they authorized kidnapping of women to that effect.

            China calls it’s eastern sea “the East Sea” it is recognized around the world in a similar format. Korea wants to rename “the sea of Japan” as the east sea. Do you think it is logical? to have 2 east seas close together? Do you think China will agree? Because Korea would like to name all the seas around it as the “west sea”, “south sea” and “east sea”? It makes South Korea seem very childish in western countries.
            It used to be the case that not many people knew much about Korea. That is no longer the case. Every western university has a department covering Korea these days. The information about Korea is not very favorable.

            Then there is Dokdo a group of rocks that never could support human residence until the Korean government put a desalination plant on it recently. You see… there is no water source on Dokdo. Japan has been told by the United Nations that it only has to file one complain per year to keep the dispute open. Japan wants the matter resolved by the international community and Korea refuses… what do you think most logical western people think about Korea’s refusal to let this situation be moderated?

            When will South Korea apologize for it’s war crimes in the Vietnam war? When will South Korea apologize for honoring the dead in the national cemetery of those who committed war crimes in Vietnam. Someone on this comments section already listed some of the massacres committed by Korean troops in Vietnam.

            Many WWII concentration camp guards were Koreans.
            When will South Korea apologize to the allied nations for their peoples treatment of POWs. Orders are not an excuse for criminal treatment. Indeed it has been said that as so many POW camp guards were Korean that most of the blame for bad treatment comes from the Koreans.

            In Korea there seems to be a belief that “if we tell a story enough times it will become the truth”.
            Western people do not agree with that saying. Most western people accept the ideas I have written about. The evidence is almost overwhelming. You cannot stop people looking for evidence in history.Korea is not a small country in this big world of ours. Everyone is watching.

        • ComaPrison

          The difference is that those German politicians were prosecuted. And any contemporary German politicians that espouse such views will quickly lose their political support. The contemporary Japanese politicians that hold such horrific views are left in peace and continue to hold power.

          • jushin100

            I’m afraid you are being naïve. If you think there were no comments about Billy Brants government. Your idea is that all official apologies by Moriyama can be undone by any politician. – Shamefull and does not make any sense.

          • ComaPrison

            On the contrary, if you had reading comprehension skills above the grade school level, you would understand what I am saying. In a democratic country, the people are responsible for the views of the leaders they elect. If Japan keeps re-electing unabashed neoconservatives, one can interpret that as a sign that they aren’t sincere about their historical apologies.

            I guess I can’t expect a rampant weeaboo such as yourself to think coherently though.

          • jushin100

            I would really love it if the democratic system works as you say. In your ideal world…. Every person elected has exactly your views………..
            Oh dear…. where did you come from… if you know a democratic system where every person you voted for has exactly your views then……….. wake up or stop doing LSD.
            In my reality I vote for people that have near views to mine. Is it really possible to find someone with exactly the same views as me?
            Really?
            You don’t understand what the democratic system is.

          • ComaPrison

            Holy F you’re one of the dumbest bastards I’ve ever known. I will just leave you with this. If Merkel was an unabashed Nazi sympathizer, how would the people of Germany and Europe react? At the very LEAST she would be thrown out of office.

            Now let’s look at how the people of Japan are reacting to having the Japanese equivalents in office (like the ones involved with the comfort women issue). They are still left in office, and this says a lot about the Japanese electorate.

          • jushin100

            Really? Jaques le Penne’s French Nationalist party gets 30% of the French vote. Dutch right wing parties also enjoy popularity.

            THEY CANNOT BE THROWN OUT OF OFFICE IF THEY ARE VOTED IN – IDIOT!

            Don’t bother with the comfort women rubbish. Most comfort women were Japanese.

            Have you even looked at the 3-4 first hand reports of the comfort women? No.

            http://www.exordio.com/1939-1945/codex/Documentos/report-49-USA-orig.html
            The link above is from the USA army. There is another similar report from the Australian army and there is one more report from China. These are the 3 first hand reports.
            The report above says that the girls could refuse sex with a soldier and that the cost was 1.50 Yen. Now idiots like you might think that 1.50 Yen is a terrible price about half the price of a packet of instant noodles, right? right idiot? No, no, no, no 6 Yen was the monthly salary of a Japanese soldier.
            These girls earned more than a Japanese general. If you cant find the Japanese army pay scales then let me know and I will find them. Four times sex is the same pay in a month as a Japanese private rank soldier.
            Unfortunately, as I said above… the Japanese lost the war so the Yen became worthless. All those girls working on their back lost their savings along with every Japanese person with savings.

          • jushin100

            A Korean farmer at the time would be lucky if he earned 3 yen a year.

          • ComaPrison
          • jushin100

            What is that? some old whore trying to get some sympathy. Look at my link above. That link is from the US military BEFORE the end of the war. Do you think the US military were Japanese sympathisers while they are still fighting them?

          • jushin100

            If you are really interested you will find the Chinese and Australian army links

          • jushin100

            Why do you comment? You don’t know anything about Korean history.

          • ComaPrison

            Why do you comment? You seem to only selectively acknowledge history that reflects well on your Japanese masters. http://www.npr.org/blogs/pictureshow/2011/06/04/134271795/comfort-women-untold-stories-of-wartime-abuse

          • nitrostat

            he still knows more than you apparently.. maybe u should stop commenting

          • jushin100

            Please summarize his points for me with links to the evidence he has provided.

          • nitrostat

            u can start by summarizing urs first…

          • jushin100

            how will that prove comaprison knows more than me?

          • nitrostat

            cuz unlike him, I’ve already dealt with you before hand… weren’t you the one confused about which war you served in?

          • jushin100

            No, not me please re-read my posts.

            You seem to find it impossible that I could have a family member that fought in the Korean war.

            This doesn’t prove how comaprison knows more than me either.

          • nitrostat

            i dont find it impossible that you had a family member that served in the Korean war… i find it impossible that your grandfather literally changed from first person perspective to a third person perspective in these posts…

          • jushin100

            Hahaha. Well that’s the least logical way of looking at it.
            I sure some people reading this have worked out that the answer is – 2 people posting under the same ID.
            Wow… that really confused you!

          • nitrostat

            you could have just made an account for him yet your also telling me
            that the first time you posted, your grandfather who’s having issues
            typing, typed that first long ass comment all on his own but then needed
            help for his second, 3rd and 4th comments? so that’s where you come in and u post on his behalf regarding him in the 3rd person perspective. oh and did i forget to mention that he didn’t introduce himself that this is NOT his account, but his nephews… surely for an 80 yr old he should know his manners should he not?… Yea… I’ll agree that this is the most logical way of thinking about it and possibly the most logical way of doing .. i mean covering up things… LOL

          • jushin100

            No one introduces themselves.
            My Father’s not exactly computer literate and my Grandfather…. well

          • nitrostat

            i believe u did .. as your grandfather ofcourse… but anyways i digress… is that the best answer you can come up with? because you still haven’t answered my question?

          • nitrostat

            so then… you impersonated your grandfather… well… now we have an identity thief!!

          • jushin100

            If a congressman or senator says “Afghanistan needs to burn in a nuclear fire” does that override US policy in Afghanistan?
            The answer is “NO” and similar things have been said.
            Everyone is going way off track here.
            The 1965 agreement between Japan and Korea was a normalization treaty. Japan paid a certain amount of damages to everyone affected. The Korean government did not pass these damages on. BUT that treaty said that all claims are resolved!
            ALL CLAIMS ARE RESOLVED AND THE SOUTH KOREAN GOVERNMENT ACCEPTS THAT AND SIGNED THAT IN THE TREATY.
            Sue the South Korean government if you have a problem – and if you see the last newspaper article people are.
            Please lets have some reason here!

        • Brett

          You really write a lot for a person with nothing significant to say.

        • commander

          South Korea is always ready to give back some bucks Japan handed over as hush miney, of course with interests provided if Japan offer its women to South Korea as comfort women for, er, 10 years (albeit much discounted because South Korea is clement)

          On top of it, outh Korean are completely ready to say that Japan can come to its sesnse when its entire territory is bombarded with atomic bombs.

        • nitrostat

          “I can imagine that they thought the comfort woman system was a good idea.” … – yes.. you can only imagine… its your fucking opinion… insignificant and far from the truth. It seems like the rest of the world except nationalists from Japan seem to disagree with u. state the facts you moron… not some hypothetical belief of what you think is right.

          • jushin100

            Well, the South Koreans thought the comfort woman system was a good idea because they implemented it during the Korean war so it’s not only “my fucking opinion”.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitutes_in_South_Korea_for_the_U.S._military

            “The official term was Comfort Women (위안부, 慰安婦, Wianbu), the same term used for military prostitutes in the Japanese Empire.”

            “During the Korean war, the South Korean Army controlled Wianbu units that performed sexual services for South Korean and U.S. soldiers.[1][27] Throughout the Korean War, two separate types of comfort stations were operated.[28] One was U.N. Comfort Stations (UN위안소, UN慰安所) for U.N. soldiers, and the other was Special Comfort Stations (특수위안소, 特殊慰安所) for South Korean soldiers.”

            And then they introduced camptown prostitutes for the long time stationed GI’s:-

            “During the 1960s, camp town prostitution and related businesses generated nearly 25 percent of the South Korean GNP.[37] In 1962, 20,000 comfort women were registered, and the charge to the American soldiers was two dollars for a short time and five dollars for a long time.[1] The prostitutes attended classes sponsored by their government in English and etiquette to help them sell more effectively.[38] They were praised as Dollar-earning Patriots or True Patriots by the South Korean government.[20][35][38] In the 1970s one junior high school teacher told his students that “The prostitutes who sell their bodies to the U.S. military are true patriots. Their dollars earned greatly contributes to our national economy. Don’t talk behind their back that they are Western princesses or U.N. Madams.”"

            Usually if I don’t know something I’d try an reseach it before I make a comment. Why do you make insults and get emotional about something you know nothing about.

          • nitrostat

            did u forget to read the 3rd paragraph in wiki when you read the definition of comfort women? did the South Koreans force their own women to do prostitution in the Korean war? and do you think the Koreans willingly prostituted themselves to the Japanese? TWO DIFFERENT THINGS NUMB NUTS.like i said its your fucking opinion… obviously because they were forced during WW2, we can safely assume that they did NOT think it was a fucking good idea…
            Regarding the Korean war, they didn’t think it was such a bad idea and they simply adopted the name, but your seeing this as if comfort women is comfort women. you forget that during ww2, they were forced and during the Korean war they weren’t.
            your trolling is getting slightly better….

            “Usually if I don’t know something I’d try an reseach it before I make a comment.” sometimes… its not about the amount of research you do that makes you right… its about what you know.. and it seems like you know very little…

          • jushin100

            “Other women were coerced into prostitution.” South Korea not under the Japanese.

            Please read:-

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitutes_in_South_Korea_for_the_U.S._military

            “its about what you know” no it’s not. It’s about proving to other people that you are right. Not just saying “I know this your wrong numbnuts”. hahaha

          • nitrostat

            uh… south korea was under the Japan you dumbass… they were annexed and colonized u fucking nitwit… did America do this to Korea? Does it say anything about America’s approval on forced prostitution? like it states “other” meaning not all…. some… you can’t stop every crack head… but the general majority didn’t go around raping and pillaging.

            “its about what you know” no it’s not. It’s about proving to other people that you are right. – you can’t prove anything if you don’t know anything dipshit…

          • jushin100

            So you agree some were co-erced?
            “Other” in this case means “some” – I’ll agree on that. The same as comfort women in the Japanese army.
            What you are saying is that During WWII 1939-1945 Korean women had to be forced to prostitute themselves to foreigners but during the Korean war 1950-53 they voluntiered in mass numbers?

          • nitrostat

            yes, some were co-erced during the Korean war. I’m not refuting that…. the difference lies in mass coercion vs couple nut jobs in the US military during the Korean War. Rape still happens today in army camps and it still doesn’t mean its right but at least we take the preventive measures and we punish those individuals. the difference between ww2 is that most were abducted, forced and tricked into prostitution = mass rape… and Imperial Japan thought it was a good idea, let alone acceptable. America NEVER DID THIS… hence only the name is similar, the tactics… widely different. its like saying a dog attacked me… one is a chihuaha and the other is a fucking pitt bull… both are dogs but it will give u different results. and seriously… why do you lie about who’s behind your posts?

          • jushin100

            The camps were organized by the South Korean government during the Korean war. There is no need to blame it on the USA army. I doubt very much if there was much communication between a GI and an uneducated Korean girl, at least not enough for the GI to sell the girl into an army without her being able to explain the situation to the Korean soldiers.

            I already posted way above here that a Japanese soldier got paid 6yen a month and the comfort women got paid 1.50yen each time for sex. That kind of money doesn’t take any co-ercion.

            What you are saying is that During WWII 1939-1945 Korean women had to be forced to prostitute themselves to foreigners but during the Korean war 1950-53 they voluntiered in mass numbers?

          • nitrostat

            i never blamed the US govt did i ? merely used it as a comparison to what the Japanese did during ww2. what does japanese soldiers getting paid have anything to do with the comfort women getting paid? so by your logic… your telling me its ok to rape women as long as you pay them? what are you trying to imply here? and just because they got paid… it automatically means that they weren’t raped? LOL… did you not read the 3rd paragraph on wiki… what part of forced did you not understand? for your last paragraph… i already answered that.. and you just asked me that twice now…

          • jushin100

            No, actually, if a girl accepts money for sex then she is prostitute and not being raped. Unless you think that every Korean guy that goes to icha after room salon is also commiting rape.

            “What you are saying is that During WWII 1939-1945 Korean women had to be forced to prostitute themselves to foreigners but during the Korean war 1950-53 they voluntiered in mass numbers?”
            I can’t pick your answer out of what you wrote above. How do you explain this?
            I don’t think you did read the link on the USA army report on the comfort women in Burma. They were allowed to refuse customers and were given advances of 300Yen to their families, to become comfort women – apart from their wages.
            They charged 1.50yen per time for sex and they kept half of it the Madam/brothel owner kept the other half. As a soldier earned 6yen a month.
            The advance that went to the family is equal to over 4 years salary of a Japanese soldier. What kind of job did their families think they would be doing for that kind of money? The girls claimed they though they would be rolling bandages etc.. Come on! Impossible to beleive.
            The wages meant that after having sex 8 times they had earned the same money as a Japanese 2nd class private.

          • dk2020

            oh yeah all these women are lying and were really prostitutes ..

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yHHfYOGumI

          • jushin100

            I’ll have to watch later. Arirang TV serious problem number 1, it is just pure Korean nationalism, would have made Goebels proud. Does anyone seriously watch that station.

            To answer you question.

            If they accepted money and could refuse customers like these comfort women then yes they are prostitutes.

            http://www.exordio.com/1939-1945/codex/Documentos/report-49-USA-orig.html

            A girl in this report said her family was given “a few hundred yen”. She also kept half the payment for each time she had sex.
            Let’s say a few hundred yen = 300 yen then that is more that 4 years salary of a 2nd class private in the Japanese army. She said she though she would be rolling bandages etc… For that kind of money? Please! Her family knew exactly what she would be doing. Maybe she didnt but her family did.
            Each time she had sex she could keep half of 1.50 yen which means she earned the same as a Japanese soldier in one month after 8 times sex.

          • dk2020

            smh .. you’re a moron ..

          • nitrostat

            “No, actually, if a girl accepts money for sex then she is prostitute and not being raped.”
            - so by your logic… if your mother was first raped…but later compensated with money…then she is a prostitute? childish thinkings … hmm.. i wonder what your take on this would be? cause clearly.. there seems to be no agreement from both parties, its the man’s decision to do it regardless of the women’s feelings and then later just pay her for it… I didn’t know you can force yourself onto women then just pay them later for their troubles? is that what you think prostitution is? cause obviously your definition of it is very skewed…

            “I can’t pick your answer out of what you wrote above. How do you explain things?” first and foremost.. you quoted yourself… so yes it would be hard for you to PICK OUT my answer since you quoted yourself…secondly.. re-read the question that you asked me twice…

            third point .. we aren’t talking about Burma, we’re talking about Korea, and the comfort women there were raped…so i don’t know why you are talking about wages which are irrelevant to the conversation. EVEN IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BURMA its still the very same unless Burmese women AGREED TO HAVE SEX PRIOR TO THE ACT AND RECIEVED MONETARY EXCHANGE IN RETROSPECT. 3rd.. you seem to not understand the word RAPE does not equal prostitution… it equals forced/coerced prostitution of ones body…

    • Hansaram

      For every Japanese that apologize,there will be another Japanese that try to deny the war crime making the apologize look null and void.

      • onemeant

        so? one Japanese denial doesn’t refute the fact of another Japanese’s apology.

        • Hansaram

          It’s certainly not just one.

        • john freyan

          It does when that “one Japanese” happens to be the Prime Minister of Japan.

  • Noir12

    Whatever happened to common sense? Not all flags are alike.

    One should consider WHERE the flag’s being waved. Waving the Soviet colours in Red Square will have a very different reaction from doing so in Kiev. The Belgian flag wouldn’t offend a fly in France; to unfurl it in the Congo is to be in danger of becoming an astounding example of bigotry.

    Also, you have to consider the lifetime of a particular flag. The Union Jack and the Star-Spangled Banner have been used for so long they’ve absorbed the good with the bad, and this is one significant reason why they don’t incite as much hatred as certain flags. Flags like the Rising Sun, the Spanish flag with the black eagle, and of the American Confederacy (now being ‘dead flags’) didn’t had the longevity to outlive the sour memories of their respective histories, and therefore have become perpetually locked-in-time with a very unpopular past.

    • weierstrass

      Yeah right.

      I used to live in Korea for quite some time. As a Jew, I was offended by seeing so many Nazi insignia there (I am not talking about buddhist stuff).

      My Korean roommate even had a t-shirt with a full Nazi eagle+svastika symbol (and we were in the so called #1 university in Korea, no excuse not being educated about that). That is enough to prove how poor Korean are when dealing with their close neighbors…

      Also, Seoul is famous for having several Adolph Hitler themed bars.

      Meanwhile, for retaliation, I often wore a rising sun flag t-shirt and no one ever complained about it. I guess that is only an eyesore for Korean when given the opportunity to complain about Japan.

      They really have an inferiority complex and gesticulate whenever they can against Japan, every foreigner who lived there knows that.

      • dk2020

        dude, I kinda find that hard to believe .. seriously you walked around seoul with an imperial japan flag shirt just to spite your roommate ( I don’t know why he wouldn’t respect you since you live together) and ajeoshis didn’t yell at you? I’ve seen japanese still sporting swatiskas being former allies .. so you’re saying koreans are just making a fuss online but wouldn’t be offended IRL? I didn’t see any in seoul, when and where were you at?

        http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20130721000115

        • Weierstrass

          Dude, did you read what I wrote? Do you know what Nazis did to us Jews during WW2?? And you still say that the roommate respected me? Aren’t you blindly defending another Korean solely because of his race?? UNBELIEVABLE.

          And no, no one told me anything about the raising sun shirt. And I wore it a lot. I’m sure I would have been stabbed had I been Asian. The fact no one showed any sign of annoyance at its sight proves that Korean are just expressing their inferiority complex towards Japan for that matter.

          Your link is totally unrelated. Here is a link that will inform you a bit http://rokdrop.com/2007/10/11/israel-upset-about-nazi-bar-in-seoul/

          Shame on you dude.

          • Noir12

            (I’m going to reply to this response and the one on my post simultaneously since they’re more-or-less on the same subject)

            What does your anecdote have to do with my comment? It doesn’t contradict my statement that not all flags are alike and people should handle them on a case-by-case basis bearing in mind the context and the audience.

            I’m not “taking Korea’s side” in the matter. And your illogical rush to a pro-Japanese, anti-Korean punchline (which has no relevance to my comment) makes me wonder what you’re really trying to say.

            I have Jewish friends and none of them would ever share oxygen with someone who didn’t give a rat’s behind about the holocaust. The idea of a Korean neo-Nazi is jarring, so I’m going to ask if he thought of it more as a fashion statement than an expression of his political views. (Which is still absolutely NOT okay.)

            Now, why didn’t you try to articulate to your roommate why his t-shirt offended you? Was he insistent on wearing it even after the revelation? If so, then he’s a bigot, and shame on him. But also shame on you for donning a controversial t-shirt seeking to agitate him (and other people on the street). Passive-aggression doesn’t solve anything.

            As for your last point: I could legally walk around my neighbourhood wearing a Swastika t-shirt and I wouldn’t be arrested for it so long as I didn’t “pro-actively spread” the Nazi message. 99.9% of people might not like it, but they wouldn’t stab me or contact the police for wearing the shirt. It’d be an entirely different story if I did the salute and screamed “Heil Hitler,” however. That said, my guess is that Korean pedestrians presumed you were unaware of historical Korean-Japanese relations and let it slide. There would be a different dynamic if you were Asian.

          • weierstrass

            I asked him if he knew what that was, he said like “oh I’m so sorry, I don’t want to offend you of course I don’t like nazis! So sorry! But it’s a gift from cousin, have to wear it time to time! So sorry!”
            Which is Korean for “I don’t give a damn”.

            Now I should “articulate why this is offending to me” with that kind of garbage? This is news! Go ask your Jewish friends if you really have any.

            And no, I have no shame wearing a rising sun shirt in a country where a Nazi themed bar is hyped, and where a so-called elite university student wears a Nazi shirt to avoid offending his cousin.
            BTW I bought it in China where Japs did far more horrible things than what they did to koreans. I wore it all over east asia, even got comments on how cool this t-shirt is. No one in the world cares about the rising sun flag. Again my point is that no Korean cared either nor even a weird look. Obviously, Korean hate Japanese, and history is a mere excuse to justify this hatred.

            And BTW, don’t even try to compare what Nazis did to Jews to the mere occupation of Korea by another country. Jeez…

          • Noir12

            I am skeptical of your claim that the Rising Sun is considered inoffensive throughout East Asia. And as the entire basis of your argument is anecdotal, I have no desire to continue this debate.

            But I do wish to say this one last thing. That you, a student at an elite university, took an isolated incident with your bigoted roommate and drew conclusions about an entire people, then partook in similar deplorable behaviour yet with malicious intent, is disappointing.

          • greenhamsters

            How widely recognized is the Rising Sun Flag? If we were to show the Flag to an statistically significant sampling of East Asians and Southeast Asians, how many of them would recognize the Flag and recognize it as a symbol of the past aggressions of the Japanese?

            I ask because it’s plausible that we engage on the subject matter in a rather limited space. Is it possible that the general population is not as familiar with the Flag or the symbolism some hoist upon it?

            Sure, one could argue it’s wide spread. My own reading would suggest that, but I have to be honest. My “sampling” has been selective because I was seeking out information specifically on the issue and/or on East Asian nationalism. Thus, I cannot trust my own readings to make a generalization.

          • Noir12

            Generally speaking, I imagine most people over 18 in East and SE Asia will at least recognize the flag. Whether or not they take offence can vary; and I’m compelled to say that their age (and personal experiences with a country, or educational influences) is often a major factor. Now, bear in mind that I’m not citing any scientific studies or statistics for you, so take what I say with salt.

            I have heard from Taiwanese people themselves that a fair part of their older generation harbour benign nostalgia towards the period of Japanese governance. A friend related to me how his grandfather would sometimes sing Japanese songs he learned in childhood. The Rising Flag might be acceptable there. I say ‘might be,’ because there were active and vocal demonstrations over the Senkaku/Diaoyu island dispute in Taiwan; and I’ve never lived in Taiwan, nor has the question ‘How do you feeling about the Rising Sun flag?’ ever come up.

            On the other hand, I’m certain that the people of Nanjing would not stand the sight of the flag. Even the current Japanese flag can receives a lot of flak in China. One need but remember the riots that resulted in the destruction of anything Japanese-made: cars and televisions and all. What would they have done to a flag? Or the Rising Sun flag, for that matter, which is seen most nights in television shows about the war against Japanese imperialism?

            While I was in the Dongbei (“Manchuria”) my Japanese friends would relate to me how they’d face open discrimination, particularly from restaurants and cab drivers. A common question was ‘Are you Japanese?’ After a while they started saying they were Korean, because the cabbies wouldn’t wind around a few more blocks, or their food wouldn’t arrive a little later than expected. They’d only have to deal with (somehow) feigning knowledge about K-pop.

            From what I’ve heard, the Filipinos don’t even think about it. Personally, I have no recollection of Filipinos antagonising the Japanese. The occupation might be a sore point in their history, but I suppose they think of it the way the Portuguese remember the Hapsburgs.

            I’m sure it is clear that perhaps many Koreans would take offence to the flag. However, bear in mind that this KoreaBANG article is about what transpired at a soccer match between two countries with a lot of (let’s say it lightly) history that often escalated into, essentially, total war. Bringing the Rising Sun into that stadium was bringing matches into a gunpowder barrel. But so was bringing portraits of Admiral Yi Sun Shin and Ahn Jeung Geun (I may be mistaken) and reams of Dokdo slogans into that stadium. It’s fortunate that noone gets killed.

            I bet 99% of the people there just wanted to see a bloody soccer match. I bet 95% of people in the region don’t even want to get dragged into this nationalistic diatribe. The individual person has more pressing priorities, which is why although these netizens rave on and on with radical views about extermination and deportation… nothing ever actually happens.

            The least one can do, individually, is try really hard not to pick a fight. And for the media and politicians to stop using nationalism as a device to sell papers or consolidate support. That subject, however, is a bottomless rabbit hole.

          • greenhamsters

            Thanks for sharing your thoughts. You seem to have much broader anecdotal experiences than myself. I appreciate your insights. Though, I would certainly like to see some research in the field. (Not necessarily from you, but from anyone who might be able to point me in such a direction.)

          • Noir12

            You’re very welcome :)

            I wish I had more information to offer you about perceptions of that flag, but it is a very specific subject and information can be hard to come by.

          • weierstrass

            Korean are really good at drama but that’s it.

            How dare you even think of comparing the holocaust with the mere occupation of a country by another?
            You either seriously need to go back to high-school or are an antisemite.

          • dk2020

            smfh .. so two wrongs make it right? so sorry is korean for I don’t give a damn mmm okay .. instead of understanding and educating you just make it worse with your own ignorance ..

          • chucky3176

            Koreans mind their own business, no-one is going to come to your face aggressively.

            Here’s a video of two Japanese girls going around Seoul holding up the flag.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f87trjMI8gs&eurl=

          • dk2020

            smfh .. so it is just nationalistic politics ..

          • dk2020

            Shame on me? I didn’t say them Nazi bars are idiotic and wrong because it is .. but then there’s more sinister shit going on like Neo-Nazi fascist groups in Mongolia and Malaysia which isn’t just for entertainment or a fashion statement .. there’s even a gay Neo-Nazi group in Russia .. it’s like the Bloods and the Crips that have spread in Europe and Asia .. impressionable youth want a sense of power from the symbolism.

            How about Palestine? Zionist Israelis treat Palestinians and muslims like shit currently just like how Germans treated the Jews .. it’s unfair because it is two sided, I agree that Koreans have an inferiority complex with the world but in the same sense that’s what drives them to be successful .. there will be peace between Korea and Japan when there will be peace between Israel and Palestine ..

  • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

    Welp just another reason to not watch football.

  • Kiwi

    Looks better than a kotex ad

  • Canadian_Skies

    This is all pretty much out of left field to me, but this part “some netizens even lamented that the United States stopped at bombing only two Japanese cities and praised the Fukushima disaster” — is it suggesting that the U.S. praised the Fukushima disaster, or that “some netizens” praised the Fukushima disaster?

  • commander

    I think that present-day Japanese aggressiveness, spooking its neighbors, has its roots in the island country’s samurai spirits that are dormant but could be revived at the prodding by Tokyo’s utlra rightists.

    Japan’s brazen denials of its war crime liabilities and shameful excuses that the 1965 basic treaty with South Korea settled all thorny issues on its brtual colonization just underscore a tip of ice berg in Japan’s growing militancy, which in a sense is considered more formidable than impoverished North Korea’s outcry for economic help by making a barrage of nuclear threats.

    The fundamental problem with Japanese mindset is the idea that Japan is surpreme to all of its neighboring countries, with its king at the apex of plotical power.

    The long period of civil war in medieval times in Japan taught the Japanese that clear cut hierarchy brings lasting peace.

    But forcible crackdown of dissidents and demands of compliance to established hierarchical order have been increasing dissatisfaction in Japan, resulting in Japan’s imperilist pursuit by colonizing the Korean Peninsula, Southeast Ascian countries, and China in its self delutional belief that primitive peoples needs to get civilized by its rule.

    Such a militant streak is likely to be revived after nationalist PM Abe enforced a combination of aggressive montary easing and militaristic policy.

    The omen presented itself when Japanese soccer cheering squad hanged a large-sized sun-rising flag, Japan’s equivalent of Nazi German Swastika, during the match against South Korea in the East Asian cup, prompting its South Korean counterpart to immediately and righteously respond by hanging a banner giving a benvolent advice to the Japanese that they need to reflect on their atrocities-fraught past.

    This brohaha preceded Tokyo’s controversial but true colors-showing remarks defending Nazi Germany in its argument that the sun rising flag should be adopted as its offcial flag for its self defence forces.

    With the United States, biggest culprit for today’s tangled unsettled colonial past as it decided to effectively absolve Japan of its war crimes to beef up a poatwar Japan to pit it against the communist China, remaining mute for its ally’s anarchronistic remarks and moves for the strategic ground that Japan is a great seabreaker against a rising wave of Chinese clout, disappointingly South Koreans have no options but to lash out Japan online, place efficacy-questionable ads in American mass media, launch for-comfort women campaign that brought a modest achievemnt of a US parlimentary condemnation resolution.

    What adds insult to injury is Japanese successuful indoctrination of its people saying that the Japanese government has done enough and that demands for sincere apologies and adequate compensations from Seoul and Bejing are far fetched unreasonable, and many Japanese people’s uncritical accpetance of that propaganda–too much frustrating response given their pliancy to its government.

  • KCdude

    The flag is not the problem here. Prominent Japanese politicians thinking unusually positive about the Nazis make me worry more than the flag. We proud Canadians fought against the Nazis during WWII. Do we have to declare war on Japan when Neo-Nazism prevails in the National Diet of Japan? How come Canada and Japan are both constitutional monarchies and have become so different socially and politically to shock my petty soul?

    • commander

      The flag had the meaning as of a symbolic precursor of Japan’s qurest for regional surpremacy that is misperceived to follow its flat rejections of calls for colonial war crime apology and the execution of uproar-provocating nationalist policy.

      American conception of japan as a strong bastion against the communist China after communist forces pushed nationalists to Taiwan made it diffcult for Japan to reflect on its war atrocities and mend fences with its neighbors that underwend Tokyo’s cruel colonial rule.

      Washington changed its previous to weaken defeated Japan with across the board reform so as to keep the island country from engineering an expansionist enterprise, and decided to enhance Japan’s defence ability and stationed its troops in Okinawa.

  • Jurippe

    The biggest issue with this matter is not even the history behind the flag. The only reason I can imagine for Japanese unfurling their military flag around sports venues is to troll other countries.

    • commander

      My view is that a more sophistocated tactic is involved with Japan’s unnerving attempt to display the rising sun flag reminiscent of its militaristic brutality. Tokyo pursues to get its public accustomed to the flag, and plant a seed of anger in the public when the Japanese see what they see as an oversensitive or oversize resenent from Seoul and Beijing.

      This may set the stage for the Japanese PM to flesh out its nationalist policy more bodly–a move that many Japan observers will be a matter of time if his economic stimulus package brings more tangible effects.

  • pent1um

    stop being a little kid, korea. move on. as long as the japanese are not breaking any international laws, they can do whatever they want for their own goods.

    • kpopwillneverstop

      I know I have no leeway as both a non-Japanese and non-Korean person to speak on this topic, but honestly, if the roles were reversed and Korea had their own version of a flag symbolizing imperialism, Korea wouldn’t see anything wrong with it while the Japanese media would be complaining about it.

      Lol @ that comment telling them they should go to North Korea and wave that flag around. I bet if a war all of a sudden broke out with North Korea attacking Seoul, he/she would be the first asking what’s taking the allied countries so long to help.

      • dk2020

        war hasn’t broke out in the region since vietnam .. I’m not not worried about another war breaking out anytime soon, just like the threats from N Korea a couple months ago .. all this is nationalistic posturing as usual in East Asia ..

  • commander

    The special documentary that the televison network SBS aired on Sunday Aug. 12 is quite impressive, wiyh its main theme being signs of a shift to ultra conservatism in Japan and underlying currents driving such a rightist swing.

    Many Japanese intellectuals, amd journalists voiced concerns in the broadcasting about the island country’s lurch to nationalism, with some of them going as far as comparing today’s Japan to one in the 1930s prior to militaristic invasion.

    The program also shows that Japan cherish the memoties of the Pacific War by holding an exhibiton of war dead, and submarines used in nortorious suicide attacks with recorded voices of crew members on board just before suicide attacks airing inside the exhibition room.

    A Tokyo University professor pointedly say that the Yasukuni shrine is designed to honor fallen soldiers under the commander of Japanese emperor, and keeping war dead there is the higeat honor for bereaved families, turning their sorrow into a sense of honor, and reinforcing loyalty to the nation.

    The visits to the shrine by Japanese leaders need to be understood in that context, and it is worrisome to see such a worship cuuld be taken advantage of for nationaistic jihoism, he added in the program.

    Another Japanese professor say that Abenomics–a prlhrase for unlimited monetary printing to stimulate a two decade long moribund economy to the detriment of its neighbroing countries–might be a prelude to Japan’s walk on a more aggressive, militant path, adding that Japanese perception of the pacifist constitution’s abolishment is changing for the yes, though nays are still a bigger force in opinion polls.

    Many comments on this website in favor of Japan in that they do not breach international law while turning a blind eye to Japan’s increasing signs of aggressivesness amd asesertivess also seem to confirm the rightist shift in Japan.

  • tictactogo1 .

    I’ve never heard of Koreans complaining about “Rising Sun Flag” up until couple years ago. It’s quite typical for Koreans to comment as if Koreans represent the voice of Asia like how this article noted “despite it being viewed as a symbol of Japanese militarism in neighboring countries”, but I don’t even hear much complaint against “Rising Sun Flag”, not even from Chinese. As far as I see, this is just one another Korean distortion only to malign Japanese reputation, just like how they are trying to overwrite the history of “Korean prostitution” into “Forced Sex Slave” across the world. Koreans were the aggressor along with Japan during WW2, nevertheless, they are always acting as if they were the victim of WW2. Koreans tend to say “Korea was invaded by Japan and Koreans were forced to be inducted into the army” and I guess it sounds reasonable excuse to deceive other nations who don’t really care about the dispute among few tiny nations located in far-east asia. Japan gov really needs to speak up globally, otherwise, the global history will be overwritten by shameless nations.

    • dk2020

      You don’t really know East Asia that well, everybody is equally guilty of jingoistic politics ..

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4r9_LSO8DQ

    • greenhamsters

      As I have already mentioned elsewhere in the thread, you need to define the terms “Korea”/”Koreans” and “Japan”/”Japanese.” These terms are being used ambiguously. It allows bad arguments to hide in the cracks where the light of reason cannot touch them.

      For example, let’s review the proposition “Koreans were the aggressor along with Japan during WW2.” This proposition has the potential to ignite passion. Too avoid being accused of substance-less propaganda, we need to specific which Koreans we are talking about? All Koreans? Some Koreans? Specific Koreans? Let’s define our terms lest we end up looking like idiots.

      • tictactogo1 .

        I don’t see much point of defining the exact term of race while we are discussing on the racial & national characteristics, traits, habbits, stereo-types etc because it’s going nowhere. We have to use our common sense based on events, evidences, statistics, government standpoints etc to determine the majority of racial trend. For example, this article here says “there is no issue to use Rising Sun Flag” by Japanese Prime Minister so you can say Japan or Japanese believe there is no issue regardless of some Japanese taking a side of Korean assertion. I’ll give you another example. Do all Koreans believe “Dokdo/Takeshima is Korean territory”? I believe it’s fair to say “Koreans believe Dokdo/Takeshima is Korean territory”, because their gov, their textbook, and all Koreans I encountered in the past say so (except one Korean residing in Japan once said “there is no such island called Dokdo nor Takeshima in the whole wide world”).

        When I say “Koreans were the aggressor along with Japan during WW2.”, I would expect anyone who wants to accuse me to have a least knowledge that “Korea was a part of Japan during WW2, therefore, anyone with Korean ethnic background was Japanese back then”. It’s such a shame I need to explain this all the time which is not so hard to comprehend unless he/she suffers from mental disorientations or careless about the topic itself at all.

        • greenhamsters

          The point is intellectual honesty and intellectual integrity. When we engage in the use of ambiguous language, we not only open ourselves up for misleading ourselves and others, but we also open ourselves up for being misunderstood by others. With emotionally charged topics such as the Rising Sun Flag, clarity, as opposed to ambiguity, is all the more important. The pursuit of clarity is not a “mental disorientation,” nor is it about being “careless.” It is about being honest and having integrity. Now, let’s turn to your examples.

          To respond to your first example, I would direct you to the logical fallacy of hasty generalization. You cannot take a characteristic from one example and apply it to the whole.

          To respond to the second example, I would agree from my own anecdotal experiences that, that is a fair generalization for Korean nationals. Though, we must be clear that it is simply a general statement and not a categorical statement. Also, I only hold this statement with moderate strength because it is based on anecdotal experiences rather than sound, social scientific research.

          To respond to your third example, I would point to the fallacy of division. That is, it assumes because something is (supposedly) true of the whole (i.e., the Japanese people) that it is necessarily true of the parts (i.e., individual groups or individuals of Japanese people).

          So, would you now like to define your terms?

          • tictactogo1 .

            As far as I’m concerned, there is nothing ambiguous about my original statement because I’m not publishing a scholarly journal but why don’t you put “majority of” right in front of Koreans / Japanese if you are having difficulty understanding what I was trying to say. Does that solve your problem?

            The first example, you are denying the idea of “generalization” itself. If you start talking about the fallacy of generalizing based on examples, you can’t argue anything. Though, you can still counter-argue based on other examples to disprove what was generalized. Let’s get back to the fundamental argument “Does Rising Sun Flag represent Japanese Imperialism and is it as equivalent as Hakenkreuz as (some or few or all) Korean claims?” I say “No”.

            The second example, you are again emphasizing to deny the idea of “generalization”. If 99% of population believes in White and 1% believes in Black, you have to generalize the entire population believes in White. How about 51% believes in White and 49% believes in Black? One can argue that they believe in White and the other can counter-arugue that’s not true. That’s what debate is all about. So do I think Korean believe that Dokdo/Takeshima is Korean territory? I would say “Yes”. Do I believe Dokdo/Takeshima is Korean territory? I say “No”.

            Same goes for the third example, but I disagree on what you have said. Korea was under Japanese occupation during WW2 and this is a historical fact whether you or Korean or anyone like it or not. It naturally means the entire citizens of Korean ethic background were Japanese and you can’t change that. I never heard of Koreans (Japanese at that time) who were against WW2 during that era (please enlighten me if you know anyone) and the record of voluntary enlisted soldiers shows their aspiration to enter into war. Let me emphasize the point I am trying to make here; “Koreans were not the victim for WW2 but they are clearly acting like one”. You can counter-arugue my assertion by either “Koreans don’t act like victim” or “Koreans were the victime of WW2″ based on your argument if you want.

            To me, I’m talking about a race who seriously lacks honesty nor integrity nor respect for others especially when it comes to Japan/Japanese. I don’t really care any more the way I accuse Korea/Koreans may eventually discredit myself because I’m already fed up with their constant baseless accusations against Japan over last two decades of my life.

          • greenhamsters

            It moves us towards a solution, but it seems you’ve misunderstood the problem being addressed. Rhetorically speaking, ambiguous wording allows one to cheat and play shell games. The cheating takes place when one makes stronger claims, via ambiguity, than one can reasonably defend. The shell games takes place when one shifts between much more subtle definitions of the word while hiding being an ambiguous definition. While the statements might not have been ambiguous to you, it does not come across as unambiguous to others. Hence, you need to be more precise and accurate. A refusal to do so is to actually engage in intellectual dishonesty and to demonstrate a lack of intellectual integrity.

            Now, to briefly address the pointed responses.

            First. Wrong. I rejected the use of “hasty” generalizations. They are an informal logical fallacy.

            Second. What an odd response. I did not reject the generalization. In fact, I agreed with it.

            Third. Koreans were Japanese citizens. This is not disputed. Though, I am actually interested in your claim. I would be happy to debate the claim that “the majority of Koreans voluntarily engaged in activities to support the Japanese WW2 efforts.” You take pro. I’ll take con. Are you game?

            Regarding your parting statement, it’s simply racism. There is no need to address racist piffle.

          • tictactogo1 .

            Your point of accuracy to avoid ambiguity is taken. Now can we move on to the argument?

            I’ll repeat myself again, but the point I was trying to make was “Koreans were not the victim for WW2 but they are acting like one as of today”. The main reason why I believe “Koreans were not the victim for WW2″ is because of the solid fact that Korea was a part of Japan starting from 1910 till 1945. Just because they decided to turn back against Japan when Japan lost, it doesn’t mean they suddenly become a victim by attempting to change “annexation” into “invasion” or “colonization”. So what is your case to support “Korea or Koreans were the victim of WW2″?
            Btw, I don’t deny being a racist against Korea/Koreans and I’m not assamed of it, but I am not biasd nor prejudiced. My hatred against them is strictly based on my personal experience directly interacting with Koreans when I was in the U.S. and countless news and events I was exposed to especially after year 2000. (You can still argue that my personal experience and knowledge based on news/events are still limited to a certain extent for calling myself unbiased or unprejudiced but save your breath for that, I have more reason to hate than favor at the end of the day and that matters)

          • greenhamsters

            I was not addressing your argument. I was not making any claims about the Koreans being aggressors or victims. I was making a case for avoiding ambiguity. Thus, I have no obligation to present a case to support the claim that Koreans were the victims of WW2.

          • tictactogo1 .

            Obligation? I responded back to your assertion which had nothing to do with the point I was trying to make, so don’t you think you owe me at least the explanation on your unwillingness to debate on my argument?

          • greenhamsters

            My response was relevant in that it addresses as aspect of the argument which could have inappropriately provided more rhetorical force than a fair assessment would allow. Because my response was dealing with an aspect of the argument rather than argument as whole, I am only obligated to address issues within that limited context. I did not intend for my response to mistaken as tackling the argument as a whole. I apologize if it could have been interpreted that way.

            While I am willing to state I disagree with your characterization of Koreans during the period leading up to, during, and after World War II, I recognize to provide an appropriate, thorough, and convincing response will require a long form argument. It is not something which I can state as a simple syllogism and move on. It is something which requires many lines of reasoning to establish the general sentiments of a large body of people. This would take a significant amount of my time, and given my current responsibilities at work and in life I do not have the time to devote to this. Further, I am not confident such a long form argument would receive a fair hearing in the comments section of a website. That is not intended as a slight against you, but it’s an observation from my own experiences about how little people tolerate long form arguments within many easily accessible Internet communities (e.g., forums, blog comments, etc.). Thus, the return on such effort would, from my perspective, likely be a waste of time.

            That said, I will provide you a brief overview of why I would reject your claims that the majority of Koreans were aggressors and were not victims. However, keep in mind, I am not going to defend this. I am simply providing this to give you an idea of why another, a non-Korean, might not agree with your sentiments.

            I have studied the colonial period in a formal academic setting. The pattern is easily recognized that the origins and development of the Korean national identity started toward the end of the 19th century and were accelerated in the early 20th century. This was the foundation for the fervent nationalism we observe today. This development of a national identity led many Koreans to increasingly resist the encroachment of Japan on their lives between 1905-1945.

            The Japanese colonial government became increasingly aggressive in its attempts to put down these resistance and independence movements. It result in many policies in which Koreans were limited or block from engaging in business, government, education, and so on. As time moved closer to the War, the colonial government became increasingly antagonistic to the Koreans. It started censoring Korean media (e.g., film, newspapers, books, etc.) which was seen as hostile. It eventually closed the Korean language newspapers. Many Koreans were forced to take on Japanese names. And the Japanese colonial government took on an assimilationist policy which attempted to eradicate Korean culture and replace it with Japanese culture. The government wanted to turn Koreans into Japanese.

            With all of this background, which is small mound of the mountain which exists, I am hard-pressed to accept claims that they were happily going along with the plans of the Empire. Thus, I find your claims to be dubious and poorly researched.

            Again, I am not going to defend this. You can respond as you like. I gave you a general response based on your desire to know why, though.

          • tictactogo1 .

            I hear you on spending so much time trying to pursuade others but end up in vain, that happens all that time for me as well. There ain’t too many people who are really interested in topics to endure listening to a whole story of argument especially if it is something intended to disprove one’s point of argument. Nevertheless, I appreciate spending time to explain where you stand on whether Koreans were the victim or not.

            First of all, my positioning was “Koreans were not the victim of WW2, was rather aggressor along with Japan during WW2, therefore, Koreans are not entitled to criticize Japan for WW2 by any means” whereas your positioning is “Koreans were the victim for being suppressed under Japanese rule with the intention to demolish Korean national identity throughout JP-Korea annexation period” so they are two different sets of argument. I hope you have no objection to this.

            Assuming you are not intending to argue against my positioning and simply wanted to state your positioning, let me put down my thought based on your comment.

            I have a total different viewpoint on Korean national identity. I believe Korean national identity during JP-Korea annexation period and after the establishment of ROK to this date are totally different.

            Koreans always believe that Japan ought to be inferior than Korea since Japan is located farther from China than Korea. I’m sure you already know terms “Sadaejuui”, “Sojunghwa (Petit Sinocentrism)”, and the concept of hierarchical relation to define who is superior or inferior led by “Confucianism”. The foundation of Korean national identity is not coming from “how horrible Koreans were mistreated during the annexation period (as Koreans always say and what you seem to believe)” but the intolerable fact that Japan brought Korea under Japanese occupation who supposed to be much inferior than Korea which led to their grudge “Han”.

            There wew number of Korean independence movements during JP-Korea annexation period and no argument here. There were independence movements even in Taiwan. In fact, there were independence movements in any colonized nations most of times. You must also take into account that the moral & diplomatic acceptance of annexation/colonization/invasion are totally different today and 100years ago. The point I want to make here is that there were suppressed Koreans who wanted to gain back their independence but you must remember that JP-Korea annexation itself was also largely promoted by Koreans themselves and there also were prominent Koreans who devoted their lives for Japan during its period as well. Japan gave an opportunity for Korea to be independent (Korean Empire, 1897-1910) and see what happened? Japan annexed Korea mainly to gain the locational advantage to prevent the invasion from Eastern Great Power. Korean indepedence would naturally brings a threat of Eastern Great Power for Japan during that time.

            You seem to be criticizing the assimilationist policy, but I don’t see any issues considering the fact that Japan annexed Korea afterall. Tell me a good reason why Japan should have co-existed two different cultures in one country. Besides, Japan was the one who distributed Hangeul as Korean standard language after the annexation (not to mention that most of books and official records were writen in Chinese characters before the annexation). Moreover, if you have researched Korean living standard before & after the annexation, you can easily find out how much Japan contributed to develop Korea, which improved their infrastructure, living standard, and social priviledges. They shouldn’t be complaining for taken away something which they never had to begin with.

            Now let’s talk about Korean national identity, or I would say Anti-Japan sentiments of Koreans, as of today. It’s quite simple. It is a mere by-product of anti-Japan education which was introduced by Syngman Rhee ever after the establishment of ROK to this date. It’s quite amazing the difference in attitude toward Japan between Koreans who lived during the annexation period (very few as of today) and those who were born after ROK was established. I can tell you a interesting experience about this if you are interested. The main reason why Taiwanese have totally different viewpoint toward the annexation is because Taiwanese gov do not introduce Anti-Japan education in order to establish National identity and Patriotism.

            OK, I’m tired now since I cannot write English as good and fast as you can. Let’s discuss if you still are interested.

          • nitrostat

            baseless accusations ehh? so where is your accusations coming from? “Koreans were the aggressor along with Japan during WW2″… by that logic i guess Poland and France were aggressors too.. and so was China since they were under Japanese rule… u F#@$ idiot

          • chucky3176

            That’s a very popular viewpoint in Japan. I’ve heard it so many times from their nationalists and Japanophile Japan apologists (they’re even more patriotic then the Japanese nationalists themselves!). But they have no support from any of the serious historians.

          • tictactogo1 .

            If this is a popular viewpoint, how come you can’t even refute this fundamental logic and keep repeating same shit over and over? I’ll tell you a reason. The objective of Korean propaganda is not to refute against those who are eager to find out what had really happened in the history. The objective is to brainwash those who don’t know or careless about the history. The bottomeline is, Koreans themselves don’t care what had happened in the history. Only thing that matters to them is a reason to point a finger at Japan regardless of facts or truth.
            Also who exactly would be “serious historians”? Obviously you are netiher “serious” nor “historian”.

          • tictactogo1 .

            Moron, Japan never invaded Korea to begin with. Don’t even try “Japan-Korea annexation was illegitimate” bullshit, that only works within Korean peninsula. Moreover, Korea (Chosen) was under Japanese occupation for 36yrs so many of them were born and grew up as Japanese citizen, so it’s nothing like Poland nor France who were invaded right around WW2.
            Unlike Koreans today, I don’t recall Taiwanese pretending like a victim trying to rewrite a history into Korean fantasy across the world. Taiwan don’t endorse anti-Japan education and embrace self-righteous history for political reasons like how Korea and China do.
            I repeat, stop acting like a goddamn victim!

    • Isaac

      “Koreans were the aggressor along with Japan during WW2″

      In that case, France and Poland are also responsible for the holocaust during WW2 since Nazi Germany occupied these countries. Is that what you’re saying?

  • firstmelodyfuture

    Since Koreans are comparing Japan with Germany, lets also compare Korea and Austria. Austria has compensated (along with Germany) Jewish victims as they also took part in the holocaust.

    Why doesn’t the Korean government compensate nations such as China for their involvement in mistreating the civilians? There is a reason why Chinese people call Koreans “G&%*$ B&*^%$” (censored).

  • bultak23

    Japan should realize that the death and destruction they waged during WWII was an abomination to heaven and earth. Those Japanese soldiers that did these things will not escape the worst hells and their souls will spend thousands of years with foul smelling spirits and they will have to repair their misdeeds that they committed during their earth lives. Regardless of what babbling prayers they say and regardless of their enshrinement in a fancy tomb.

  • symon

    Japan>Korea any day.

    • symon

      Well, it’s true. So suck it up princess.

  • dk2020

    Interesting article about Oliver Stone’s perspective about the rise of nationalism in Japan ..

    http://www.agimag.co.uk/oliver-stone-visits-asia-slams-us-japan-govt/

  • GermanTiger

    Afaik the rising sun-flag is – unlike the svastika-flag of the Nazis or the red flags of communist movements – not linked to a certain political movement.
    It was simply chosen by the japanese military in 1870 as a warflag and as a unifying symbol.

    Ironically, the rising sun-flag of the japanese army was made popular by the US.
    The japanese ground self-defence armed forces use today a variant of the rising sun-flag, btw.
    The armed forces of the Republic of Korea also committed some warcrimes, like on Cheju and later in Vietnam. Shall the flag of the Republic of Korea or those of its armed forces and symbols therefore be forbidden?

  • Cheng

    Korea and Japan are two of Asia’s greatest modern economies, there is nothing to be gained from this hate. Soon both will come under embrace of older brother to unite Orient once and for all.

  • HaydenG

    The flag existed BEFORE japan committed the war crimes. So the Nazi flag comparison is invalid. Who cares what they make their flag.

  • http://couponbookmmo.blogspot.com/ couponbookMMO

    you fuckers dont know korean history
    the an joong guen general fight japanese. it was 1,000 vs 10,000 (5,000 vs 50,000). he won japanese without a lose. even japanese soldiers fight japanese soldiers (you would understand it if you watched naruto. people who did incest and most disgusting things are most stupid with low intelligence.)

  • Russia

    korea and japan, 2 pawns of the USA.

    all USA fault

  • tictactogo1 .

    Feel almost sorry for Koreans who have no freedom of speech & thoughts.
    http://yeoksa.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-95.html

  • Michael0813

    Fuc* Koreans. I am not Japanese. I am American. We got over Pearl Harbor..i dnt see why Koreans still complain. Oh thats right because Koreans are cowards. The USA has to protect South Korea from North Korea. Koreans are born weak. Thad ehy Japan conquered your country and thats why you need America to protect you. Screw Korea!!

  • kiehl

    I thought it was also banned by the U.N. in 1945.
    Why is Rising Sun flag getting popular in Japan lately?
    Even a school is making T-shirts! Can somebody expert explain?

    https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.556735027717058.1073741852.258035907586973&type=1

  • Just a thought

    Just some quotes from people:

    “If you use the flag only in your own country, it will be okay… But if you bring it outside, be ready to get shot…”
    Your not shooting anyone, calm down internet hero.

    “Those radioactive monkeys which have caused so much harm to others just need to disappear already.”
    Hmm, you sound more Nazi-like to me.

    “That’s why far right-wing Japs go around waving that flag like mad.”
    Calling people derogatory names is not a good way to get your point across.

    Funny, everyone says the “Rising Sun Flag” represents hate and is comparable to the Nazi flag, but you people spending all your time and energy trying to get everyone to think like you do sound more like Nazi’s. Get over it, I’ll fly whatever flag and wear whatever symbol I wish and there is nothing you can do about it. Your ignorance in believing that a symbol can’t have a different meaning than it did 70 years ago doesn’t make sense. Just more Koreans looking for a reason to hate Japan. So much jealousy in the hearts of Koreans.

  • Harry Newman

    During the 60′s the Japanese government sent 100′s of millions of dollars to the South Korean government who spent it all on themselves and not to their intended recipients.

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