What Koreans Really Think About Japan (And Its Netizens)

On online community Ilbe, Japan is one of the most frequently discussed foreign countries and netizens exchange a variety of opinions about topics ranging from pop culture, tourism to history and politics. There have been a series of posts about Japanese media’s coverage about Korea over the last few years. The following article from the Asahi Shimbun partially explains the context of such posts.

Why the swarm of anti-Korean and anti-Chinese books at bookstores?

Note that ‘gukppong’ (국뽕) which means ‘nationalism-meth’ is an internet slang word highly popularized by conservative netizens to make fun of embarrassingly patriotic narratives.

From Ilbe: [August 2014]

Let’s take a look at voyeuristic Japanese websites

Japanese netouyo bastards go on about cutting ties with Korea every chance they get. Let’s see how much they care about Korean reactions and what’s going on in Korea. I used a web translator for you guys to see what kind of articles they post.

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And there are a freaking lot more websites like those, kekekeke

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You Ilbe users might have only known about Kaikai, that specializes in translating Ilbe comments. But there are too freaking many, right? They are all anti-Korea themed websites that peep at Korean reactions. I spent half an hour finding those websites that only cover “Korean reactions”. If I decided to find them all, I would’ve probably been able to find several times more. What’s worse is that those sites have so much traffic. On most of those websites, for each article, the number of Japanese netizens’ comments amounts from 30 to several thousands or even several tens of thousands, kekekeke.

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On the contrary, take a look at the biggest foreign netizen comment translation sites in Korea, Gasengi and Gesomoon. On average, Gasengi articles get about 50 comments and it seems Gesomoon articles get even less than that. Also, there are YouTube channels where Japs peep at Korean reactions.

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On Ilbe, if you post something from Gasengi or Gesomoon, they give you down-vote bombs saying these Kimchi men caught voyeurism. But IMO, such voyeurism and stalking is on a mental illness level among Japs. While these Japs always whine about ties with Korea, they are such big Korea stalkers.

FYI, there are English websites that show Korean reactions, too. One of the biggest is “Netizen Buzz”. But those users are mostly K-pop fans who are friendly towards Korea.

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Comments from Ilbe:
ip타임N904:

Why do they pay so much attention to Korea? Do Kimchi men care about Taiwan? I can’t freaking understand this. Do they care a lot about China, too?

Gsniper: [Responding to above]

Just like how we are interested in Japanese reactions, they are very interested in Korean reactions, too. We are their next door neighbors.

Ikpure: [Responding to above]

But we aren’t as interested as them, keke. Also, those websites I found specialize “only” in Korean reactions. There are a lot of websites that cover other foreign countries’ reactions, too.

호랑이무현:

I think this article will be translated by them, too, kekeke.

뉀눔뉴뮤눠: [Responding to above]

It gets translated only when there are enough comments that do not hurt Japanese pride or that praise Japan. The problem is that most of their translated articles on sites like Kaikai are different from the original context or they just select the comments that praise Japan. It seems the Japanese need self-brainwashing so much.

좀비패는고양이:

Since there are a lot of young users here on Ilbe, they can’t make good judgement, intoxicated by gukppong [nationalism-meth]. If it weren’t for Japan, Korea wouldn’t even exist. South Korea is the middle ground between brute North Korea and heavenly Japan. By the time we become a developed country with $40,000 GDP, you will realize that Japan is right and just.

찢찌샤: [Responding to above]

Kaikai fellas will 100% be translating this comment. Don’t spew shit like this even if it’s your schtick.

녹색의윙윙:

I guess they also have trolls who mock Japan while praising Korea, right?

렇게사랑한다: [Responding to above]

You can see them from highly down-voted comments on Yahoo Japan’s Korea-related articles.

홍어대변기:

Ironically, such voyeurism becomes Japan’s power. We also need to peep on neighboring countries, especially Japan and China, and build a database. Isn’t it funny that their unique perversion is their strength? Just like their otaku culture that cares so much about details.

콘셉트:

Japs disguise themselves as Koreans on YouTube and they comment under things like Thai music videos that they all copied K-pop and Thailand is uncivilized to draw aggro. Then automatically South East Asian fellows leave comments bashing Korea. This is not isolated. I will post about this later.

ㅈㄷㄹㅈㄷㄹㅈ:

Let me tell you why they are acting like that. Japan has been in recession since the 90s. Especially during the financial crisis in 2009, Japan completely went under. Their GDP hit -15%. Then they experienced the big earthquake and the crisis grew bigger. In the meantime, China surpassed Japan in GDP and Korea’s Samsung beat down Japanese electronics companies. They felt this atmosphere of severe crisis. While they were feeling anxious, Lee Myung-bak visited Dokdo and mentioned the Japanese emperor in 2012. Japan was also in disputes with China about Senkaku. Their anxiety reached a maximum. Their attention towards China and Korea, their wish that those two countries would collapse got stronger and stronger. Then you may ask why they are much more interested in Korea than in China. Japanese and Korean languages are quite similar in terms of word usage and grammar. So even if they rely on machine translation, they can have a good understanding of written Korean, and there are many Japanese people who can speak Korean, too. Also, although China has a huge population, their internet culture isn’t as vibrant as Korea’s. In Korea, every citizen uses the internet and there are new hot topics every day. Hence, Korean reactions enjoy more popularity. Also, Korea is more developed than China and is also next door to Japan. Recently, there was the Hallyu [Korean wave] fad in Japan, too. Although people say that Hallyu died down in Japan, there are still enough people who are interested in Hallyu. Just like how Koreans are still interested in anime. You can see the comments and views for Hallyu-related videos on Nico Nico Douga. When groups like EXO or Girls’ Generation hold a concert in Japan, tens of thousands of fans show up. As for Korean dramas, quite a few Sushi girls still watch them. If you type some Korean drama titles in the search bar on Yahoo Japan, related search words pop up quickly. For example, if you type “You Who Came From The Stars”, you get related search words like “EP 9” and “Japanese sub”. Korean dramas are still popular among certain demographics in Japan. It’s like those Koreans who watch anime keep watching it no matter what.

안나대미:

Fuck, Ilbe thinks fucking highly of Japan anyway, kekekekekekeke.

Jack.D: [Responding to above]

Because it’s true. No matter what, our cultural and economic level isn’t on par with them yet.

예수.:

Voyeurism is so big in Japan and I think the country that resembles Japan the most is Korea. Koreans also post Japanese reactions for any events. “Japanese reactions” for Christ’s sake ^^ That means Koreans are also insecure.

IMAXㅅㅅ:

Compare the most read articles in the international news section on Japan’s biggest portal site Yahoo Japan and Korea’s biggest portal site Naver, kekeke. More than 70% of the most popular international news articles are about Korea on Yahoo Japan.

뇌시개개새끼:

If you go to Gasengi, there are a lot of mental people, too. I saw one guy bullshitting that Joseon was ahead of Japan just because they had streetcars earlier than Japan, ke. That guy wasn’t even a far-right winger. Just a literally gukppong [nationalism-meth] patient. The first streetcars in Seoul were made by Japanese engineers from Kyoto using American capital and the driver was a Japanese, too. He just didn’t listen.

Onedge: [Responding to above]

It’s like anti-Chinese, Japanese and Taiwanese sentiments have been fostered by such internet comment translation websites.

잡학게이:

This is for real, kekeke. Honestly, all those bullshit comments about Japan on the Korean internet are child’s play compared to Japanese netizens’ comments about Korea, kekeke. They have a legion of netouyos who rush to any Korea-bashing articles, so the website admins can make a living off of it. It is such an outdated notion that Japan doesn’t care about Korea.

보지보지456:

Is Japan really going under? Why do they care so much about this fucking tiny country? Kekekekeke, honestly, Koreans curse out Japan when there are articles about them but I didn’t know Japs were pathologically obsessed with us like that… I guess it’s true that Japan is going under.

펭귄의물리학:

This is for real. Yahoo Japan is like Naver in Korea. Whenever there is the word “Korea” in an article, their netizens foam at the mouth and the number of comments hits more than 10,000. Those bastards are so butthurt about Korea. Please stop caring about us.

이토히데아키:

Hey, I’m really curious. Isn’t Japan ahead of Korea overall? Why do they care about Korean reactions? We just laugh and ignore Taiwanese bastards no matter how much they go crazy at us. Why is Japan especially obsessed with Korean reactions? Oh, of course, weeaboos are SoBs.

Rpvs: [Responding to above]

They used to regard Korea as weaksauce in almost every area. It seems they got a full erection after Korea caught up with them in some areas, keke. Several days ago, Korea’s Human Development Index (HDI) was ranked higher than Japan’s. When there was an article that Korea’s current account surplus ranked 5th in the world, Jap netizens were so butthurt in despair.

사창가5m:

It’s undeniable that Japan is a stronger country than us anyway. Then why are they insecure about our uncivilized country?

Prueri:

What are you talking about? Netizen Buzz is an anti-Korean website disguised as a Hallyu fan site. Allkpop is cute compared to them.

Ikpure: [Responding to above]

They just hate Korean netizens who bash their favorite Korean singers. It seems most of their comments are positive.

From Ilbe: [April 2015]

Popular books currently on sale in Japan

Most of these books got 4 or 5 stars in online reviews.

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1. JAPAN CLASS – Collection of foreign reactions from Japan’s voyeurism sites. The reviews are divided. I think it’s a bit funny that even a book like this is published in the first place.
2. The US and China’s Arrogance and Lies
3. Anti-Japanese Korea’s Self-Destruction Has Begun
4. There is No Future for Anti-Japanese Korea
5. Japan, Respected by the World
6. Shameful Korea Written by a Korean
7. The Birth of Asian Hegemon Japan
8. Evil Korea
9. Tried Living in the UK, Japan, France and America: Japan was the best place for me.
10. Japan is Nearly a Utopia From a UK Perspective
11. I Have Lived in Europe. Japan wins by 9 to 1.
But this book’s review isn’t very good among the books of this kind. It got mostly one or two stars. Several five stars given by right-wing netizens.
12. Why Muslims Respect Japan.

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13. Thank You for Fighting for Us, Japan. Japan Praised by Asia
14. True Reasons This Briton Living in Japan Does Not Return to the UK
15. China: Defeated by Japan and Ostracized by the World
16. Japan is Ahead of the UK by 50 Years
17. Why is Japan Beloved by Asian Countries?
18. Big Lies of Anti-Japanese History that Curses Japan
19. Japan’s War; It Was Righteous: The Facts China and Korea Want to Hide
20. American Occupation that Prevented Japan from Rising up Again
21. The Japanese: Why are we so different from the Chinese and Koreans?
22. 33 things that Japan Can Show off to the World
23. Why is Japan Respected by the World?
24. The Japanese are Fundamentally Different from the Chinese and Koreans.

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25. Chinese and Koreans’ dark heart that forgot Japan’s generosity
26. True Nature of the Chinese Unknown to the Japanese
27. I want to become Japanese: Japanese People from the Perspective of 27 European Countries
28. Japan Becomes Like This After China Collapses
29. The Era of China has Ended
30. The World Has Begun Abandoning China and Korea: The state of Growing Anti-Chinese and Korean Sentiment
31. The World Admires Japan and Its Emperor
32. Abandon This Country: The Madness and Weirdness of Koreans

FYI, there are books like these, too.

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The World’s Civilizations Originated from Japan. The Japanese and the Jews. Surprisingly Similar Japanese and Jews. Ancient Japan’s Jewish Origin Legend, etc. It is not just these books. Their media and YouTube broadcasts show a strong tendency toward this stuff. Not those personal channels. They usually quote Oh Seon-hwa or Kim Wan-seop to bash Korea.

Honorary professor Funabiki Takeo at Tokyo University pointed out such a self-praise fad is based on their anxiety. He said when Japan is going through hard times or the Japanese are uncertain about their identity, this type of “special Japanese” theories become popular as a tranquilizer. He said the first period was during the war with China and Russia, the second period was from 1929 when the Great Depression began, and the third period was between the end of World War 2 and the rapid economic growth era. He added that the current climate in Japan resembles the second period and the targets for comparison are shifting to Korea and China from the West back then. All these books were published within the last year.

What other country on earth keeps publishing books like these and makes them best sellers? It’s endless indeed. Is this some wuxia novel series or what…

Comments from Ilbe:

야타카아:

Japan is currently being pushed aside by China in East Asia and turning into the setting sun. So there are many publications like those.

타이탄짱이랑:

Honestly, I think the country where collectivism and unity is strong is not Korea but Japan or China. In Korea, I don’t think we can see it much except when World Cup is going on or something like that.

W3G:

Superiority of Japan? I see something along those lines a lot from those books… But it’s true. They have the third biggest economy. They do not fall behind in terms of culture, citizenship and sports infrastructure. I wish Korea was like that. We should stop feeling insecure about Japan and fix our problems first.

킬러:

They surpassed Korea in terms of nationalism a long time ago. It’s going crazy.

윈에이드:

Do you think our country doesn’t have garbage books like those?

타이탄짱이랑: [Responding to above]

When did a wave of such books get published and become best sellers because our society is anxious? You are not getting the point, keke.

아동강간범:

It means their society has a certain level of anxiety. When things are economically and socially hard, people tend to get absorbed into collectivism or give up their individual life. In such a society, they have to find scapegoats and feel that “they are doing their part” by abusing those scapegoats. Japan’s right-wing, hikikomori, Russia’s skinheads, or suicide rates. Korea is the same, too.

room335:

If those kind of books were published in Korea, the writers would’ve been humiliated big time for being gukppong.

일베충들킬뻔:

The Abe administration doesn’t want an apologetic and self-reflecting Japan. They want a strong and respected Japan.

정신분석게이:

If Japan was truly a utopia and a great place to live in, they don’t need to advertise it like that. They feel something is lacking so they exaggerate and praise it.

씨없는부랄김대중:

So funny how those gukkas [Korean Korea-bashers] got shut down, kekekeke. They always go apeshit and arrogantly preach about how bad gukppong is in Korea and how being a gukka or a weeaboo is the true patriotic stance like it’s some New Enlightenment. Even when you point out plain facts to them, they brush it off as gukppong and talk about patriotism and national security, fuck kekeke. Did we say the Hwan nation from Hwandangogi is real or Goguryeo ruled Siberia or anything like that? Even when you just point out facts, they act like a wall that can’t listen and still think they are truly being patriotic, tsk tsk.

나기사다이스키:

I wouldn’t believe it even if you say those kind of books were published in Korea about 10 years ago. It’s like, Japan used to be cool even when Korea was a loudmouth. Has the situation reversed?

guest:

The Korean woman who bashes Korea while sucking up to Japan as a Korea representative is the one who used to sell her body in Japan and gets paid for letting them use her name in books.

년후고인돌:

Their big publication market allows such shitty books, too, which is better than Korea. Down voted.

네셔널리스트:

I wrote about this a few days ago. Certainly, there is some sickness in Japanese minds right now. They always go on about how Korea is an anti-Japanese country but once they visit Korea, they will be puzzled and ask themselves about it. The anti-Japanese sentiment in Korea is limited to history and Dokdo problems. Usually, Koreans care much less about Japan than before. On Ilbe, there are a lot of Japan-related posts but on other websites, Japan-related posts are very rare. Recently, Japan got spotlight for history or Dokdo issues again but it died down quickly. On the other hand, the anti-Korean trend is strong in Japan. Japan is the only country on earth that fanatically and relentlessly disparages another country 24/7.

나는정신병자:

Even the CEO of Oracle is a hell of a weeaboo. There are so fucking many Wapanese in Hollywood, too. The Japanese can drink gukppong because they have things to back it up. Fucking Korea doesn’t have that.

타이탄짱이랑: [Responding to above]

Don’t be blind. Everything has a reason. The person who first introduced Buddhism in the US was a Japanese monk. Back then, Buddhism was very new to the West. It wasn’t Indians who went around spreading it. At that time, China and Korea were a mess going through war and colonialism. That’s why there are many Japanese-style Buddhists in the US. Samurai and stuff like that were popularized by revered Japanese director Kurosawa Akira. When the Kungfu stuff got so popular, ninja legends were incorporated in the American media and spread throughout the world. Ninjas in Japan disappeared a long time ago. There is a school that re-enacts ninjas in Japan. It was like a comedy. You would be disappointed. The image of ninjas in American media spread throughout the world and now you even see ridiculous ninja schools in Arab countries.

나는정신병자: [Responding to above]

Shut up. What matters is that fucking Joseon doesn’t even have things like that. Sushi or Japanese dishes are popular in foreign countries but Korean restaurants go out of business, kekekekeke.

타이탄짱이랑: [Responding to above]

Korea began interacting with the West in modern times, but Japan was interacting with Portugal, France, Netherlands, etc. a long time ago, although it was copying rather than exchanging. Korea interacted with central Asia, Arabs, Iran, and India. Shilla was mentioned even in an Iranian myth.

말스: [There is a long sub-thread under this comment. Only a small part is shown here.]

As someone who’s living in Japan, they aren’t exactly wrong. Recession continues in Korea while Japan at least has seen the onset of recovery. Koreans are being frogs in a well. They underestimate Japan too much. Just like how Taiwan sees Korea. If we want to be a developed country, we need to know where they truly stand. The employment rates in Japan are much higher than in Korea. I don’t know how Koreans can underestimate Japan when they should try to learn from Japan’s citizenship and social systems, kekeke. It seems the only developed Asian countries are Singapore and Japan. Malaysia and Korea are mid-developed countries. Don’t foam at the mouth and attack me though. Whenever I make comments like this, there are people who call me a weeaboo. I wouldn’t mind if they at least realize what I say is true. Koreans tend to take criticism about their country or themselves as a curse. A good debate culture has not settled yet. To fix this, people in their 20s should try living abroad as interns and realize the problems in Korea instead of drinking and playing around. I get a strong feeling that most guys who call me a weeaboo seem to be those who have never lived abroad.

타이탄짱이랑: [Responding to above]

Japan is recovering? I laugh.

나는정신병자: [Responding to above]

Nikkei hit the peak in 15 years. In the meantime, KOSPI is struggling.

나기사다이스키: [Responding to above]

I write this briefly because it’s bothersome to edit on a phone. Let’s see what happened in Japan. The government bonds got less attractive due to inflation. Institutions and individuals flocked to the stock market. Foreign investors who left due to low profitability came back. They moved from undervalued to normal. But the problems of an aging population, an economy dependent on domestic consumption, and unresolved national debt remain. In Korea, it’s constantly undervalued due to the North Korea risk. Low yen undermined Korean companies’ revenues. There were many negative factors such as Hu-gang Tong, Abenomics, newly emerged countries, etc. Anyway, the stock market doesn’t provide some absolute indices you can use to evaluate the country’s economy due to many factors. For example, if the government implements a law that compensates anyone who bought stocks listed on KOSPI and lost money, KOSPI will go up through the roof but the country will get fucked up, you know?

스꺼어얼루나: [Responding to 말스]

Your advice isn’t like “Japan is like this and that. We can learn from it.” Even for the same thing, when Japan does it, you are like “heavenly Japan!” but when Korea does it, you are like “Retarded gukppong…” Your comments drip of double standards and selective arguments. Nothing really constructive. What do you expect? Should I force myself to take it constructively?

말스: [Responding to above]

Sorry about my poor comments, ke. It took some time to finish house chores. I have been called a weeaboo so many times. The reason why I write comments like that is because I want Korea to become a developed country. Not spitting, littering or pushing on the street. About 3 out of 10 do this in Japan. What about Korea? About 6 out of 10. Reducing that 30% gap doesn’t happen overnight. So I tend to sound jaded about Korea’s future. Sorry.

오징어제조기: [Responding to 말스]

World’s 5th biggest military. World’s 5th biggest technological industry. World’s 5th biggest manufacturing industry. World’s 4th biggest cultural industry. Average income exceeding 30,000 dollars. University graduates’ first salary is 2,700,000 won, which is on par with Western Europe or Japan. This is a mid-developed country?? Aren’t you underestimating Korea?

말스: [Responding to above]

I refuse to take gukppong.

Military – Our defense industry is tainted with corruption. Will we be able to use 100% of what shows up in the numbers?
Technology – We have a pyramid structure based on subcontractors. Japan is centered around mid-sized companies. Do you think we can compete against them?
Manufacturing – I admit it. Park Chung-hee did a good job and it has led to what we have today.
Culture – Pushing, spitting and littering. I see these three in Japan only occasionally, not all the time. You will know this well if you live here.

University graduates’ first salary – Even if that is on par with Japan, Japan’s employment rate isn’t as low the 60% or 70% in Korea. Most of them can get a job right after they graduate.

Calling Korea a mid-developed country is already an overestimation. There are so many things to fix in Korea. You will see that if you go abroad. If Korea was that good, why is the rate of nationality change the highest among the OECD countries?

꼬플렛: [Responding to 말스]

Honestly, I acknowledge that Japan is a great country. But what I fucking hate to see is something like that. It’s like they think Japan is the center of the world if you look at those books. Self-acclaimed honorary white people or non-Asians and whatnot. The branches that bear the most fruit hang the lowest. Their stuck-up attitude is fucking obnoxious.

말스: [Responding to above]

You see bullshitters in Korea, too, right? Same thing. There are writers like those in Korea, too. Just ignore them. If you talk to really ordinary Japanese people, they are too busy making a living to care. How many of them would even care about Korea?

<(:3:::): [Responding to above]

It is more of a problem that pretentious guys like you who cannot distinguish between criticism and self-hate lecture about debate culture in a condescending tone.

말스: [Responding to above]

If that is the only retort you can make about me, I have nothing else to say. How is my criticism self-hatred? Did I say anything wrong? The moment I feel Korea is fucked up the most is the moment I leave Incheon Airport. If you don’t know what I mean, keep on living like that. Those who lived in Japan and came back to Korea might understand what I mean.

<(:3:::): [Responding to above]

You only lived in Japan, right? I knew it. Those who lived in Europe, South America or even North America don’t underestimate Korea like that. What you said is a fact? What fact? So how uncivilized are Koreans? Jap fellas are very sensitive about saving face and courtesy. That has developed into mature citizenship and it is their strength. But they can be two-faced and show strong individualism. On top of that, they don’t have the courage to satisfy their needs so all kinds of perverted things flourish in that country. They are quiet and clean but grey. Koreans are more aggressive and less sensitive about courtesy than them. But Koreans can also care about other people with true hearts. We say Koreans are rude but from a global perspective, Koreans are still on the better side. In Europe or the US, you can occasionally meet racists in private spaces. If you ever meet those uneducated ones who get violent as soon as they don’t have it their way, you will realize what I mean. Also, how is Japan’s economy a wall we can’t climb over? That is the story of the 80s and 90s. Japan’s growth has been stagnant for a while. Meanwhile, Korea and China grew up and the practical gap closed in. They make a fuss about Abenomics to get back the glory of the past. Some say they have seen half success but they attempted to revitalize economy through abnormal inflation. We can’t say whether they are recovering yet because we have yet to see how they control the side effects. What if Nikkei hit the peak momentarily? It is still drawing sine waves. I’m confident that I know better than you. Don’t act like you know everything after having lived in Japan for a bit. So obnoxious.

말스: [Responding to above]

Keke well, I decided to write more since you said I’m obnoxious. Honestly, I’m not happy with my comments because I couldn’t write all I wanted to say due to my poor writing skills. I studied in Canada. I’m currently living in Japan and my parents are living in New York. Sorry I can’t prove this. Just from what you wrote, it seems you’ve never lived in Japan for at least more than half a year. Strong individualism? It seems you’ve taken the image about Japan from the media with no filter. Let’s even say you have lived in Japan before. If you still felt strong individualism, I think you just couldn’t make friends here. I see more good things from Japanese people’s personalities. It’s hard to find bad traits. Individualistic tendency? It exists. There are more independent people who live their own lives in Japan than in Korea. Crazies? We just see a lot of them on news. Mostly social misfits. Grey cities? I’ve felt that way when I first came to Japan. I thought they were quite uptight and only care about their own interest. However, after I settled here, I began to see different things. There are good and bad guys. Sure, this is a corny story that applies to Korea, too. But I met many good people here. You have no idea. Before you say I don’t know about worldly affairs, look at your own comments. It is you who doesn’t really know. You just tried to argue with me using an image the media fed you. Isn’t your experience just from shallow socializing with exchange students in Korea from Europe and the Americas?

I’m not saying Korea has many bad things. I’m saying we have lots of things to learn. Korea is much better than Japan when it comes to transit, delivery services, and telecommunication. For these things, Japan can learn from Korea. On the other hand, what Korea can learn from them is their attitude. You may not feel it because you are in Korea. I feel I’m in Korea as soon as I set foot in Korea because I see people spit, push, or litter. I feel it when I see people who ignore greetings on a bus. Koreans treat people they know very well but I think their attitude towards strangers is rude. Koreans have jeong [affectionate attitude]? No. It’s just that they like to butt in on others’ business. Koreans are a bit more flexible than the Japanese, but Koreans are more likely to look down on or curse at someone. I hope you experience the world more and realize this. I won’t bother going into detail about the economy. Stock market and trade indices get renewed every day or every month. Argue with me after you observe those. Japan’s economy isn’t something Koreans can talk lightly of. Truly, honestly, I pity your ignorance that shows in your long comment. I don’t know why you think you know better than me. All my family members are living abroad. I can confidently say that I have more overseas experience than you. I have a different vision than you in the first place. I don’t know if you read Japanese newspapers. I read Mainichi and Yomiuri as well as Joongang, Donga and Kyunghyang. You will see how much of a frog in a well Korea is. You will feel that Korean articles are written with emotion, while Japanese newspapers cover even a simple event very meticulously.

<(:3:::): [Responding to above]

I have also studied in the US and I heard about other countries from my friends who lived there. I’ve never been to Japan. Aren’t you just saying emotional things purely based on your personal experience? You said Japan was desolate at first but it changed after you settled there. Let me ask you, do you think that doesn’t apply to other countries? Your corny story applies to Korea, too. Also, how is what I heard from my friends shallow? What you said was also just your personal feelings and experience. What’s the difference? The only advanced Japanese culture you can boast about is their law-abiding attitude and respect for public order. I acknowledge it, too. But do such things decide whether the country is developed or developing? If you think so, you are the true frog in a well. In the world, it is Japan who’s especially sensitive about those things. You read my other comments, right? Of course, Korea’s economy is not comparable to Japan’s. Do you think I’m an idiot? Don’t worry. It is not something someone like you who say their articles are of a different caliber after reading a few Japanese newspaper articles and getting intoxicated by their meth can comment about. Stock market and trade scale? Kekeke, your joke was funny. If you have time, go read some economy papers and textbooks. I do that because I major in economics. What is Japan’s current state, what is Abe doing, what effects will be brought about, etc. Study and come back. Not just after reading a few newspapers written to fit the staff room’s agenda. Stop thinking that Japanese guys are only objective and sharp. It seems you are a kid who can’t understand society overall. You say I can’t talk about countries I haven’t visited and you use only personal experience when we talk about current affairs. The way you talk about economics… Yet you are more stuck up than anybody else. Baseless confidence. That’s why I was ticked off. Because someone who’s not all that was acting like he is something. It seems you are in your early 20s. I’ve seen guys like you a lot here on Ilbe. I will just move on. FYI, I know very well what you mean by your advice. Don’t worry.

말스: [Responding to above]

What? Are you an undergraduate student? I quit my graduate school and do business. It’s true that I’m stuck up. I’m as successful as I wanted to be, ke. It would be better if you stop telling me to study. Economy issues are my daily life. So…you’ve never been to Japan? That’s why we can’t talk. If you had studied in Japan at least for a year, you would nod at me. Don’t get mad. Know your place. I’m not mocking you. Knowing your exact place is good for broadening your vision. Let me refute all your points one by one. Listen.

1. You said blah blah about your friends from Europe, the Americas. As you said, you heard their stories. It’s not even worth refuting something that’s not your own experience but just in case you forgot about what you said.

2. You studied abroad? Did you go to Detroit or something? You can observe their attitude even from something as mundane as changing lanes. US – “I’m a kind person who can yield for others.” Japan – “Please change lanes all you want as long as you don’t interfere with me.” And Korea? You already know, ke. They drive aggressively. Developed and developing countries aren’t distinguished only by wealth. It starts with manners over trivial things. Do you understand why I can’t agree with you? Can you claim that you’ve never spat on the street in Korea? Maybe you can’t say that without lying, ke.

3. A frog in a well
You’ve simply studied in the US. I don’t think you can see what I can see. Do you know the relationship dynamics of the Japan-US mutual defense pact and Korea-US mutual defense pact? Do you know what posture Japan and the US will take joining the war if such a war broke out on the Korean peninsula? As someone who’s studied politics, economics, management, and philosophy, I can predict to a degree although I can’t be 100% accurate. I may sound presumptuous, but I can see as much as I have studied. I won’t talk any more. You probably think I’m a crazy narcissist, keke.

4. Personal experience
It seems you have problems with me using my personal experience. Just ask those who studied in Japan whether they agree with me. Those who wasted time drinking would not know. Ask those who actually studied there. They will acknowledge a lot of what I said. Just because this is my personal experience, it doesn’t become invalid. Everyone else is sharing the experience. Don’t just call it personal. Please try to understand the social climate I have noticed in the country.

Lastly, you are a fool indeed. There is no end to studying. Although I’m also studying, I have some pride in my position so I can talk like this to you. Honestly, it’s funny that I say all this without proof, but can you be confident that your social position is more stable than mine? Maybe you can’t? As a current student, you are trying to use your knowledge against me but you sound too naïve. Learn more and go abroad on a working holiday visa or for graduate school to broaden your views. I stop here. Don’t write another long comment after you get pissed off by this comment. Just think that you were talking to an idiot.

<(:3:::): [Responding to above]

Kekekekeke….I can definitely see what kind of person you are. I don’t even have to talk any longer. You keep talking about how your own experience is important yet you brush off others’ experience. You were praising Japan’s cleanliness then you jumped to the driving in the US. You just pick whatever you find convenient for your argument. Did you get so touched and cry after you studied those mutual defense pacts? Why even bring that up and boast about how much you’ve studied? You couldn’t even refute what I said about economy and just keep bullshitting that I just have to live in Japan to know, kekekeke. Sigh, I’ve lost words. That is what you call refutation? I was at a loss for words for a while, keke. Your expressions tell me you are aware that you are an idiot. So you live in Japan. Revealing your defensive psychology without pride just resembles what Japs do. It also gives me goosebumps that you are even older than me. Did you go to some no-name graduate school? How nice that you quit, ha.

씨없는부랄김대중: [Responding to 말스]

I get what you mean, but honestly, have you ever seen any decent guys among those who say we should learn from Japan? They either passive aggressively put down Korea while praising Japan, blatantly act like a weeaboo or pretend not to be a weeaboo while deliberately weaving together fragmented facts to claim that “Korean history sucks indeed” to get up-votes here. I’ve seen only those guys. How many young Koreans would think Japan is behind Korea unless they are some idiots from the 486 generation? The door has been open for Japanese culture for more than a decade and weeaboos run amok in Korea now. You may know how much civil awareness has improved in Korea over the past decade. Also, frankly speaking, the pathological cleanliness in Japan is Japan’s own unique trait. I’ve been to the UK, US and Japan. Other countries weren’t as clean as Japan. The cleanliness of Japanese streets is pathological and I don’t mean this in a bad way though.

말스: [Responding to above]

That is the kind I hate the most. Those who look down on Korea while only praising Japan. I wonder how many of them have actually lived in Japan apart from traveling here a bit. Of course, Japan has many down sides, too. However, those are less than Korea’s for sure. What I want for Korea is to reduce those down sides. Korean history is all good except for Joseon. I hate those bastards who mock it, too. My Japanese father-in-law has been on business trips in Korea since the 60s. He says there is a world of difference between then and now in Koreans’ civil awareness. He says he’s surprised to see no smoking zones in Korea now because he remembers the time when people used to take a dump on streets.

Planet:

It is true that they try to instill a sense of pride in their retarded young generation by using Korea. When Japan was at their peak, books critical of Japan sold well there. It just means that they have lost confidence. So we don’t even need to bother caring about it and bash them for it. Just don’t pay attention to them. Korean politicians have been using Japan for their political gain, too. It’s interesting that in Korea there was a time when “Let’s learn from Japan” kind of books were popular and then in the 90s, books like “There is no Japan” sold well.

김태호킬러:

As someone who has lived in Japan, it is funny to even care about this. There are so many different kinds of books in Japan. It’s funny if you think all Japanese care enough to read those books. Korea and China are anti-Japan to the core but anti-Korean trend in Japan is just for business. Nobody cares about Korea.

생각없이산다:

Is there any proof that those books are popular? It seems many commenters here think those books are best sellers, but I couldn’t find them in the current best seller rankings.

타이탄짱이랑:[Responding to above]

That is because most of them were released several months ago.

Anti-Korean books sell well indeed…Two anti-Korean books among the Japanese best sellers”: Japan’s book distributor Tohan released the list of best sellers in 2014 (December 2013 ~ November 2014) on the 1st of this month. In the non-fiction new publication category, Murotani Katsumi’s “Bokanron” (Foolish Korea) ranked first. In the same category, Sincere Lee’s “Shameful Korea: Written by a Korean” ranked 7th. […]

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노퀘스트:

Kekekekeke, it’s really hard to understand them. All over the world, there are so many countries that hate their neighbors. But is there any other country where lowly books that disparage another country like that become best sellers? Kekekeke, this is truly a subject for research.

네셔널리스트:

I’ve felt this before. Truly advanced countries have a lot of domestic critics. In Cheonjo [the United States], their citizens always criticize their own country. Do popular guys go around talking about how popular they are? It’s always those sort of off weirdos who keep talking about how close they are to someone and try hard not to look weak. It’s the same thing. I can see that Japan is very anxious. Have you ever seen Japan being like this in the 80s when they were at their peak?

좆문가납신다:

Apart from earthquake problems, it is true that Japan is among the top countries in the world. Most Korean entrepreneurs who set up companies in the 1960s studied in Japan. Even after 1980s, they learned technology from Japan. Now, we look at Japan’s welfare systems and other examples. The US and Japan saved this country that could’ve stayed backwards because of Heungseon Daewongun and China’s retarded governance.

아케인젤:

Only a few of them were best sellers. The other copycats were published just to ride the wave.

타이탄짱이랑: [Responding to above]

Why do you think they publish such books in droves? Why one after another? Because they sell. Don’t you know this basic principle? Kekekeke, I did say those books were published within a span of 1 year. You Ilbe users get swayed so easily.

An article from the Sankei Shimbun

It’s not just those books. Their internet and other media are like that, too. That’s why they get higher anti-Korean responses in surveys and stuff now. Talk about what you actually know, kekekeke. You Japan apologists make me want to vomit for real.

내닉보면김치자폐:

That has been analyzed by many experts. Japan is going under and they indulge in self-praise because they are anxious. Self-deprecation is in fashion in Korea because we feel relaxed right now. If Korea becomes like Japan, a lot of Koreans will be drinking gukppong, too. Also, Jap country was once the top economy so their nostalgia is no joke.

From Ilbe:

I’m living in Japan because my wife is Japanese

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Hello, Ilbe users. It’s hard work doing Ilbe while scratching your balls. Please understand that I pixeled out my face in the photos. I’m approaching my mid-30s now. I need more than a day if I want to tell my story of meeting my Japanese wife while performing on the street in India and somehow settling in Japan after traveling around the world. When I wrote down our love story to submit it for the spousal visa, it was 120 pages long. Who would want to read it all here? I suddenly wanted to write something about Japan when I was busy traveling around Shinagawa, Saitama, downtown Tokyo, and Yokohama where I live for interviews. I learned a lot about Japan when I was traveling all over Japan with my wife, and today I got lost in thought on my way back home on the train after an interview in Shibuya.

1. The state of roads, sidewalks or social infrastructure

I have visited about 40 countries including Europe, the US, and Australia. I don’t think we can find a country on Earth that has such perfectly paved roads and sidewalks besides Japan. Even if you go to the back alleys, the sidewalks are perfectly laid. Nothing is broken. The roads are maintained on a godly level. I don’t know if they use better technology or the materials are better. Anyway it’s amazing. The boundaries between roads and sidewalks are almost perfectly aligned, too. I think these help Japanese street scenes look nicer. You can find garbage on streets in Japan, too, but the roads are very clean without chewing gum stains except for in downtown areas. Even if there is garbage, it doesn’t look dirty. More interestingly, every city in Japan is like that. I thought only a few cities would be like that when I was in Japan for the first time. But the whole country is perfectly developed.

2. Japanese people’s traits

Japanese people look very weak. There is some unwritten social rule that women can never show their wild side and have to be very feminine. They don’t have that aggressiveness you feel from Korean women. Most of them wear strong pink blush. Men do not show masculinity either. Their hairstyles are very diverse, but they tend to prefer having bangs and style themselves in a feminine way. Their bodies are very thin. I feel they are a little smaller than Korean guys. In their social atmosphere, I don’t think strong-looking guys would be popular. The way they walk also looks weak and fragile. They are also very shy. When we talk, they nod so many times and look shy. Everywhere in their society, ‘reading the atmosphere’ and shyness is pervasive. I concluded that straightforward converation and behavior that were possible in Europe or the US are impossible in Japan. They always talk nicely in front of other people so often it is hard to notice what they really think inside. It also feels like I’m in one big ant society. Like those ants that move calmly and efficiently following rules. They are very submissive to social rules and it invokes the common image of a collectivist country. It seems to be true as I’m living here. They feel very anxious if they go outside the rules. They need manuals to follow. Hence, sometimes, Japan can feel like a prison. Free but not free. Japan can be hellish for those who can’t adapt to this kind of society.

3. Japan’s international recognition and economy

There is a surprising amount of foreigners everywhere in Japan. Most westerners staying in Korea are English teachers, but in Japan, there are many westerners there for business or study. In Myeongdong, there are barely any western tourists. Most of them are Chinese or Southeast Asian tourists. But in Shibuya, there are so many western tourists. People around the world come to Japan to stay or travel for various reasons. I can definitely feel their national brand is a step ahead of Korea’s. Also, no matter where you go, things are big. The size of the downtown in each city is bigger and more splendid than in Korea. I get the impression that their economy is very big because a variety of industries and cultures are fully developed. There are a lot of companies, and I see 4 times more people in suits on the subway than in Korea. If I go to the industrial complex near Kawasaki, the factories are endless.

4. Their perception of Korea

Japanese people basically think Korea is behind them. So they tend to look down on Korea, but due to their culture where they never say bad things in front of you, there are many Koreans who get positive feelings from the Japanese. I could see what they think about Korea a few times when I was traveling. In Bangkok, Thailand, there was a Japanese guy I met. When I told him there is a place to stay named Dongdaemun for Koreans, he said, “That’s why I didn’t go there.” For another example, I was in an interview for newspaper delivery job in Tokyo. My interviewer was an old Japanese man. He suddenly asked, “Will you go back to your country if you get divorced?” Japanese people feel their pride is hurt when they know my wife is Japanese. When I go through customs at Narita airport, they delay things on purpose. (This doesn’t apply to all Koreans.) They would say they ran out of ink and send me to another officer. It’s happened too many times to call it a coincidence. Of course, my passport and visa have no problem. Also, I felt that there is a perception that Koreans work as assisstants in the kitchen, construction workers, cleaners in hotels, deliverymen, or prostitutes in Japan. Of course, not all Japanese people dislike Koreans. I’m just saying there is a social atmosphere like that overall.

5. Aesthetic sense

Their aesthetic is very sophisticated. Even if you look at Japanese pictures from 100 years ago, they avoided wearing primary colors and preferred achromatic colors. It seems to be their racial trait. Residential landscapes and clothes are mostly achromatic. They use primary colors to accentuate things. In some sense, Korean and Chinese street scenes resemble each other in terms of their sign designs and people’s clothes. There are trees along the roads but they have their own trees or gardens that are nicely groomed. They have highly sophisticated designs for electronics, food, characters, toys, architecture, etc. Especially their TV programs look good. Their entertainment shows, documentaries, news, animations, etc. look very polished. When my wife and I were watching Korean TV shows, she asked me if they were from the 80s. When I told her they are from yesterday, she said they look tacky. It seems in her eyes, Korean TV shows don’t look polished. How to put subtitles, use background music, effects, fonts, colors…

In conclusion,
1. Japan’s social infrastructure is better than Europe’s.
2. Both their men and women look weak. I still can’t adapt to this.
3. There are so many foreigners living in Japan.
4. It is true that they look down on Korea. I felt it.
5. Their aesthetic is very sophisticated.
6. However, I am one of those who don’t want to live in Japan the longer I live here. Japanese people who stayed abroad for a long time also say they don’t want to go back to Japan because it’s suffocating. I feel that, too. Japan is suffocating for various reasons. Advanced yet not advanced. This is hard to explain in words. Ah! My wife and I plan to live in the US. We are making money in Japan toward this goal.

Comments from Ilbe:
마이너스통장:

I agree with point 1. The roads and sidewalks are something you can easily see, but Japanese people generally try hard to do their job perfectly. It’s amazing to see how they prepare food at restaurants, too. Maybe that’s why expensive Japanese products are worth it.

삶의현실: [Responding to above]

Yes, that’s true. They are very professional. I had no interest in Japan before I met my wife.

진리추구자: [Responding to above]

What’s certain is that people get attracted to what they are not used to. From our perspective, we would only see Japan’s good things and praise them. But if you live there, you would experience some hardship that you didn’t feel in Korea, too. A Japanese person told me it is mentally very comfortable to live in Korea because he has to walk on eggshells in Japan for everything but he doesn’t have to in Korea, keke.

좌좀척결대한민국:

Voted up because I felt exactly the same things when I lived in Japan. Japanese bastards are fucking good at dissing Koreans passive aggressively. They have internalized it from their parents’ generation. It doesn’t change no matter what. Fucking monkeys. The longer you live there, the more fucked up you feel it is. I worked at a Japanese branch of a brokerage company. Even though it was a decent workplace, I still felt it. The woman I met liked me so much but she passive aggressively looked down on Korea. How should I put it… We definitely loved each other but we still had some distance like we are strangers. That really made me lonely. I understand what you mean very well. I hope you can escape Japan after making lots of money.

삶의현실: [Responding to above]

You know what I feel. I’m happy you understand me. My wife surprised me because when we visited Korea, she was taking photos of trash on the street. It hurt me that she was trying to mock Korea. “I love my husband but I hate Korea.” Something like that. Interestingly, Japanese people are all like that. When I was working at a Japanese café, Japanese ladies who were crazy about Hallyu asked me if I was living in Japan to make money. I felt they were trying to imply Korea is poor.

아재고추섬:

I have lived in Japan longer than you. Their perception about Korea I noticed is quite different from yours. At a job interview, they might naturally ask if you would go back to Korea if you get divorced. I have used the Haneda and Narita airports countless times but I never had any trouble. As for your workplace, I think you are just hanging out with those kind of people. My wife also told me that Korean TV is like Japanese TV in the 80s, ke. Voted up for the overall post.

삶의현실: [Responding to above]

I’m at the bottom of the social barrel in Japan, so I see a lot of candid things. I don’t know if you belong to the mainstream society in Japan, but a perspective from the bottom is also important to look at Japan accurately. However, I don’t think you are wrong. It you think so, it is right for you. Thanks for the comment!

아재고추섬: [Responding to above]

I also began with manual work and after 23 years, I’m a branch manager at a mid-sized company. Much earlier than the half-assed Hallyu boom, I married my wife and I’m a dad of two teens now. There may be various viewpoints, but if you have a stronger will to assimilate into Japan, you will probably look at things differently.

진화하는탈출:

I wouldn’t go to the guest house for Koreans, too. What’s the point of meeting them??? I live in Saitama but I never go to Korea town. You can see it from Chinese people living in Korea, too. Those who mingle with locals and those who only stick to other Chinese are completely different.

야매저격수:

I think Koreans also value the ant society you mentioned. Our country is a democracy but we still have a socialist atmosphere. As a country that had a monarchy 100 years ago, there is strong national pride and people tend to equate the nation to the people. Same in Japan. When their countrymen commit crimes abroad, even if it is personally unrelated to them, they feel apologetic. Maybe Koreans admire Japanese people’s cooperation. Korean society and education value cooperation, too.

쎼르파자켓:

From a Japanese perspective, Korean TV shows look tacky, of course. But for Koreans, Japanese TV shows look too hectic and tacky. Aesthetics? They like achromatic colors? Down voted for this bullshit. I acknowledge that their streets are very clean.

아름다운노무현:

I acknowledge that they became rich after the Korean War and are doing well. But their people are so dumb. There may be some opposing voices against what their political leaders try to do, but that’s it. Nonviolent protests and media reports. It seems they have a culture to be totally submissive to the strong. They are still living in the era of shoguns.

바른생각33:

I think it’s natural for the Japanese to look down on Korea. What do you think? Because it is true that our economic and cultural level is below them. (Of course, Japan has their own problems, but that’s beside the point.) We also looked down on China, but as time passed by and in recent 2 or 3 years, our perception towards China has improved even by little. I guess Japan looks at Korea like that, too. They industrialized 60 or 70 years earlier than Korea, so wouldn’t it be natural for them to look down on Korea? Just like an American would look down on Asians except the Japanese through ‘comparative cognition’. Anyway this was a good read. I can’t quit Ilbe because of posts like this.

까까뉴스:

It doesn’t seem like living in Japan would be that much different from living in Korea. But I envy that they are open about porn and sexual jokes, fuck. Korea is turning into the Republic of Pussies that always go on about discrimination against women.

파장20w: [Responding to above]

It is much more suffocating in Japan. The Japanese aesthetic is like this. “Do not break this sharp beauty in front of you.” It’s like each citizen lives with an AT field around them. It takes lots of courage to invade others’ AT field. So nothing gets broken or damaged. But you have to be fucking careful. Even for public facilities and everything. You can get stressed out. It doesn’t fit our sentiment.

애게인:

You are in your mid 30s but you live like you’re young. It’s cool. You said you traveled a lot. I guess you have lots of money. ㅠㅠ

삶의현실: [Responding to above]

I don’t have money. If I had money, I would be abroad already with my wife. We stay in Japan to make money. It’s true that I live like a younger person. I don’t care about my age. I forget that I’m in my mid 30s. I can’t stop time but I can forget about time. The calendar is just another prison.

노무흐연:

Whenever I watch Japanese TV, I feel it’s tacky. So it’s the opposite. Japanese aesthetic is better than Koreans? It’s hard to agree. Not better but different. When it comes to macroscopic sophistication, I think Korea is better. Japan, the world’s best country for caring about details, is better for details. Anyway personally, it’s hard to feel Japan is overwhelmingly advanced these days. My cousins live in Japan so I visit Japan every season. About 10 years ago, I got a feeling that Japan is overwhelming but I think it’s hard to get such a feeling now. I have visited Kyushu, Kinki, Kanto, Tohoku and most places. Except for the most developed place in each region, I wasn’t very impressed. Korea also has an industrial complex where you see an endless sea of factories. Maybe you don’t realize Korea is more developed than you think. I think it would be a good idea to travel around Korea, too.

죽창앞에모두한방:

I’m a married guy in Kansai. It seems the atmosphere is so different in Tokyo. Osaka bastards are really extroverted and hot-tempered. Kimchi men can fit in better in Kansai.

엣지사는놈호구:

Korea is fucking hell. There is no hope for young people. I want to marry a Japanese woman and enter the self-defense force after getting Japanese citizenship, keke. It’s hard to become a professional soldier in Korea.

삶의현실: [Responding to above]

Japan is too clean and orderly. Living here isn’t that attractive as it seems. There is no open space. Houses and pavement everywhere. Even parks are very artificial with limited green space. It’s hard to find a good place to relax. Go to Australia, Canada or the US instead. Don’t forget English is your biggest lifeline there. Even if you learn Japanese, you can use it only in Japan. No matter how much of a fucking hell you think Korea is, have you visited places like Cambodia? Their problems are serious. Honestly, you guys can complain a lot about Korea because Korea is at a certain level. Korea is a decent country although civil awareness is a bit bad and people are invasive.

ㅆㅅㅌㅊ궤변론자:

Japan has a disciplined society that values rules. Each individual should take responsibility for their part. Craftsmanship and what not. You can see it from their history. People were easily killed or forced to commit suicide if they rubbed the powerful people the wrong way. If they couldn’t do their job well, they would die. So they worked really hard- obsessively compared to other countries. It was inevitable to live in a society that values discipline rather than generosity. A half-assed job meant death.

아버지말씀:

You are at the bottom of Japanese society. What good treatment do you expect? It is not because you are Korean. Why would Japanese people treat a hippie like you nicely?

발기한노짱: [Responding to above]

For real. I work at a design company and I go on business trips to Japan frequently. They treat me so well. Also, although I can speak Japanese, I only use English there. The OP is treated like that because he looks like a hippie. I also go on business trips to Australia. Nobody looks down on you just because you are Asian as long as you speak English well, you idiot.

겨털세가닥:

Some of what you said is right but I’ve also lived in Japan for a short time. More diverse types of people live in Japan. Some of them have lifestyles that can’t be seen in Korea. There is a macho fashion style that accentuates muscles, too. There are a few magazines just for that style. Hip-hop style, gangster style… The 50-kg male style with typical long dyed hair with beggar-like clothes is in fact hard to see. Japan values feminity in women but once there was a female gangster fashion fad with long skirts. You can still see them. They wear a variety of styles and nobody cares about what you wear. There are unimaginably aggresive female characters in Japanese dramas, too, but nobody thinks it’s weird. But it’s true that most women are like “Kawaii~ Kore kore~”

사스가구로다:

My wife is also Japanese, keke. I know what you mean, but I can’t agree with everything you said. They look down on Koreans? I don’t think so. They just look at Koreans as foreigners. I was never discriminated against during customs at the airports. When I had trouble writing my address in kanji, a Japanese officer even wrote it for me. Maybe you have some persecution complex? It depends on the individual but I felt some weird sense of rivalry. This is so undisputably true. Even if they seem to have animosity, Koreans and Japanese treat each other very well individually. To give a better impression, keke. Odd enough, this stems out of some rivalry.

마이크트라웃12:

Japanese look down on Koreans? It’s true that they have a sense of rivalry though. They care about Korean reactions so much.

삶의현실: [Responding to above]

It is true that they care about Korea a lot because Korea is still the country that is the most comparable to Japan in Asia. I visited Taiwan but their social infrastructure and scenes lagged behind Korea’s.

자유주의수호:

Going through 20 years of deflation, Japan abused the drug that is government expenditure. They invested excessively in social infrastructure, but their national debt is on the level of Andromeda. The true purpose of Abenomics is to save their govenment through circulating national debt bombs. Thanks for the info anyway. It seems like you are a cool guy who knows how to enjoy life.

페이지내용:

I agree with you about the Japanese people’s traits. They really inflexibly care about what others think. It is necessary to a degree but it is too much in Japan. The meiwaku (don’t cause trouble to others) culture they are proud of can be so suffocating to foreigners. We envy Japanese traits like that when we see something on the opposite end of the spectrum in Korea. But for example, when we see the parents of a Japanese hostage killed by ISIS apologizes for causing trouble to the nation, it gives us a wake-up call. As you said, Japan seems like a collectivst country. They don’t forgive individuals who go against the majority. Japan’s bullying culture begins from there. Japanese poltics suits such passive citizens. Their courtesy is excessive and the relationships between individuals is insincere. There are many Japanese entertainment shows that are too perverted or sadistic. Maybe they function as a vent for social frustrations. Their culture of caring what other people think is so fucked up. 2CH netouyos always use the same rhetoric against Korea is that ‘Koreans are hated by the world’. I think that says it all. They always care about what others think of them. They project it into their anti-Korean rhetoric. They hate so much to have a bad image in other countries.

삶의현실: [Responding to above]

Sure, that is one factor that makes me want to leave Japan. I don’t like Japan. Ilbe users keep calling me a weeaboo. I just don’t hesitate to say good things about Japan as well as bad things. As I live in Japan, I feel it is a very unique country. It is a mystery that a country like this exists on Earth. It’s like…are they from Mars? It is true that Japan is a collectivist country. Since Japan is a developed country with strong soft power, people don’t see Japan’s down sides well. When Japan suffers economically, bad things will be more pronounced.

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  • korean

    piece of garbage, why would you even refer to ilbe?

    • Ilbe enjoys a lot of popularity, so naturally it shows up on our radar from time to time.

      • bumfromkorea

        You literally get socially destroyed in South Korea when you get “outted” as an Ilbe insect. Celebrities’ careers get seriously damaged when even an accusation that they’re Ilbe users surface. A KBS rookie journalist almost lost his job after he was outted as an Ilbe user, because all of his co-hires and the current KBS journalists demanded that he be fired for being an Ilbe insect.

        Seriously, Koreabang really needs to reconsider posting things from Ilbe. This is the same group of people who called Sewol victims “fish cakes” because drown victims would have bloated, wrinkly skins resembling fish cakes… Two days after the actual accident occurred.

        Considering the size of Ilbe membership, this is like posting stuff from Stormfront.org as part of the “popular” discussion in America.

        • Xman2014

          They didn’t sound anything like stormfront to me. On the whole, I thought their views on Japan were very balanced, and nothing like racist. Instead, more of them praised Japan, and talked more shit about Korea, recognizing their own faults. If they were like Stormfront, it would have been the other way around, with more of them saying Koreans superior, Japanese inferior. The Japanese sites like Yahoo Japan and 2ch, do sound like stormfront to me though.

          • lonetrey / Dan

            Huh. So, Ilbe was being realistic?

            … i don’t know what to think anymore. I just can’t really place Ilbe and Korea on a scale anymore,

          • terriblemovie

            Ilbe has a large number of pro right wing, pro Japanese members. If the internet existed in the early 1900s, Illbe users would be the treasonous pro Japanese collaborators.

            They are considered the scum of the earth by Koreans. Their is nothing reasonable about their comments.

          • Alex _

            No, you fucking moron. Ilbe users made very reasonable comments, when the praise Japan. They know that Japan is still ahead of everything that Korea has, so they respect it.

          • terriblemovie

            No you fucking moron. Illbe users are the black sheep of Korean comments. They are literally internet trolls who instigate people. They celebrated the drowning of Korean children and praise dictatorships as righteous. You wouldn’t know since you’re some dumb shit on their level.

          • Alex _

            No, you fucking retard. The Korean people who commented on this thread, seemed to know Japan well, they had the experience. Thus, they correctly concluded that Japan is superior to Korea.

          • terriblemovie

            They don’t have experience you moron. Do you not know what internet trolls are? You’re literally the dumbest piece of shit I know. If the people of ilbe could read the crap you write, they would probably laugh at you because you’re taking them seriously. You’re being played and you’re too stupid to realize this.

            tard

          • Alex _

            Yes, they fucking DO. Several people on this thread have lived in Japan, and thus were surprises how superior it was to Korea. You are a dumb fucking retard, face the facts.

          • terriblemovie

            No you daft moron. You don’t seem to understand what a internet troll is. Not surprising considering your two digit IQ.

          • Alex _

            Yes, you fucking retard, they do know what they are talking about, and they are not trolls.

          • terriblemovie

            Lol a dumbshit like you is too stupid to realize that the jokes on you.

          • Alex _

            No, the joke is on you, you pathetic dumbfuck. Koreans know that they are allways behind Japan.

          • terriblemovie

            Alex the monkey doesn’t think hes a monkey when everyone knows hes nothing but a low IQ monkey. You’re being played like the simpleton monkey that you are.

          • Alex _

            No, the Korean monkey doesn’t think he is the monkey, when his Korean friends know better, and treat Japan with respect.

          • Sharon Kim

            Ilbe in Korea is widely known as a website where Japanese nationalists use fake Korean accounts to praise their country and where Korean trolls linger around.
            Although Korea respects Japan for some of their qualities, Korea does not really care about Japan, nor do they have any strong feelings against them.
            Japan isn’t more “superior” than Korea. In the Human Development Index, Korea ranked 17th, and Japan ranked 20th. In the Bloomberg Innovation Index, Korea ranked 1st and I forgot where Japan ranked. Samsung and LG has taken over Sony and Sharp’s spot. Sharp is so weak that the company was sold to Taiwan LOL.
            Although Japan’s economy is still larger than Korea’s, Korea has a quite large economy, ranking 10th in the world. I don’t understand why you are so angry against Korea and Koreans but oh wells.

          • Alex _

            Its not 10th, its 13th. And its still minuscule compared to Japanese. Japan is vastly superior to Korea. Korea did not invented anything, and had it not been for Japan Korea would have forever been a shithole.

            Korea have not invented a single thing.

      • terriblemovie

        Remember when Illbe organized a pizza feast in order to mock the families of the sewol tragedy?

        http://www.koreabang.com/2014/stories/against-special-sewol-law-ilbe-stages-food-binge-strike.html

        Illbe is infamous rather than famous.

        • jgs

          As much as I hate Ilbe, there aren’t many Korean websites which would talk about something like this. Most Korean websites are only interested in Anime, Japanese food, comfort women, dokdo, and k idols in Japan and that’s pretty much it.

    • guest

      Again, this obsession with Ilbe. What is it with so many Koreans and having a raging hatred over the fact that there is a site that has people with conflicting opinions to yours? Sure, they may make crass comments, but if you look at what is actually being said, as is shown here, it can actually be quite reasonable and balanced.

      What’s more important, the ability to be able to express yourself, even if the comments are not strictly socially acceptable, or somebody’s feelings getting hurt, and trying to then ruin their life over what the said on a website, or ruin them just because they even post there?

      • Small twon

        1. Stop hiding behind guest, use your actual ID !
        2. That place (Ilbe) is a biggest disgrace to Korea. It’s worse than American stormfront (or fox news)

        Ilbe’ full of lie, misinformation and they manipulate their user accounting to appear to have a hingher number of users.

        • John Smith

          typical extreme left wing trash nolifer with lack of logic, raging hard.

          why don’t just go lurk in north korea or communist china?

          lel

    • Hwang Dongseong

      beside haters claim, this article is really well written and educational. I understand status of Japan a lot.
      I know ilbe committed many bad things but I don’t want to lose this kind of articles. Could you point out where can I read something like this except for ilbe?

  • Forest2014

    There you go again. KB /JC/CS are not doing ok and need more clicks to post hates for their ad revenues? I thought Koreans don’t even care about Japan and Japanese any longer as per by Wrle or Chucky etc

    • Chucky3176

      You obviously did not read all the Korean netizen comments. Go back and read the comments. I see way more defending of Japan, and did not see nearly as much harsh words towards Japan, as you would usually see in all the Japanese forums towards Koreans. I saw lot of comments wondering “why they hate us so much with publishing so much materials, when we don’t care about them as much as they care about us?” type of comments.
      You just can’t deny this undeniable fact. In Korea, there are way more diverse personal opinions, than compared to Japan. This was an excellent translation piece done by the author, which gives you a good look at what Koreans feel towards Japan.

      • Forest2014

        There you are. I meant you and your ilks in this forum.

        • Chucky3176

          I know what you meant. I’m asking you, how does this even disprove my opinions? The K-netizen comments are just repeating what I’ve been saying.

      • Forest2014

        But it is funny that I see benigner opinions toward Japan in ilbe insects(as per bumfromkorea ) than JC and KB

    • Chucky3176

      As shown above in this article, this display (see below) of Korean translated Japanese articles on every kind of bad news about Korea that you can ever think of, really is bordering on obsessive sickness, don’t you agree?

      http://i1.wp.com/www.koreabang.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Japanese-website-3.jpg?zoom=1.5&resize=600%2C515

      • Forest2014

        Well, we might be about twice as obsessive as you are cuz we have about twice as much population. To me, what you call obsessive sickness really showed up about a few years ago, which is coincident with last year of Lee Myung-bak presidency and with aggresive propaganda activities overseas by the Korean Council for the Women Darfted for Military Sexual Slavery by Japan.
        Those quoted in the columns as reasons i.e. Japanese dull economy, Japanese became anxious or jealous about the rise of Korea seem adventitious factors. So what happened for last couple of years? Let’s see…. Oh Yes

        • Chucky3176

          First off, these articles were translated into Japanese Yahoo. news. LOL. And we don’t have to guess too hard what 99% of the Japanese responses were, do we?

          Japan’s population over 2.6 times South Korea’s 48 million It’s unnatural for Japan, a much bigger country with a far bigger economy to hate obsessive to this degree. The other prescedant that’s similar to this, is Nazi Germany blaming all their problems on the Jews.

          Japan’s obsessive sickness didn’t only show up last couple of years. It began long before that. Not to mention that the racist comic book “Kenkanryu” (“anti-Korean wave”) which sold millions of copies over night was written in 2004 and it made waves for years after that. .

          And your:

          “aggresive propaganda activities overseas by the Korean Council for the Women Darfted for Military Sexual Slavery by Japan”

          That kind of typical Japanese attitude is exactly what makes Koreans harden towards Japan. Korea’s bad feelings towards Japan (as a country or entity) are mostly due to historical disputes and your politicians. Other then that, most Koreans have no special negative feelings towards individual Japanese people – far from the propaganda that your media’s are engaging in currently.

      • Forest2014

        Well Chucky, I am not here to exchange hates with you tonight.
        I sincerely think Japanese and Koreans have so much common and to share between us. But yes, I say, more and more Japanese people might have started thinking Korea would never forgive Japan even if Abe, getting down on his knees, become Willy Brandt, which ain’t gonna happen anyway. Some Japanese clearly go beyond just Korean Fatigue breaking through the roof.

        ps: I still watch K-drama and trying to learn korean lanuage.
        goodnight

      • Small twon

        I think , I am not sure, but this site is translated by google translator.

      • guest

        How many times a day do you think about Japan piggy? 800, 900?

        • troll harder

          come on… you need to troll harder that if you want to build any street cred here… piggy… lol

    • Pfff, y’all are lucky you’re still getting translated comments. Over at CS they’re doing bullshit ‘digests’ with no translated comments at all anymore.

      • Forest2014

        What is really wrong with CS? Don’t you know?
        Is it finally censord by the party?

        • Pretty sure it’s nothing so conspiratorial. I think the site is in its death throes since it’s lost income/sponsorship and I think Fauna might just be getting tired of the burden after all these years.

          • Forest2014

            I see. Thanks for your info

  • terriblemovie

    Most Koreans don’t give two shits about Japan. Japan on the other hand foams at the mouth like a crazed stalker whenever Korea is mentioned. Gasengi gets 50 comments which results in crazed Japanese whining about how Koreans are mean and anti Japanese by creating threads with 5000 anti Korean comments.

    Why are they so obsessed with Koreans? Koreans don’t like Taiwan but we don’t obsess over them or even acknowledge their existence. Japan is like a jealous ex lover who won’t leave us alone.

    PS, i’d like to see a non ilbe reaction. Illbe is popular not because people agree with them but because they’re viewed as clowns. I go there for laughs, even though I completely disagree with the majority of their political stances.

    • Barry Horgon

      I dont know about that. Of course Koreans arent going around in their daily life and ranting about Japan. But if the subject comes up, it doesnt take much for the hatred to show through. I have learnt to just avoid the subject altogether. It’s too much hassle. Or I just nod and agree. I used to live in Japan, so when I first came to Korea a lot of Koreans would ask me what Japnese thought about Koreans, I gave the honest answer of “I never heard Koreans mentioned by a Japnese person, beyond liking your dramas”.
      That didnt go over too well. My boss called me a liar and said all Japanese people hate Koreans.
      We had 돈까스 at a staff lunch and one woman co-worker asked if I had eaten it before. I said “Yeah Don Katsu is really common in Japan”. Her face dropped and said “This is Korean food! Not Japanese! They copied our food blah blah”. I was shocked and surprised. This all happened in my first week in country. It wasnt as though I was bringing up dicey topics like comfort women or dokdo. I was being asked seemingly benign questions and then being slammed if i said anything that wasnt entriely anti-japan/pro Korea.
      I could list another 50 similar incidents, but lets just say, many Koreans have a burning bitterness about Japan, and should the oppurtunity arise they wont lose a chance to spout some rubbish about the country.

      And before i get accused of being a Pro-japan whatever, i lived their for two years. I found most Japanese to be pretty cool. They did say a lot of racist shit about China though. That seemed to be their main focus/worry internationally. I heard all sorts of comments about Chinese that made me cringe “All Chinese are dirty. They steal. They smell”.
      I also didnt appreciate the far right idiots in their black buses blaring their facist songs outside my places of employment. But most Japnese feel deeply embarrassed about them.

      I never heard a single negative word spoken about Korea/Koreans in 2 years. Pleanty negative about China. Nothing on Korea.

      • K-Guy

        Cool story bro. Except everyone in Korea knows don katsu is Japanese food.

        https://mirror.enha.kr/wiki/%EB%8F%88%EA%B0%80%EC%8A%A4

        • Barry Horgon

          Well obviously not everyone, because I met someone who didnt. And i’d say the same thing about kimbop. How many Koreans would admit that kimbop is just the same as Japnese sushi roll with a few ingredients swapped out? No! It’s different. It’s uniquely Korean!
          In personal experience Koreans often know shockingly little about this kind of stuff.

          • K-Guy

            So you really think pork cutlet is “Japanese food”? LOL.

            So when did Japan invent pork steaks fried in bread crumbs?

            Next you’re going to tell me curry rice is Japanese too.

          • bumfromkorea

            Well, The “curry rice” Koreans eat in Korea (not the ones in Indian restaurants, obviously) is Japanese. Don-katsu is Japanese as much as Budae-Jjigae (with its Spam and sausages) is Korean.

          • Barry Horgon

            No. I have no idea where pork cutlet is from. Is it from anywhere? Its pork with breadcrumbs on it.
            And that’s my point….
            Why would someone get angry and berate me about something like that? That kind of anger comes from somewhere deep seated. It’s hard to understand.
            But seeing you and the other guy bumfromkorea get kind of defensive over this, I see its beyond my ability to reason.

          • bumfromkorea

            If you think Kimbap is the same as sushi with a few ingredients swapped out, you either haven’t eaten kimbap or sushi (or neither) – and be completely unfamiliar with the history of sushi in Korea. You might as well start arguing that haemultang is the same as bouillabaisse with a few ingredients swapped out. Yes. It is indeed different. And it is uniquely Korean.

            Even without the knowledge of how kimbap or sushi tastes, and without the knowledge of history of popularity of sushi in Korea, it’s not that hard to imagine two countries practically in the same area with identical climates developing similar food forms based on common ingredients (laver, rice, and… well, those two are the common ingredients between the two) native to both countries. Hence, Miso/Dwenjang, Natto/Chunggookjang, RICE, haemulpajun/okonomiyaki, etc. etc. etc.

            And there are more than enough “Original Japanese donkatsu” places in Korea to definitely refute your claim supported by your incredibly limited observation of the Korean society.

          • Barry Horgon

            Well this one I do know, after getting into an unintended argument with a university student. I was showing a ppt slideshow of world foods and they had to identify which country they associated with each food, for example, pizza-italy, sausage-germany. We came to a sushi roll, some said Japan, some said Korea. One guy got indignant and claimed kimbap came before sushi and he got quite firey. The last thing i wanted to do is start an international incident over powerpoint slide show so i just pretended i didnt know and nodded and smiled. Checked online after class and found
            “Gimbap was derived from the Japanese futomaki (makizushi) during Japanese rule of Korea 1910-1945”
            So it basically only has less then 100 year history in Korea, in the form we imagine it nowadays. Again, this isnt really something i think is important, but getting people getting angry at me, and you all defensive, kind of proves my original point.

          • bumfromkorea

            “anecdote”
            “Wikipedia quote”
            “Ha, you’re defensive, so I’m right”

            -_-…

          • bumfromkorea

            I should rephrase that. Maybe you misunderstood my point.

            Kimbap is indeed derived out of the Japanese makizushi. Its appearance in 1950s suggest that this is true. But to argue that ” kimbap is just the same as Japnese sushi roll with a few ingredients swapped out” is as stupid as claiming that Donkatsu is not Japanese because it’s derivative of western cuisine or claiming that curry rice (Japanese version) is not Japanese because it’s derivative of Indian food. (more examples include budae jiggae, croquette, or practically any food in Korean cuisine with red pepper in it).

            Eat kimbap sometimes. It tastes wildly different from sushi. Or take it to Jiro and see whether he would consider it a sushi or not.

          • Barry Horgon

            Dude. Its pretty hard to live in Korea for 3 years and not eat kimbap. I eat it at least once a week. But thanks for the suggestion. Of course its different. Like American and Italain pizza. But to deny any link, as some have done with me, then you are entering denial country.

            Anyway, this is all running off topic. Im just saying it surprised me the way people reacted to pretty, regular run of the mill, mundane topics about food and Japan. It surprised me.My original post was about my experience (yes, anecdotal) in both countries after living and working in both long term. Japanese, by in large, didnt mention Korea. In Korea, Japan is bought up often, and if you make the mistake of venturing into certain choppy waters, or completely normal topics even, some Koreans will make a point of shitting on Japan.

          • bumfromkorea

            It’s a LOT more different than between American and Italian pizza (who share more than 2 ingredients and form). A much better comparison would be Karae-rice vs. curry.

            It’s not just about “food and Japan”. This is all part of the unresolved historic conflict between Korea and Japan. Food is an intimate part of culture, and one of the standard argument that the Rising-Sun-Flag waving Japanese makes is that the Empire of Japan improved the lives of Koreans by “taking good care” of Korea (and that they should be grateful for it instead of being mad about it). Talking about how something as ubiquitous as Kimbap is “actually Japanese” touches that very nerve.

            I can’t speak for your experience. All I know is that, in the face of objective facts, including election results (or rather, re-election results…) and the associated politicians’ behavior and policy stances, your experience cannot be considered as more than a outlying dot on the overwhelming trend graph.

          • Barry Horgon

            Yes. You make some good points. Though i stick by my original assertion. I’m out. Peace.

          • Guest

            Miso is indeed different than doenjang (old cultural diffusion). Kimbap is a maki roll with subpar ingredients. Haemulpajun is also clearly Japanese-inspired as well. (probably most of the fried stuff in Korea is). The rest are just similar climates, cultures, old cultural diffusion.

      • pawikirogii

        one of the things we hear from western migrants in japan is that the japanese don’t ever think about koreans but i have to wonder if the westerner thinks this because he doesn’t speak japanese. i went to yahoo japan today and i’m rather shocked at how many articles are about korea. the japanese may not talk to the western migrant about korea or koreans but they most certainly talk about the place and it’s people amongst themselves. man!

        http://news.yahoo.co.jp/ranking/access?ty=t

        on the flip side, here’s the most popular articles at naver’s WORLD SECTION (AND NOT THE FRONT PAGE). there are about 3 articles about japan. that pales in comparison with the japanese front page ranks. look at the yahoo sidebar, the top 4 most commented articles are about korea.

        http://news.naver.com/main/ranking/popularDay.nhn?rankingType=popular_day&sectionId=104&date=20150425

        the rankings are true as of this writing and will change based on the length of time that has passed.

        • pawikirogii

          i just went to yahoo japan’s world section and i’m shocked. the place if filled with articles about korea. the western migrant’s inabiltiy to speak japanese makes him comfortable in saying that the japanese don’t talk about koreans and never think about them. uh, yes, they do. btw, to help the westerner out, here’s the chinese characters for korea:

          韓国

          • guest

            You’ve never set foot in Japan or Korea. You’ve never had a conversation with a Japanese or a Korean, you are unable to read Japanese or Korean.

          • pawikirogii

            wrong, wrong, and wrong. no personal attacks, please. show what i wrote is wrong. the japanese are obsessed with korea as evidenced by the massive amount of coverage in their newpapers. korean ones don’t have such an intense focus on japan. sorry.

          • Vasilios81

            It may be partially true, but the fact is that Japanese rarely discuss Korea. Some people are fans of Korean music, dramas though. A fringe part of the public have been catered to with nationalistic rhetoric in the past few years, but it really is nothing compared to the indoctrination that is apparent to even Western foreigners who cannot speak Korean.

          • Realist

            Be kind to pawi, he’s mentally subnormal and therefore gets angry at facts. He gets mocked for his pisspoor Korean on TMH all the time and his English is shit too. Somehow he expects us to believe he’s mastered Japanese and its complex writing system in a few weeks. TBF the shithole that is pawis life should remind us that being bi-cultural is well overrated…..growing up without a native language has left pawis brain in the same kind of mushy state that one usually expects from feotal alcohol syndrome.

          • Small twon

            I checked what pawi said ,well I was quite surprised ! Seriously ? entire global news section is full of “we hate Korea” news and if I might add full of quite nasty comments.
            edit :please, stop hiding behind guest id. Whatever pawi’s short coming, he is not afraid to show who he is and if you can know Korean, Japanese is not that difficult, plus google translator works really well between Japanese to Korean or Korean to Japanese.

          • pawikirogii

            but they do like to read about them, don’t they? it ain’t no fringe. sorry.

          • pawikirogii

            btw, i just went to yahoo japan news and then clicked the rankings for most popular articles. once again, the top news articles are filled with korea related topics. it ain’t just the fringe. sorry.

        • Stranger

          Ever had a girlfriend or a real job? No didn’t think so. Maybe if you stopped being so obsessed with Japan and applied yourself better it’s not too late to make something out of your life.

          Good luck!

    • Small twon

      what do you mean Koreans don’t like Taiwan ? We like Taiwan. Especally younger ones really like Taiwan.- yes we know Korea is not exactly popular over there but it doesn’t matter much to average Kim in Korea.

      • Barry Horgon

        Yeah, I’d agree with this. I’ve never heard anything negative spoken about Taiwan by a Korean. It’s not as though Koreans are shy about giving their opinion. Come to think about it I dont think I have even heard a Korean refer to Taiwan, beyond mentioning going there on a business trip or hiliday or something.

        • Siam

          Tropical weather, elephants, hot spicy food, beaches, and close proximity to Vietnam and Cambodia, what’s not to like?

      • terriblemovie

        Most Koreans either don’t care about Taiwan or don’t like them.

        The majority probably can’t tell the difference between Taiwan, Thailand and Taichi.

        • Barry Horgon

          I think it’s just you that doesn’t like Taiwan.

    • guest

      You’ve obviously never been to Korea. Koreans are obsessed with Japan. Anti Japanese marches happen daily with elementary school aged children being forced to attend, politicians must make anti-Japanese statements all the time. Koreans who are brave enough to drive a Honda or use a Canon risk being assaulted in the street.

      In contrast 95% of Japanese are indifferent towards Korea.

      • Looney Toons

        That sounds like Japan (minus the cars since Japanese don’t buy Korean cars), not Korea

        • guest

          Why on earth would they buy Korean cars when their domestic cars are better?

          • Looney Tunes

            Since radiation has gotten to your heads, read the funny books published daily in Japan. This stuff is classic. “Thank You for Fighting For US Japan!” ha ha ha…

            1. JAPAN CLASS – Collection of foreign reactions from Japan’s voyeurism sites. The reviews are divided. I think it’s a bit funny that even a book like this is published in the first place.
            2. The US and China’s Arrogance and Lies
            3. Anti-Japanese Korea’s Self-Destruction Has Begun
            4. There is No Future for Anti-Japanese Korea
            5. Japan, Respected by the World
            6. Shameful Korea Written by a Korean
            7. The Birth of Asian Hegemon Japan
            8. Evil Korea
            9. Tried Living in the UK, Japan, France and America: Japan was the best place for me.
            10. Japan is Nearly a Utopia From a UK Perspective
            11. I Have Lived in Europe. Japan wins by 9 to 1.
            But this book’s review isn’t very good among the books of this kind. It got mostly one or two stars. Several five stars given by right-wing netizens.
            12. Why Muslims Respect Japan.
            13. Thank You for Fighting for Us, Japan. Japan Praised by Asia
            14. True Reasons This Briton Living in Japan Does Not Return to the UK
            15. China: Defeated by Japan and Ostracized by the World
            16. Japan is Ahead of the UK by 50 Years
            17. Why is Japan Beloved by Asian Countries?
            18. Big Lies of Anti-Japanese History that Curses Japan
            19. Japan’s War; It Was Righteous: The Facts China and Korea Want to Hide
            20. American Occupation that Prevented Japan from Rising up Again
            21. The Japanese: Why are we so different from the Chinese and Koreans?
            22. 33 things that Japan Can Show off to the World
            23. Why is Japan Respected by the World?
            24. The Japanese are Fundamentally Different from the Chinese and Koreans.
            25. Chinese and Koreans’ dark heart that forgot Japan’s generosity
            26. True Nature of the Chinese Unknown to the Japanese
            27. I want to become Japanese: Japanese People from the Perspective of 27 European Countries
            28. Japan Becomes Like This After China Collapses
            29. The Era of China has Ended
            30. The World Has Begun Abandoning China and Korea: The state of Growing Anti-Chinese and Korean Sentiment
            31. The World Admires Japan and Its Emperor
            32. Abandon This Country: The Madness and Weirdness of Koreans

          • antman1

            why on earth would anyone in the world buy korean cars when japanese cars are better? But they do. Just not Japan. Face it. Japanese only buy things NOT from korea, for some reason, even when it is better, because doing so will be considered treason

      • wrle

        You must be living in an alternate world.

    • antman1

      Just stop

  • New Delhi

    This to me looks like Japan is flirting with thoughts of fascism again. This is some serious hate and racism central in Japan, when top selling books selling in their books stores, rank from numbers 1 to 32 deals, with superiority of Japanese and inferiority of the others:

    1. JAPAN CLASS – Collection of foreign reactions from Japan’s voyeurism sites. The reviews are divided. I think it’s a bit funny that even a book like this is published in the first place.
    2. The US and China’s Arrogance and Lies
    3. Anti-Japanese Korea’s Self-Destruction Has Begun
    4. There is No Future for Anti-Japanese Korea
    5. Japan, Respected by the World
    6. Shameful Korea Written by a Korean
    7. The Birth of Asian Hegemon Japan
    8. Evil Korea
    9. Tried Living in the UK, Japan, France and America: Japan was the best place for me.
    10. Japan is Nearly a Utopia From a UK Perspective
    11. I Have Lived in Europe. Japan wins by 9 to 1.
    But this book’s review isn’t very good among the books of this kind. It got mostly one or two stars. Several five stars given by right-wing netizens.
    12. Why Muslims Respect Japan.
    13. Thank You for Fighting for Us, Japan. Japan Praised by Asia
    14. True Reasons This Briton Living in Japan Does Not Return to the UK
    15. China: Defeated by Japan and Ostracized by the World
    16. Japan is Ahead of the UK by 50 Years
    17. Why is Japan Beloved by Asian Countries?
    18. Big Lies of Anti-Japanese History that Curses Japan
    19. Japan’s War; It Was Righteous: The Facts China and Korea Want to Hide
    20. American Occupation that Prevented Japan from Rising up Again
    21. The Japanese: Why are we so different from the Chinese and Koreans?
    22. 33 things that Japan Can Show off to the World
    23. Why is Japan Respected by the World?
    24. The Japanese are Fundamentally Different from the Chinese and Koreans.
    25. Chinese and Koreans’ dark heart that forgot Japan’s generosity
    26. True Nature of the Chinese Unknown to the Japanese
    27. I want to become Japanese: Japanese People from the Perspective of 27 European Countries
    28. Japan Becomes Like This After China Collapses
    29. The Era of China has Ended
    30. The World Has Begun Abandoning China and Korea: The state of Growing Anti-Chinese and Korean Sentiment
    31. The World Admires Japan and Its Emperor
    32. Abandon This Country: The Madness and Weirdness of Koreans

  • Matt

    This is a seriously fantastic write-up. Incredibly thoughtful and well-written. Thank you, jay.h, for your translating work. And thank you, koreabang, for not going the chinasmack route. I still don’t understand what’s going on there…

  • zachary T

    may I start using the phrase ” nationalism-meth”? it works on so many levels

  • Jim di Griz

    If Japan is such a racist hole and Korea is paradise on earth, why do so many South Korean women move to Japan to work in the ‘entertainment industry’?

    • Looney Tunes

      Because there is a market of whore mongering Japanese men in that racist hole? I don’t know you tell us, you know more about this anybody.

  • jerseyboy

    It’s funny to see the cowardly spastics from koreansentry and marmots hole claim they don’t care about Japan when both sites mention Japan far more than Korea these days.

    • Looney Tunes

      Where’s your proof? Here’s proof radiation has gotten to Japanese heads.

      http://i0.wp.com/www.koreabang.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/japanese-book-2.jpg?zoom=1.5&resize=600%2C648

      1. JAPAN CLASS – Collection of foreign reactions from Japan’s voyeurism sites. The reviews are divided. I think it’s a bit funny that even a book like this is published in the first place.
      2. The US and China’s Arrogance and Lies
      3. Anti-Japanese Korea’s Self-Destruction Has Begun
      4. There is No Future for Anti-Japanese Korea
      5. Japan, Respected by the World
      6. Shameful Korea Written by a Korean
      7. The Birth of Asian Hegemon Japan
      8. Evil Korea
      9. Tried Living in the UK, Japan, France and America: Japan was the best place for me.
      10. Japan is Nearly a Utopia From a UK Perspective
      11. I Have Lived in Europe. Japan wins by 9 to 1.
      But this book’s review isn’t very good among the books of this kind. It got mostly one or two stars. Several five stars given by right-wing netizens.
      12. Why Muslims Respect Japan.
      13. Thank You for Fighting for Us, Japan. Japan Praised by Asia
      14. True Reasons This Briton Living in Japan Does Not Return to the UK
      15. China: Defeated by Japan and Ostracized by the World
      16. Japan is Ahead of the UK by 50 Years
      17. Why is Japan Beloved by Asian Countries?
      18. Big Lies of Anti-Japanese History that Curses Japan
      19. Japan’s War; It Was Righteous: The Facts China and Korea Want to Hide
      20. American Occupation that Prevented Japan from Rising up Again
      21. The Japanese: Why are we so different from the Chinese and Koreans?
      22. 33 things that Japan Can Show off to the World
      23. Why is Japan Respected by the World?
      24. The Japanese are Fundamentally Different from the Chinese and Koreans.
      25. Chinese and Koreans’ dark heart that forgot Japan’s generosity
      26. True Nature of the Chinese Unknown to the Japanese
      27. I want to become Japanese: Japanese People from the Perspective of 27 European Countries
      28. Japan Becomes Like This After China Collapses
      29. The Era of China has Ended
      30. The World Has Begun Abandoning China and Korea: The state of Growing Anti-Chinese and Korean Sentiment
      31. The World Admires Japan and Its Emperor
      32. Abandon This Country: The Madness and Weirdness of Koreans

    • terriblemovie

      Quit telling lies. The proof is in the pudding for the entire world to see.

      Koreans don’t care about Japan. We have no interest in Japanese culture or technology or anything. Japan on the other hand is freakin obsessed like a crazed stalker whenever Koreans are mentioned. Yahoo Japans and 2ch Korean articles get tens of thousands of comments compared to gasengi getting 50.

      Not to mention all those books that are published and reach best seller status. Why so obsessed Japan? Get a life.

      • growupkoreans

        So the anti Japan movie that became the highest grossing Korean film of all time was a lie? It never happened?
        And the attempted murder of the Japanese ambassador was all 2-chan netizens making it up. Along with the suspended sentence (although that one backfired on you guys later on!).
        The fact that Park’s foreign policy has turned Korea into a de facto Chinese colony just to avoid being seen as pro Japanese is all figments of our imagination.
        “But the internets” you can sob “they say nasty words on the internets”. There is a world outside of the internet, try living in it sometime.

        • wrle

          So which “anti Japan” movie is it you are talking about? Don’t bag out the relationship between south korea and china, just just because japan’s government is incapable of getting along with any of its neighbors. Getting rid of some of that ignorance and hatred like you are showing might be helpful.

          • ROKsucksPRC

            You don’t find it hypocritical? Most of Korean hatred towards Japan comes from historical issues (or so you claim, I’d say envy is more likely) yet all Japanese aggression against Korea ended 70 years ago.

            However the PLA murdered thousands of South Koreans in the 50s and now you suck their cock.

            The PRC is responsible for proping up the murderous Kim dynasty in Pyongyang since the USSR fell, meaning Korean men have to scarifice their youth for their military service (meaning you had to cowardly throw your Korean passport in the garbage) yet you still suck Chinese cock.

            The South Korean province of the Peoples Republic of China; Offended by everything ashamed of nothing.

          • wrle

            “Most of korean hatred towards japan Comes from historical issues” correction. The animosity largely pertains to the current historical distortions by the japanese government such as the comfort women denial. Not actually about the past or present day japanese citizens.

            Envy? As mentioned here by others, japan doesn’t really register with most koreans in everyday life. It seems like you and alot of japanese netizens have a very disorted view on japans clout in korea. I Would say its quite the opposite which might explain why the japanese feed off negativity as comfort as they “lag behind” korea and the rest of emerging asia. Japan which used to be the only major advanced economy in asia cant take the heat from a country that is less than half its size and have resorted to obsessively bagging out their south korean competitor. South korea had already surpassed japan in many areas as you would know while japan is in decline.

            And a great example you mentioned with korean war, regardless china and south korea firing at each other 60 years ago they were able to overcome their differences over the years through diplomacy to improve ties and have narrowed the gap on north korea. Japan needs to do their part too which may be difficult with the current attitude but perfectly capable of.

            I dont know why you are so obsessed with sucking male gentials from the PRC, but i can definitely tell you I never have nor most koreans.

          • PRCprovinceofKorea

            Interested to know the “many areas” South Korea has surpassed Japan in. I can think of one cell phone and a teeny boop music industry. Good luck basing an economy around that! With reflection I would buy a Korean phone and maybe a Korean TV over a Japanese one but cars, bikes, pcs, whitegoods, banking, medicines, food produce….erm Japanese all the way.

            BTW unlike you I’ve been to Korea and know the Koreans are creepily obsessed with Japan.

            Now the funniest thing you wrote about the Korea-China love in.

            “china and south korea firing at each other 60 years ago they were able to overcome their differences over the years through diplomacy to improve ties and have narrowed the gap on north korea.”

            Fucking brilliant comedy!

            Did China apologize for killing thousands of Koreans and dividing the country…..NO.

            Has China ever made any gesture of atonement….NO (in fact they are still the biggest supporters of the greatest threat to South Korean national security).

            Has China ever paid any compensation to Korea for its suffering…………NO.

            Did China build one piece of the infrastructure that helped Korea develop……..NO.

            Did China contribute in any way to the post war nation building that allowed Korea to become a 1st world country (economically if not socially)….NO.

            In fact Japan (who can answer YES to all the above questions) were Korea’s buddys until about 20 years ago when Japans star started to fade and China’s started to rise and like a kid bored of its old toy South Korea decided to throw the old one away and hook up with its new sugar daddy.

            Which was a massive mistake.

            Now you have Chinese stealing all your fish, buying all your land, forcing you off your islands. The USA (the only country that cares about you not becoming a Stalinist slave camp) is suspicious of you, Chinese firms have stolen all your technology which will mean the likes of Samsung will fade as fast as they’ve risen.

            And what does the ROK get for selling her soul?

            Nothing. China’s already peaked, double digit growth is over and i will continue to decline, Korea was a convinient toy for them to bait USA/Japan with. But now China has to fight for growth they will regard Korea as a rival.

            Meanwhile as China implodes in the next few years the USA/Japan/Australia/ASEAN alliance in the Asia-Pacific area will go from strength to strength. When Korea comes crawling back, begging to rejoin it will be allowed under strict conditions.

          • wrle

            I have lived in both korea and japan so I am speaking from experience. South korea and japan were never really “buddies”. They are loosely aligned because of the US but south korea’s fundamental security alliance is based on US and other first world nations while china as its largest trade partner. Like i said japan is not of significant relavance to south korea. Its an attitude problem with japanese government and lack of effort in building mutual respect. Bagging out your competitor does not make you better. japan is in decline, the economic growth is flat, debt is high and the population is shrinking every year. Everything that koreans dont want for their country.

          • Forest2014

            “The korean war was a war. China nor does russia have to compensate. Its a completely different situation to the japanese colonization and war attrocities commited by the japanese military…”
            Boy.. You literally killed each other your fellow country comrades among same ethnic, Your mother land was split up and still is by those supoerpowers poking into everything with your peninsula. Are you insane?
            Did ROK overvcome differences and comepletely normalize relation with PRC within just 20years+ Really?
            Do you mean ROK normarized to the ancient normal course where you always obey to Chinese?
            Are you representing ROK? Are you gyopo or Korean citizen anyway? incredble.

          • wrle

            You are putting words in my mouth. I never said the relationship between china are “completely normalized”. I said they have improved due to the mutual respect and trust built through diplomacy, not like the childish hegmonic superiority complex mentality that japanese right wingers like youself cling to. This is exactly the problem I am talking about. And you ask why koreans dont think positively of japan? Let alone even interested. Japan is becoming like a forgotten neighbor to the koreans.

          • Curious

            So wrle, will it be spit or swallow for Mr Liang tomorrow morning?

          • JapanEconomyCrashing

            Based on current economic growth rates in both countries and Japan’s sinking Yen at 120 Yen per US dollar, the projected GDP per capita in both countries:

            Japan nominal GDP Per capita in 2015 = $33,000
            S.Korea nominal GDP Per capital in 2015 = $30,000

            Compared to just 2 years ago, when Japan’s GDP Per Capita was over $45,000.

            S.Korea could even theoretically surpass Japan in per capital nominal income if the Yen continues to devalue further and go below 130 Yen per US dollar (which many economic experts are predicting).

          • 1000smorekoreangirlsemigrating

            But if the yen devalues further then Korean exports are hurt? Why would you wish that?

            Would winning an argument on the internet with a stranger be worth the Korean economy retracting in real terms when Korea has a birthrate problem that makes Japans coming demographic crisis seem like a picnic in comparison?

          • JapanEconomyCrashing

            Fitch Financial Ratings Agency just lowered Japan’s credit worth rating to “A” from “A+”. Two levels below South Korea’s “AA”.

            You asked what things S.Korea surpassed Japan on, hinting that Japan is so superior that it’s insurmountable (as the translations of Japanese netizens show time in and time again).

            I just answered you. That’s all. I’m Chinese so I have no stake in Japan or Korea.

          • Yougotme

            Well there are millions of illegal Japanese immigrants in China and zero Chinese (and Korean) illegals in Japan and the rest of the first world. So I guess that proves you right that Japan is the worst country in the world.

            Congratulations. Celebrate by drinking a pint of wine made from poop.

          • guest

            Fitch which failed to predict the 2008 crash?

            Anyway Chucky you are not Chinese yet. Wait for 5 years time when they formally annex you. What are you going to choose for your Chinese name? I recommend Jiao.

          • Forest2014

            Eye mucus laughs at bogaboo.
            Both way behind Singapore.

          • wrle

            “Many areas” I was referring to were the fundamental economic and social indicators to a countries well being and measure of how developed it is.

            For example, in the annual human development index by the UN which measures how developed a country is. For the first time last year south korea topped japan at 15th place.

            Japan which used to have a higher credit rating than south korea in all 3 major credit rating agencies is now below in all 3 (s&p moodys and fitch).

            OECD, south koreas average household income and disposable income is higher than japans. IMF, Sk annual economic growth 3.8% In 2014 while japan was virtually flat and has the highest national debt of any developed nation.

            Should I continue? Pop music and food produce comes down to personal preference, though I believe most people would be more familiar with kpop than jpop anyway. Its like choosing between an apple or pear. Consumers wants products based on quality and value, and its clear korean products have overtaken japan in that department years ago. Japan is now having to compete with chinese products too.

        • Eidolon

          It’s not very difficult to understand why Park is trying to cozy up to China. China is the biggest market for Korean products and outsourcing, and best of all, Japanese competition in China is being stifled by the frosty relations between Japan and China. The Chinese government regularly bans Japanese products, media, companies, while there are continuous boycotts and frequent riots against Japanese businesses. This intensely hostile environment helps drive away Japanese competition, which then leaves a vacuum for Korea to fill.

          It’s an intelligent move. Japan is the one screwing itself over and being forced to go to India, Southeast Asia, etc., because they are less welcome in China. Park doesn’t want to end up in that situation. Who’d blame her?

          • Forest2014

            Chinese tourists still posting new record high here too.
            They enojoy Cherry blossom. temples in Kyoto, Nara, Skiing in Hokkaido, not to mention shopping in citis like Tokyo. They all seem happy purchasing n bringing Washlet toilet sheets, steam rice cookers, etc.Hence It is difficult to imagine they are boycotting Japanese products. Rather than being enforced transfer technologies or being exploited for nothing over there, it maybe better to withdraw some from China slowly and politely, back to domestic prodcutions and domestic employments. That seems to be happening.

  • Realist

    Well, Koreans may not care must about Japan but the comments section of this site shows that overweight ,virgin, gyopo shut ins are freaking stalker like crazy obsessed.

    • Looney Tunes

      So says the Japanese Otaku stalker from America.

      If this isn’t mentally disturbed stalking, I don’t know what is.

      1. JAPAN is CLASS
      2. The US and China’s Arrogance and Lies
      3. Anti-Japanese Korea’s Self-Destruction Has Begun
      4. There is No Future for Anti-Japanese Korea
      5. Japan, Respected by the World
      6. Shameful Korea Written by a Korean
      7. The Birth of Asian Hegemon Japan
      8. Evil Korea
      9. Tried Living in the UK, Japan, France and America: Japan was the best place for me.
      10. Japan is Nearly a Utopia From a UK Perspective
      11. I Have Lived in Europe. Japan wins by 9 to 1.
      But this book’s review isn’t very good among the books of this kind. It got mostly one or two stars. Several five stars given by right-wing netizens.
      12. Why Muslims Respect Japan.
      13. Thank You for Fighting for Us, Japan. Japan Praised by Asia
      14. True Reasons This Briton Living in Japan Does Not Return to the UK
      15. China: Defeated by Japan and Ostracized by the World
      16. Japan is Ahead of the UK by 50 Years
      17. Why is Japan Beloved by Asian Countries?
      18. Big Lies of Anti-Japanese History that Curses Japan
      19. Japan’s War; It Was Righteous: The Facts China and Korea Want to Hide
      20. American Occupation that Prevented Japan from Rising up Again
      21. The Japanese: Why are we so different from the Chinese and Koreans?
      22. 33 things that Japan Can Show off to the World
      23. Why is Japan Respected by the World?
      24. The Japanese are Fundamentally Different from the Chinese and Koreans.
      25. Chinese and Koreans’ dark heart that forgot Japan’s generosity
      26. True Nature of the Chinese Unknown to the Japanese
      27. I want to become Japanese: Japanese People from the Perspective of 27 European Countries
      28. Japan Becomes Like This After China Collapses
      29. The Era of China has Ended
      30. The World Has Begun Abandoning China and Korea: The state of Growing Anti-Chinese and Korean Sentiment
      31. The World Admires Japan and Its Emperor
      32. Abandon This Country: The Madness and Weirdness of Koreans

    • terriblemovie

      As opposed to the hundreds of thousands of fat, monkey faced, ugly jap net right wingers who stalk Koreans while masturbating to anime porn?

      • Jim Di Griz

        Well the article is about the growth of anti Korean sentiment in Japan but to an observer who doesn’t really know anything about the background they’d come to the comments and think “wow those poor Japanese, having to deal with these childish sociopaths”.

        That’s why I love you self appointed PR guardians of Korea. You unintentionally make the country you are sworn (in your head) to defend (compensation for dodging the draft?) look really terrible and backward to anyone you just happens to chance across here.

        At least when Japanese act like dicks online they do so in a language 99% of the world can’t read.

        If I didn’t know better I’d say you were in the pay of the Japanese government to make Koreans look like giant crybabies….but no, I think it’s down to the mental disorders associated with inbreeding.

        • terriblemovie

          Please don’t espouse your idiotic opinions as fact. Japan already has built up a negative reputation for poor online behavior. This article only mentions the obvious. Koreans don’t care about Japan but Japan obssess over and cries about Japan all the time. They should seriously stop behaving like a stalker.

        • antman1

          what do we do about japanese that pretend to be korean and bash japan using blatantly disgusting methods? Koreans are too busy bashing their own country to bash others’. Gukbbong are shunned, and Gukkas praised.

          • Chrisglen

            So you think the crybabies like terriblemovie, Chucky and Pawi are all Japanese pretending to be mentally unstable, hikikomori Koreans? It’s an interesting idea. Certainly a long con if true.

          • Guest

            The evidence is all online. You don’t have to believe anyone, see it for yourself. Just type in “South Korea” in Twitter, Youtube, or other social media websites, and you will see a lot of videos and comments that have been made by the Japanese nationalists against primarily South Korea but also China to a smaller degree. So if the Japanese trolls go to a lot of effort to make Youtube videos which requires a huge time commitment just to bash SK, it makes logical sense that they would also pretend to be Koreans (especially on Youtube where there is little censorship and anonymous user names) just to create more hatred against the people they hate.
            The Japanese trolls also specifically dig up all kinds of dirt that Koreans/Korean-Americans, Chinese/Chinese-Americans have done and post it to slander them. The Japanese have gone out of their way to exploit situations like what happened with the US ambassador recently to generalize and slander Koreans. It’s not just one or two people; it’s a large number of people with a large number of comments who are engaged in this vitriol against SK and China. The evidence is also in all those websites listed in this article.
            There’s something very strange about the Japan and Japanese nationalists. These people call for genocide against Koreans in their streets, which has been going on for years. You’re talking about picking on a substantially smaller country with 38% of their population and a little more than a quarter of their land area and carpet bombing the internet with vitriol, ethnic hatred, xenophobia and propaganda. ISIS beheaded two of their journalists, they feel threatened by China, and yet small, little South Korea is the real problem because they bring up historical issues? Or are the Japanese trolls also making death threats against Koreans regularly and slandering them because they have gotten away with it due to SK being so weak politically and the US not caring?

          • Christopher Glen

            Its because Korea is Japans nearest neighbor. Canada has a fraction of the population, economy and importance of the USA but if Canadians were burning the American flag in the streets, teaching its children to hate America, refusing to hold meet with America’s leaders while sending thousands of its women to work as sex workers in America and sending countless more illegal immigrants Americas way. I think Americans would begin to talk about and resent their funny little neighbor.

      • Forest2014

        It is funny, these days, you sound just like North Korean Radio used to shout out. Calm Down, boy

  • Nat

    What is Korea’s beef with Taiwan?

    • What beef?

      Huh? Korea has no beef with Taiwan. The only time you’ll see Koreans bash Taiwanese is when Taiwanese bash Koreans first.

      Not completely sure what their deal is with Koreans because I don’t know much about Taiwan, but I remember seeing a video of a Korea vs Taiwan baseball game where the Taiwanese announcer was crying his eyes out because Taiwan was losing and he wanted to beat Korea so bad. I felt sorry for them. Remember when Korea lost to Japan in the WBC in the semi-final? The Korean announcers didn’t get emotional and resentful and was professional, but this Taiwanese announcer was getting worked up over some unimportant game (actually, it might have been important, I’m not sure).

      Anyway, Koreans are pretty vocal and critical about Japan, and the Japanese return the favor just as much (if not more). But when Taiwanese criticize Koreans, to be honest most Koreans simply don’t care and just ignore them.

    • Dave

      Having lived in both countries, I would say Taiwanese think of Korea as a main rival competitor in economy, culture, and sports. On the other hand, the country Taiwan just doesn’t register to most Koreans. Lot of them are even dumb enough to confuse Taiwan with Thailand, and think Taiwan is in Southeast Asia.

    • wrle

      There is no beef. From what I know, Taiwanese view South Korea as their main economic rival since they overlap with them in many sectors of technology, hence the rivalry. On the other hand Most Koreans know very little about taiwan and often confuses it with thailand or south east asia. Don’t get me wrong. There are no negative sentiments, its just that Koreans are largely unaware of taiwan.

      • redwhitedude

        The key difference is that Taiwan is not dominated by big conglomerates in the same way as Korea and Japan. Koreans do not view Taiwan as their main rival, that would be Japan.

    • antman1

      Japan thinks korea hates Japan, though this is not the case. Taiwan see Japan as their masters. Thus, Taiwan hates korea. Korea hates the fact that Taiwan hates korea, but don’t really care.

  • Hifumi Okunuki

    Japanese society over the past couple of years has taken a dangerous turn toward extreme nationalism. My husband noted, “Since 2014, both NHK and the private broadcasters have changed how they refer to Japan, from using the word Nihon to Nippon.” The latter was used during World War II and is associated with jingoistic militarism. It also has a harsher consonant sound than “Nihon.”

    I hadn’t noticed the nascent Nipponization until my husband pointed it out, but it’s true: Turn on the TV today and on nearly every program and commercial, you hear the word “Nippon” over and over ad nauseam. You see it in the titles of magazines, articles and even books. Even the Japanese theme song for last year’s World Cup by Sheena Ringo was titled “Nippon.”

    All this Nippon talk is no sober commentary or level-headed assessment of the strengths and weaknesses of a modern nation. Rather, it’s a praise-fest through and through, as the following examples illustrate (all of which use “Nippon” to refer to Japan in their titles):

    1. “Except China and Korea, Everyone Is Pro-Japan: ‘Cool Japan’ Takes the World by Storm” (a book written by Toru Sakai);

    2. “That Is Why the World Respects Japan” (a book by Manlio Cadelo);

    3. “Tokoro’s Nippon Show” (aka “Rediscover Japan,” a TBS program);

    4. “Japanese People Can Be Found in the Most Remote Places” (on TV Asahi);

    5. “The World Says: OMG, Japan Is Friggin’ Awesome!” (also on TV Asahi).

    Writing up this short list makes me so sickened that my mind slips back into my native Kansai dialect to think: Jibun kara yutara oshimai yaro! (You’re not worthy of praise if you have to praise yourself!). What on Earth is whipping up this storm of self-congratulation?

    As if puerile, blathering, bloviating self-adulation were not enough, the march of self-righteous exceptionalism has decimated our media’s interest in or concern for other countries in general, while leading many to belittle and disparage Japan’s neighbors in particular. There seems to be a desperate need to despise Japan’s alter-ego bugaboo, South Korea, and to heap praise on how different and better “we Japanese” are.

    In my humble opinion, this din of self-praise represents the death rattle of Japan’s self-confidence and self-respect. As this year marks the 70th anniversary of Japan’s defeat in World War II, it’s surely no time for Japan to isolate itself from the outside world like a frog stuck in a well (i no naka no kawazu).

    Let’s see, where were we? Oh, yes: How does labor law treat foreign workers? Article 3 of the Labor Standards Act prohibits discrimination based on nationality: “An employer shall not engage in discriminatory treatment with respect to wages, working hours or other working conditions by reason of the nationality, creed or social status of any worker.” But does this law reflect the reality of the workplace or is it just pie-in-the-sky pretty talk?

    More than half a million ethnic Koreans live in Japan (Zainichi Korian) today, mostly as a result of Imperial Japan’s colonial rule over the Korean Peninsula. Many are fourth and even fifth generation. In this 70th year since the end of the war, anti-Korean hate groups are regrouping and screaming to anyone who will listen that Koreans enjoy special privileges and preferential treatment. Really? Special privileges?

    A closer look reveals that such privileges are “special” only in comparison with those of other foreigners, not Japanese citizens. For instance, Zainichi Koreans and Taiwanese — the descendents of those brought over in the colonial era, that is — are eligible for special permanent residence (tokubetsu eijūsha) status. These residents were also exempted in 2012 from the legal obligation to carry the identification cards that other foreigners have to.

    But why do these fourth- and fifth-generation immigrants not have citizenship in the first place? These people in their own countries were subjected to colonial domination before and during the war, forced to become Imperial subjects of Emperor Hirohito, to take Japanese-sounding names, and many were dragged to the archipelago to supply forced labor. Yet after Japan’s defeat, these “subjects” were unceremoniously stripped of their citizenship. Far from being a privilege, the tokubetsu eijūsha visa designation was created to mitigate the soul-destroying discrimination these “new foreigners” faced on a daily basis.

    Right-wingers also claim as “preferential” (tokken) the right for aliens to use aliases, particular “Japanese-sounding” names even though they have official Korean names. We must remember that these Imperial subjects were forced to take such names during the war. Another relevant point is that Japanese citizens and non-Korean foreigners also have the same right to use aliases, so it is in no way a special privilege.

    When I was a child, my family was close friends with a Korean family in our neighborhood. The Kims used their real name. The father opened a surgery clinic in their home. I remember my parents often saying, “Most Koreans know they will not be hired by Japanese companies so they have little choice but to use their Japanese aliases. Mr. Kim is clearly a Zainichi Korean, but he can survive because he has a medical license and his own clinic.”

    Most Japanese do not know and do not want to know the history of how Zainichi Koreans struggled desperately to survive decade after decade of discrimination and exclusion. Schools avoid the subject, but Japanese people must make an effort to learn about this painful history.

    One Zainichi Korean sued the Hitachi conglomerate in 1970 for “unhiring” him after they discovered his ancestry. Pak Chong Sok used his Japanese-sounding alias to sit for the company exam, but during routine paperwork upon being hired, he was required to submit proof of identification. Pak submitted his foreign registry card (gaitōsho) and Hitachi immediately withdrew the offer of employment, openly stating that “We cannot hire a Korean.”

    In court, Hitachi tried to justify the firing by claiming Pak had falsified his resume by using a “false name.” The trial thus ended up revolving around a single point of contention: Did using an alias constitute falsification?

    On June 19, 1974, the Yokohama District Court ruled that “using a Japanese name did not constitute falsification because he had in effect been forced to use such a name, and the name was insufficient grounds for dismissal.” The company had violated the equal-treatment provision of Article 3 of the Labor Standards Act, as well as the “public order and morality” principle from Article 90 of Japan’s Civil Code.

    The judge elaborated in the verdict on the unconscionable and bitter circumstances suffered by Zainichi Koreans in Japan. This rare expression of sympathy for the suffering of Koreans here by a Japanese judge warrants a lengthy citation:

    “The plaintiff wrote his alias in order to appear as if he were Japanese, but the motive that led to this fabrication deserves extraordinary sympathy on many points in light of the historical and social background of Koreans including the plaintiff as explained above, and in light of the reality that Koreans living in Japan are refused employment, particularly by big Japanese companies — except with special exceptions — for the sole reason that they are Korean.”

    This case is crucial as it took on Article 3 head on. The resurgent nationalism of 2015 tries to justify discrimination against foreigners who are in the minority by emphasizing nationality, something that one cannot choose at birth.

    I believe that efforts against this kind of discrimination have made zero progress in the four decades since this landmark court case. If anything, we have turned back the clock.

    • Keiichi Tanaka

      “Since 2014, both NHK and the private broadcasters have changed how they refer to Japan, from using the word Nihon to Nippon.” The latter was used during World War II and is associated with jingoistic militarism. It also has a harsher consonant sound than “Nihon.”

      Well, this is bullshit. Do you guys really believe it? Can you speak Japanese? I’m Japanese, but this is untrue. Please stop lying, Korean people.

      • Xman2014

        Voting for yourself and screaming ‘this is bullshit stop lying Korean people’, does not fortify your argument much. Try to be a bit more rational.

      • terriblemovie

        Its funny whenever a Japanese person accuses someone else of telling lies.

      • KKoreanPPeninsula

        Koreans cannot speak Japanese. Do not ask or tell Koreans speak Japanese. 99.9 percent Koreans will say they cannot speak or understand Japanese.

      • Pure italian

        As a man born in Europe I may not have much knowledge about this use of words, ‘Nihon’ or ‘Nippon’ but I can say that use of the word ‘bullshit’ may not be appropriate. But I kind of understand Keiichi’s feelings, since I can only see comments from people that only reads unti-Japan medias. I’m pretty sure that we can have a better argument if we had more specialist who knows what the majority of Japanese people think.

    • Forest2014

      LIke I said in JC, Yen Paper bills been always “NIPPON GINKOU”.
      Also do you know why NIPPON is proper pronounciation? Have you ever joined audience cheering for Japan in soccer match?
      “NIPPON ! cha cha cha… NIPPON! cha cha cha”, you know , it goes much better to the beat of drums than the other

  • ShootehAnon

    As soon as I saw Korea and Japan in the same title, I knew the comment section already exploded.

  • ChuckRamone

    The part I agree with most from the bottom-most posting is that living in Japan is somehow suffocating. Everything is highly ordered and clean and well-developed but socially it’s somehow suffocating. And there really are very few quiet places where you can just relax like at a park. Maybe I’m too used to America’s wide-open spaces. I don’t think I could live in Japan again but I love to visit for short stays.

    • bigmamat

      You didn’t live in NYC. Japan is pretty crowded but all big cities are noisy.

      • ChuckRamone

        I didn’t? I live in Brooklyn right now. I’m typing this in Manhattan. I’ve lived in NY for over a decade, lived in Japan for about two and a half.

        • bigmamat

          So NY isn’t noisy? I thought It was but I don’t live there. I’m out here where you hear crickets.

          • ChuckRamone

            NY is noisy as hell. But I’m talking about how being out in public is different in America. You don’t feel as socially stifled. Like you can go to a park and just splay yourself out on the grass. In Japan, even in public parks and such, it’s a little different. You feel like you have to maintain some proper decorum at all times.

          • bigmamat

            That’s what I hear. Makes wonder about all the weird porn and crazy odd obsessive things Japanese get into. Some of their movies are so graphic and weird they’re too hard to watch. Repressive societies must need some kind of outlet.

          • redwhitedude

            Or they need to chill and easy off socially.

          • redwhitedude

            I think Koreans can relate to that when they go back and forth between Korea and US.

  • bigmamat

    I don’t follow what the Japanese say about the Koreans online but I do occasionally see what Koreans say about Japan. Most of the comments seem to be about the Japanese being in denial about their brutal imperialistic history and the fact that Koreans think the Japanese hate them. When I point out that a lot of Korean entertainers are pretty successful in Japan despite this hatred most of them point to Abe and his habit of being as inflammatory as possible toward Korea. Also they point to the crazy nationalist protesters. Then I remind them that Korea has it’s own homegrown nut jobs who protest and make them look nutty too.I figure if a Korean idol group can sell 150 thousand tickets to their concerts at least the youth of Japan don’t give a shit about all this nationalist crap.

    • Kiko2909

      I’m a naturalized Zainichi Korean in Japan who has naturalized to Japanese citizen. Our family history in Japan goes back generations, and my parents and my grandparents were all born in Japan. I am no longer living in Japan, as recently I’ve left Japan. I will never go back there again. The last few years on Japan has changed. Japan as a country has changed forever in my opinion. It used to be that Zainichi Koreans were always tolerated in Japan, but no longer it is the case. The special hatred reserved especially against Koreans you will never understand unless you live everyday in Japan as a Korean. They hate us and many Koreans, naturalized or not, are now afraid to stick out in Japan. It wasn’t always like this. But the last few years when PM Abe has come to power, has changed everything. If you are Korean, or if they find out that you are Korean, you are opened to attack. Now a days they scream death threats at you, tell us to get out of Japan, scream at us for being cock roaches, and they say they want to massacre Koreans and put us all in gas chambers. Since they found out that I was an ethnic Korean (I am a Japanese citizen on paper) and dared to run a popular non-political website, I have gotten strange phone calls at night, my internet blog attacked with racist comments, and friends and colleagues that used to be friendly no longer contacted me. My crime is that I had purposely hid my “Korean-ness”, pretended to be a Japanese, and for being a “fake Japanese”. In Japan, if you naturalize, you have to weigh the pros and cons. The pros are that you don’t have to go through all the hassles of being a foreigner. The cons are that if they find out that you’re a Korean, you will be accused of being a fake and a liar. Koreans who think of naturalizing to Japanese always face this dilema. They cannot win in Japan. I know lot of Zainichi Koreans living scared for their lives. THEY HAVE NEVER FELT LIKE THIS BEFORE until just recently as Japan turns more and more extreme right wing. I have gone to police to complain about numerous racial harassments and even racist hate attacks by Zaitokukai, but the police did want to listen and told me seriously that I’m a bad troublemaker because I am considered not real Japanese. Their “right to speech” is more important than my right to safety. The Japanese police won’t protect you, th Japanese media won’t protect you, and the Japanese government encourages these attacks. As foreigners in Japan, you have no legal rights, and the police will not help you. I know of one Zainichi Korean girl had a youtube account but she had close it down because she was mercilessly harassed by internet Japanese net right. The threats they made against you physically and mentally is not worth it.

      Well you might think, and many Japanese say why Koreans don’t just get the fuck out of Japan. The trouble is that for most Koreans in Japan, Japan is the only home they ever know, many don’t speak Korean, know nothing about Korea, and they have no place to go. But if there are other countries that welcome the Zainichi Koreans, I am sure many of them would want to immigrate. But they have no choice. Even South Korea is not friendly towards immigration and they do not encourage the Zainichi to re-immigrate back to Korea. We are not wanted by anyone, even South Korea. Sad but true. Needlessly to say, I am happy living where I am and I will never go back to that crap hole called Japan. I have never been proud of my ethnic background and embarrassed of what I am, scared that I would be found out, when I was growing up in Japan. But now I am more and more interested in Korean culture and language and feel more proud that I was born Korean. Sorry for my poor English it is not my first language.

      • bigmamat

        I’m glad you got out if it’s turned that bad. I said Abe was taking a lot of criticism, and he should. I appears the world is going backward instead of forward now to me anyway. Everyone is worried and frightened for the future. A handful of people, they say around 88 control more money than the other 3.5 billion. It’s certainly in their best interest if we fight among ourselves rather than focus on how they robbed us of our futures. Abe is no different. He doesn’t believe half the things he says. He’s “playing to his base” as we say here. He’s telling the people that voted him in what they want to hear while he’s picking their pockets. Nothing good can come from a nation run by a man like Abe. The Japanese are ruining themselves. I should know George Bush was my president for 8 years.

        • Xman2014

          Japan can ill-afford an ethnic cleansing precisely at a time when they badly need more consumers and more people. It is better to keep ethnic Koreans in the country, when they have completely assimilated into Japanese society, and virtually indistinguishable by appearance. Japan’s consumers are now getting much older and poorer, while many are living off their savings which they stuffed under their beds, since Japanese banks have very poor investment yields and pay very little interests (if any at all). That doesn’t make any sense at all, when Japan needs more consumers. But oh-well, it’s their country, so none of my business. However, as South Korea begins to see the same demographic pattern as in Japan, I can see the future when South Korea begins to realize what a rich source of immigrants the ethnic Koreans from Japan can become. Because due to similar culture and language, there would be less funds and less effort needed to make them adjusted to the new country.

          • bigmamat

            This whole “adjustment” thing kind of tickles me. It’s just code for racism/nationalism who cares if they “adjust” as long as they spend their money and pay their taxes? But sure allowing the Koreans from Japan and China seems to be a win for the Korean economy.

          • redwhitedude

            True but can they adapt? Especially those from China since China is significantly worse off than Korea, you are moving from a developing country to a developed one. Not sure if you dressed like a Korean back in the 80s now would help your image in Korea.

          • bigmamat

            Being an a American I’d first off say moving from a communist country to a democracy is the first advantage but now I’m not so sure. Democracies don’t seem to functioning so well these days either.

          • redwhitedude

            I don’t mean politically, socially.

          • bigmamat

            We really only have the illusion of being a freer more tolerant society. All the old restrictions still exist they’re just hidden behind our monolithic pop culture.

          • redwhitedude

            Well the US is generally more affluent than China which helps in that regard.
            Also unlike China the US doesn’t overtly ban rival propaganda so what does it have to do, it’s propaganda has to be slicker, more eye catching and so forth.
            Which propaganda is more effective? The US. There is a reason why US propaganda is much more effective and this is why. The concession is that there will always be somebody who is not convinced, but as long as that is kept to a minimum then it still works, quite unlike China which cannot afford even one soul not conforming. In short the US is much more clever, slicker and so forth.

          • takasar1

            What evidence of ‘slickness’ do you possess? Is there a chart or something?

          • redwhitedude

            Just look at any american product advertisement. You have to grab people to get them to use the advertised product. Compare that to the communist propaganda. It is so bland. They have no competition because they ban anything else but communist propaganda.

          • takasar1

            that’s not the point of propoganda! the point isn’t to look great and win hearts and minds of foreigners. the point is to achieve objectives with regards to control and to direct public opinion. look at china today! i can guarantee you that a greater proportion believe in their government’s ability to govern than americans do in theirs. pew figures prove this.

          • redwhitedude

            There is a carry over in how slick you do advertising whether it be for getting to buy products and trying to get people to believe in an ideology. The methods are probably the same but the subject is different.

          • bigmamat

            I was also suggesting that socially it’s restrictive as well. We have large populations of socially and economically disenfranchised.

          • redwhitedude

            Isn’t this true of a lot of countries, an illusion of upward mobility. China has a whole different meaning of upward mobility, corruption.

          • bigmamat

            Corruption isn’t a Chinese invention.

          • redwhitedude

            That was not the point. Using corruption to boost the socioeconomic standing. You have to wonder when mainland Chinese come over and buy homes that are worth hundreds of thousands and millions of dollars with one lump sum cash payment, how they got so much money. Most people can’t do that in the US which has higher annual salary than China, hence mortgages.

          • Joseonjok

            Well said Xman!

            Since moving back to the motherland we’ve been treated like kings, there’s no racism in Korea. It’s a shame we don’t get the jobs where we spend 3 hours a day dancing at a kindergarten like the fat ethnic Koreans who come over from America and Canada but we are given the opportunity to work 14 hours a day cleaning hotels and toilets for below minimum wage! Thank you.

            So zainichi brothers, who needs those cushy, well paid jobs, generous welfare schemes and affirmitive action style recruitment programes that the Japanese devils give you.

            Come and join us cleaning toilets! Oh and the beatings from your bosses, the harassment from the police, the with holding of salary…..yeah it’ll get you down but Just think of how horrible it was being rich in Japan!

          • Zainichi Nationalist

            beatings, harassments by police, “get the fuck out Japan” slogans, with holding of salaries of foreign workers, with holding medical treatment of foreign immigrants impounded in detentions and at airports, exploitation of foreign workers with $500 a month salaries and stiffing them out of that – sounds all exactly Japanese. Read the US state department report of Japanese human rights abuses of foreign workers – it puts Korea, despite its faults, as a heaven compared to Japan. At least in Korea, they don’t hold hate marches calling for mass murders. And heck.. joseonjoks can still find jobs washing dishes – 100 times better than in Japan where you are relegated to either cleaning Japanese toilets for meals and kicked out of country without pay once the tour is over.

          • ChuckRamone
          • Zainichi

            LOL, read all the comments by Japanese, they even blame this on Koreans, claiming Vice is run by Koreans who are trying to make Japan look bad. Unbelievable.

          • Hotmail

            Chucky, you are a fat, little spoilt boy from Canada. You have never met a zainichi person, nor would you be able to communicate with one if you did. Why are you pretending to be one.

          • troll harder

            I doubt that Zanichi is Chucky… only because Chucky has a strong history on “fighting it out” on KB/JC and other places as… Chucky…

          • Goose

            Which is incredibly ironic, because when that ttongsul/Poo Wine Vice documentary came out, a lot of Koreans accused Vice of being run by Japanese or paid off by Japanese.
            What can we learn from these accusations from both sides?

            You are both whiny bitches who cant accept negative portrayals. And apparently you are Zainichi, so you have the worst of both sides, the two faced bitch Japan side, and the whiny victim “woe is me” small man syndrome on the Korean side. Good luck with that.

          • Japs-Are-DisgustingCockroaches

            “Which is incredibly ironic, because when that ttongsul/Poo Wine Vice documentary came out, a lot of Koreans accused Vice of being run by Japanese or paid off by Japanese.”

            That’s why it’s funny. It’s incredibly ironic that Japanese are now accusing that Vice is bought out by Koreans, when they have used Vice to spread the ttongsul lies.

        • redwhitedude

          His base includes the right wing revisionists. These include prominent academics, politicians and such. His cabinet includes 2 members that have been photographed with fascist sympathizers. Not sure if you can get away with say being photographed with organizations such as KKK or organizations that have ties to them and still be a nominee for a cabinet position in the US but they let such things fly in Japan.

          • bigmamat

            Sure you can in the US we still have a congress full of racists, theocrats and just plain crooks.

          • redwhitedude

            Not sure about racism. Remember David Duke? Former KKK guy who ran for a seat in congress.

          • bigmamat

            Sure. I’m old enough to remember George Wallace. Granted I was a kid and liked David Partridge better but I remember him. I can remember being taken to a clan rally as a small child. I’m from Virginia. I grew up with a picture of Robert E. Lee hanging in the dining room. I was born in Richmond.

          • redwhitedude

            But can people like David Duke reach national prominence? Not sure if Robert E Lee was a raging KKK member. He just followed his state which sided with the Confederacy. I think George Wallace changed his stance on segregation.

          • bigmamat

            No what I meant is there isn’t much I don’t know or understand about the southern political and social landscape I was born and raised in it.

          • redwhitedude

            Southerners are southerners with their bible belt. Heck they preempt sunday morning programming in the big three with religious service. Come to think of it. That’s one reason I am not crazy about moving there.

          • bigmamat

            The weather is warmer, the women are pretty and the food is awesome, but the politics suck. I’m in Virginia so it’s not quite as bad as going farther south.

          • redwhitedude

            Virginia is not even the deep south nor is south Florida. Bit you have politicians pandering to Korean interests there. The east sea/sea of Japan thing.

          • bigmamat

            Yeah northern va has one of the fastest growing korean populations in the country. They call va a “mid-Atlantic state now,but it was the capital of the confederacy and that shit don’t die easy. It’s a pretty state. Mountains, ocean, lots of pretty rivers, it’s also a historic state. Yorktown and williamsburg are only an hour from me. Actually it’s a “purple” state politically. Not nearly as backward as some of our neighbors.

          • redwhitedude

            Backward? How about the Appalachian mountain regions. I hear there are isolated spots there.

      • Forest2014

        ” Even South Korea is not friendly towards immigration and they do not encourage the Zainichi to re-immigrate back to Korea. We are not wanted by anyone, even South Korea. Sad but true. ”
        Why is that?If I may ask you. You mean overall society does not welcome you at all? Is it related to which Korean passport you carry?

    • pawikirogii

      ‘idol group can sell 150 thousand tickets to their concerts at least the youth of Japan don’t give a shit about all this nationalist crap.’

      black singers were popular in the 50’s and 60’s here in the states. many american movies are popular in the arab world.

      • bigmamat

        I guess that proves me wrong then. lol

        • redwhitedude

          Are they still accusing Fuji TV for being too pro Korean or something?

          • bigmamat

            Damned if I know. I know next to nothing about japanese media.

          • redwhitedude

            This thing is overblown. Just because a TV station was showing a little bit more Korean programming it gets attacked.

          • bigmamat

            Attacked by the public or the government? If it’s the government that’s a much bigger problem.

          • redwhitedude

            All those right wing loons, the same people who stage right wing rallies. They have vans that go around spewing out their propaganda.The bigger problem is that it seems that free press is being muzzled under Abe.

          • bigmamat

            How Putin of him. Maybe when he starts bumping people off everyone will pay attention.

          • redwhitedude

            You have to wonder if the US really knows what it is doing in pushing Japan to pull its weight with the military without holding them accountable for WWII.

      • antman1

        Not to mention, ehem, North Korea

    • Chucky3176

      If you want to be amused, read this and give it a long hard laugh.

      “The US, Not Japan, Was the Aggressor”

      http://www.sdh-fact.com/CL02_1/82_S4.pdf [2]

      This is the type of stuff that are being pushed in Japan currently, and that their public largely buys into. It would be so funny, if it wasn’t simply a shameful display of rewriting history to fit their agenda.

      I got this from this Japanese site. You can see more here.

      http://www.sdh-fact.com/

      What bothers me… not that Japan is turning up like this when they’re shooting their own feet.. what really bothers me is the US that turns a blind eye to Abe’s right wing shift in the name of protecting America’s interests in Asia. US is using right wing Japan, to counter China, and enabling Abe to become more and more bold. As long as the US checks China’s rise, that’s OK, right?

      • bigmamat

        Hell I don’t know. I don’t think we should ever leave Japan. I don’t trust the mother fuckers. So by proximity I don’t think we should leave Korea either. I’m of the opinion we didn’t need to drop those hydrogen bombs on them. Conventional weapons had already done the job. We just couldn’t stand not playing with our new toys and showing China who’s boss. I also think that if we’re worried about China now we’ve got no one to blame but ourselves and the greed of our own politicians and their slavish devotion to corporate money. China could have remained “developing” a whole lot longer if we didn’t want them as a rival.. I really don’t know why we would think China would turn into some benevolent giant after centuries of domination in Asia and beyond. Abe isn’t the only world leader who needs reminding that those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

        • Chucky3176

          I never advocated the US leaving Japan and Korea. If they ever did, this area would have been a powder keg by now. What bothers me is Mr. Abe getting invited into US Congress, welcomed as the new champion and hero of the US interests, Americans giving him a huge positive ego boost and publicity stunt for the world, when he should be an international pariah. Instead, Abe’s vision of new Japan is becoming US government’s new found answer and partner to the US’s military’s financial woes in the Pacific. But let’s see if Japan will become another Britain for the US as the Americans are expecting Japan will become, and the new Japanese military take up their arms in far flung places of the US empire, to fight for American interests. I highly doubt that would happen. The Right Wingers in Japan are no friends of the US, their cozying up to the Americans are a calculated move to transform and shape Japan into their own vision, without anyone inside or outside of Japan protesting against their transformation. This is a country that never learned from their mistakes in history, they are bound to repeat it.

          • bigmamat

            Like I said. I don’t trust them. Our idiot congress invited that war happy Israeli to speak in the capital so nothing they do surprises me anymore. There’s nothing they won’t stoop to do to secure their short term interests.

          • Adult

            But it’s not just the USA is it? Abe has been welcomed by the leaders of pretty much every country of importance. He seems to get on with Obama, Abbot, Putin, Modi, Harper, Cameron and more. Even Xi appears to be warming to the GOJ (they had a recent sit down chat at an Asian summit while the Korean president was taking one of her frequent vacations).

            Only Park refuses to speak (IMO down to her personal insecurities about daddy being a willing member of the IJA). Now maybe you guys are right, maybe it’s a simple case of Korea=good Japan=bad but us adults view things in shades of grey. The government of Japan is neither good nor bad but somewhere in the middle like all governments and should be compromised with.

            South Korea is acting very immature in the eyes of the rest of the world and damaging its own future with it’s aggressive anti Japanese agenda. FWIW I’m neither Japanese or Korean (either by birth or ethnically), I’m not a weeaboo nor a koreaboo. I travel to both countries on business regularly and find them both pleasant places to stay.

          • Zainichi Nationalist

            “I’m neither Japanese or Korean”

            that’s what Japanese pretending to be other nationalities often say online, right Forest2014?

          • Forest2014

            dunno. lol

          • bigmamat

            Who pays attention to South Korea anyway but a handful of nerds on the internet and kpop fans? Damaging their rep. I think that’s funny. Granted Park is about as effective as tits on a bull but just because world leaders are friendly and diplomatic toward Abe doesn’t mean they take his revisionist history seriously either. Remember they had to pretend to be nice to George Bush too when he was in the room.

          • Zainichi Nationalist

            Indeed bigmamat. Funny isn’t it? Japan can become the big powerful military with the blessing of the US, who both have the same national interest to counter China. Japan can reap the benefits of close US support for now. But sooner or later with that special close relations with the US, also comes the responsibility that the US is expecting from Japan. Nothing is free and it will come with a price. And Abe is increasingly putting his country in dilema, between being friendly to the US, versus satisfying Japan’s vast conservative constituency who are in no mood to do favours for the US at the expense of hurting their own interests. For instance, if the US asks Japan to provide combat troops to Middle East, to fight the Muslim terrorists, will they oblige? I just don’t see it.

            http://www.japantoday.com/category/opinions/view/how-far-is-japan-willing-to-go-to-back-u-s

          • bigmamat

            Well the Japanese aren’t exactly our allies. I know that’s language but not the reality. The Korean are. The Japanese don’t have any real allies. They’ve never done anything to cultivate them. Other than their history of imperialism they are isolationists first.The hubris is strong in this one Obi Wan.

          • Chucky3176

            Well that is your personal view. But it doesn’t mean that’s translated into agreement, when you look at this from Washington’s and US media’s points of views. United States is more than willing to overlook the faults of Mr. Abe, in the expectations that Japan will be a valuable source of funding and even military combat cooperation.
            Americans are tired of bailing out Israel and Iraq, it’s hard for them to refuse Japan’s hands reaching out to them, especially at a time when US military budget is broke.

            http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2015/04/shinzo-abe-ally-america-needs/111130/

            I concede, this is going to make it awfully difficult for South Koreans to exert their disagreements with Japan over territorial and historical issues, when the US takes sides and increasingly favours Japan. Money talks.
            When this happens, it will increasingly push South Korea into China’s camp, which I don’t want to see, but that’s the reality.

          • bigmamat

            I can pretty much guarantee the average American isn’t even thinking about Japan. They’re way too well indoctrinated to keep their eye on the middle east. What never heard of ISIS.

          • redwhitedude

            Again without holding Japan accountable over WWII this might be shortsighted. The Japanese revisionist right wing will view this as a seal of approval to their agenda.

          • redwhitedude

            Allowing Japan to rearm or reinterpret its constitution without having them to own up to their mistakes and atrocities of the past is a serious mistake. This is very shortsighted on the part of the US. You basically have a country that thinks it was justified to rampage throughout Asia in WWII and allow them to take a bigger military role. What are they going to think they are doing when their forces get deployed to other countries? That they are bringing civilization back to these countries?

          • redwhitedude

            Park is an oaf for her utter refusal to deal with Japan. It leaves her virtually no room to maneuver geopolitically in the far east.

          • bigmamat

            Would engagement have pissed off her base? Isn’t she leader of a party that is typically hostile toward Japan?

          • redwhitedude

            Nope. Why would her party be more hostile? The progressives would be more hostile.

          • bigmamat

            I find korean politics a bit confusing. I Understand that everywhere else in the world to be a “leftist” usually means socialist/communist but their affiliations still confuse me a bit.

          • redwhitedude

            Yeah. What’s odd is that the leftist are the ones who are beating the nationalism card more than others. That is the socialists/communist are very nationalistic. That is the peculiarity of Korean politics.

          • redwhitedude

            Will history repeat itself. Japan forged an alliance with Britain because both were concerned with Russia. Once the Russo-Japanese war was over and WWI was over Japan placed the 21 demands on China which essentially demanded control of China. That raised suspicion on the part of Britain as to the Japanese intent. If the US glosses over the Japanese right wing they might do things that will raise suspicion on their intention eventually because this right wing will be emboldened to push things.

      • redwhitedude

        That’s pretty much the narrative of the right wing revisionism. In order to say that Japan was the victim they have do deny all the atrocities. The right wing is pretty much piggy backing on the US concern of China.

    • jgs

      “When I point out that a lot of Korean entertainers are pretty successful in Japan despite this hatred”

      “I figure if a Korean idol group can sell 150 thousand tickets to their concerts at least the youth of Japan don’t give a shit about all this nationalist crap.”

      Both China and Korea hate Japan, but their games and animes were / are super successful in these countries.

      You can be a Kpop fan, and hate Korea at the same time.

      There was a survey done on Japanese Kpop fans, by a Japanese magazine, as to they like Korea, and most answerers were negative

      So I don’t understand your logic.

      • bigmamat

        My logic is if you actually hate something like koreans you wouldn’t bother to spend your money on them. Not in a place like Japan with more than twice the population and a rather robust entertainment industry of their own. So I don’t care if you find my “logic” flawed. I find yours a bit paranoid.

        • Forest2014

          “Logic” sounds too heavy for the youth. Its something like personal principle for the ones like yourself, who does not trust the mother fuckers, may not be interested in Japanese culture, people, entertainment at all. Fortunately both Koreans and Chinese still visiting Japan a lot as tourists. So situations surrounding these countries may not be as bad as some holding the principles think.

          • bigmamat

            Well that’s my point exactly really. Younger generations may be influenced by the older generation but they have their own priorities and concerns no matter how superficial they may be. Hating on Koreans might not be one of them.

            I also didn’t say I wasn’t interested, that’s not true. And who I don’t trust is their government to keep it’s promises. Why anyone would trust Abe after all his nationalistic posturing is beyond me.

        • jgs

          Again you can hate a paticular race while enjoying the food / music / movies, etc produced by that race. It’s plain simple.

          • bigmamat

            I suppose you can if you’re American. I am going on the assumption it’s easier to avoid it in less diverse societies. Another bit of my logic.

      • redwhitedude

        Kpop fan and hate Korea? To a certain extent. Also did anybody mention that the free press in Japan is being muzzled and the free press rating for Japan has dropped. Not to say Korea is a shinning example given the somewhat liberal use of defamation lawsuit on the part of the current administration. But I find Japan’s case far more serious than Korea’s.

    • redwhitedude

      Korean version of nut jobs are those pro north Korean people. I think to everybody else the ideological battle has long been over between north and south and it is pretty obvious who won.

      • bigmamat

        Are they actually “pro-north”? I can’t see anyone being pro crazed dictator but I can see why koreans might lean toward socialism.

        • redwhitedude

          Remember this woman who went to North Korea the so called flower of reunification, Lim su-kyung?

          • bigmamat

            Yeah but I didn’t pay a lot of attention. She wasn’t nearly as entertaining as Dennis Rodman.

          • redwhitedude

            She turned out to be a PR gaffe for North Korea according to Denis Lankov. Just read his book on the Real North Korea.

          • bigmamat

            I’ll pass. I read a couple of blogs. The next book I read is gonna have sex in it. It’s almost Summer. Maybe later.

          • redwhitedude

            It’s easy reading.

  • faves_slayer

    I haven’t read it but thank you very much for taking the time to translate all of this.

  • Kenny Kim

    The Japanese turned me into a newt!

    • Charles Park

      A newt?

      • Kenny Kim

        Well, I got better.

        • YourSupremeCommander

          A better newt?

  • GodBlessAmericanCops

    Generalizing all Japanese or Koreans or any race is pretty dumb. The only more consistent populace of Japanese that has strong dislike for Koreans (vice versa) are conservatives and the elderly folk. For obvious reasons, like those who experienced and lived through when Japan ruled Korea.

    And why is the author citing Ilbe as a credible source of the subject matter. Let’s get discussion from a conservative 4chan on steroids and measure it as a general consensus of what Koreans think of Japanese! Eureka! Ilbe user’s collective IQ is probably around 20.

    Also why would you take 1 person’s experience representative, especially a guy who frequents Ilbe. To get a real answer you should ask people who study Japanese/Korean historians, social workers, sociologists etc. You wouldn’t ask a pet shop owner about your medical symptoms and professional advice. I can point out several fallacies in that man’s arguments.

    Finally, as a Korean myself but brought up in foreign western country. I would say Japan and S.Korea are both shit holes in a lot of areas, especially education, views on women, gay rights, obsession with looks etc.

    • Xman2014

      People should really make up their minds about Ilbe. Either it’s bunch of anti-Korean pro-Japan traitors, or they’re bunch of virulent racist pro-Korea 국뽕 nationalist fanatics. They really can’t be both. Or simply they’re just another forum full of diverse opinions no better nor worse than any other forums. I find the obsession with attributing that forum with every ill in Korean society, automatically jumping on the band wagon just because that’s what everyone says Ilbe is all about. Lack of critical thinking shows in your comment. How about telling us what you found in those Ilbe comments about Japan, that you found so offensive and racist like the Japanese forums on Koreans?

      • Forest2014

        “Either it’s bunch of anti-Korean pro-Japan traitors, or …”
        So does it mean if you are anti-Korean and pro-Japan, you are a traitor in your country. That explains a lot.

        • Xman2014

          Explains what? Look at your own people’s forums, and talk.

        • antman1

          Hes talking about REAL traitors that descend from during colonial era, like French quislings during VIchy france that were used to quell the resistance

        • jgs

          In this case, “pro-Japan or Chin-Il-Pa” in Korea refers to actual traitors who sold fellow Koreans as sex slaves, and stuffs among many other horrible things they did to fellow Koreans.

    • jgs

      “Generalizing all Japanese or Koreans or any race is pretty dumb. ”

      “Japan and S.Korea are both shit holes in a lot of areas, especially education, views on women, gay rights, obsession with looks etc.”

      So you’re against generalization, but in the end you do it too?

      • Rosie85

        except he is not generalizing korean and japanese people, he’s generalizing certain areas in need of work.

  • osidixon

    Well I mean, IDK what they were expecting from a right-wing website.

  • Japanese To English Translator

    At Seoul National University, I have been talking about hate speech – By Kunio Suzuki

    ———————————
    I went to South Korea. Seoul University had invited me to lecture. It’s been a long time since I travelled abroad. It was arranged one month prior. After the date was confirmed I worried if my passport was still valid and in order. It still was valid and I sighed in relief. On March 17, I left Haneda Airport, and landed at Kimpo Airport in Seoul. I took the taxi to Seoul University. I had decided to stay in a hotel near there. At dinner time, I went for a walk, and found a big bookstore called Libro. Although there is a bookstore of the same name also in Ikebukuro in Japan, they do not seem to be related. Haruki Murakami, Miyabe Miyuki, Yukio Mishima, Matsumoto Seicho … etc, there are lot of Japanese books on sale. In Japan, the bookstores are filled with anti Chinese and anti Korean books. It’s because they sell well, and that’s why big publishing companies continue to put them up on sale. Some people say they read those books and claim that they become refreshened and enlightened. Pathetic. If this is the case, then surely Seoul would also have books with titles like “I hate Japan!”, “We taught you your culture!”, and they would be overflowing the country, that’s what I thought. However there were none. “South Korea is full of anti-Japanese protests”, and “they are teaching their kids anti-Japanese education”, are what a lot of people think when they think of the anti-Japanese country. In Japan, there are hate speeches of “die Koreans”. In the book stores with titles like “End of Korea”, “We Should End Diplomatic Relations With Countries Like This”, are filling the shelves. There is even a book with the title “Why Koreans Don’t Have Hearts”. Those are terrible words. I wanted to ask the publishing companies, maybe you’re the ones who don’t have hearts?

    “If you go to Korea, you’ll get hit by raw eggs, and since you’re a right winger, they’ll beat you up horribly”, as some people worried over my safety. Both South Korea and Japan are relations based on hate, and even if it’s not as bad as that, I was prepared for getting hit with eggs and getting beaten up. But that ended up totally groundless. Everyone was friendly. “My son goes to Kyoto University”, “my daughter goes to Waseda”, as some Koreans proudly told me. Some of them even said they liked Japanese anime or that they like Japanese songs. In addition there were so many Japanese who said they came to Korea because they liked K-POP. This is great. However, according to politicians and the media, “relations between Japan and Korea are at an all time chill, that they revel in hate”. They say the hate is simmering. In reality, there are some politicians and conservatives who even say “we cannot give up one millimetre of the island, get ready for war”. Getting ready for war, what irresponsibility. We can think that could never happen now, but you never know when that could happen. Anyway, still it wasn’t really clear on surface, what was the real status of Japan and South Korea. That’s why I took this opportunity to go around to listen to what the Korean people had to say. On March 18, I went and toured the Ahn Jung Gun memorial and the War Memorial. On the same afternoon at 4 o’clock, I lectured at Seoul University. In front of the university students, I spoke for one hour and I took questions for one hour. I think I was able to talk very frankly. After it was all over, I had dinner with the teachers. On March 19, I visited the National Central Museum, then the Seodaemun Prison History Hall. Then I also visited Gyungbok Palace and even saw where Queen Min was murdered. Then in the evening, I left Kimpo Airport and landed at Haneda, however this became a big study for me. I never knew that with the Seoul University taking the central lead, that there was actually many Korea-Japan Friendship celebrations happening on all over the places. What I was invited to was the 180th invitation of Japan experts special lecture and seminar. This is the 180th time they’ve been doing this. The 179th time featured Governor Masuzoe. Their goal is to ask the opinions of “Japan experts”, and then let the students debate. Students were curious as to ask “what kind of person are you”, and even commented “usually it’s either famous Japanese politicians or Japanese university professors, however this time we have a real Japanese right winger!”. These events are introduced in the newspapers and on the internet, and there are also a number of newspaper reporters on hand. I wonder if a right wing can become a “Japan Expert”. My lecture for this day is this:

    . But will they know right wingers from internet right wingers? They probably know. I was talking to the Seoul University graduates. They were also students who belonged to the Institute of Japanese Studies. They not just only spoke Japanese language, they knew everything about Japan. From the Institute of Japanese Studies, a Seoul University professor named Park Chul Hee was the one who invited me. Professor Park not only studied Japanese politics but he also studied the Japanese right wing movement. I met Professor Park last January in Tokyo. He often visited Japan, and I was introduced to him by Yamaguchi Jiro (Hosei University professor). Mr. Park heard many right wing hate speeches. “Please come to Seoul and talk to us”, was his request. “I will be very happy to, I really want to come”, I responded, but I never dreamed and expected that to really happen.

    Even as a Japanese, you cannot be hostile to this. This was shocking. In the midst of all this, Seoul University was carrying out their Japan friendship events. There were also university students from Nagoya who attended the events. If you were in Japan, you would never have the opportunity to know that all this was going on. “Let’s get along”, “exchange of discussion”, they would never become news. Conflict, hate, clashes.. do make news. And if you look in Japanese bookstores, there are nothing but anti-Korean books, while politicians continue to say bad things and curse at Korea, and they proudly claim they are patriots. There are even hate protest marches. But if you talk about true defense or security, Shizuka Kame once wrote on a newspaper article, getting along amicably with your neighbours and putting into place a system that ensures there is no war, is what we call the real security. And I think I agree with that. Provoking other countries and then claiming one’s self as a patriot is not a true patriot. All that does is endangering the country. And I felt this: we shouldn’t entrust it all up to the politicians or the media, we should ensure movements by private sectors to continue the friendly exchanges.

    • Eidolon

      The author is absolutely right about “provoking other countries … All that does is endanger [your] country.” But nationalist netizens won’t ever understand it, and hence the circle of hate will go on.

  • Japanese to English Translator

    This is a Japanese language translation from news article that appeared on Japanese language version of South Korea’s Joongang Ilbo newspaper online edition, :

    After MIYAVI-Jolie’s Anti Japanese movie “Unbroken”, anger in Japan explodes: 2ch: “shit looking tattoos, third generation Zainichi Korean”

    Singer rocker MIYAVI, after staring in the movie “Unbroken”, Japanese internet users say “Get out of Japan!”

    Japan’s rock singer MIYAVI, after starring in Angelina Jollie’s movie “Unbroken”, is going through some very tough times these days, as it’s revealed. The movie “Unbroken” portrays the true story of US Olympic track and field athlete Louis Zamperini in a Japanese POW prison camp during WWII. In the movie depicting a true story, MIYAVI portrays a cruel Japanese prison commander. Based on this, the Japanese right wing groups called Angelina Jollie “the devil”, and protested to ban Jollie’s entry into Japan, as well as protesting to ban the movie in Japan. Amongst all this, MIYAVI’s reputation in Japan is also being shredded into pieces. Japanese internet users and media take issues with MIYAVI’s parents ethnic background as third generation Zainichi Korean and they are pouring scorn at him.

    MIYAVI says that when he was first approached for the movie “Unbroken”, he had no interest in acting at first. On top of that, the movie was about WWII and Louis Zemperini and tortures of US POW’s, forcing MIYAVI to be concerned and worried. Yet when Angelina Jollie came to visit him to convince him that Unbroken’s goal was to promote message of peace and forgiveness, MIYAVI became deeply impressed with her message, therefore agreed to the role.

    (background: MIYAVI is a Japanese rock singer who was born to a pure blooded Japanese mother and a third generation Korean father)

  • Guy Forget

    Who cares about this stupid feud between Japan and Korea. A giant tsnuami (metaphor) is coming to both their countries and it’s like 2 little kids arguing over who has the nicer clothes. It’s all irrelevant because what’s coming is going to wipe them out altogether (sorry for the cryptic language). This is just to keep them busy and distracted in their petty squabbles, while the real danger can proceed uncontested.

  • KKoreanPPeninsula

    I am living in Japan because my wife is Japanese ( LMAO). Total Yoko!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • MickeyRat 1

    Because of the current economical difficult in Japan, many Japanese people have been seeking a scapegoat. KOREA. Now they’re all becoming irrational hypocrites.

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