Conservatives Speak Up on the Sewol Ferry Accident

The Sewol ferry accident brought about controversial political opportunism and heated arguments between netizens of conflicting political orientations. Conservative netizens have been trying to refute anti-government accusations they deem baseless and complaining that left-leaning journalists and netizens are demonizing the government and authorities in charge without concrete facts. It was in this charged atmosphere that the youngest son of Chung Mong-joon, candidate for mayor of Seoul in the upcoming election, made a controversial comment on Facebook. The particular word “uncivilized” (미개하다) in his comment is often used by conservative netizens on Ilbe and DC Inside to criticize something that does not meet their standards.

From Yonhap News:

Chung Mong-joon deeply apologetic about his son’s remark that “the public sentiment is uncivilized”

On the 21st, the Saenuri Party’s Seoul mayoral candidate lawmaker Chung Mong-joon’s son, Ye-seon (19), wrote on his Facebook page, “Isn’t the nation uncivilized because the citizens are uncivilized?” referring to the sentiment critical of President Park Geun-hye’s visit on the Sewol ferry accident area. As controversy erupted from his comment, lawmaker Chung issued a letter of apology on behalf of his son, trying to subdue the controversy.

Chung Ye-seon wrote the following comment on his Facebook.

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Don’t you know that President Park Geun-hye was once almost stabbed? [An assailant cut Park’s face with a razor during her election campaigns in 2006.] She went ahead with her visit plan even though the security office suggested her not to go due to poor security conditions. And speaking of the public sentiment, unlike other countries where people behave rationally in similar situations, our people yelled and cursed at the President when she promised to do her best in person to the affected people and the Prime Minister got hit by a water bottle, ke ke ke. When the public sentiment is uncivilized, it doesn’t make sense to expect the President to be omnipotent to satisfy every citizen’s needs. Citizens constitute a nation. Isn’t the nation uncivilized because the citizens are uncivilized?

Ye-seon deleted the comment on Facebook as controversy erupted.

In response to the controversy, through his letter of apology, lawmaker Chung said, “I sincerely apologize to the affected families and our citizens. I am extremely sorry about my youngest son’s immature act. He is reflecting on his actions now. It is all my fault that I could not teach him properly. I sincerely apologize again to the affected families who might have been hurt and our citizens.”

Ye-seon is the youngest of 2 sons and 2 daughters of lawmaker Chung.

Comments from Naver:
hl30****:

Ye-seon is a good son. He wants his father to retire and live a quite, comfortable life far from the public eye.

gdfr****:

His dad’s thoughts might have influenced him…

imnt****:

This time, his son ruined his election campaign…;;

mped****:

It’s true that people are uncivilized and lowly…. Isn’t that why the lawmaker bastards who represent people are uncivilized and lowly? But why did he have to say that… He should’ve kept quiet even if he knew it’s right.

kore****:

It’s true that people are uncivilized seeing how an official took souvenir photos in front of the death list. It’s completely messed up beyond uncivilized.

mlpj****:

Just how uncivilized people must be to have elected your father for a lawmaker.

kara****:

During the Roh administration, people were blaming Roh Mu-hyun even if their neighbor’s dog died. It’s ironic that they say we should not blame Park Geun-hye for this tragedy now.

hoya****:

The good son must have hated to see his father become the mayor of Seoul and work too much.

dais****:

Sure….I understand….at such a young age….you can write something like that….I’m sorry that….people are uncivilized…..Tell your father not to run for election….

blue****:

How about lowering the bus fee to 70 won for the uncivilized people? [When Chung Mong-joon was asked how much the bus fee is in a debate, he guessed 70 won although it was 1,000 won.] Oh well, how worthless common people must look to the son of a chaebol parent.

Comments from Ilbe:
약샤:

The Seoul mayor will be Park Won-soon again…I guarantee you, ke ke ke ke ke. It’s fucking annoying. He will again try to turn Seoul into some countryside village. Politicians really need to take control of their sons. Lee Hoi-chang also failed because of his son. Chung Mong-joon will definitely fail. It’s Park Won-soon again. Suck it, Ilbe people ㅠㅠ

피아제찾는노짱:

Lefty zombie bastards seem to be mad at the word “uncivilized”. It’s better not to use a word like that to sound convincing. Except that, he isn’t wrong. And what? President Park disrupted the rescue operation?? Just because the president visited the area, did diving and controls personnel all go to see her or something? Ke ke ke, only high ranking authorities who don’t do the actual work might have met her. Same old conspiracy theories from lefty zombies drive me insane, ke ke.

안정된삼각뿔:

The media company already issued a retraction for the wrong claim that President Park disrupted the rescue operation. Fucking A, they publish articles in a hit-and-run manner. Fucking SOBs. Even if they issue a retraction later, lefty zombies don’t pay attention to it. Real SOBs.

훈계쟁이:

It seems the young bastard was sucked into Ilbe too much that he couldn’t see what really matters in his life. Leftist media will keep dragging this. Soon they will make it seem that Chung Mong-joon thinks the public sentiment is a fucking joke just like his son does.

내가일베끊는다:

Is that bastard crazy? No matter how frustrated he is, there are things he shouldn’t say from his position. Is it because he’s only a 96er? Sigh… What if Chung loses votes because of that… I don’t even wanna imagine if Park Won-soon is re-elected for the mayor of Seoul.

조중사:

He said the right thing, but I can’t imagine how much bashing it would draw. I don’t know when this country shifted to the left so much that we can’t even say the right thing. During the lost decade of Kim Dae-jung and Roh Mu-hyun administrations, leftists were fostered by the KTU. The students who were influenced by them are in their 20s and 30s now. By today’s standards, you get witch-hunted for saying the right thing…

순서를기다려라:

Ah, Chung Mong-joon has raised his son properly. Bad influence on the election? Don’t worry. Those who won’t vote for Chung because of this weren’t gonna vote for him in the first place anyway. I was critical of Chung but I’m re-evaluating him. It’s true that those people are uncivilized, fuck..

클린일베캠페:

Ke ke ke ke ke, despite the huge costs, Chung sent a floating dock to the accident area. Then his son inflicted a huge amount of damage just through his comment on Facebook, ke ke.

영화사랑:

I’m surprised that a high school student can even think like that. He must be a good student. They should not bash him just for the word “uncivilized”. Of course, it may sound inappropriate from some viewpoint, but his comment also means that they need to reflect on how uncivilized it may have looked to the high school student’s eyes. It’s regrettable that the public opinion and media make it all political just because he is a politician’s son.

삼청교육대부활:

It is more of a problem because he is a “kid” who just graduated from high school. No matter what the truth is, average people would assume that he might have said that because he has been influenced by his father over the dinner table.

라도의과학:

Ke ke ke ke ke, if some random person spewed it, it would’ve been nothing. But a lawmaker’s son immaturely spewed that, ke ke ke ke. “I’m an Ilbe user” is written all over the place, ke ke ke ke. If he was my son, I would’ve fucking beaten him up, ke ke ke. If you are a child of a prominent parent, you should make comments like that only between your family. Sigh.. You can argue against lefty zombies’ accusations but the outcome of the election may be negative…

After the ferry accident, public TV channels KBS and SBS reported on negative incidents related to Ilbe. Ilbe netizens have reacted to the media coverage.

From Ilbe:

KBS mentioned Ilbe again. Is Ilbe their punching bag?

Just now, KBS showed a screencap of Ilbe regarding insults related to the Sewol ferry accident. They reported that a 20-something guy is in custody. There may be young students in Ilbe but most of the users are adults. They take responsibility for their own posts. It’s regrettable if the arrested guy is an Ilbe user. However, it is not right for the media to mention Ilbe whenever some internet incident happens. There are problematic posts on Ilbe but there are much more positive posts. Why should Ilbe be blamed for every online incident? Let’s see whether Ilbe is really an immoral and evil community.

1) For the people who look at Ilbe with a grudge, Ilbe’s image is “evil”. An immoral cancerous site. The black color. Pure darkness with no light. Is Ilbe really completely dark and evil as they claim?

2) Three days after the Sewol ferry accident, KBS aired the following report.

KBS News: “But unimaginable things are happening on the internet. Comments mocking the victims are spreading and smishing [“SMS-Phishing”, i.e. faking text messages] is rearing its head. Recently on this site (showing Ilbe’s homepage), (1) posts mocking the victims were posted. The police confirmed 6 cases. The police secured the netizens’ IDs and IPs and consider applying the law against defamation. They are also investigating (2) 6 cases of posts that faked as if victims requested help after the accident. (3) The post that claimed that the autopsy revealed a victim didn’t die long ago…”

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As you guys should know, only (1) is applicable to Ilbe. (2) and (3) are not from Ilbe. Ilbe rather tried to debunk rumors on social media to prevent confusion. By debunking internet rumors and reporting rumor-mongers to the authorities, we were able to prevent rumors from going wild unlike during the mad cow disease turmoil. We helped them catch trolls like Ms. Hong who appeared on MBN and made false comments. Therefore, it was wrong for KBS to report on those bad things as if Ilbe is behind them all.

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3) Also, it is farfetched to depict Ilbe as evil using 6 cases of posts mocking the victims. In July, 2013, the average number of posts per day on Ilbe was 40,000 with hundreds of thousands of comments

On December 15th in last year, “Saebu”, known as the administrator of Ilbe, wrote a post asking to refrain from making false reports about Ilbe. He said, “It is not true that Ilbe is a harmful site. 40,000 new posts and hundreds of thousands of comments are posted on Ilbe everyday. The moderators are continuously monitoring posts to regulate them.”

That is from a New DongA article from 2013. When there is a big incident like the Sewol ferry accident, there are more posts than usual on Ilbe and the number of simultaneous users are easily above 20,000.

“The police confirmed 6 cases.”

The KBS report is from the 19th, three days after the accident. There might have been 150,000 new posts after the accident if there were 50,000 new posts each day. 6 cases out of 150,000 posts. It doesn’t make sense to depict Ilbe as evil because of that.

[…]

4) Moreover, as Saebu said in the interview as an admin back then, there are moderators who keep monitoring the site. Even Il-gays also criticize such posts. They are indifferent if the offenders are punished by law. The overall sentiment of Ilbe is critical of immature acts on the Sewol ferry tragedy. As some gay said, if a reporter makes trouble, it is a mistake but if the trouble is from Ilbe, is it all criminal?

Upon the news that the SBS current affairs program “We want to know it” is planning to cover Ilbe, there was a flood of posts proving good deeds done by Ilbe users. You wouldn’t normally let your left hand know your right hand’s good deeds. But it was a protest against the SBS Programming Directors (PD) who seem to intend to depict Ilbe negatively while claiming that they won’t only focus on the negative aspect. They are just saying “We are not some criminals or fools as you think.”

5) If they ask, “But isn’t it too much to insult the diseased former presidents or ridicule 5.18?”, I would say, “Ban all jokes and rumors about all former and current presidents on the internet. Ban all sites that allow such comments. Then we can talk.” The media or political groups that see Ilbe with a grudge are naturally all leftist or pro-North Korean. Their goal is to destroy Ilbe for political purpose. It is not to simply make the internet environment better.

They leave alone comments like “Rip apart Rat Myung-bak.”, rumors like “Kim Hyon-hui’s KAL terrorism was fabricated by the South Korean government.” or posts that disparage rightist presidents such as Syngman Rhee and Park Chung-hee. But they are red-eyed about Ilbe because they are just waging a leftist political offensive against the rightist. This is the fact that even elementary students can see through. Be honest, guys.

6)
[…]
As the post above that received 900 up votes says, Ilbe is a website where mainly anti-North Korea patriots come together. It is also a humor site where they share their love for animals and various knowledge and information. Although they do retarded things sometimes.

After witnessing the whole country falling into chaos because of the leftist propaganda during the mad cow disease hoax, Ilbe gets tough and tenacious against the leftist propaganda whenever a big incident happens in the country. But normally, Ilbe is a group of self-claimed retards who pick up birds or play Il-vengers. Nothing more, nothing less. They do good things sometimes.

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That is a screencap from KBS. One thread title says, “I took away a granny’s baggage.” Il-gays must be laughing, knowing the truth.

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When I was waiting for the bus, a granny came to me and asked me if I can help her carry her stuff to her home. Since all I have is time, how could I not help? I carried it to her home. The bag was heavy like it has stones in it. My arms were trembling. I took this picture while taking a break at the elevator as a haeng-gay [Ilbe users who take action].

Let’s take a look at other posts. Is this something that KBS should criticize?

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Identifying the third officer of the ferry, Showing off a good deed, identifying a rumor-monger, debunking a rumor, debunking a rumor, debunking a rumor, identifying a journalist, criticizing a journalist, citing a foreign media report, debunking a rumor, introducing another site’s good deeds.

7) As you can see from the KBS report’s intention, there are groups of people who try to mislead as if everything negative online related to the Sewol ferry accident is from Ilbe. It may not be the scheme of the whole KBS but the leftist group within KBS. Whether they are in the form of media, politicians or internet communities, everyone knows that their accusations on Ilbe stem from the vigorous leftist offensive against Ilbe that helped Park Geun-hye’s election campaigns.

It would be honest if they openly acknowledge that they are making political attacks. It is dishonest to depict Ilbe as an immoral group and attempt to destroy it. Of course, that is leftist-like. Don’t dig your own grave by making farfetched claims about Ilbe using some inappropriate posts. Those posts can be sorted out and if you want to persecute them, all power to you. However, if you go too far, your true nature will be revealed and you will lose your job.

Think about how those once-outspoken leftist journalists, celebrities and attention-seekers got shut up. Take care.

Comments from Ilbe:
공부하라고댓글좀:

I’ve seen Il-gays who were foaming at the mouth to check whether the captain and Ms. Hong were from Jeolla-do. So I don’t agree with your post. Don’t you think your own post is also selective? Don’t try to shield Ilbe. If you approach it like that, there is no end. Ilbe is just a playground where disabled fellows mumble and play together. Nothing else.

올해벌써고3:

Honestly, I have nothing to say if Ilbe is bashed. But it’s unfair to pin everything on Ilbe while neglecting comments on DC Baseball Gallery or Naver.

파쉬툰왈리:

Are you a retard? I just scrolled down after reading a few lines. Ilbe is merely a public venue where numerous individuals come and go. There is no identity. Why do you have a sense of belonging and care about Ilbe’s image??? Bashing Ilbe is like punching in the air. It’s like you are saying “Ouch!!” because the air got punched. Those who bash the air and those who complain that the air got hit….same bastards, tsk tsk.

홍어끔살:

It’s not like the first or second time, ke ke ke. It’s bothersome to respond to them any more. Just enjoy, ke ke ke. People will visit Ilbe wondering what kind of retarded site it is but end up getting industrialized [aligned with the conservative viewpoints], ke ke ke. If they look at Ilbe for themselves, they should know Ilbe isn’t some immoral anti-social criminal site, ke ke ke.

파워게이:

Don’t show off Ilbe pride. Think about the positive side. They are actually advertising Ilbe. Many upset netizens will visit Ilbe and they will realize that the TV reports are bullshit after reading debunking posts on Ilbe. Then those newbies end up becoming new Ilbe bugs.

이게머니:

I completely agree with point 5! In that way, Naver, Daum, Nate, DC, etc. are all harmful websites. But they say nothing against Naver or Daum. Such cowards.

아리스클리토리스:

So sensational journalism and rumor-mongering on social media represent democracy but people who detect false reports and rumors are vandals? It is a good chance for those who politically try to take advantage of the tragedy but those who try to prevent it are persecuted. The Republic of Korea’s future is very bright. Was my lefty zombie speech style decent??

타네시마포푸라:

It is because the Ilbe admins do not respond to accusations out of fear of revealing their identity. Because they will be bashed so much in this country if they reveal their identity. The journalists take advantage of that. No matter how much you Il-gays bash the journalists and refute their accusations, they don’t even bat an eye.

시계와중력:

Ilbe isn’t some creature. It is just a forum site that many people use. It has less restrictions compared to other sites and so many people use it. Problems are bound to happen, but how is that a problem with the website, ke ke ke ke. If anything, humans in general are the problem, ke ke ke ke.

헐크겨털:

Voted up for the facts. Hey, I’m honestly thankful for Ilbe. They sharply detect rumor-mongers. I was freaked out during the mad cow disease hoax. Good work, gays.

노짱찾아오만리:

There are two reasons why the media mentions Ilbe. Because they are leftist media who wants to stomp on Ilbe or because Ilbe stories sell. For the ratings. Nothing else. Voted up the good post.

지옥대중탕:

Those lefty zombie trash journalists pick on several posts out of 100,000 posts a day and generalize as if that is all about the site… Is there anything that can be done about them? Less than 0.01% of the posts made fun of the victims. Fucking lefty zombie trashy journalist bastards who sold off their conscience for their political agenda.

종북좌빨아우트:

I was going crazy reading lefty Daum and Naver comments. I gained hope thanks to Ilbe.

해외원어민:

If Ilbe bugs are trash, most people in the world are trash, too. You may think this is worthless Ilbe pride, but I have never seen any other site where there is as little pretense and you can freely express your opinion with guaranteed freedom of speech. On other sites, they are busy wearing a mask.

Meanwhile, Dispatch published a comprehensive article about many questions that have been raised by the public about the aftermath of the accident.

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  • elizabeth

    The boy has a point regarding the hostility but he shouldn’t have used that word, which makes him an ‘uncivilized’ sheltered brat who is insensitive to grieving hearts.

    There should be more appreciation for the divers for the hard work and depressing experience they are going through.

    Thankless jobs some have…fighting!

  • guest

    With the completely nonsensical reactions of some people with regards to this incident, literally trying to inflict physical harm upon divers and rescue workers, I would say that this kid hit it right on the money, though he obviously should have thought of his fathers position before saying so.

    As for this Ilbe hate, it is really pretty ridiculous to see, they seem to be brought up as an example to criticize for everything. Sure, they may have some unpopular opinions, but is it really okay in Korea to call for a site to be taken down, and file criminal charges just because of some shit someone says online? There are tons of sites every where were people say all sorts of stuff, you just laugh and move along, no need to throw a temper tantrum and ask for it to be banned.

  • chucky3176

    The boy was right what he said, but I would not have posted that in public (this was unwise). It was horrible seeing the physically tiny President Park getting mobbed like that by a screaming crowd. I almost thought they would grab her and lynch her, and no body guards were protecting her. If you think about it, this scene would be unthinkable in most other countries, democratic or not. Of course I understand the parent’s anger, frustration, and sadness, but nothing will be resolved without talking rationally and calmly.

    Is there any other Asian country that has this much political division along the lines of right and left? I don’t know what this does. Does it divide the country into conflicts, or does it strengthen it through debates? It’s really hard to say.

    So much for CNN/FOX/BBC saying Koreans bow down to authority and never question the authority to the point they prefer to die in sinking ships. Uh.. right.

    • tomoe723

      No, I don’t think the boy was right in what he said. Posting it in public was an even more stupid thing to do so. It only fed more to the existing pain and anger of the people directly or indirectly affected by the incident. You do not console a person in agony by lecturing them. A person undergoing intense pain and suffering because of a tragedy never appears “civilized” to the one who is not affected, but it doesn’t mean they are uncivilized. They need an outlet or somehow a means to manage all that turmoil inside. If your intentions to help do not focus on that, it only adds more to the confusion on the afflicted party and you risk backlash from already troubled sentiments. It’s almost impossible to talk rationally and calmly in situations like these unless you are a truly neutral party without any apparent personal motives. The President’s visit can easily be viewed as political sympathizing and I can see why those afflicted don’t want any of it. It feels like a mockery to them.

    • John I.B.C. Madison

      I don’t think South Korea is a particularly polarized country along the left/right line.

      There is a general consensus across political line that the tragedy was exacerbated by inadequate and disorganized response from the government and more specifically the bureaucrats that are supposed to be leading the rescue effort (but this of course excludes the cult-ish conservative followers of anything Park Chung-hee and thus Park Geun-hye). This is reflected in the decline in approval ratings of Park.

      The storm of conspiracy theories are mostly whipped up by unprincipled, politically opportunistic, so-called “left” of the Korean politics. These are the people whose sole existence is not to provide an independent voice against political monopoly by the mainstream political machine, but to sabotage and create chaos in the mainstream Korean politics, driven by their irrational and compulsive hatred against anything right of center (and possibly some of them driven by their allegiance to the North and their blind hatred of the southern government).

      They are aided and abetted by the mainstream liberals of the Democratic Party who shamelessly try to score political points with the electorate by spinning this tragedy as the sole fault of the government. And then there’s the whole “left” infrastructure in the media that would grab and hold on to any and everything that smells like “government” and “mistake” (the likes of JTBC, Fact TV, Gobal News who infamously displayed their petulant irrationality and braindeadness with their dribbles about the supposedly almighty “diving bell” and their shameless hypocrisy in blaming the government for the failure of their almighty, all-purpose solution). And they are being sustained by gullible 20-somethings addicted to SNS and with clearly too much internet presence.

      These are the heartless assholes who exploit the grief and need for an answer of the families of the victims. Coupled with some display of incompetence by the bureaucrats and the impossibility of the search make these crackpot conspiracy theories about media control, supposed privatization of the rescue effort, and the government’s refusal to use the almighty diving bell seem credible in the vulnerable minds of the grieving families.

      • wrle

        Your comment really sums it up for me. Not really on any side, but I find korean leftists are just as bad or worse sometimes than rightist Ilbe. Why do leftists think its alright to spread rumors or anti government sentiment but rightists cant do the same in criticizing? One thing for certain is that leftists in korea are much more irrational and less critical thinkers than rightists. They are so preoccupied with blaming the president or blaming someone that they don’t see the real issues. It’s not about political agendas on how to make the country a better place, its just about toppling whoever is in power.

        They are more worried about the inappropriate color of park geun hye’s suit when meeting obama than fixing korea’s safety regulations. Its so saddening and frustrating. Its worsened by SNS as you mentioned with young adults that just believe what they see on the internet. I am really saddened to say this but I think Korea really needs to have a leftist pro north korean government to see what its like so they can get a wake up call.

  • Luck Of Fire

    sad

  • Renjick

    It’s understandable that parents are angry and frustrated. They’re not in their right mind really, but attacking officials and demanding rescue/recovery operations to be faster when it’s unrealistic and impossible?

    Turn your blame and anger at the corruption that led to your children’s deaths. Whether that’s the captain/crew, the company, gov. officials that were bribed, etc. Not rescue workers trying their best to recover bodies, which is a mental anguish all on its own.

  • chucky3176

    Divers having tough time with getting bodies stuck in big objects. When the ship tilted to the left, the passengers tried to flee, upwards, to the right side, before the ship turned over completely. The bodies are pinned by objects like tables and chairs, and they just won’t come out. Horrifying thankless job.

    http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/society/society_general/634613.html?_fr=mt1

    For god sakes, end this agony, and declare recovery operations. There are no survivors. I know this will make the remaining family members into another uproar, but someone has to make a tough decision.

    • elizabeth

      Yes, actually I find it counter-intuitive to leave the vessel submerged because lifting it out of the water would at least ensure that the victims do not die from drowning. It puzzles me otherwise.

      • chucky3176

        No, they have the big cranes ready and on stand by. But they won’t do it because they’re afraid they’ll lose any air pocket that may miraculously exist, if the sunk vessel starts to shift. They are waiting for the parents to approve this move, but they are in no shape to think clearly. Many of them have been camped out in the gym for days, under severe mental and physical duress. The dead bodies are getting heavier as they bloat and decompose. It’s getting harder for the families who need to identify their loved ones. There are still over hundred people missing, they have to raise that ship now, and give closure to the remaining and waiting families.

        • tomoe723

          I had the same argument with a friend. Even if they are banking on those miraculous air pockets, inaction still doesn’t help any chances of possible survivors as time is against their odds. It’s situations like these that it’s obvious why people are weak to take action for fear of being sued when it turns out bad. You can just imagine how the mentality has grown. It’s sickening. Spineless dweebs. I’d rather risk it than let it pass and regret doing nothing at all.

  • Peter Old

    Part A)
    I can see two two issues to be separated here.
    1. The reactions of the angry relatives to the authorities.
    2. Using this tragedy – and comments around this tragedy – as an argument for opposing political values.

    I suspect 정예선 was referring to the first and alluding to the second (by calling citizens “uncivilised”.

    1. It’s very difficult for people to be angry at the right person at the right time. People are known to lash-out when grieving and the authorities didn’t adequately respond to the situation… 정예선 clearly lacks empathy.

    2. My guess is that he is defending President 朴 in response to the criticism against the 새누리 party after this tragedy. It’s not really fair the the victims and those affected to use their loss and grievance as a carrier for political gains. There is a time and place for everything. It’s fair to criticise the extenuating circumstances and safety procedures of the accident; but there is a line between this and using low politics to further one’s political values. Spreading reports that the rescue equipment was delayed by the the arrival of 朴 is selfish and insensitive. Arguments on the capitalist influence on the safety standards etc. are fine – within reason and tact.

    Part B)
    The netizen comments of mocking the victims etc. should have been moderated. There is no excuse for these online communities forums with their number of visits and advertising revenue not to moderate such plainly offensive posts ASAP.

    … Take notice koreaBANG. The ‘Heroism, Suicide after the Sewol Ferry Accident’ article was rampant with trolling and disruptive comments. There is no ‘Mark as inappropriate’ button and appears to be a lack of moderation. Perhaps koreaBANG should recruit more moderators.

    • tomoe723

      Exactly!!! It’s so easy for others to trifle around someone else’s affliction. These people are so callous immature. They don’t know shit about suffering.

  • Looking forward to the Sewol movie coming out next year starring Won Bin as the quiet yet heroic math teacher trying to save the kids and Kim Yoon Seok as the drunk captain with a gambling habit who was tricked into abandoning the ship. And Park Shin Hye as the young inexperienced ship conductor and the love interest of the lead investigator Jang Hyuk who tries to piece all the evidence together revealing deep sinister secrets behind the entire incident.

    • takasar1

      Didn’t you know? Lee da hae is always partnered with jang hyuk.

  • commander

    It is deeply sad to see the blame game raging in South Korea while dead corpses of missing passengers, most of them teenagers, are not still recovered from cold sea to the enormous grief of bereaved families.

    To stop leveling criticism at each other, and heal the mental trauma of victim families and frustrated public, we need to find common denominators which hopefully calm public outrage and bring healing effects to the psyche of the entire nation.

    Let me point out what I think can be recognized as consensus of the silent majority of the South Korean public.

    First, it would be better for President Park to mobilize army, navy and marine forces for a swift and effective rescue operation in the ferry sinking.

    Although there may be legal provisions for such a mobilization, like declaring a disaster zone, but the unfathomable grief of victim families and enormous public sympathy with the deadly sinking involving more than 300 lives can give the president a good justification for such a mobilization–as long as it does not affect the national defense posture at a time when North Korea defiantly vows a fourth nuclear test.

    Park’s failure to take such a bold step does not mean she is to blame for governmental incompetence in orchestrating salvage efforts in early days after the ferry sinking.

    The task of holding accountable those responsible for the tragedy–ranging from the captain and other crew members, the vessel operator which is found to be negligent in safety rules compliance, and government agencies which not only failed to enforce relevant rules in ship operation inspection, but also find themselves in coordination failure for expeditious rescue actions–needs to be reserved until the rescue mission is finished and the investigation of the sinking causes are thoroughly made.

    Until that time, the government and the public alike need to support for a swift rescue operation, the only demand that grieving families have made at present.

    Second, Holding responsible those involved should not wind up an one-time event.

    The nation needs to overhaul a disaster response system, and put a well-organized, and well-functioning system of disaster response.

    I boldly propose an introduction of standing rapid disaster response teams (RDRT) which has nationwide activity scope.

    When there is a disaster, man-made or of natural origin, the RDRTs, granted the authority of mobilizing resources and personnel in relevant regions, can be sent to disaster scenes immediately for a quick search and rescue operation.

    When there is no emergency in the nation, some of RDRTs can be dispatched to other countries in need after being struck with disasters, which can contribute to boost South Korea’s international profile as a peace-loving middle power and can help the nation to gain international support for peaceful resolution of North Korean nuclear crisis.

    Third, as the omnipresence of Internet connections and the evolving social networking services provide ordinary persons the ample possibility of media exposure, abusive remarks by some persons have ripple effects to the contrary of their will.

    The verbal blunder, made by the youngest son of a business magnate-turned politician who is currently a candidate for Seoul mayorship, appears to fuel public outrage.

    But the more serious problem with the “uncivilized” comment is that some people call it acceptable or appropriate description while it is vastly wrong in others’ view.

    The stark difference in viewpoint is part of an increasingly polarized nation, with some saying that the comment is a reflection of psyche of the leaders in the nation and others looking down on working and poor classes as incapable and lazy.

    Even some people who are deeply relate to the sorrow of bereaved families and do not hesitate to vent anger say if this incident happened for prestigious private high schools to which children of high-paid professionals, lawmakers, and corporate executives attend, a rescue operation would be expeditious. They cynically say that even parents of dead children showing anger at high ranking officials is not allowed in this nation and laughed on as uncivilized by privileged people who should have demonstrated “oblesse oblige.”

    Third, the mass media’s ill-informed, and unverified coverage of the ferry sinking, apparently motivated by blind pursuit for scoops, should be held answerable, with tough fines for reporters in question and punitive fines for broadcasters and newspapers.

    Sprawling money-motivated journalism should be rolled back.

    Those who float groundless rumors online should be also criminally charged with defamation.

    Fourth, the government agencies, notorious for immobile complacency, should be jolted with punishment and reshuffle. The retarded response in early days after the fatal sinking is a huge frustration for families involved and spectating public.

    All this jobs lies onto the shoulder of President Park, which has vowed to make a thorough probe and reform.

    Can she make things return to normal as the leader in imperial presidency?

  • bigmamat

    The problem is this is a political problem because it’s an issue of public safety. When you have an industry that can potentially kill this many people at one time lawmakers need to take notice. Koreans have an opportunity today to begin a national dialog on what role government should take. I understand that there are safety regulations in place but are they being enforced? Are these departments funded well enough to do their jobs? Is industry being held accountable for infractions? Is any of this being conducted freely and openly with oversight by the Korean public. This entire mess reminds me so much of the U.S. A place where the same lawmakers will spend millions of dollars and hours of debate micromanaging the private lives of the citizens but will not even entertain the idea of policing industries that have the potential to kill. This is all done in the sacred name of free market ideology. Koreans better wake the fuck up. Not only are their democratic freedoms at stake here so are their lives.

    • chucky3176

      They deregulated the shipping industry, starting 2009, under the conservative administration. Before the deregulation, it was forbidden to operate passenger ships that are older than 20 years. They bumped it up to 30 because the shipping industry clamoured for it and probably bought out the politicians. In 2008, only about 7% of ships were approaching 20 years. In 2014, 35% of Korean ships are older than 20. In the same time span, the shipping companies have hired many officials who were employed by the government’s Marine and Fishery Ministry which oversees policies and inspections of commercial ships. The shipping companies stocked their companies with these influential former officials to put pressure on the ministry’s personnels to avoid scrutiny and proper safety inspections from the Ministry. If you remember how former US government ministers were involved being employed by US credit agencies and US financial companies… it’s exactly the same in Korea with the Korean shipping industry. In Korea, the shipping companies are called the mafia companies because it’s well know how they colluded with the Korean government.

      The Park Geun Hye administration’s homework now is to dismantle this system and start putting people in jails.

      • bigmamat

        Told you it sounded familiar….

      • tomoe723

        Reading your post, look what has happened with that incident costing a lot of innocent lives. Will more lives be at risk because of a select few’s disregard for common welfare, only catering to their own selfish ends? Yes.

        • bigmamat

          Yes because it appears that Korea has pretty much established a free market capitalist ideology that pays lip service to public safety but is hesitant to actually hold big industry’s feet to the fire. I’ve been predicting that it won’t be long before Korean citizens begin to feel they are back in the Joseon era with a select few at the top, and the rest of society fighting for scraps at the bottom. It should happen fairly rapidly since it’s rise was so rapid. It really only took the U.S. about 40 good years to get us to this largely unbalanced economic state.

          • tomoe723

            That is just so sad. Sometimes, the conspiracy minded part in me thinks it’s all the U.S. gov’t’s fault. I mean, I feel U.S. gov’t has a big part in shaping and controlling the political and economic policies of it’s allies. It’s a dark ominous hand lurking in the shadows slowly spreading its evil. But don’t get me wrong, I’m not anti-American, I’ve lived there for some time, the people are fun and sensible, but authority is just fucked up. I can see the same thing happening to other U.S. allies in Asia: Malaysia and Philippines in particular. Even Japan, with its many internal political problems, I suspect, is influenced by U.S. gov’t.

          • bigmamat

            I’m pretty certain that the U.S. has a lot of influence in shaping Japan and Korea’s policies. I’m not so sure about how much influence they have over domestic policy. I’m sure a lot less than they do about how they engage with other countries. I know the U.S. has spent a lot of money in both countries helping them rebuild. I also know that the US has shaped international monetary policy for several decades. That’s why we’re all in trouble.

          • tomoe723

            Yes, of course, US has a lot of influence on the international front.

            But I suspect its influence on domestic affairs is more sinister and solely to sabotage or siphon the target country’s economy. It doesn’t matter how to do it as long as it’s done. Like for example, all the economic downfalls of certain East Asian countries involved a corrupt politician which robbed its country’s treasury and deposited it on an offshore (swiss) account. And most likely, that politician was planted/coerced by the U.S. to do its bidding. I can go on with this conspiracy theory, but I read a book many years ago on the secret history of American empire, and that’s where I got this idea, but I think it’s still continuing on.

          • bigmamat

            Damn I knew we were the great evil but I didn’t know people thought we were that fucking organized! We’ve been a big old imperial bully. Who will fuck up your country if you mess with us or if we want something from you but a lot of it is just a controlled mess. I think if the government isn’t always actively involved they’ve at least cleared the way for businesses to do their sneaky best. I can’t go as far as you’re saying because I know sometimes getting my government to do anything successful is like herding cats.

          • tomoe723

            Haha, yeah I suppose you’re right. The conspiracy gets wilder if I went on with it… like secret societies planning for generations passing on its plan, so on and so forth.

            But I have to admit, when I visited DC, it all looked like a rebirth of the Roman Empire. The buildings at least. XD

          • bigmamat

            You mean like the Bilderberg stuff and Freemasonry, black helicopters and secret societies, The Skull and Bones club? I’m not sure they let guys like Obama into any of those…D.C. looks like Rome, yeah a little. That’s the Jeffersonian architecture, it does look a bit Romanesque. I was always fond of those old Greek Revival houses farther south but I know they all represent a time when everything was built by slaves. The style is grand though.

          • tomoe723

            Yes those stuff. But I didn’t read anymore on them. I’ve heard of them but I don’t know really what sinister plans they have or what comprises those groups. I think I heard of Skull and Bones in that Tomb Raider movie with Angelina Jolie… or was that the Illuminati…

            Down south, you mean them overfunded universities and frat houses? With overhyped football teams and sports dep’t? It’s just too big… every sport has its own stadium. >_<

          • bigmamat

            Yeah I suppose that’s what I mean. It didn’t occur to me that there are any more sports schools “down south” than anywhere else.

          • tomoe723

            Not sports schools, but state universities. I’ve toured a lot of the universities in them southern states. Texas, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina. Yeah, I’ve been roaming around a lot. Haha..

          • bigmamat

            Yeah I understand. There are a lot of big sports schools throughout the country. I guess they do seem more concentrated on the coasts.

          • tomoe723

            Oh I see, so you call them sports schools. Most of them students in them “sports schools” live a very sheltered life. It’s a fantasy world in there. But I hung out with black people mostly, and other Asians. I took some graduate studies, that’s how I got to know it inside. =) There’s a lot to learn from American culture within those academic ivory towers. Sometimes, too much of a reality check for me. Religious & racial discrimination, social welfare & status, news & media, politics & gov’t, walmarts, fast food, so-called “science & technology”… I’m too young to learn the realities of all those things. It hurts my brains just thinking of it. Anyway, I’m just blabbering now… Thanks for replying though. =D

          • bigmamat

            I don’t call them sports schools I thought that was you. I call them universities. I don’t know what you’d call them really. I live in Virginia. We have a several good colleges here and two big “sports schools” UVA and Virginia Tech. VA Tech is where the Korean student shot those 32 people a few years ago. One of the guys I graduated with from high school lost his son in that shooting. A lot of the schools you’re talking about are big “party” schools as well.

          • tomoe723

            Oh I don’t call them sports schools. Lol. I was just putting emphasis on the overfunded sports dep’t… or athletics dep’t.

            I’ve heard about that. It’s almost each of them has some form of shooting. Either from bullying, or teacher infidelity, or something else I don’t know. The programs and courses are good with high tech and very expensive facilities, very huge libraries. But I can’t help feeling the hollowness of these institutions. Not to mention very expensive tuition. I was fortunate to be on government assistantship because I really wouldn’t be able to afford one myself.

            The parties are fun at first, but it gets boring very fast. It’s mindless method to waste your idleness away. I got curious but it’s just not compatible with my set of values.

            Sorry to hear about your friend’s son loss.

          • bigmamat

            We have a lot of good smaller schools in my state as well as the oldest college in the country, William & Mary. My state is just stuffed with old colleges, many of them private. The two big ones, state supported, we’ve already mentioned. A lot of them are in small towns tucked away in the mountains. Some of them are very old, 100 years or more. You can get a good education in this state, from a decent school.

          • tomoe723

            I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that all schools I’ve visited there were bad. I’ve been to some religious schools, like from the Mormons and Catholics. It weirded me out at first, but it was a good experience. As long as I didn’t debate religion, the people were very nice and well-mannered. I haven’t been to state colleges, but I heard the students are more grounded. It’s just that the university experience left me a surreal superfluously lavish?? yet hollow impression. I don’t know how to describe it really. Even some undergrad I’ve known who couldn’t take the unrestrained lifestyle transferred back to a college near her hometown. I guess that’s the price I had to pay for “higher education”.

          • bigmamat

            Are you Korean? I’m sure it’s a bit of a culture shock. When I was at UVA a couple of years ago I saw a lot of Asian faces. We were in the seminary studies building using the bathrooms when I found a girl’s little purse. I looked inside for an ID. There wasn’t one but there was a card inside with Hangul written on it. My sister asked me is that Chinese. I told her no, it must have belonged to a Korean girl. We turned it in at the front desk. She was surprised I could tell the difference between Hanzi and Hangul. That’s white America.

          • tomoe723

            No, I’m not Korean. The culture shock wasn’t more of what I expected, it was more of what I didn’t normally see on television. I mean what’s being shown on TV about US culture is not false, but it also doesn’t show the deeper complexities of social life, like racism and poverty. It’s probably the same for other countries. I guess the difference is from pre-2000, US television mostly just showed the good things. So most people in Asia will think life must be so much better there. People must be so much kinder there. No social/political corruption problems or poor. It’s a very heavenly impression. But I’ve learned that people are still the same everywhere else on the planet. American problems are same as Asian problems on the community/social/political level. There are some distinct differences on the cultural level, like social hierarchy, humor, etiquette, customs/tradition, hospitality… but these can be transcended with little conflict.

            For white people not familiar with Asian culture, most Asians and their writing look the same. You’d be surprised that most Asians unfamiliar with Western culture act the same way too. Imagine a Russian/German ignorantly as Joe by the locals. I bet the foreigner is laughing his ass off inside.

          • bigmamat

            Many Americans obviously don’t see the poverty or social problems you seem to have witnessed. Many people in the higher echelons of society live in a bubble well insulated from it’s effects. A lot of regular Americans see it but choose to look away. Many even buy into the political meme that people on the fringes of society are somehow lazy and deserve their fate. I believe this is reaching a breaking point. Many middle class Americans who were comfortable in their large homes with their stable jobs and good schools are now unemployed or underemployed. Their children are struggling to find good paying jobs and most of them have crushing student loan debt that will limit their buying power for years to come. I have little sympathy for them. These are the same people who had no sympathy for blue collar workers when manufacturing jobs began moving overseas. They’ve supported the union busters, pension robbers and Wall St. They thought the blight that is corporate greed would never touch them. I can’t imagine what they actually thought. Did they think it would stop with blacks, immigrants and the working man? They are finding out the hard way. Some of them are still clinging to their old beliefs but the lie they’ve been told is slowing starting to dawn on many of them.

          • tomoe723

            I’ve seen that indifference and division when I lived there. How the blacks and some immigrants have been segregated by residential regions intentionally planned out by the city. If I wasn’t such an “adventurer”, I wouldn’t have seen the “other side” of the city. Trailer houses, prefabricated ones, makeshift shafts along dirt roads that ultimately connect to the freeway, but it’s very easy to miss those.

            It’s pretty much the same in Asia, although its worse in 3rd world Asian countries. The indifference to the poor from the rich/middle class is also the same here. The thought that they deserve it, or they’re lazy is also the same. Well, some poor are chronically lazy, and they’re the bums of society, but majority are stuck in that level because of the social/political structure, poor wages, educational system that dictates requirements to work for businesses, and many other stuff that seem to make the rich richer and the poor even poorer no matter how much effort they put in. It takes the effort of an entire generation to pull that family out of poverty, which I find very sad and depressing. I thought we were in the modern age already. The only corporations here that are worth mentioning that have big influences on regional growth/progress are some utilities (communications, electric companies) and department malls and government, of course. These corporations (and gov’t) have very backward practices and can keep a region stagnant of growth. I’ve seen how some other Asian countries’ gov’t focus too much on the capital city and take for granted its outlying provinces. As for medicine and petroleum…. and iPhones (electronics), most of Asia still relies on the west. Japan and China probably have their own internal medicine and electronics industry, I don’t know much about South Korea though.

          • bigmamat

            Sweetie you are singing my song. I’m am so disheartened for the world. I’m from a generation that thought these things were behind us. When I was young we thought we’d seen an end to poverty in my lifetime, an end to racism and sexism. It appears that the people who profit from these things continuing have pretty much won.

          • tomoe723

            Honestly, I feel sad for myself. I’m still in my early 30s and I see all these harsh realities already. A part of me sometimes wishes I remained ignorant and sheltered. But I suppose I couldn’t help it. I grew up from a poor-to-middle class family, learned hardships at a young age. I remember still sleeping on a blanket in the same small room with my folks until I turned 10. But thanks partly to my luck and intelligence, I was able to get opportunities that most people struggle hard to do so. I learned street-smarts in middle/high school, spent most of those days cutting classes exploring the city while most just hang out in arcades or similar fun joints. I do visit those areas sometimes and meet all kinds of people. In college, I joined a lot of outreach social activities but hardly cut classes no more because I did all that before college. Lol. I think my desire to understand how people behave, think, and feel got the better of me. I could have chosen a more indifferent boring lifestyle.

            From what we’ve both described, my impression is that it’s been happening before, continues to happen today, and will go on in the future until a real social revolution happens. This is partly why I think there’s a conspiracy going on. Lol. Or is it just collective human nature? Anyway, I don’t know how that revolution will come about. Maybe it will be slow, taking a hundred years to culminate, a gradual improvement from one generation to the next. I’d rather put my hopes in that slow peaceful one than a quick and dirty violent uprising of some sort.

            But the way things are now, I wouldn’t be surprised if there are violent revolutions happening some parts in the world.

          • NoOneKorean

            Hmm might be time to read another book…?

            Seriously, while in various ways some of what you said is true.. Unfortunately, it’s also UTTERLY irelevent..( again..)

            Korea BUILDs ships, this ship wasn’t even Korean, but Japanese, the steel probably came from Korean mills or other places not USA, the USA does not dictate how civil transport is run in Korea, just as it does not build Greedy scum bag Koreans who break these rules. Japan isn’t responsible, it’s not a North Korean plot, the CIA did not do it, the French might, since they have before, but have no reason….hmm MAYBE it’s the fault of KOREANS…? No wait, it must be the EU..? Kiribati..? The Hawaiian..? A teenage boy in Malawi..? About as logical as your argument, 4Fks sake…!??

          • tomoe723

            you misunderstood my point. i didn’t imply that the ferry accident was a direct u.s. plot. pls. read the entire comment thread first.

            of course it’s the koreans’ fault. but he might have been “influenced” by some u.s. agent. that’s how this conspiracy thought goes…

          • NoOneKorean

            Exploiting other country’s us a
            Korean specialty, and one they’ll learn to regret, learnt from US or Japan, maybe..? J and K are deeply racist countries, if you are Japanese, you’d know this.. IF you knew HOW to think, that is…

          • Learntothinktomoe

            Flicking seriously..? The ferry accident is a uS plot..? Wake th Fk up..? And us influences in both places are often very bad…and irrelevent here.. As for Japan, MOST of their problems stem from having their heads up their asses and thinking ” the Japanese way is best” which it often is utterly wrong..

            Anyway, Japan would be exceedingly unlikely to EVER have this problem.. The government officials, companies and staff take safety very seriously.. Much smaller problems on trains in Hokkaido were big news here, and the company involved was made to remedy systemic maintanence problems..

            Koreans have their ” Bali Bali ” hurry it up and fuck it up mentality, and the fact they allow lying cheating fucks run riot to blame.

          • tomoe723

            where did i say that the ferry accident was a u.s. plot? i didn’t intend that implication, what i meant was the gov’t practices being influenced by u.s.

            japan also has its share of safety issues being grossly overlooked. and it doesn’t happen in companies only, it also happens in gov’t agencies. and it’s not limited to physical safety only, but also social and economic concerns. although partly, like you said, the physical problems are minimized because of culture but they still exist. and when they do, they’re also very disastrous and catastrophic, like the fukushima nuclear plants back in 2011 earthquake.

            the korea “bali bali” is not unique to korea. it’s almost everywhere in asia. especially southeast asia. it just so happens that this time it was unfortunately linked to this accident. but china has those problems, malaysia and philippines, too. which all have high western influence as of yet.

      • ExecuteOwner

        Hmm a huh, and the moment I heard of this I said A some Korean greedy lying bastard did something bad..( he did) B it was overloaded ( 3 times the max it turns out, according to Jap media..) C they also took out the ballast.. ( how did I know..? And yes, apoarantly they did… Well, X this was a Japanese built ship, they don’t build unbalasted dogs..they build safe ships.. Y it’s just plain obvious if you see what happened and how, and have half a clue.. Most Korean Crews would also know, so conclusion Z Someone knowingly did this, and unbalasted ship is just not Kosher ANYWHERE…

        It turns out the half assed pricks on the crew didnt even secure cars with chains… This is the kind of slipshod corner cutting that happens in Korea every day, I doubt it’s common in the shipping industry though.. A ship being old, does not mean it’s unsafe. If you take the ballast out so you can load 3 times it limit on top, it will be.. And you d be garranteed an accident will happen. Do it to a new ship with a pro crew ( assuming they don’t know, since they d refuse to sail it..! ) and it WILL STILL SINK.

        • Downwithship

          ” Negative moment” equals guaranteed disaster. This was an accident waiting to happen.. Drag out the owner and execute him…! ( no really..! ) captain, too…

    • Koreabites

      I agree tha Koreans better wake the fuck up..

      Trouble is, will they when they act like this..? Maybe not..

      First and foremost, the irresponsible selfish ,( lying cheating bastrads..) greedy arrogant persons who own this ship AND the gutless crew, who knowingly ( or worse were so incredibly stupid to UNKNOWINGLY ) make this tragedy inevitable, deserve the death sentence..

      While Korea goes on at each other about who’s responsible , they seem not at all interested in ….” WHY CAN SOME KOREANS GET AWAY WITH BEING SUCH FUCKING SHITTY ASSHOLES..?

      KOREA deserves to be considered ” uncivilized” because such lying cheating greedy arrogant scum bags are allowed to flourish like weeds in your country. If the world thereby thinks your country is pond scum, who’s fault is it..? Ours..? ( don’t think so..) The small minority of Korean scumbags..? ( not quite..! The people of Korea who don’t do anything about these people..? ( yes, in the end…! ). The fact you guys suddenly blame the prime minister, for what you accept everyday, speaks volumes about just HOW uncivilized you really are..!

      • SparetheRodSpoiltheBoy

        If you are in Korea, you KNOw at least one as swipe like the cu,t prick who’s ulimate responsibility this was, the are under every other rock..

        So, why is it that you collectively don’t punish the fuck out of these scummy low life’s…? If these fucks grew up in my neighborhood, we d have punished their slimy asses since age of 10… Funnily enough, we didn’t HAVE anyone quite so slimy…by deed at least, funny that..!

        These little mummy’s boy walking ” ID ” s only flourish quite so well, in Korea..always boys, always super selfish and spoilt, and as “ID” ( not ” ego) they are incapable of understanding ” fair”, are never “wrong” or ” responipsible” and willing to do pretty much anything to anyone, if only they can get away with it… Congratulations mum and dad, it’s a boy…fucking psyco drop kick, what a joy to behold and thanks for sharing your little treasure with us…! ( sic)

  • If the country was as efficient and organized as Korean K-Pop culture…S. Korea would be a great country

    • LaoShu

      yeah and if China’s effort to clean up the air would be as efficient as they are in taking bribes.. oh you know what…

  • KCdude

    Now people are understanding that thinking good about South Korea is a very bad thing. If Anti-Christ ever comes to Earth, it would be a male Korean.

    God save the Queen.
    God save the Queen.

    • Sillian

      I can’t figure out your shtick. It’s not even hilarious. It’s just weird.

      • KCdude

        I’m simply religious. Nothing more, nothing less.

        • chucky3176

          If you were really religious, you’d have more sympathy for those victims rather than screaming absurd shits.

          See, this is why I hate those religious hypocrites. Lot of times its the non-religious people who seem far more rational than those self proclaimed god lovers. For instance, this shipping company is owned by a self proclaimed baptist pastor and his family who economically exploited his church. Imagine that, another religious nut cheating and brain washing people to make money off of.

          • KCdude

            You cannot differentiate between a Christian cult and a well-established Christian tradition. I am proud to be humble and poor under my Queen (a great poster-child of freedom and peace) and God. And you compare me with this cult-ish Korean nutjob? Now that’s a-ok. I can tolerate this insult from you. I deserve it. I absolutely deserve to be treated worse-than-dirt from you.

            I don’t want to hate atheists not because of their soul-less approach to the world. It’s that atheism has become a religion-like thing. It’s absolutely pointless.

          • which weird old cult do you belong to?

          • KCdude

            Anglicanism. One of the biggest Christian denominations in the world. Headquartered in London/Canterbury.

          • never heard of it…does it promise an afterlife if you join this cult?

          • KCdude

            Well, yes. Join us. It’s as legit as the Roman Catholic Church since we’re not “cult-ish” Protestants.

          • linette lee

            Catholics and Christians are getting attacked because of people like you. Good religion supposed to make you a better person, more love, teach you forgiveness, selfless, and tolerance. Look at the countries that are formed under the influence of Christianity and those that are not. The Christian countries their gov’t laws and constitutions are written under the influence of Christianity. The biggest problem with the people in non Christian countries like Asia, the Asian people and their Asian gov’t system is that they don’t practice the law and beliefs of Christianity. That is why you have all these caste system and social inequality among their own citizens.

          • KCdude

            “Catholics and Christians are getting attacked because of people like you.”

            Now that’s very harsh, don’t you think? I had never insult a human being in the name of Christianity. Have I insulted any Korean in the name of God? No. The only recent harsh comment I made was about criticizing Korea as a country.

            And by the way, I don’t recognize any modern republics. God only approves Christian monarchy.

            “The Christian countries their gov’t laws and constitutions are written under the influence of Christianity.”

            English Common Law = Originally Islamic (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7631388.stm)

            And I don’t complain that English laws are Islamic. The English law has always been secular since its inception.

            Continental European + Scandinavian laws = Pre-Christian

            If you don’t know the generic history of European (arguably still Christian) countries, then please don’t say a word about it.

          • linette lee

            English Common Law = Originally Islamic

            Tell that to the UK people. They all will tell you not true. LOL.

          • KCdude

            I don’t think this is a problem. England or broadly the United Kingdom have supported the Ahmadiyya Islamic movement in India and Pakistan. And it also supports the Agha Khan, a Shi’ite Islamic group.

            Besides, modern chemistry and mathematics are originally Islamic.

            Picture this. The British Commonwealth has a longer history of interaction with Muslims. And the whole anti-Islamic sentiment comes from the USA, not the UK.

            But should I be happy that South Korean laws adapted Japanese laws following the colonization? Hence the South Korean society works very similar to the Japanese society. I want South Korea to become more independent by getting rid of its current Japanese laws.

          • The English law has always been secular since its inception. Pure Bullshit!

            Catholic schools were forbidden under the Penal laws from 1723 to 1782.

            The Penal laws targeted education by the main Catholic religious orders, whose wealthier establishments were occasionally confiscated. The laws aimed to force Irish Catholics of the middle classes and gentry to convert to Anglicanism if they wanted a good education in Ireland.

            But don’t let that stop the Sycophancy you so delight in.

          • KCdude

            Penal laws are secular in the first place. Nothing religious about it.

          • You just keep telling yourself that.

          • KCdude

            And I will. At least I accept the reality that my idea is different from others. Atheists or anti-Christians don’t care about the differences of thoughts and just accuse good Christians as public enemies. I don’t like this. But what can I do?

          • elizabeth

            To set the record straight, “God only approves Christian monarchy” only if you mean worshipping Christ as King.

            Otherwise, Romans 13 says that all leaders are allowed by God.

          • KCdude

            Do you want to make me into a Jehova’s Witness? First of all, we follow very close to Roman Catholic traditions. And I like it that way.

          • elizabeth

            No, you are free to believe what you want but I believe that the Bible is the ultimate authoritative word of God. II Timothy 3:16 & 17.

            I am not a Jehovah Witness.

            We should leave it at that. This is about the Sewol tragedy and I’d like to show some respect.

          • KCdude

            There are many ways to interpret biblical verses. Except that I am totally against any biblical interpretation from Jehova’s Witness.

            A strict interpretation of the Bible will produce dangerous Christian sects. Why risking this?

            “This is about the Sewol tragedy and I’d like to show some respect.”

            Of course.

          • elizabeth

            No, they are attacked because they articulate their beliefs which often run counter to popular culture and ruffle feathers.

            Besides, Christianity is not as narrow as what you think it should be…’good religion’. Don’t force Christians to conform to your expectations, if you are serious about rights and freedom.

            Let’s leave it at that.

          • KCdude

            “Don’t force Christians to conform to your expectations, if you are serious about rights and freedom.”

            Never forced. Just expressing my vocal opinion that happened to anger some people here. Haven’t you noticed that my way of talking is less offensive to others?

          • chucky3176

            And who is this “queen” you constantly talk of? Isn’t that worshipping humans, as strictly forbidden by your God? By the way, I love how each Christian sects call each other “cults”. The “Saviour’s Church”, which you call a “cult”, will probably look at your church and say your church is a cult.

          • KCdude

            You haven’t heard of Queen Elizabeth II? The Queen of England? She is also the head of the Church of England. That’s right. She owns the Church of England and its humanitarian wing.

          • chucky3176

            Worshipping the queen, sounds like a cult to me.

          • KCdude

            I repeat. Being proud under my Queen isn’t same as worshiping my Queen.

          • Boris

            This guy is clearly a troll. Why take the bait?

          • KCdude

            Sure, call me a troll. I’ll forgive you.

          • KCdude

            Implying that I do worship the Queen. Being proud under my Queen isn’t same as worshiping my Queen. You’re very biased. But I wouldn’t call you in bad names. We think differently after all.

          • kpopwillneverstop

            Oh, well. I’m Christian and I was praying for the incident. Not every Christian is like KCdude, so thanks for generalizing us…not.

  • thenewgenesis
  • chucky3176

    After almost 300 highschool kids at Danwon highschool got wiped out in one shot in the ferry disaster, there are now only 88 students left in the school, including the survivors and those who didn’t make the trip. Not to mention that 11 teachers also died on this trip, and one teacher who killed himself.

    I guess we can safely say this school is now toast.

  • chucky3176

    Comments from a former retired ship captain:

    “What if I was the captain on that ship that day? Once you’ve been sailing the ship for a long time, you become indifferent. You know what your responsibilities are, but your head becomes numb. You end up thinking that your main job is to just sail the ship. You don’t think about if the lifeboats are working, or if you have enough lifejackets. In the beginning, I also worried about all those things. But later on, I also became desensitized, thinking that the shipping company will take care of everything.”

  • Guest

    Not really on any side, but I find korean leftists are just as bad or worse sometimes than rightist Ilbe. Why do leftists think its alright to spread rumors or anti government sentiment but rightists cant do the same in criticizing? One thing for certain is that leftists in korea are less objective and less critical thinkers than rightists. They are so preoccupied with blaming the president or blaming someone that they don’t see the real issues. They are more focused on the inappropriate color of park geun hye’s suit when meeting obama than fixing korea’s safety regulations. That to me is uncivilized.

  • takasar1

    The boy spoke the truth, was he lying? An alarming number of people seem to have this highly illogical “black and white” mentality and enjoy blaming authority or the wealthy for problems which are either their own doing or which are caused by no one in particular

  • kpopwillneverstop

    Koreabang, can you translate this article talking about how the ferry captain was rescued witihout his pants on and was in a room with a korean woman and filipina singer?

    http://news.nate.com/view/20140430n06847

    • Guest

      It says exactly what you mentioned. He’s also been caught before, drinking on the job, when he was captaining the other ship on the same route. Former employees of the company say he didn’t just drink, he drank so much he went into stupors. He also didn’t drink alone. He liked to put big drinking bash up parties involving his crew. I think he was either drunk, sleeping it off, or having sex, or could even be both.

  • elizabeth

    The coast guard could carry out a survey among the relatives of those still missing and find out whether they want the ferry lifted or left on the seabed until all bodies have been recovered. Or have they already done that?

    They should make a decision accordingly. You can’t please everyone. Punish those who are the originators of the problem, not those who are trying to solve the problem created by others.

  • Guest

    Update

    Arirang currenlty has a chart at the upper right corner of the site with the latest stats:

    Total: 476
    Dead 242
    Missing 60
    Rescued 174

    There are no more survivors, it’s impossible, but I’m praying now that the bodies of the remaining 60 will be recovered and soon.

  • harvz

    So she’s disbanding the coast guard on the grounds that they didn’t perform their duties properly? Seems like a blame game to me.

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