Mothers Get Plastic Surgery to Look More Like Their Daughters

Korean plastic surgery clinics are reporting a rise in the number of mothers seeking to have plastic surgery at the same time that their daughters. Mothers seek to modify their own appearance to hide any contrast with children’s new bodies, which could lead potential in-laws to realize that the girl’s appearance is fake.

Netizens mercilessly mocked the vanity of both mother and daughter, and asked if the grandchildren will also have to get plastic surgery to hide the family secret.

From Munhwa Ilbo:

Worried Their Daughter’s Plastic Surgery Procedures Will Be Found Out, Mothers Too Are Now Opting For Their Own “Face-Off”

Mothers elect to get plastic surgery to look more like their daughters.

Bung-oe-bbang (붕어빵), a popular molded fish-shaped snack sold by street vendors, is used to describe a child and parent who strongly resemble each other. Someone might see a mother and daughter and say, “They are completely bung-eo-bbang”, like this man…

Post-Sunung exam, Gangnam clinic offers “Mother-daughter discount”

On January 8th, Mrs. Jeon, 50, and her daughter, Miss Jeong, 22, had double eyelid and nose surgeries together in Gangnam-gu’s Sinsa district. Mrs. Jeong found herself on the operating table after being advised to join her daughter for surgery to “fix” their looks and better match with one another. Miss Jeong, with single eyelids and a low nose bridge, already had her consultation and was set to get the surgery prior to her year of study abroad. To allay her fears of a future son-in-law hearing about her daughter possibly having had double eye-lid surgery, Mrs. Jeong was determined to get the surgery as well.

Recently relocated Mrs. Song, 45, would hear her new neighbors at the local bathhouse always praise her daughters’ figures unabashedly, saying things like: “They are just as pretty as their mother.” But the truth is, Mrs. Song, along with her two university student daughters, had breast augmentation and thigh liposuction surgeries last year. Due to the exorbitant ₩15 million (USD $14,000) fee, Mrs. Song got a lot of protest from her husband, but did it in the hopes that her daughters would not suffer from any body complex issues as she once had.

According to an industry report released January 10th, the biggest plastic surgery clinics in all of Seoul’s Gangnam district show a rise in 40-50 year-old housewives getting “mother-daughter combo” plastic surgeries. The purpose of the surgeries is to hide the truth of their daughter’s surgeries. These instances occur most often after the daughters take their college entrance exams and become university students or ahead of their daughter’s marriage, when the mothers want to hide the fact that their daughters had previous surgery and try to match their look. For this reason “mother-daughter combo” service discounts are popping up at certain hospitals. At one renowned nosejob clinic in Gangnam’s Nonhyeon-dong neighborhood, daughters who accompany their mothers undergoing surgery can get free Botox injections.

Comments from Naver:
nhw2****:

Then they will have to get their babies surgeries right after birth, ke ke ke ke.

ange****:

Anyway, it’s game over when the daughter has a baby, ke ke ke. Also, plastic surgeries are obvious.

cjsr****:

This is certainly odd.

drog****:

What a funny article! Guys can tell if women have or haven’t had surgeries. What a case of putting your head in the sand!

dsup****:

Sigh, what a funny country…

myso****:

The mothers should just speak honestly that they wanted the surgeries, too.

tell****:

You had surgery but don’t want to hear others mention it? Ke ke ke ke. There’s nothing to say, ke ke ke ke ke.

ob16****:

Hundreds of years from now, our descendants will see their silicone corpses and will be shocked. And their cremation leads to noxious gases which will kill off the environment, ke ke ke.

namp****:

They pretend they are worried about their daughters but really it’s just their vanity speaking, ke ke. Do you think the mothers of Kim Hee-sun, Lee Young-ae, Jeon Ji-hyun or Kim Tae-hee [famous actresses known for natural beauty] are all epitomes of beauty? Ke ke ke.

pers****:

What’s with getting plastic surgery before your study abroad? A study abroad is for studying, right? Or are we talking about an “adult” study abroad?

ping****:

I’m also a woman, but…this is fucking crazy.

huni****:

A study abroad year, so why plastic surgery? You should be studying, so what’s with the face off?

ko95****:

You can change the outside, but not the inside.

tjda****:

Personally, I don’t prefer women who go under the knife over girls who are a bit ugly. How should I put it… They’re like robots. Of course, natural beauties are the best beauties.

pmss****:

It would be rather shocking for the husbands to be deceived before marriage and then see the kid. Although I can respect her decision to go under the knife, her hubby would get pretty upset later.

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  • afternoons

    I’m at a loss for words right now.

  • bigmamat

    We know this surgery trend is pretty much out of hand, but how did it all start? When will Korean women say enough is enough, do they even want to?

    • linette lee

      They are pressured to do it because of their society and their culture. When jobs and top University demand certain look this is what happen. And the saddest thing is that after they get it done they keep insisting it is only minor and it’s called permanent make up like surgically cutting the eyes to change the eye shape and eye lids. They are all in denial. The saddest thing is when they tell the son or daughters at age 12 to change their eyes telling them they are ugly if they don’t. That is child abuse. What does a child know about plastic surgery?

      • commander

        Aren’t most plastic surgeries for minors done by their nagging requests to their parents?

        • linette lee

          Those minors are still children and the only way to get surgery is when the parents pay for them. So who is responsible? Apparently the parents are not against it. Moms even tell her daughters to get them.

      • CK7

        Sounds like the way China is headed. Jobs and the competition alike in China has its own stunning rise in plastic surgery.

        I’ve never heard of Korean parents telling their 12 year olds to get ps. PS surgeons in Korea would never accept young children as clients who still have years to grow. Those who do get ps are usually during college years before graduating and entering the job market.
        And most Korean men do not get ps other than the gay men and some entertainers.

    • bumfromkorea

      Like most things that are evil in Korea, this one can be traced to the business culture. The pressure for plastic surgery now comes primarily in forms of sexist employers who favor attractive applicants – it’s that idea of the Korean management class still being stuck in the 80’s mindset. Until those guys get old and die off, this (among many other terrible trends in Korea) will continue.

      The one silver lining is that, for the first time we’re hearing complaints about issues like this from Koreans – meaning that the next generation of Koreans (the ones that are trying to get hired right now) thinks the status quo is bullshit. 20, maybe 30 years, and I expect South Korea to be a very different place.

      • bigmamat

        I was trying to find out exactly which men were driving this since most women’s fashion and whatever torture techniques we use to get there are a result of marketing ourselves to men.

        • Bryan Cheron

          The fashion industry is controlled mostly by women and gay men.
          And as for who women market themselves to, consider that a lot of women are more competitive with looks when there are no men around (look at Ehwa Women’s University, for example).

          • bigmamat

            Women are competitive with other women because their goal is too look good for men. Believe me, women don’t really wear those hideous shoes, pluck out all of their body hair, smear chemicals all over themselves, or go under the knife because they are trying to impress other women. Sure it’s a competition not unlike men who love to compete against each other for the alpha male position. The goal isn’t any different just the method.

      • Bryan Cheron

        The current generation may be different when they’re in charge, but often the oppressed become the oppressors, not the enlightened liberators, when they get power.
        And I’ve heard a lot of female office workers say that they prefer male bosses to female bosses, so don’t think women are necessarily any better.

        • bigmamat

          I understand why a lot of women don’t want to work for other women. I’ve experienced having both males and females being power hungry jerks. Usually though the women are more inclined to try and micro manage your personal life as well as your work life. I’ve never had to explain how sick I was to a man or go into detail about whatever family emergency I had with a male boss when I request a day off. Usually telling a man you’re sick or your car broke down is enough. Women bosses will ask you what’s wrong and how you’re going to fix it.

  • Guest23

    Aside from the plastic surgery culture there, not really surprising, but the stories about “She’s my mother not my sister” is surely gonna rise.

  • linette lee

    hahahahaha…..lol So ashamed of their own face and body. They probably get the combo package. Combo A or Combo B. All the same. lol. Buy one get one 1/2 off. PS needs maintenance. The face and nose will continue to change. Breast implants need to be taken out and resurgery. So much work and money. lol.

    • Shanghai Xui

      hahahahaha…lol… But you need one, going by your picture. Oh wait, maybe you had one already and that’s the result of plastic surgery gone bad!

      • linette lee

        I don’t need one because I am not ashamed of looking like my own biological mother. All people shouldn’t be afraid to look like their own mother. You sound like you are ashamed to look like your own mother you poor thing.

        • bigmamat

          I wish I looked like my own mother. My mother was a real beauty. My dad wasn’t bad either but as I get older I look more like him and I certainly have his body shape. Oh well, I’m way to old to be bothered by my looks anymore.

          The concept of minjok but yet a rejection of the actual physical appearance must leave at least some Koreans feeling pretty confused. We have a unique identity, unsullied by foreign blood but yet we reject our outward appearance. Appearance also seems to be a fairly passionate obsession with a lot of Koreans especially Korean women. Why is there no women’s movement in Korea? Why do Korean women seem so accepting of these standards and so willing to actively participate, or is that slowly changing?

          • linette lee

            You are pretty just the way you are. It’s all about being physically and mentally healthy.

          • bigmamat

            Yeah I had my day. I wasn’t so bad at least I had nice boobs. Yeah, and that’s not me, both of my eyes are at least the same size. lol

          • let me see your bewbs

          • bigmamat

            They aren’t that great anymore, but they were when I was young. I know at least one of the guys I dated didn’t know the color of my eyes.

          • David

            LMAO Yea, getting old is not so bad, worrying about what you look like is for kids. Although some of the Korean women teachers I work with are still very vain and they are in their late 40s. Not that they aren’t attractive women, but they are not turning heads the way they used to and it seems to bother them a lot. If you tell one she looks nice that day others will say something like “does that mean I don’t look nice” like some 15 year old girl. funny. Of course this is not all Korean women but some.

          • bigmamat

            Well from what I can gather it’s a lot better to grow old in Korea than it is in the U.S. Now that I am no longer young I’m pretty much invisible. There was a time when I had men holding doors for me and offering to help me with this or that. In the U.S if you are woman past a certain age you really have no value anymore. Once you loose your value as a sexual commodity it’s pretty much over. It’s no wonder women want to look young as long a possible.

          • chucky3176

            I thought you were working in China now?

          • Kiwi

            So I guess women who wear lipstick are ashamed of their mother’s lips?

            I’m sure beautiful people like you are happy with their looks, but people who are less fortunate were not born with pretty or even close to average looks so why punish them for something they can’t control?

            Adult women should be free to get plastic surgery without having to be shamed by people who are outsiders, those judging people with presumptuous remarks solely to hurt. So tell me, how does your original statement help the mental health of people who already had plastic surgery or does having good mental health not apply to them?

          • linette lee

            You are seriously comparing make up and hair dye to surgical procedures?

            I believe I was criticizing the culture and the society putting pressure on people. Not healthy. Also many of those people probably didn’t need PS anyway because they weren’t ugly. They were just trying to look “the standard” so they can compete in their environment.

          • Kiwi

            Yes I am, why else would they be putting makeup on if they are “not ashamed of looking like [their] own biological mother.” And no, you weren’t. It’s was an insult you are now disguising as constructive criticism. If you want plastic surgery, fine. If you don’t, also fine. Okay, so what’s is wrong with looking “the standard”. (I’m assuming standard = pretty). That’s was my point. Why shouldn’t they fix their disadvantage so they can compete in their environment? I think it’s great that Korea is so open about this, and how the beauty standard between men and women are so close to each other. What I don’t like, as you have said is the pressures it might put on other people. I am for one, an advocate freedom of choice in both directions

          • linette lee

            Helloooo, After putting on make up they still look like their biological moms. Like I said I was criticizing the culture and the society because it is getting out of control. Also why keep insisting it’s just permanent make up to go under the knife. This kind of teaching or saying is bad for the teenagers.

          • Jahar

            gotta hate that tainted foreign blood. The idea that it could ruin the master race is so scary!

          • shellfishbisque

            “…unsullied by foreign blood”

            *facepalm*

          • bigmamat

            Did I use the word wrong?

          • David

            No, it is the right word, but in Western countries talking about pure blood conjures up images of racial hatred and racial cleansing. I do not think you meant it like that.

          • chucky3176

            I don’t usually hear/read those words anymore from Koreans these days. All of the ones that I did hear from were from Western foreigners in Korea, usually with no Korean ability who keeps this talk alive by passing them around. The pure Korean blood theory was erased from Korean school textbooks in the mid 2000’s, and is no longer considered cool to use that word. It’s now been replaced by the term “multiculturalism” which are everywhere now as fashionable. Multiculturalism is the term that the media and the government constantly throws around, but most Koreans have no ideal what it really means (other than seeing more foreigners living in Korea). It doesn’t mean there aren’t exceptions, but in general, the term isn’t really that common anymore as political correctness on race, comes to Korea. Of course the thinking that ties Korean blood with Korean nation still hasn’t changed, but that too is under challenge these days. My point is that it’s all complicated now, it’s not black and white as you two guys make it out to be. You really need to read Korean perspectives to understand what is going on.

          • bigmamat

            I try to read Korean perspectives and I do think Korea is in the middle of a big cultural change. You wouldn’t expect the younger generation to hold the same views or even goals as the previous generations. Korea will almost be forced to accept and receive a larger expat community in the future if it’s going to continue to grow considering the problem it is having now with the birthrate. One thing Korea can do to ease it’s anxiety over it’s rapidly aging population is to promote a more friendly work atmosphere for it’s huge population of very well educated women. What I do hear a lot is how difficult it is for women to remain in the workforce after marriage and children. Korea certainly has some things it needs to work out culturally and economically as it moves forward.

          • bigmamat

            I certainly did not mean it as a criticism simply an observation. Korea isn’t anymore xenophobic, homophobic or misogynistic than any other country, including mine. It’s just a lot smaller, less populated and certainly more homogeneous. Actually because I noticed so many similarities in Korean culture with my own is the reason I became interested in the first place.

          • linette lee

            Which country are you from? You also from a small country?

          • bigmamat

            No I’m American.

          • linette lee

            That’s a big a55 country. No fear for low population. Americans are mixed race anyway. Meaning people from different countries living in USA. It’s mostly white, black, and Spanish.

          • bigmamat

            Yep, that’s us. Lots of pretty people in America. I see pretty people everyday. I think each generation just gets more beautiful. My kids are better looking than me and their dad. It’s like they both got the best of us and then some. Many of my friends children are the same way, better looking than their parents. I rarely see people that I find ugly. I think Americans in general are pretty good looking. I don’t travel so I don’t get to see Europeans or Asians first hand but it wouldn’t surprise me if it wasn’t the same.

          • linette lee

            Yes, I think so many Americans are naturally pretty too. But America has problem with obesity.

          • bigmamat

            Yeah I know about that first hand. I’m a fat chick. lol Now I was always healthy and strong as an ox but I have struggled with my weight all my life.

            The American obesity problem is very complex. Part of it is cultural and some of it is economic the rest is a side effect of modernity. There was a time in our history when a lot of people were hungry. There was a time in our history when people had to put in hard physical labor in order to get their food. Even today we have places in American where good healthy food is either unavailable or out of most people’s economic reach. We’ve done this to ourselves. When high calorie processed “fast food” and packaged food is cheaper and easier to obtain than good quality fresh food then you have a problem. People don’t want to be fat and unhealthy but it’s hard not to be.

          • bigmamat

            Facepalm until you turn red I don’t care. It’s a fact that Koreans have been proud of their homogeneous society. It’s a reaction to being invaded and colonized so many times in their history. It’s the reason the older generation is still so adamant that their children marry other Koreans. Granted it’s about more than just racial purity it’s about identity and nationalism too. Koreans needed something to set themselves apart from their invaders.

          • shellfishbisque

            Believe me, sir, I am well aware of the justification for nationalism here. Yet, hypernationalism remains hypernationalism, regardless of cause. It’s unhealthy. It creates conflicts with the neighbors and at home. “Unsullied blood” implies one’s blood can be sullied (dirty), and the idea of “dirty” blood leads to unfortunate beliefs and actions–like the mixed-race student in my school who gets called “dirty” by her classmates because of her Vietnamese mom. Love of one’s culture and people, but not nationalism, sir! It’s the healthy alternative! I tell that to my fellow Americans all the time, but they don’t listen…

          • bigmamat

            I agree it’s unhealthy. I also agree that hypernationalism is also unhealthy especially in my country where the cause isn’t the same as in SK but a huge dose of good old American hubris.

        • Zappa Frank

          great reply

      • bigmamat

        How old are you 12…shouldn’t you be over at one of the Kpop sites….

        • Kiwi

          Stfu, kpop is amazing

      • Yaminah Jamison

        …says the person with no avatar picture.

    • dk2020

      you know the 3rd largest market for plastic surgery is china right? after brasil and the us? smh..

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/31/top-plastic-surgery-countries-world_n_2590757.html#slide=2008458

  • takasar1

    expected

  • FYIADragoon

    Honestly, plastic surgery has always just been a permanent form of makeup to me. If you’ve ever dated a woman who was capable with makeup, you know just as well as I do that when it comes off, there’s a bit of a surprise. Breast surgeries are always a bit of a pity though. Fake ones never feel like the real thing.

    • Jahar

      The feel better than whatever cup size is below A though

      • FYIADragoon

        Never seen anything that small. Can’t form an opinion.

  • MyMotto

    This reminds me of a story my korean friend told me, a few of her friends got plastic surgery (think it was nose jobs) for their middle school graduations, but they all unknowingly went to the same doctor and came back to school looking like sisters.

    • YourSupremeCommander

      Look at them korean celebs, you dont think they all look too similar?

      • Sillian

        Who do you think look too similar among popular Korean celebs? Try it for real without assumptions.

        • bigmamat

          Commander must be talking about Idol groups, they seem to look very similar. But when you dress everyone alike and they’re all dancing the same dance to the same tune why wouldn’t they. Also, there was a lot of talk about the Miss Korea contest this year and the gif that showed the contestants very quickly that made them all look like a fertility experiment gone haywire. I watch a lot of Korean movies and even dramas. Korean entertainers don’t look alike any more than western entertainers. One thing I noticed even about western entertainers is that there are certain facial features people share that make them attractive. Dimples is a good example. People like dimples.

          • linette lee

            The problem we are talking about is this “standard” of beauty South Korea has in their society. Everyone must have the “standard” or else they are not consider pretty and they emphasize on look so much to the point it affect their work, marriage, school opportunities. It must be white skin, super skinny with big boobs, calf reduction, double eyelids, oval face, and pointy nose. And those are really not the typical look of natural Korean. So in order to get that 8 out of 10 girls get some work done because they know their lives depend on it. That is the pressure they have to endure if they want to get ahead in job market, marriages, and top school. The same with men but not as bad.

          • Sillian

            If you belong to the bottom half in the looks department, it can work against you in life but the general beauty standard is not that much strict. They want you to give pleasant first impressions. Then it just turns into individual competition and greed to stand out.

          • bigmamat

            Believe me every culture practices some form of “lookism”. It’s also mostly imposed on women although times are changing and men are becoming fair game for the same.

          • linette lee

            No, not to that level in other countries like USA. Yes,when it comes to work in USA they want you to be pleasant looking mostly by dressing nicely and professionally.

          • bigmamat

            You are right but being a pretty girl will open a lot of doors for you. People just think pretty means better. One thing everyone needs to learn is that smiling makes everyone look better.

          • Boris

            Not everyone. There are some people out there with bad teeth or a crooked smile…or some people have terrible smiles.

          • bigmamat

            Yeah that’s true but I was mostly talking about having a cheerful attitude. You don’t need perfect teeth for a good attitude.

          • Sillian

            The appearance ‘requirement’ is generally not that strict or rigid even in Korea unless you want to be a celebrity or some other professions that are particularly strict on your appearance. Beyond presenting clean and pleasant impressions, it’s not social pressure about beauty standards any more. Young people are just desperate to get even one inch ahead of other people by any means because the job market is rough.

          • dk2020

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekB88nOCcIU

            same thing in china… but at least koreans are more honest about it..

          • Sillian

            I can tell you actually watch Korean media. Idols are picked and styled for their group concepts but actors are a lot more individualistic with various roles.

            About the Miss Korea contest gif, haven’t we found that it was due to the excessive use of photoshop? They didn’t look like that at all in ‘real life’ pictures.

          • linette lee

            And the celebrities in USA they don’t look a like. They have different size, face shapes, skin colors, etc. Even big women can be considered beautiful. They don’t really have the “standard” requirement.

          • bigmamat

            We do have “standards” they aren’t as rigid and they are more diverse because we are diverse. Believe me there was a time when a black women couldn’t even get into the Miss America pageant let alone win it. That wasn’t just about racism either. Now some of our great beauties are African American and Latino women.

            One thing I noticed about good looking celebrities is that a lot of them share similar physical traits. So much so to the point that many of them can be categorized. Sort of like a phenotype. Do you know how many good looking American actors look pretty much like Rob Lowe, or James Brolin or Brad Pitt? You think not. How many of them have blue eyes or chin dimples, lots of them. How many of our celebrity women have similar facial features, big blue or green eyes, full lips, skinny frames. Yes, we are more free to deviate from only one standard of beauty but not by much.

          • dk2020

            SMH.. you really believe USA is a utopia huh? Brainwashed by Hollywood lol..

          • linette lee

            You are brainwashed by your kpop. You silly boy. By the way. You know kpop has a formula right?

            1)plastic surgery
            2)a group of YOUNG girls or boys because there’s got to be at least one member in the group that will get popular so the group guaranteed success.
            3)use western song writers
            4)use western choreographers
            5) plagiarize or sampling popular songs from western countries to guarantee it will be a hit song.

          • Sillian

            While dk absurdly generalized his personal experience, you’ve consistently shown your ignorance about Korean ent. Korean companies don’t care about the nationality of their contributors. Ofc, there are some western talents including Korean Americans working for them but they are in the minority.

          • linette lee

            So you are telling me kpop artists produce their own music album and write their own songs like lady gaga, justin bieber, and Jay chou? Kpop artist are musicians?

          • Sillian

            Whenever you talk about K-pop, it’s very obvious you don’t know much. Why do you even comment then? Now you changed the focus to producing their own music. Most idols don’t write their own music but there are a few idols who do. Big Bang’s GD is well known for that. I don’t know what you exactly refer to by K-pop artists here but there are many Korean pop music artists who directly participate in producing their music. Also, you don’t have to write your own music to be called musicians.

          • linette lee

            Well in many countries that is the definition of a “musician”. Being able to compose needs to under music. That is a skill knowledge that needs to be learned and it is a talent.

            Okay, maybe they are not composers but are there really any amazing singers among Kpop artists like Whitney Houston or josh groban. Seriously?

          • dk2020

            who the fuck is josh groban?

          • linette lee

            are YOu a dumba55? You gangster boy lol. You never heard of You raise me up?

          • Sillian

            Being a musician isn’t only about creating music but this is just a matter of definition.

            are there really any amazing singers among Kpop artists like Whitney Houston or josh groban.

            It depends on what aspects of their vocal skills you are talking about. There are many talented vocalists in Korea as there are so many singers. They can be popular idols, less known singers or even random contestants on audition programs. It’s something you can easily figure out for your own taste if you actually pay attention to Korean popular music beyond your prejudice. Many people may choose Ailee these days for a famous female belter in K-pop.

          • linette lee

            Ailee? Ok. I will check so you won’t say I am prejudice.

          • Sillian

            Coincidentally, she covered a few songs by Whitney Houston. You can just youtube ‘ailee whitney houston’ later.

          • linette lee

            Ailee is a good singer. She sings well. She is pretty too.

          • Cyberia

            She’s nothing compared to Sohyang. Sohyang >>> all those kpop idols, including ailee, hyorin, or whatever their serial numbers are.

          • Sillian

            Yes Sohyang is very talented. Just not as much known.

          • Cyberia

            Okay, well, not even just her. Like 90% of the singers on ‘The Voice’ Korea sing better than those kpop humanoids.

          • linette lee

            Chinese also, So many Chinese old women sing extremely well on the Chinese TV shows. Very loud and broad vocal range, except they are really not that good looking to be a star. They can sing Whitney Houston and Celine Dion songs easy. lol.

          • chucky3176

            There’s so many Koreans taking vocal lessons trying to breakthrough to fame, so now her voice (which is pretty good) is like dime a dozen. I wish that same kind of energy and enthusiasm could be given toward live bands and live groups who can make their own creative music. I’m harking back to the heydays of American/British music in the 50’s, 60’s, and 70’s, came out with incredible onslaught of artists and rock groups. Unfortunately now a days, American music is no better than Kpop – mass produced crap written by professional song writers. There’s lot of good voices and good dancers in Korea, they just need to find and discover more real musicians and artists. Unfortunately, what I’m talking about is still considered “underground music” in Korea.

          • Well said chucky.
            Nothing is as much fun as going to see a band you have never heard of at some cheap venue and coming out of the gig declaring you have had the best night. Got tickets to the prodigy for five quid in the early 90s never heard of them, blew my mind, Hell sasha and digweed free at student gigs, pj harvey, who he? lol. The list goes on.
            Got cheap tickets to Eddie Izzard in his early days about 25 people turned up to the venue, It was so empty he asked us to move to the front seats and bunch together so he could do his show we did and he did a full stand up routine laughed so much that night.
            Don’t be sheep waiting to be told who is great go find out for yourself, some may not be what you wanted but some are unforgettable.
            Plastic surgery please, too bizzy living, my daughter looks like me when I was younger she is my legacy and I love her spirit more than anything .

            Left Ireland at 17 for London, my mother cried but I sent what I could home and yes I paid tax, as an irish immigrant I loved the every day, cool english people and the amazing music scene, I love this song.
            sums up, some peoples attitudes for me
            http://youtu.be/ewRjZoRtu0Y

          • Cyberia

            You don’t think millions of people are trying to break into the American market? It’s no different. Kpop is crap, same with American top 40. Obviously American music is good – you just have to know where to look.

          • bigmamat

            Yes, there are amazing singers and musicians that are Korean. The reason Kpop is so insidious for the Korean music industry is that it is government sanctioned and pretty much the ONLY music that gets promoted on Korean television. Everything else is considered “indie”. Not to be confused with American 90s era “indie”. Korean “indie” can be anything from punk like Crying Nut to electro pop Glen Check or thrash metal like Vassline. Anything that isn’t idol produced is “indie” including hard core rap and hip hop and R & B. The idol production companies have a lock on the market and that’s unfortunate. They keep wanting to “break” into the American market and that’s a mistake. Americans don’t usually embrace music from foreign markets unless it has something more to offer than a tired slickly packaged version of what we’ve already got.

          • dk2020

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8SJxqMUCEs

            Jay Park does.. I like this kid he’s from Seattle.. most Kpop artists I like are Korean Americans.. Drunken Tiger, Solid, Lena Park etc..

          • linette lee

            I can’t watch Youtube at work. I will watch later.

          • bigmamat

            See that’s my real pet peeve. Drunken Tiger and Tasha Reid if ever there were a couple of Koreans that deserved a chance in the American market it was them. Tiger is Korean but he was living out in LA during the 92 riots and tired to get a foothold in the rap scene early in NY. He had to go to Korea and even there he met resistance to the genre. Of course now he’s the Godfather of Korean Rap and his wife is the Queen. She grew up in Texas and didn’t even speak Korean when she started her career there. When Jay Park came home fired from his first boy band in Korea he ended up working in a car wash until he made that youtube video that got him back working in Korea. What a shame though that a talented kid had to go halfway across the world to work because Asians can’t get a break to do anything but play ninjas.

          • linette lee

            If he writes all his music then he is talented. But I am not into this song or his dance in this MV.

      • dk2020

        Koreans look similar because it’s still 98% homogeneous.. and yeah they still look Korean after PS..

        • cha

          NO. they don’t look like koreans after, they look like eurasians. thats the whole point, trying not to look asian. do you really think someone can be born natuarally with the features of someone who’s had plastic surgery? don’t make me laugh. sure, I see natural koreas with small v shaped faces, huge eyes, long skinny tall noses, pale white skin, small pink lips, colored eyes and hair ALL THE TIME. Koreans are born like this… it’s not surgery “sarcasm”

          • Sillian

            Whether you like it or not, some Asians are naturally born like that. And most people who get plastic surgery don’t go as far as you would see in extreme plastic surgery ads or sensational media reports.

          • Exactly.

            They don’t want to look like white people. If you look at the people who are considered national beauties, like Kim Tae Hee or Song Hye Kyo, they look distinctly Korean. In my childhood I interacted with a lot of Asians who had these very features. It’s not all about white people.

    • Kiwi

      I think you failed to realize that Asians look the same to begin with

      • linette lee

        racist statement.

        • Kiwi

          I’m Asian, we do look alike.

          • linette lee

            maybe look similar but not exactly the same. Just like White people look similar but not the same.

          • Cyberia

            Okay, “Asians all looking alike” isn’t even a thing in Asia. It’s a thing that stupid white people made up. Then people like Kiwi who move to areas inhabited by dumb white people buy into it.

          • haha

            kiwi aye .new zealand land of sheep and hobbits.

          • Cyberia

            It’s called being self-hating. Internalized racism is the phrase you’re looking for.

          • Kiwi

            I hope this feeds your azn pride
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-n7aeqMzis

          • europeans look the same too. Im an asian living in UK and i feel like they all have the same face.. idk if its just me or..

      • Cyberia

        Yeah, I’m pretty sure I don’t look like you. And every Asian person I know can tell others apart, unless they were twins. Is your community incestual or something?

        • Kiwi

          You sound hurt, let me put some cream on that butt hurt

  • UserID01

    So I guess the whole “aging gracefully” thing is brushed off as a ridiculous concept for mothers with too much money and too little self esteem? I would find it creepy if my mother insisted on looking like me at 16 when she was in her 40s.

    • bigmamat

      I haven’t heard of aging gracefully in a long time. Certainly hiding your age with botox and surgery isn’t unique to Korea.

      • UserID01

        Oh, certainly not, but the theory that it’s being done specifically to look like your child is very strange indeed. I look more like my father than my mother. If my mom got plastic surgery to look like ME and not simply a younger version of herself, that’s just creepy.

  • what do korean women really even look like??????????

    • deftons

      North Koreans don’t have as much plastic surgery. If you want to know what Korean women look like, look at North Korean or Northeastern Chinese women.

  • Guest

    Look, if the mother was naturally hot enough to get the father to marry her, one day that daughter would be hot enough to attract a son-in-law without any deceptive and dangerous surgery.

    • Sillian

      The father also contributes for half. Good-looking (judged by general standards) parents don’t always produce good-looking children. Average-looking parents can produce good-looking children. The probabilities don’t seem to be very strict.

      • bigmamat

        I can attest to that since I inherited my father’s looks more so than my mothers. He was an attractive man but I would rather have looked like my mother.

        • Sillian

          Yeah, we should all know from experience that siblings can look very different from each other. The random dice rolling of nature.

          Same parents, different looks.

          • bigmamat

            I had two children, a girl and boy. I am a brown eyed brunette, fair and slightly freckled. My husband had dark brown hair and green eyes, but he was slightly olive skinned. Both of my children were blond when they were little, one of them has blue hazel eyes the other brown. When they were little people used to ask me if I was the babysitter.

          • Sillian

            Interesting. I’m not very familiar with how Caucasian features are inherited. Some Asians occasionally have light hair or eyes but I guess it is due to random mutations.

          • bigmamat

            Blue eyes are a recessive trait and also a mutation. My mother had light hair as a child and so did two of their aunts. My daughter looks like my younger sister they both have the same color eyes. My son looks like his father just quite a bit taller. Although my son has the brown eyes like me. His father’s were green. They’re kind of a stew. lol

  • chucky3176

    So how do they equate the surge of 40 and 50 year olds getting surgery with “trying to cover up their daughter’s surgery past”? What are the numbers? Are we talking about tens, hundreds, thousands? And compared to what? And was there a poll done asking the reasons from these mothers? Did they actually say they were getting it done to hide their daughter’s surgery? This is odd because Koreans are very forthright and unashamed of admitting they went under the knife, why would anyone try to hide it when there is no social stigma attached to plastic surgery? No numbers, no mention of what polls, no stats, just some vague reasoning by taking an example of one family then applying to all without any credible facts to back up their assertions. Sounds just like another typical Korean media sensationalizing a story to sell papers.

    If the newspapers are aiming to do some kind of good social deeds, instead of trying to sound like intellectuals, they should actually do something about all their plastic surgery ads that appear in their newspapers. They are annoying as hell. Not to mention all the plastic surgery clinic ads that appear everywhere on streets and train stations. Seriously speaking, the government should step in and prevent such ads appearing everywhere. It’s not because they are only offensive, but much of it is false advertisement. Recent study found that most of the plastic surgery advertisement showing before and after pictures were mostly manipulated and enhanced pictures. Pushing women to do something that may not be really achievable in reality by using false advertisement, is what we call fraud.

    • Sillian

      Those plastic surgery clinic ads can be troublesome. It seems there is no specific regulation about them in Korea. France even outlawed such ads in 2005.

      http://www.trust.org/item/20120316201600-8s4hr/

      I get the impression that the Korean government is promoting plastic surgery as an industry.

      • bigmamat

        Considering chuck is a free market true believer I find it a little strange that he would suggest the government intervene in the ability of an industry to advertise it’s product.

  • commander

    In times when double eye lids and nose surgeries are no longer a skeleton in the closet, mother’s lying on the operating tabe to conceal her daughter’s plastic surgery highlights how different a person the daughter turns into after the procedure.

    Initially intended to spare her daughter looks complex, the surgery for mothers and daughters will is a secret thry are eager to hide.

    What is surprising is that people around them remain silent about what they looked like before the procedure.

    All of those people have now become a kind of accomplices in having a secret.

  • Doghot

    Wow. “Unsullied by foreign blood.” Could you sound anymore xenophobic, Bigmamat?

    • bigmamat

      Sorry but I couldn’t think of a better way to describe minjok. You are aware that Koreans take pride in the fact that they are Korean and that for at least a couple of generations have remained a “homogeneous” society. That’s why the older generation is often so adamant about their children marrying other Koreans. It’s a reaction to being invaded so many times and colonized so many times. It’s more than just a concept of ethnic purity it is also about nationalism and pride. I didn’t invent this shit off the top of my head. Look it up.

      • David

        This is true to a certain extent. When I had my Korean students write an essay last year, the topic was “Should Korean people date/marry non-Koreans”. 7th-11th grade all wrote absolutely not. The reasons they gave were basically all; what you would expect to hear from their parents (mixed blood is not good, too many women will leave Korea, nobody will play with the poor kids and they will be lonely, it will hurt the population of Korea). Now this does not represent the opinion of ALL Koreans of course, we know many women and men date and do marry foreigners. My students are all from upper middle/lower upper class income/social standings so this probably makes a difference.

        • bigmamat

          There is a debate about this even in the U.S. Asian population. Marital figures show that Asian women marry outside of their race more often than men. This is attributed to the fact that men are still viewed as carrying on family lines.

          • A Pinky Promise

            Nah… That’s mostly because American media keeps portraying Asian men as the most unattractive ethnic group.

          • Zappa Frank

            i think is also because a usualy a society is more likely to accept foreigner women than men, regardless their races..

          • dk2020

            white men in the military had a long head start on marrying foreign brides too..all my mixed friends are military brats.. it was illegal for minorities to marry white women too..

          • Zappa Frank

            well, illegal mixing marriage is not exactly something recent and i remember it was for both, male and female… Even war brides are something from the ’70s at least.
            But my consideration was general, not just about US.

          • dk2020

            It’s not really equal though, white men still dominate Hollywood..things are changing with the popularity of Kpop but that’s very recent.. don’t underestimate how influential media is..

          • Zappa Frank

            as said we’re not just talking about US, nor just about Korea or asia.
            In any society people are more willing to accept foreigners girls than men, easy to understand the reason.
            Kpop, i don’t know in US, in europe i’ve never heard about…
            You are right that white men still dominate hollywood and that may push a certain kind of beauty standards, but let’s consider that US is a country where actually (not in future eventually) most are whites, their movies are done for white people, since they do movies for money why should they use other races?… if it spreads eventually to other countries is just their own fault..not american.

          • bigmamat

            The country is still mostly white. Here are the figures, Latino 16%, African American 13% Asian 5%. So there you have it, Asians are also a smaller population of minority than black and Latino. You wouldn’t be wrong if you said there were stereotypes about Asians in the U.S. We are a nation full of stereotypes. Asians have to change the perception and stand up for more representation in the media if they want it. What you think white people just handed black people a place in the media and the national consciousness? You’re too funny, they had to fight to get their place. If Asian men don’t like being portrayed as nerds and ninjas then they will have to do the same thing. Large groups of people don’t just wake up one day and decide to allow others into their domain for no reason.

          • dk2020

            Jews own 95% of Hollywood..and there is still lots of racism against black people..that’s why I say Kpop is changing perceptions..it’s a subculture though..

          • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

            Kpop will not change anything on its own. It is a niche market.

            The only ones who can change stereotypes are the people being stereotyped. That means Asian guys have to do something about it. Asian people have to do something about it. Simply put, the Asians born and/or raised in the states are the ones who will changed how they are viewed in the media, not something from half way around the world.

          • dk2020

            Are you Asian? I’m just saying the first thing a non-Korean says now when I tell them I’m Korean is they love Kpop and Korean food..I appreciate that..

          • Sillian

            What are the demographic background of those people usually?

          • bigmamat

            No but I would say I like Kim Ki duk movies and galbi is good but kimchi smells like old tennis shoes.

          • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

            I am from a South Asian background from England. In the UK, Asians refers to Pakistanis, Indians, Sri Lankans and Bengalis. East Asian refers to Chinese, Japanese and Koreans, and South East Asians to everything else (more or less).

            Bollywood movies and songs are quite popular among the UK Asian (South Asian) community though this is just a niche and will not help UK Asians to become more mainstream. The problem for UK Asians are that we are typecast but that is slowly changing. Much slower than the US Asians (East Asians) in the US.

            What is changing that more Asians are moving into acting and other media roles, so this will see less stereotypes. But it takes time and it takes people to change them. Bollywood will not help change how British Asians are viewed just as Kpop will not help change how American Asians are viewed.

            Most of the Americans I know either haven’t heard of Kpop or mistake it for Jpop or only know Psy (and the ones that do know what it is don’t really care for it). Same goes for the Brits. We’re going to meet different people and it’s been some years since I have been to the states. Right now, most of the Americans I know are working round where I live.

          • bigmamat

            Yeah and Kpop is going to change the perception of Korean masculinity. Pretty soon all those camo clad, gun toting skin heads are going to throw off their Marlboro man ingrained ideas and start wearing guyliner, floppy fades and skinny jeans. lol

          • dk2020

            I guess you don’t know about the emo/scene trend because that’s basically how they dress..

          • bigmamat

            Talk about a deluded fanboy….

          • bigmamat

            Kpop has no effect on Asian males in American media. Most Americans don’t know shit about Kpop, never heard of it. Asian males are making ground in the media because they’ve worked at getting recognized. Believe me do not go claiming to a bunch of Asian Americans that kpop made it possible for them to change their image I don’t think you’ll get much agreement. They’ll probably laugh their asses off at you.

          • dk2020

            Well I’m Asian American and trust me I’ve noticed a difference. Breaking ground in the media? How many Asian men are on TV? Glenn from The Walking Dead and Hawaii 5-0..how many Asian men are in movies? You live in the South right? Is there even a sizable Asian community where you live? I live in Los Angeles where it’s way more diverse. California is the most diverse state in the country with Asian Americans being 13% of the population.. and I have dated other races.. my baby mama is Mexican American but go ahead and believe those stats..

          • bigmamat

            Yeah we don’t have a large Asian community where I live but all the Asian American boys I know date white girls. Your experience is different. I get it that a lot of California Asians are butthurt over their treatment. You do realize that there are these kind of racial tensions in all of our big cities where you have large populations of minorities that live side by side but basically separate don’t you? The dynamic is different and your parents kept your communities separate and their kids separate. I have a lot of experience with 2nd generation mixed race Asians Americans. Those boys become soldiers and ball players and anything they want to be. They date white girls and nobody calls them nerds or treats them like second class citizens and gets away with it. Mostly because they are the sons of American military men and they were not raised in immigrant households. They were raised with a sense of entitlement to their place here in America. Two of the Asian American boys I know are Marines. I dare anyone to tell either of them they don’t belong.

          • dk2020

            I’m not butthurt over anything..communities kept separate? what? Lmao that’s kinda hard to do when Koreatown is mostly Latino. My friends are diverse but I mostly grew up with Mexicans and Filipinos..

          • bigmamat

            Ok then what the hell are you whining about then if you don’t feel ostracized by the overall society? The ways Asians are portrayed in the media? I guess I need to repeat myself then, if Asians don’t like the way the media portrays them then they will have to change the perception. You’re talking about Kpop like anyone outside of the big cities knows anything about it. But they do know Lucy Lui, Steven Yeun, John Cho, Bruno Mars, Sandra Oh and Daniel Dae Kim like you mentioned. There are more Asians in popular entertainment than ever before.

            If you want more representation in media of Asians Kpop is not going to be it. Kpop will never have more than a niche market in the U.S. It’s also a huge stretch to think Kpop will ever change any perceptions about Asian men in America that’s for sure. I showed my daughter a picture of Psy, GDragon and Snoop Dog this morning because pictures are out on the video that Psy is making with Snoop Dog in it. She looked at GDragon and said, “He looks like a girl”. He was wearing a fucking plaid suit. I’m like he’s wearing a suit! She said, “Mom, he’s cute, he looks like a 16 year old girl”.

          • dk2020

            Lmaooo.. I would expect that response from a little white girl from the South where theres with hardly any Asians except military thats why your perceptions are that way from the stereotypes.. fuck Hollywood..you have to sell out and cater to white people being the main audience..

          • Zappa Frank

            you mean that for your standard this Gdragon is not girlish? i’ve seen pictures on internet right now, i think sometime he disguises as girl on pourpose…am i wrong?

          • dk2020

            So? and some girls love it.. most pretty boys are feminine looking so its subjective.. a popular manga in South Korea and Japan is called boy love and it has gay themes, the main audience is girls.. different cultural norms..

          • Zappa Frank

            yes sure, i wasn’t arguing about this.. i was just curious to understand.

          • bigmamat

            Right… and American teens are supposed to figure that out on their own when they have their own problems with gender and race. Maybe you haven’t been keeping up on current events in this country outside of Korea Town but there’s been a huge fight about gay marriage going on here. We’ve got politicians at a national level bashing gays in the media everyday in order to pander to the Christian Right. We’ve got transvestites competing on television for who’s the most fabulous. We’ve got celebrities and sports figures emerging from the closet almost everyday. What you don’t see is a bunch of 20 something guys dancing around in glitter and lipstick with girls swooning all over them. What are American kids supposed to intuit that these guys aren’t gay when every signal they’ve ever received as a mark of masculinity involves exactly the opposite? Sounds a little like the shtick “you’re going to hell if you don’t except Jesus” Oh “Jesus, who’s that?” Heathen, you’re going to hell. Well gay comic books aren’t very popular over here with American girls. Sorry.

          • dk2020

            uh… justin bieber and one direction aren’t feminine looking? okay.. I’m just saying some girls are more open minded by listening to kpop.. smh.. I’m just using that example as media is influential..

          • bigmamat

            Yeah guys think the Beebs is gay but he in no way looks like the average Kpop idol. Don’t even try. I have noticed that lately the Kpop boys are putting on more leather and fake tattoos in lieu of the shiny suits and spandex pant suits. Certainly girls have been known to idolize boys with guyliner and tight pants. It was called the 80s and glam rock was pretty popular. It could go that way. We just so happen to be in a serious homophobic crisis right now whipped up by the Christian Right and their apocalyptic version of giving gays rights. Not exactly the right time to be promoting skinny guys with blue hair and more makeup on than the average Jersey Shore club bunny.

          • bigmamat

            I don’t get your attitude. Exactly what is your problem? You would like to see more Asians in Hollywood movies? Fine, I think there are people working on that. I know there’s a whole group on Youtube from your area but it’s mostly a comedy site. You seem to think it’s the southern white girl’s fault that there are no Asians around. You also seem to think that it’s her fault GDragon and his ilk look like girls dancing around in their pink hair, shiny outfits and lipstick. Especially when she has her own tribe of bearded, shaved head, Mossy Oak wearing, truck driving assholes as a model for masculinity. She watches Korean movies with me and never says anything about the men looking like girls. Maybe it’s the almighty Kpop that’s giving Korean guys the sissy boy image.

          • Alex Dương

            You make it sound like it’s Asian Americans who aren’t putting forth the effort to change things. That’s not true. Justin Lin’s directorial debut had a hard time being financed not because potential producers thought the script sucked but because Lin insisted that the main characters be Asian American.

            http://youtu.be/maCj-swWJPk?t=39s

          • linette lee

            YOu do understand why the most talented best looking Asian males or females are not working in Hollywood right? It is because they can do much better in their own entertainment industry. Hollywood don’t go making many movies about Asian countries like three kingdoms or some ancient Asian characters. They make movies like American soldiers , Shakespeare characters or Marvel comic book characters and none of them are Asians. And Chinese has a very big film industry so the actors can make very good money. No reasons for them to have their career in Hollywood.

          • Alex Dương

            Why are Asians limited to Asian characters whereas whites can play anything (including non-whites) in Hollywood? This is where your attitude is wrong. Thankfully, progress is very slowly being made. Aziz Ansari has jokingly mentioned how his last roles have been “Randy, Chet, and Tom.”

          • linette lee

            I know right. They use White actors to play non white characters and that is really stupid. How can you take the acting seriously if you have a White girl portraying Mulan?

          • bigmamat

            Well, white actors don’t often put on black face anymore so I’m assuming you’re referring to whites pretending to be Asian like maybe in Cloud Atlas? Yeah I suppose that was an unfortunate choice since it hurt so many Asian feelings. Nobody seemed to notice though that Halley Berry played a white girl in that movie. I suppose the Wachowskis thought maybe if they did a little racial mix up with everyone nobody would object. Oh well the movie sucked anyway. I was excited for Bae Doona because she’s Korean and I like her. Too bad nobody went to see it. I know that whites have played Asians in film before but it’s not done that often now. Asians play Asians now at least that much progress has been made. Also Asian men are getting roles that are less and less stereotypical. Remember it is a white male dominated society and old white guys are hanging on to it with their wrinkled, liver spotted hands as tightly as they can.

          • Alex Dương

            I’m talking about 21, Speed Racer, and The Last Airbender, all of which were made in the last decade. And if you are stating that “old white guys are hanging on to [the system” as hard as they can, then you know that the situation persists not for lack of trying from Asians.

          • bigmamat

            Yeah I get it. I’m actually on your side. I really would like to see more Asians fairly represented in media.

            Wait a minute. Nobody played Asian in those movies. I thought you were talking about white people dressing up to look and act like Asians in movies and media. You’re suggesting that Americans can’t make remakes of popular Asian stories with white people instead, right? You’re calling that racist? I call shenanigans. Why should American movie makers feel guilty about picking up on a good story and remaking it for their target audience? That’s not racism. Asians borrow stories from western society and remake them for Asians as well. It’s not the same thing as pretending to be Asian when you have plenty of Asian actors that can play Asian.

          • Alex Dương

            I’m not talking about yellowface. That’s out of fashion, though it was still practiced as recently as the 1990s (e.g. Kung Fu: The Legend Continues). I’m talking about whitewashing.

            21 is an adaptation of a book whose main characters were based on Jeff Ma and Mike Aponte, both Asian American. In the film, the main characters are white. This is what I meant earlier when I said it doesn’t make sense that whites can play anyone but Asians can at most play “themselves.”

            And this is why I disagree with your attitude. It contributes to the problem, even though you say you agree with me. When Asians can play non-Asians as regularly as whites play non-whites, then I’ll say everything’s fine. Until then, whitewashing is a problem.

          • bigmamat

            Ok so 21 was a book about Asian Americans and they made it into a story with white guys, right? Ok well maybe that is a fail? I’d have to think about that for a minute. I still maintain that it wasn’t racist to take The Seven Samurai and make it into the The Magnificent Seven. Nor was it racist make The Departed as an American version of Infernal Affairs. What is racist is for us to continually portray Asians as ninjas, little funny horny guys, evil Dragon Ladies, submissive wives, computer nerds, crazed Anime porn addicts, marauding Huns, Jackie Chan, Mr. Miyagi, love you big time fucky fucky….you get the picture. Borrowing good stories from another culture isn’t racist if anything it’s the opposite.

            You just don’t like it because most Americans don’t know the origin is Asian. Yeah, that’s unfortunate. Most Americans have no idea how much our culture has been influenced by Asians other than Chinese take out. I get it. They don’t know enough about Asian culture to recognize it when it’s part of their everyday lives. I didn’t either until I became interested in Asian culture. I’m holding out hope that will change with time.

          • Alex Dương

            Borrowing isn’t the problem. Whitewashing is the problem. If Hollywood wants to make a live action version of The Last Airbender, which is an American cartoon to begin with, that’s not a problem. But if Hollywood wants to actively whitewash the film by purging the Chinese writing and replacing it with meaningless gibberish and ensuring that all the leads are white and only the background characters can be Asian, hmm, that’s something different, isn’t it?

            It’s not that most Americans don’t know 21’s based on Asian Americans. It’s that the studio actively and consciously chose to make the leads white when the original characters were not. Again, do you see the difference? It’s not passive ignorance; it’s an active decision.

            The same was true with the Justin Lin example I gave you earlier. The producer who originally offered full financing knew perfectly well that the script’s characters were Asian American. He consciously attached a string to his offer: if you want my money, rewrite the characters to be white. You can’t say he didn’t know the characters were originally Asian.

          • bigmamat

            You’re talking about Better Luck Tomorrow. Yeah, I tried to find it on Netflix and it wasn’t there, I’d like to see it. That’s OK Justin Lin is the creator of one of the most successful movie franchises in recent movie history. I think he did alright for himself. That is where Asians are making a breakthrough, the movie industry. You claim Hollywood shuts Asians out but there are lots of Hollywood insiders and top professionals who are very willing to work with Asian directors. Whitewashing sucks but just like any other industry Hollywood money is controlled by people who aren’t always film makers, they’re MBAs and been counters. They’re risk adverse.

          • linette lee

            Thank you. I’ve been trying to explain to these kpop cuckoos for a long time. Asians are gaining ground because of number of Asians increased in USA and more and more Asians working as professionals and more wealthy ones migrate to USA. They are hard working bunch and very competitive. A lot of them graduated from good universities. That is why you have more and more China town or K town or whatever. Not like the old days the only Asians were Chinese peasants sold here to work on railroads.

          • dk2020

            FOB immigrants and Asian Americans are different too.. I was born in Gardena but I still get treated like a foreigner..

          • linette lee

            How are FOB immigrants and Asian Americans different? I am FOB immigrant because I was born in HK and still live there for few weeks or months annually. Chinese is my first language I read and write. But living in America I don’t feel the non Asian Americans treat me or American Asian any different.

          • dk2020

            You were visiting not living here and you’re not American.. citizenship and culture is the big difference..

          • linette lee

            I do live in USA with citizenship and I do understand the USA culture very well. I think many USA folks also retain a bit of their cultural and ethnic identity. Like the 3 generation Italians, they still have a bit of that Italian culture in them. Most Americans are like that. The Irish, Polish…etc.

          • dk2020

            smh.. you’re an anchor baby? sure …

          • linette lee

            anchor baby? No, I can live in both places. I never gave up the citizenship of both places.

          • bigmamat

            That’s because you still live in Gardena. If you moved here nobody would be as inclined to treat you as different. Especially since you’re a native English speaker. You keep forgetting you’re living in a big country. You keep forgetting that even white people have their own “tribal” differences and often stereotype each other. You really think a bunch of New York elitists don’t think they have more in common with their Asian American pediatrician than they do the guys on Duck Dynasty? Think again. It’s like you accused me earlier of living in my white southern bubble. You live in your West Coast urban bubble.

          • dk2020

            No thanks, I’ve been to Ohio and Boston and really didn’t like it..I love the diversity in California next to Hawaii it’s Asian Americans second home in the US..

            http://occupywallstreet.net/story/explaining-white-privilege-broke-white-person

          • bigmamat

            It’s a little warmer down here and while we don’t have many exclusively Asian communities we do have shit load of American military and retired military. Which means we have a lot of families with mothers that aren’t from America that includes Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese and Filipino. My uncle was married to a Filipino. She passed away about ten years ago but my cousins mom was Filipino. One is a Marine he lives out there on the west coast. The other is married to a guy in the AF and they live in South Carolina. I see them infrequently now that everyone is living so far apart.

          • linette lee

            You and your k pop again?? hahahaha..lol. What is up with Korean and Kpop? Even the Chinese don’t go talk about Chinese kung fu movies every 2 seconds. hahaha…lol.

          • Alex Dương

            No, exceptions to anti-miscegenation laws were made for white men marrying non-white women.

          • bigmamat

            That’s only partly true. Media isn’t responsible for everything. I don’t believe that the culture is as heavily influenced by media as people think, more like the other way around. Media reflects the culture. I’m not going to argue that Asians in America don’t have stereotypes to deal with they do. It’s just not the only reason why Asian men choose not to marry non Asians. Asians have their own reasons that contribute.

          • dk2020

            SMH.. Asian Americans and Hispanics are way more open to interracial dating/marriage.. Asian American men date/marry at 20% while Asian American women at 35%.. this isn’t Korea either, I’ve never heard of anybody getting disowned or anything like that..

          • bigmamat

            Probably not anymore. I’m old enough to be your mother most likely. The Korean women I know came here either when they were children or when they married a service member. One of my lady friends was disowned and didn’t return home for almost 20 years. But she’s more from my generation than yours. Her kids don’t identity Korean at all. Neither speak the language or care if they learn it. My daughter had a friend in high school that was Korean American he didn’t speak Korean either. She also had a friend that was Vietnamese American he does speak his mother’s language and he has a Korean girlfriend. His family owns a couple of Japanese hibachi restaurants. He met his girlfriend in college. My son has a Korean American friend but he’s 3rd generation, his grandmother came here as a war bride. It depends on how you came to be here sometimes that determines your experience. Newer immigrants often have a different experience.

          • dk2020

            Most Asians didn’t immigrate to the US until after 1965 because of the Asian Exclusion Act, that’s unfortunate that they don’t identify or speak Korean and I pretty sure the mother tells them not to marry or associate with Koreans also. Lots of hapa kids who are military brats are told that by their mothers, but most Americans will see them as Asian.. there is internalized racism among minorities too..

          • bigmamat

            I don’t think they’ve been told not to marry or date Korean. There really aren’t enough Koreans around for them to have much of a dating pool. I will tell you one thing. Taking the women out of Korea does not take Korea out of them. They are straight up helicopter moms, at least the women I know. I have one that calls me regularly and pumps me for information about what her 26 year old son is doing. He works with me and she knows we talk. He’s a friend of my nephew so we’ve known them for years. She can’t stand it if she can’t micro manage every aspect of this life. I feel kind of sorry for her because both of her kids are straight up American and independent as hell. She has a lot more trouble getting her daughter to comply with her wishes than her son. They fight constantly. The dad is a typical “I’m staying out of this” kind of dad until it gets out of hand.

          • Alex Dương

            Unconditionally, 20% of Asian American men are married to non-Asian women. If you trusted the media, you’d think it was 0%.

          • Alex Dương

            I don’t know whether this trend will continue, but recently, Asian American men and women have both seen decreases in their interracial marriage rates. Why? Intraracial but interethnic marriage rates have increased significantly.

            Your guess that “men carry family lines” can’t explain the increase in intraracial / interethnic marriage rates among Asian Americans.

          • bigmamat

            Yeah I saw that article too a couple of months ago. I don’t think they have an explanation for it yet since the shift was unpredictable.

          • dk2020
          • bigmamat

            Thanks for sharing he’s hilarious and cute as hell….Japanese the gay the away…that was a good one…

          • dk2020

            yeah,. I’ve been to a couple of his shows .. really funny guy,, it’s just frustrating when you’re a minority in the US and we still live in a culture of white supremacy.. you keep trying to put me down as not a man based on g-dragon.. but I am a man and a father.. you don’t know how important it is to see others like you in the media..

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzKBGtf0i0M

          • bigmamat

            I’m not trying to put you down. I apologize if you feel that way. I also don’t think “more” is better. Certainly it cannot help the image of Asians in the U.S. if we continue to portray them in stereotypical ways. At least the Asian men on television right now are not being portrayed as anything less than men. Hiroyuki Sanada just landed a choice role on the new SyFy joint “Helix”. We can be thankful for Glen’s role on The Walking Dead because that series is a huge hit and he’s probably one of the most developed characters in the series. I freaked when I thought they might kill him off. Daniel Dae Kim is just too cool. Sandra Oh has rarely played anyone’s subservient mistress. My favorite scene in “Sideways” is when she breaks his nose with that motorcycle helmet. Hell yeah girl!

            BTW…I actually love GDragon, for me he’s like the Lady GaGa of Kpop. You also cannot blame people outside of Asian culture for not understanding things like fan service, shipping and gay fan fiction. It’s one thing for young American women, the target audience, to realize that Asian men might have smaller frames and more delicate facial features than non Asian men. It’s another story entirely for them to embrace the idea behind the appeal of fanfic. After all I’ve never heard an American girl say they’d rather see the Beebs with a guy just because they can’t stand the idea of seeing him with another girl. Since you’re an American I’m sure you can understand what a strange concept that would be for a young American girl.

          • dk2020

            If you grow up in a predominantly Asian American neighborhood you don’t have to conform to white America.. having identity issues like people asking you why do you act black or why do you act white etc.. in SoCal, we have our own identity .. Asian cultures and foods are trendy because Asian Americans having buying power which in turn has a greater influence in the area like the latest trends are Daiso’s, Dai Tai Fung, and other Asian fusion foods.. Asians are the fasting growing immigrant group in the US surpassing Latinos..

            http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/19/us/asians-surpass-hispanics-as-biggest-immigrant-wave.html

            http://articles.latimes.com/2012/nov/20/business/la-fi-mo-asian-americans-nielsen-consumers-20121120

        • linette lee

          I am not hating people who only want to marry to their own countryman. It’s their preference and I think that is nothing wrong with that belief. Also for small countries like Korea or Greece etc…it’s better that they marry only to their own countryman to keep their population up. I think the problem is when they teach their kids to hate on interracial marriages or mixed kids. That is wrong. They need to preach that nothing wrong with marrying outside your race.

          • David

            I understand what you mean.

        • A Pinky Promise

          Korean youth’s minds change really rapidly with their easy access to western media and cultures.

          Recently, a Korean show called “Witch Hunt” randomly selected pedestrians and asked if they would date foreigners (none of them said they would mind)
          Then the MCs asked if they would date blacks and similar responses came up.

          • David

            Good to know.

        • dk2020

          SMH.. think of social context also, how many non-Koreans are in ROK right now? Be practical too.. Do you know only 9% of white people date/marry outside whites in the US?

          In America it’s not that different even though we’re multicultural..only whites are the majority..

          Many Americans have no friends of another race: Poll
          http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/08/us-usa-poll-race-idUSBRE97704320130808

          • bigmamat

            You are right about that there are large parts of the country that don’t have many minority populations at all.

          • David

            Very true, around the world MOST people marry within their own race. But in this case they are seeing Korean as a different race from even all other Asians. The original conversation came up because we were talking about how they could use the English and Chinese they have learned in school. Since they live in China they may meet somebody they like.

      • A Pinky Promise

        You probably meant “Han MinJok” not MinJok.
        MinJok just means an ethic group.

      • dk2020

        Where in this article does it mention anything about marrying non-Koreans? Are there any anti miscegenation laws in S Korea I don’t know about?

  • Guest

    Korean girls seem to be internationally reputed as whores. It seems true.

    • David

      Absolutely ridiculous. What a hateful and ignorant comment to make.

      • bigmamat

        Yeah, and I took shade for saying Koreans had been proud of being homogeneous.

    • Bryan Cheron

      What the hell are you talking about?

    • UserID01

      An article about mother-daughter plastic surgery somehow equates to all Korean girls having a reputation of being whores? Evel Knievel couldn’t make that jump!

  • Dave Park

    We are legion for we are many.

  • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

    “Miss Korea 2012 dubbed as ‘Miss Plastic’ ” the sub article says.

    Shall I now dub South Korea Plastic Korea?

    • Yaminah Jamison

      Well…. I think everyone would know you’re not talking about North Korea lol.

      • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

        Course not. They’re “What Korea?”

  • chucky3176

    What do Korean men and Korean women want when they choose marriage partners? The old traditional preferences of Korean men when they choose their women was good looks, while the Korean women preferred men who earned high income. That’s now changing, as this article says, citing a study done by a marriage agency.

    http://news.hankooki.com/lpage/society/201401/h2014011710100721950.htm

    Men are now putting more emphasis on women’s income and their assets, over just looks. Korean men cite their ideal woman for marriage partner as 160 to 165cm tall, 4 year university graduate, a teacher, earns $39,000 a year, and has $150,000 worth of assets. The Korean women on the other hand, cite their ideal man as 175cm to 180cm tall, 4 year university graduate, a government worker or civil servant, earns $50,000 a year. So for Korean women, increasingly no longer having only beauty will guarantee them a marriage partner. They also need to have money and good jobs, not just looks, to get a man. Tough world out there right now.

    • chucky3176

      forgot to mention that the women also want their ideal man to have $200,000 worth of assets. No money or no job? No marriage. You might as well forget about it.

      • One for all

        Correction:

        $150,000 worth of credit debt

        $200,000 worth of credit debt

      • bigmamat

        Well it is financially smart of them to consider a partner’s earning potential. I don’t understand why grown educated adults would still think “marrying for love” is all it’s cracked up to be. People need to have more than that these days to survive marriage. Lack of income is a very sure way to put strain on a relationship.

      • Kiwi

        you also forgot to mention that men want their ideal woman to be beautiful

    • dk2020

      that’s universal..
      http://youtu.be/5oyrG3PcgLk

  • dk2020
  • bsl

    The highest form of compliment in Korea is “You don’t need plastic surgery”

    I’m at a point with these Korean and plastic surgery articles to just not care. Korean womennow have an international rRep for being fake beauties…whatever. The only thing perturbing is when Koreans or others claim “Korea has the most gorgeous women in the world” No They don’t, my experience is eve country has equally amounts of beautiful women. And Anyway doesn’t Even matter….most people never leave their own country.

  • Ryan Kim

    South Korean men are known to look better than their Northern counterparts, while North Korean women look better than south Korean women.

    • Doge Wallace

      According to you? I never heard this before.

      • Mighty曹

        Ignorance is bliss.

        • Doge Wallace

          You must be the happiest guy on earth.

          • Mighty曹

            Happier than the dog’s life of yours.

      • chucky3176

        It’s called “nam-nam, buk-nyeo”. It’s an old Korean saying of “southern guy with northern gal”. The old belief is that guys from southern Korea is better looking than northern ones, while northern gals are better looking than southern gals.

        I recently saw the show where they asked bunch of North Korean defector women living in South Korea, if this was really true. They said no. They said guys and gals in South Korea are lot more taller and lot more better looking people than people in North Korea. They said many North Korean defectors have a severe complex over their appearances while living in the South. The worst effected are the North Korean kids in elementary schools, who are typically 2 or 3 years older than the Southern kids (because they are so behind scholastically, they’re put into lower classes leading to humiliation for the NK kids). The North Korean kids immediately stand out because they are darker and much shorter than the southern kids, yet they are much older at the same time. I’m sure this leads to many of the NK kids to have low self esteem, while either getting picked on or get ignored and ostracized by southern kids who have nothing in common with the northern kids.

        • bigmamat

          South Koreans are likely getting taller because of good nutrition. You have to remember too the North Koreans are being kept food insecure in order to control the population. Good nutrition over generations results in longer bones, larger brains and higher fertility rates.

    • tina

      I disagree. sorry, but koreans to me are not attractive at all.

      • Ryan Kim

        Sorry I’m not attracted to women at all, I’m gay.

        • tina

          oh ok, i didn’t know that.

  • Mighty曹

    I remember the last Korean girl I dated. Let’s just say there was a lot of ‘off limit’ spots of her, from head to toe, that I was not allowed to touch.

    • won bin

      i thought u hate koreans?

      • Mighty曹

        Why would I hate Koreans??? Especially the girls!

        • linette lee

          hahahaha…Why would you hate girls period. lol Like why would I hate men? Especially the cute ones. hahaha. lol I am not allergic to cute men you know. lol.

          • Mighty曹

            Yeah, when it comes to girls, I don’t discriminate.

  • dk2020
  • goldengluvsk2

    looking at thebright side, they didnt ask the grandmother to get PS with them too…

  • The Real Truth

    It’s sad that these women are so conditioned to hate themselves and their natural appearance. They really go out of their way to remove the features that are unique to Koreans, and are naturally beautiful, in favor of exaggerated and ridiculous looking pointy western-style nose jobs, little comic book character chins, and giant Japanese anime eye-jobs. Plastic surgery is reaching scary heights in Korea, not the prevalence of it (already high), but the amount of gonzo procedures that people have done to all but erase their natural appearance and ethnicity.

  • cha

    This is the most annoying thing about Koreans. They are so shallow, I
    know this because I live in a highly populated Korean area in America
    and they’re still shallow over here too. At first, I could understand
    the need for beauty/vanity because of their society but it happens here
    in America so it’s ingrained in them to be this way. Even my second
    generation Korean American boyfriend who has lived in America his whole
    life is shallow. The other day I was looking at a Japanese wallet online
    and was fascinated because it could be worn and used in many different
    ways. He took one look and said “that’s so ugly, why are you looking at
    it?” I replied “because it’s smart! look at all the ways you can use
    this” he then said “it’s not smart if it’s ugly…”. Koreans don’t see
    plastic surgery as a taboo, yet once they have plastic surgery, they
    don’t want anyone to know about it? It’s always the ugly one’s who get
    the surgery anyways… What’s the point of being so open plastic surgery
    in a country that has the highest plastic surgery rates per capita in
    the world if you don’t even want to admit to it? You thought you were
    ugly, you didn’t have any confidence, so you decided to be deceitful and
    use plastic surgery to make yourself look better. You only look better
    because of the plastic surgery so stop trying to act as if you’re some
    sort of perfect being, ugh just thinking about this is annoying…

    • Mighty曹

      And when they can’t deny the plastic part they always have this ‘childhood’ injury excuse like “when I was 5 I fell and broke my nose, etc.”.

      By your account of the example, your boyfriend sees you as more ‘beautiful’ than ‘smart/useful’. Are you torn by that?

    • tina

      I don’t understand the korean ideal beauty. why do koreans hate their own ethnic features so much? sad, so sad.

  • shittygook

    are they still think they should make their baby?? i hope they stop extend their uglyness by multiplying..

    • tina

      that’s too funny. most koreans are fucking ugly.

  • redwhitedude

    I guess clinics will be offering discounts for 2.

  • paparazzi

    what a…. Even if both mother and daughter have a PS just to trick future husband-husband in law, there’s a chance that the truth will come out when the baby is born.

  • tina

    i don’t get the whole plastic surgery obsession with koreans. however when i visited korea recently, i have to say, koreans in general are not attractive. i don’t see anything interesting about them. they all have a similar look, and the ones that may be good looking is usually the ones who had cosmetic surgery done and it just looks weird.

    • jason

      I agree, LMAO! asians are usually fucking ugly!

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