An account of Kim Yuna backstage at Olympics; Netizens moved

From Daum:

‘Yuna, who was crying her eyes out, suddenly..’ Eyewitness account of what happened backstage.. Netizens moved by the words of a broadcasting company staff member

김연아, 그리움과 애절함

‘Yuna cried a lot backstage. That was why the awards ceremony was a bit delayed.’

In contrast with her calm appearance after the women’s singles figure skating competition, ‘figure skating queen’ Kim Yuna (24) looked extremely sad backstage and shed many tears, according to an eyewitness account that was uploaded to the Internet. It has caught the attention of many people, and many netizens are crying together.

In a popular Internet community on the 3rd of March, a post titled ‘Kim Yuna is a delicate athlete after all’ has recorded a high number of hits and has gained a lot of public interest.

Korean digital TV staff member Mr. A, who was sent to Sochi to provide live coverage for the Olympics, wrote that Kim Yuna looked extremely sad immediately after the competition.

Mr. A wrote ‘women’s figure skating was a heartbreaking competition’ and ‘Yuna cried a lot backstage. That was why the awards ceremony was a bit delayed.’

He said that the atmosphere at the competition already put Kim Yuna at a disadvantage starting from the short program.

Mr. A said, ‘Yuna’s staff as well as the skaters from other countries all felt it.’ He added, ‘No matter what, I didn’t think she would get the gold. It just felt that way. No matter what happened, A Russian skater would’ve got the gold.’

Despite the fact that fans at the competition were unilaterally cheering for Russia and the judges giving biased scores, Kim Yuna skated her second perfect, flawless performance and calmly smiled as she rose up to the awards ceremony. Mr. A highly acclaimed her for this action.

He said, ‘I am grateful to Yuna because she delivered a clean performance despite that mess of a situation. I almost cried because although she cried like that backstage, she was smiling a lot and calmly rose to the stage during the award ceremony. Her mother also cried a lot.’ He added, ‘Even during the press conference when there were no cameras around, she thanked everyone one by one and also took pictures with others.’ He also wrote that Kim Yuna’s personality could be seen through these actions.

Whether Mr. A was really a broadcasting company staff member or not could not be confirmed. However, his words have spread everywhere on the Internet, touching the hearts of many netizens.

Netizens who read this article responded with comments such as ‘Yuna~ sniff sniff~, Tears come to my eyes whenever I read anything about you,’ ‘Thank you, Kim Yuna. Thank you for everything, and thank you for handling it honorably,’ and I had no idea you were so sad backstage. You may be heartbroken, but we will always cheer for you.’

Kim Yuna shaking hands with Russia's Sotnikova.

Kim Yuna shaking hands with Russia’s Sotnikova.

Comments from Daum:

자유인님: [8671 upvotes at the time of translation]

Yuna is the queen of the ice [pun on silver, 銀반=은반=ice rink], and Sotnikova will soon [pun on gold, 金방=금방=soon] disappear. In Canada, there is a flood of requests to review the scores. The Korea Skating Union can’t even protect its own athletes.

인생역전님: [responding to above]

You are a genius! Ha ha

산소같은여자님: [responding to above]

Wow, your pun is the best!

김태균님: [responding to above]

Oh, such wonderful words.

민뿅님: [responding to above]

You must feel better right after that. That was awesome, ke ke ke ke ke ke.

Kim Yuna crying backstage, but calm and composed on stage

Kim Yuna backstage and on stage

쉬엄쉬엄님: [5372 upvotes at the time of translation]

Kim Yuna, our figure skating queen forever.

들개님: [responding to above]

Yuna, please understand that we don’t know what to say except ‘thanks’……………!!!

쁘띠아빠님: [responding to above]

An inspiration of our era! I am glad that I live in this period!!!

Oulee님: [responding to above]

Yuna’s personality is like that of a queen, too. She is a really great role model. Thank you ~♥

JungMR님: [responding to above]

The world knows the truth, so this kind of article might just make Yuna feel uncomfortable. Yuna has already transcended beyond everything. What goes around comes around. Yuna is free. Only those who have sinned will carry that sin to the afterlife as a memento.

playerplay님: [responding to above]

Does spring come even to the lost fields? Is there hope if our presidency is illegitimate? Can we find a gold medal if it is lost?

카라님: [responding to above]

Despite Kim Yuna’s spectacular short program performance, the gap in scores between her and second place was too low. That’s because the winner of the gold medal had already been decided.

kataomoi님: [5047 upvotes at the time of translation]

Long live the queen. For Queen Yuna.

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  • mei mei

    aww Yuna.
    stupid russians

    • markus peg

      Blame the Olympic judges not the host country.

      • [email protected]

        Exactly. I think the girls did fine and I’m still a bit of a Slavophile, its just that the judges were fucked up.

        • Moniisek

          You mean you like Russians? Careful with that. Slavs are not only Russians and the rest of Slavic ethnicities would be VERY angry to be lumped together with them.

          • [email protected]

            …I like all of them? All of the Slavic countries have such beautiful languages and cultures. That’s why I said Slavophile, not Russophile.

          • Moniisek

            Aha, promiň. Sorry, just to make sure ;)

    • Moniisek

      Russia is a big country with lots of poeple and it’s impossible for each and every one of them to carry a bit of guilt. In fact, it’s unreasonable to go around and spout xenophobic nonsense like that.
      These Olympics were all about politics and Putin trying to make himself the next Stalin. Journalists in Russia were openly told that if they criticize anything they will be fired. So I think that even the judges were kind of trapped.

      • mei mei

        blah blah blah … stupid russians

        • x

          stupid chinese

          • mei mei

            lol butthurt stupid russian

          • milo

            mei mei is a troll. Not Chinese or a female. 99% sure he is a male gyopo. Honestly, is the only insult you guys know “butthurt”? Is it your go to insult becuase you enjoy to fist your anus?

          • mei mei

            and what are you? another stupid russian?

          • Moniisek

            Yuna, being so cool and classy herself, would be overjoyed to see her fans acting like immature brats.

  • Peter K

    This happens when you hold the Olympics in a non-democratic/instable country which is known for it’s corrupt state. It is so sad that money can buy the Olympics(or Football Worldcups) regardless of ethical believes. And the most sad thing about it, the Performers who work so hard for their dream, and pay the price physically and mentally are burdend with this additional problem which should not exist. And even now the Russians invading Crimea, again the Para-olympians in Sotchi have to be worried with this.

    • takasar1

      Lol, I’m guessing the Koreans were undemocratic in1988

      • Peter K

        Maybe, i don’t know about the circumstances at that time since i was too young and never lived in Korea…..

        What i mean is that the country hosting should be stable and follow some basic human rights laws. Not a place where war is immenant, corruption is present from the general public up to the president, the people are starving and the money goes to building the olympic town and workers are more slaves than employees.

        E.g. Qatar (WC2022) or Brasil(WC2014). I also wouldn’t want to see them go to Turkey, Syria or North Korea for that matter. It should be about the Sport not the conflicts present in the country.

        • takasar1

          and that is the point; the olympics should be divorced from politics. that is the reason why they should go to north korea/cuba/qatar because the olympics are a representation of the fact that athletes can/should compete with each other regardless of race, colour, political disposition, etc. fact is that the ancient olympics, much like the present version, were nothing more than a failed attempt to introduce a period in which hostilities and hegemonic ambitions ceased momentarily whilst the good men and women of greece instead directed their attention towards games held to honor a god (i can’t be bothered to check which). political drama has played out in almost all the games held during the cold war, tensions were present in 2008 too and now in 2014. they have never and will never leave, yet to simply ostracize nations because they can be classed ‘unstable’ by geopolitical rivals/detractors is sheer stupidity and goes against the essence and spirit of the olympics; an event which should transcend politics and instead unite us all for a very brief moment in celebration of our shared humanity/heritage/ambitions

          • Paulistano

            Yes, I totally agree with you man. I imagine if Africa was a developed continent like Europe, I bet Olympics would be VERY boring thing since black africans are taller and stronger, they just lack of investment in the area.

        • Paulistano

          Peter K, Qatar is filthy rich, the population is relativity small but they enjoy building luxury things. Besides that, population does not starve, they live pretty well.

          Brazil is another history, I totally agree with you, corruption here is tremendous. I’m gonna describe the situation here by copying your statement: ”…corruption is present from the general public up to the president, the people are starving and the money goes to building the olympic town and workers are more slaves than employees.” Bingooo!!! The only thing that I would remove is the part of starving, people are not starving because the government gives free money to poor people, but they don’t give education, infra-structure, security… Total Populism.

      • Paulistano

        Takasar1, yes, you guessed, but you guessed wrong!!! Read more about what are you typping, it doesn’t hurt and It’s very quick to research in Google.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_South_Korea

        I remember reading some years ago abou Olympics history, and I cleary remember that in 1988, South Korea held this event partially to demonstrate and commemorate the democratization of the country.

      • Sillian

        Around then would be considered to be a transitional period. The June Uprising was in 1987.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_Democracy_Movement

      • kimchibitch

        Yes, at that time the president of Korea was a former dictator’s friend.

        • takasar1

          Doesn’t mean that he wasn’t democratically elected

          • kimchibitch

            When most of brainwashed elders voted for him just because he was close to their former glorious supreme dictator, I guess no one can say he was “democratically” elected. (Also, most Korean sociologists see President Kim Young Sam as the first Korean president to be democratically elected.)

          • kangsongdaeguk

            I have read “A History of Korea” by Michael J. Seth and agree with this.

    • One for all

      1988, 2002…..will 2018 follow the same pattern? I willing to bet on it!

  • Kyu

    Why does everyone blame the judges? Maybe she should have tried harder. Tired of Korea worshipping and praising the big crybaby. Others were proud to receive lesser scores and she was upset? Get over yourself.

    • MeCampbell30

      [trolling intensifies]

    • Doge Wallace

      Moron alert.

  • chucky3176

    This article is bull shit. It’s making it look like she was crying because she didn’t get the gold. Later she explained why she cried. She cried because she was relieved that it was finally over, that she came this far, and that this was the end of her long career. She was relived and happy that it was over. She must have have suffered a lot with her body taking the toll of injuries (she had a cracked foot when she was skating for gold) over the years, she said she never wants to see another pair of skates again.

    I don’t know if the translator just did a poor job, or if this was intentional to take shots at Sochi figure skating officials, but I’ll have to look at the original article to decide, what the purpose of this article is. Because it’s doing a total disservice to Yuna Kim and her character.

    • chucky3176

      So after reading the Daum article, they’re just putting their own take on what happened on why Kim was crying. They were wrong, as usual.

      Here, Yuna explains flatly it had nothing to do with losing gold, and she even said she really didn’t care if she got the gold, and that even if she won the gold, she would have cried. She said:

      “김연아는 “(팬들이)나를 불쌍히 여기고 억울하게 생각한다. 안타깝고, 속상하다고도 한다. 하지만 나는 아무런 생각이 없었다. 어이가 없었지만 끝났다는 것에 기분이 좋았다”며 “지금도 그렇다. 결과가 나온 이후로 결과에 대해 되새김질해 본 적이 없다”고 말했다.”

      “Lot of my fans are heaping their pity on me and think a wrong was done. They are sad and upset, but I didn’t think about anything. It was a bit outrageous (not clear here is she meant the result of the scores, or the feeling of numbness that her career was over with this program), but I felt good that it was over. I still feel the same now. I never looked back on the results.”

      http://www.newsis.com/ar_detail/view.html?ar_id=NISX20140304_0012763167&cID=10501&pID=10500.

      Yuna herself hasn’t said anything to argue the results, but the two other younger Korean figure skaters that skated that night and saw what happened, thought a great injustice was done. I guess that’s where people getting the wrong impressions, and the Korean media upping the antics is also something to do with it. They should just leave her alone, and stop trying to use her to score points.

      • Peter K

        Thanks for the research and clarification! It is good to know that she wasn’t upset because of it, but i still think (like may others who are actually in the Iceskateing business) she was screwed!

        But it the best for her not to get worked up about this since it would be a battle she couldn’t win and would only bring more stress.

        • Doge Wallace

          I’d like to believe Yuna, but I find it hard to believe she would cry that much *just* because she was all done with skating.

          Knowing how classy Yuna is, she’s denying being upset about the gold because even if she was upset about it (which she should be), she wouldn’t be the one to turn it into an issue. Keep in mind, she herself said it was “outrageous” (“dumbfoundead” could work too for 어이가 없다), and left it at that.

          Also, it’s pretty obvious to *most* people that she was robbed, and they’re already vocal about it, and so are her own teammates. I think her teammates would know better than any of us.

          I mean, do you really believe Yuna is telling the truth about not caring about the gold? Come on, what did she train so hard for? Thousands of hours of practice to perform beautifully for a few minutes, with the aim of getting the gold, only to have what you worked so hard for given to someone who clearly doesn’t deserve it. She *knows* she got screwed after all that effort – of course she’s glad it’s over and she can retire, but it had to end on such a shitty note.

          Yuna’s not honest about not being upset… she’s just behaving the way a true Queen would. (with class)

          • kimchibitch

            What are you? A mind reader?

          • Doge Wallace

            Yeah, and I can tell you’re a bitch. :)

      • John

        Indeed, what you write is true. In fact she said that she’s happy ending second after flawless performance and even bought 1001 wihite and red roses for winning.

    • wrle

      because this is koreabang lol.

  • Numonly

    I just (have a little) hope that South Korea will not do the same thing in the Incheon Asian Game this year.

  • [email protected]

    This makes Yuna and Mao’s performances so great in hindsight. I’m still really bummed out about the fact that I’ll never see them be rivals again T_T

  • Realist

    Why are Koreans such terrible losers? Figure skating is a judged event. In the history of judged events, there has not been a single competition where everyone received a fair score and nobody though something was unfair. In the 2004 Olympics, Russian gymnast Alexei Nemov lost a gold medal due to a mathematical error, which drove the crowd wild in protest, but he stepped forth to calm the audience and Russia didn’t make a big deal about it. In 2012, Chinese gymnast Chen Yibing was mugged of a gold medal on the rings by a highly lackluster performance by a Brazilian, but neither the athlete nor China made a big deal about it. These are the actions of great countries that produce many champions. WHY can Korea simply NOT let this go and live on? This is such small country-mentality and weakness. Be an admirable country. Shrug off injustices (or perceived injustices) and produce more champions… if you can. Don’t be small and petty, beating to death the issue of possible unfairness to a former champion.

    • milo

      Becuase the victim mentality is so strong in Koreans that they can’t help but think they are being personally targeted. They believe that the whole world is against Korea and other countries will stop at nothing to humiliate Koreans and steal Korean victories. And if it’s not that it’s becuase those dastardly Japanese have paid off everyone so that Korea will lose. Oh, Japan also pays off most media companies around the world to print negative stories about Korea. I’m sure Japan must have had a hand in Yuna’s silver medal disgrace.

      It’s just like how Koreans seem to think the Japanese occupation of Korea was the worst crime in human history. They seem to forget that every country the Japanese went near got shat on pretty terribly.

      It is ingrained in the national psyche that they are and always will be the victims of external forces. So even though i’m sure the wailing and gnashing of teeth after Yuna lost was real, sub counsciously they were content becuase they had won more insult against them to add into the great book of victimhood that they will cherish for generations to come.

      • CK7

        Rubbish! Rubbish! Rubbish!
        Why are you so stupid? You choose to respond to a post that fits your agenda while ignoring someone like Chucky’s post that’s spot on.
        Wouldn’t surprise me if realist and Milo= same person.
        Stupid ass troll!

        • milo

          Why am I so stupid? I’m not sure. It’s not something I ponder often. My question for you is “Why do you finger your ass while listening to Girls Generation?” Please respond with at least 50 words.
          I don’t have an agenda. What some of you have to understand is that for people who don’t have a dog in this fight, it all seems fairly silly. I’m sorry if it embarrasses you to read my comment. Obviously it made you angry, what with “Rubbish!” three times no less.
          Chucky wants to insist that Yuna Kim was out the back after having lost the gold, crying tears of joy because finally her career was over. Sounds legit.
          My point had nothing to do with that becuase I wan’t addressing Chucky.

          • CK7

            You’re stupid because you bring Japan into this discussion when this article has nothing to do with Japan. Chucky stayed true to the topic. You’re trying to stir up shit. In other words, trolling. I don’t give a damn about girls generation and I’m not angry no matter how much you want me to be. Figures why you bring up Japan, you’re nothing but a Japanese nationalist, Japophile, Jap 2cher, or Japan apologist. Now go back to your Japhole dickhead.

          • realist

            Yup, doesn’t sound angry to me…

          • milo

            Basically you don’t like what I say and so you are getting all steamed up over it. Calm down buddy. Who said we have to stay exactly on topic?
            Also, I like how the moment someone mentions Japan they are immediately a Japanese nationalist. Good logical deduction.
            You are an angry little man. How about you argue the points made, instead of spazzing out and foaming at the mouth while you accuse people of having alter egos, being secret Japanese nationalists and god knows what else.

          • CK7

            To stay on topic is what the forum, article, and discussion is all about. Just like how everyone else here is doing. If you go off topic, then you’re trolling. I like to be a bit more respectful and not derail its topic for the sake of everyone. You can save the Japan talk for some other day, which I’m certain will come up plenty times considering the relationship between these neighboring countries. But you chose to be a dick by taking a cheap shot, which Japanese nationalists are well known to do in Korea forums and in many occassions posing as Non-Japanese. Hence, I figured you’re just another Japanese nationalist/2Cher. If you truly are not as I thought, then my bad. Just don’t be so mad at me for it, lol.

      • takasar1

        Agreed

      • Sillian

        You keep mentioning Japan but it’s a two-way street. There has been strong hostility towards Kim Yuna coming from many Japanese netizens. When Yuna won the gold in Vancouver, conspiracy theories hit an all-time high on the Japanese web. A Japanese blogger nicknamed ‘Kuroneko’ even published a book slandering her. If you google ‘Kim Yuna’ in Japanese, the autocomplete words include ‘hated person, 嫌われ者’ and ‘match fixing, 八百長’ and ‘bad personality, 性格悪い’. Did you also see all the Japanese comments on this petition?

        http://www.change.org/ru/%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B8/korean-netizens-apologize-to-adelina-sotnikova

        The long-lasting netizen feud is childish and not very intriguing but people like you may not know the whole story and tend to pin everything on Koreans.

        • milo

          Yeah I’m well aware of the nut bars over there. Certainly as childish. And sometimes even nastier.
          The difference I’ve found, having lived in both Japan and Korea is that in Japan you don’t hear about this stuff in everyday life. I never heard a single negative word about Korea in the 26 months I lived in Japan. And I’m not implying that the Japanese are these amazingly polite beings, becuase they were more than happy to go off on the Chinese. Dirty, animals, criminals, rude….just some of the things I heard Chinese described as in Japan.
          But in general, at work, out at night, with friends, people are not talking about these kinds of things.

          • Sillian

            The difference between online and offline public sentiments in Japan has been noticed. The most extreme and infamous netouyo community that turned into a real life group is zaitokukai that only targets Koreans. The netouyo are clearly known to be disproportionately more obsessed with Koreans. One reason might be that Japanese and Korean internet and netizens are very accessible to each other through various routes and negative stories sell even if they are exaggerated, fabricated or downright false. It’s very easy to collect dirt online.

      • Anonymous

        I see a lot of Japanese nationalist trolls all over the Internet, instead of trying to calm people down, only add fuel to the fire,
        out of pure spite and hatred. An example is the petition posted saying “Korean netizens apologize to Sotnikova.” I suspect that the petition was possibly started by a Japanese pretending to be a Russian (like they do so often on Youtube or other websites with commenting allowed), considering almost all the signatures on that petition are from Japan. Let’s be fair, some (but definitely not all) of the trolls online complaining about the result may be Japanese pretending to be Koreans, since they like to stir s*** up, with their countless political rant Youtube videos. I will say that I’m 100% sure Japanese had no influence on the women’s figure skating result, and had nothing to do with Kim getting a silver.

        Another example are the comments by Japanese so many websites saying, see, look, this is proof that Koreans are mentally unbalanced and here is a list of all previous incidents when they bullied people or complained? The majority of South Korea has moved on and doesn’t care anymore about the controversy; they’re concerned about jobs and paying their bills. The handful of South Koreans who have complained or made a fuss or made nasty comments are stupid people worked up about an irrelevant sporting result, but what can you do about internet trolls? I suspect they may be mentally ill or teenagers unable to control their emotions. They need to grow the f up and not get worked over an irrelevant women’s sport result.

        Let’s not forget the Japanese have done bad things too like – put a banner saying “Japanese only” during a J-League football match
        because one of the players there happens to have Korean ancestry, or more disturbingly, Japanese frequent marches saying “Kill All Koreans.”

    • commander

      I think you are wrong.

      Unfair judging is not something to endure but protest against.

      I mean all those who should have clinched gold medals can voice their protest though they decided against it, so did Yu na.

      But people who saw their athletes get ting a raw deal can voice dissatisfactiom with the result, which could bring about changes for impartial assessment at the next competition. This is exactly what South Korean fans of figure skater Kim Yuna did.

      So, what’s wrong with those fans calling for an overhaul of judging at figure skating and clapping for a gold medal to Kim Yu na?

      • Realist

        They are doing wayyy more than that. It is ok if they feel that the current system was unfair and wanted change but they are trying to open an actual investigation to change the scores in Sochi and as anyone knows, that’s just not possible. Olympic medals don’t change except for doping. Even when won in mathematical error, gold medals don’t get taken away and reissued. The Koreans even wrote an article about “han”, the feeling of such injustice that turns the dead into ghosts… for what? A sports result! Countries often think their athletes got a raw deal. But it takes a big country to realize that it’s just a sport, a game for entertainment. Not everything’s fair in life. Korea can’t seem to get past that.

        • Sillian

          Olympic medals don’t change except for doping.

          What about the pair’s figure skating scandal in 2002?

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Winter_Olympics_figure_skating_scandal

          • realist

            Wow, I really did not know about this event. I suppose if a judge has a mental break-down and cries, saying how she was pressured to cheat, that could happen. Is that what the Koreans are going for? I doubt it’s going to happen. It’s honestly kind of sad to try to win your gold medals this way. Even if it did come to a gold medal being reissued (which it certainly won’t in this case), it would cause a global loss of respect for Korea’s sportsmanship spirit. Have some dignity; it’s just a game.

          • Sillian

            There is nothing inherently wrong with raising your voice about matches that you strongly believe were unfair. It’s only a matter of how far you should go. For Kim Yuna, there are a lot of hardcore fans who have emotionally supported her for a long time. For many Koreans, she is not just a common Olympian they only get to see every few years.

        • commander

          You seem to not understand possible ramifications of South Korean fans’ call for probe in an apparent bid to give the gold medal to who shoud have won.

          If the investigation is launched and brings a turnaround, few unfair judging will be made in the future as any improprieties can be reversed in the face of rightful public pressure against any biased calls.

          That will also contributes to improved judging abilities.

          And there will be no poignant tear from wronged athletes who dedicated more than four years to their sports. And that will make the world fairer.

          • realist

            No, it can’t. Because over 90% of the calls for probe are from Korea, so it can be dismissed as bias. And that is what happened. The world just isn’t fair, especially if you do judged sports. The weak emphasize being fair. The strong silently overcome disadvantage and win anyway.

          • commander

            That the probe requests derive mainly from one nation doesn’t mean that they can’t be justified.

            Dismissing complaints as illegitimate just because they come from one nation is another form of discrimination.

            If you’re opposed to the argument for probe, you need to put forward more compelling grounds.

            And Realist,

            As a matter of fact, the world can be unfair. But realistically perceiving disparity is one thing, calling for change is another.

            Many self-proclaimed realists tend to be pessimistic and effectively defend injustice arguing that that’s the way it goes and that if you change the world, get more power.

            While acquiescing the injustices by the strong, how could the weak can get more power to make a difference?

          • realist

            Of course it matters that it all came from Korea. You don’t really think this is about fairness and changing the rules to better the future, do you? If Kim had not competed and the controversy was between a Russian and the Italian, do you think even 1 Korean would care about judging fairness? Be real here. The Koreans are specifically pissed that their Ice Queen didn’t get gold even though her performance was comparable to that of Sotnikova. It’s not about change, or justice, or bettering the future. It’s about Koreans loving Yuna (and honestly, I like her too) and they wanna see her get a gold medal. If it was Kostner vs Sotnikova on a few points for gold, no Korean would even bother to weigh in. So yeah, the fact that all the signatures came from Korea matter.

          • commander

            You are completely on the wrong side.

            You’re right to say that few Koreans would voice discontent if disputed judging involved athletes from other countries.

            But it’s natural.
            The world is compartmentalized into nation states, and nation states are bolstered by nationalism and patriorism, though with varying degrees.

            So is it wrong for people to root for an athlete who represent their country and protest agasint what they, along with other experts and fans ftom other countries, see as patently clear favoritism?

            Showing great passion for an athlete cannot be judged as wrong just because they would not display equal degree of interest in possible unfair judging involving athletes of other nationality.

            Suppoe you live in a country.

            That you are a resident in that country means you should voice protest against injustices that happened, are occuring and will take place in that country?

            A big no.

            People take collective action to lay bare wrongful acts for changes. Acting in group is important to bringing public attention to what would otherwise remain unnocticed issues.

            If Soptnikova and Kostner were embroiled in a unfair judging scandal, it would be Russians or Italians who have to come out and chant for disinterested assessment, not Koreans.

            Why Koreans have to take action for them?

            You, Realist make a unrealistic case.

          • CK7

            You don’t just shrug off injustices done to you. You file a complaint or protest, get your point across to bring awareness to the injustices done. Then you move on. That way in the future, there will be less injustices. Unless you don’t mind injustices to keep coming towards your way, lol.
            Easy for you to say to just shrug it off, “it’s only a sport”. Yes it’s only a sport, we get that. But you need to understand that for these athletes, it’s their career. These athletes spill blood, sweat, and tears for four years just to make it to the olympics. Winning a gold in the olympics changes their lives for the better and there’s no guarantee that they will make it to the olympics again in the next four years. This isn’t some pick up baskeball game at the Y where it wouldn’t be a problem to just shrug off. Think about it.

          • realist

            “You don’t just shrug off injustices done to you. You file a complaint or protest, get your point across to bring awareness to the injustices done. Then you move on. ” Agreed. The Korean Olympic delegation files a protest; if it’s good, it’s good. If not, get over it and move on, as you said. This is wayyyy past the point of moving on. I say it’s only a sport because it’s only a sport. It doesn’t matter how hard that athlete worked; it does not justify being a sore loser (which Yuna was not, but her country was) and other athletes worked just as hard. Shrugging it off is good for you. It gives you peace when you cannot do anything about it anyway and it makes you look real big. But, you’re not convinced, because this isn’t a basketball game with your pals. So OK, buddy. If you don’t wanna shrug it off, give ’em hell! Go crazy! Send threats to the Olympic committee. Do everything possible and more. In 20 years, I wanna see you on the street with a protest sign about this. I would love to see how far you think this can go. I’m telling you, it’s done. The medals are staying. Anything more you do, just makes Korea look like a sore loser and a squealing pig in the international sports committee. I’m not telling you to shrug it off cus I want to protect a Russian medal here; I’m telling you to shrug it off so you stop looking like a fool to everyone else. It’s up to you.

          • CK7

            Your argument doesn’t hold no matter how much you wanna put down Korea, which is your ill intention on this forum. Korean officials did not go crazy. Korean olympic officials merely asked for a review. And the online petition by the Netizens, so fucking what? Netizens are Netizens worldwide.
            If anything most of the worldwide media outside of Korea are the ones bitching about this injustice.
            Realist, my question to you is why can’t you Shrug Off those damned Korean netizens? It makes you look like a sore Korean hater. lol
            You need to move on. lol

    • Sillian

      While I agree with the general argument that you shouldn’t go too far when your team or an athlete you support loses due to some unfair judging, I’m glad sports riots or hooliganism like these are unseen in Korea.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_riot

      All you get from Koreans is online bitching and bitching about bitching.

    • Zëçô Al-Shanfari

      Did Korea forget about world cup 2002?

      • CK7

        What about it? Tell us what happened.

        • realist

          Why don’t you just google it and save someone from typing an essay for you? In short, people think Korea paid the ref to DQ some goals, causing Korea to beat Italy, then Spain.

          • CK7

            I saw the games, and I thought Korea held their own against these two European giants. There was no evidence of match fixing. Italy was calling out for conspiracy against them since the group stages(prior to meeting Korea in the round of 16), they had four disallowed goals in the group stages, otherwise they would’ve finished first and not met Korea in the next round. In the Italy vs Korea game, you need to remember that Italy was leading 1-0 in the 88th minute, which means only 2 minutes remaining plus few minutes extra added time. It was that Italian defender who failed to clear the ball near their goal post, instead he kicked it straight to the Korean player who then kicked it into the net tying the score 1-1. Ref had nothing to do with that moment. If that Italian defender clears the ball, Italy goes onto win 1-0. In the extra time, Italy was visibly cleary exhausted, Korea with their superior fitness controlled the game. There was a disallowed goal for Italy which was called offside and a red card issued for Francisco Totti for diving inside Korea’s penalty box. Keep in mind, Italian players have a reputation for diving and that may have played a role in the ref’s decision to issue to the red. Years later, Totti stated that he did not dive, but also admitted the Korean player did not cause him to fall. Instead, he claimed that he simply lost his footing. Now the aftermath of that Italy game was travesty. Ahn Jung Hwan who put a dagger into the hearts of the Italians with a golden goal winner in the extra time was fired from his club in Italy by his Italian boss. Talk about a Bad Loser! Italians continued to cry about that game for years after. Realist, now why didn’t you
            tell the Italians to shrug it off and tell them that they are bad losers for crying and
            firing Ahn Jung Hwan. Were you afraid of the Gattis and their mobsters possibly coming after you? lol.
            Against Spain, there were two disallowed goals, but Korea held their own for the most
            part. They went into the shootout where Korea was clinical including an enormous
            save by the Korean goalie. These moments, refs had nothing to do with the outcome. Korean players had to kick the ball past the goalie and make a save to win, which
            Spain failed to do in the shootout. Did Korea benefit from few dubious calls? Yes,
            incorrect calls that happens in Fifa matches all the time including that famous
            intentional hand of god goal by that Argentine player Maradona. Were the matches
            fixed? There’s no evidence that Korean officials bribed the refs, if that’s the case, why
            not just rig the games all the way to gold medal, oops or world cup title. Why stop
            there? Korea needed only 2 more wins. Instead, they went onto lose close games
            against world class teams in Germany 1-0 and Turkey 3-2. What 2002 World Cup
            showed was that Korea was a hot team going into the World Cup based on their pre-
            cup games, a team that’s hot with home court advantage is always a force to be
            reckoned with, a great strategist in that Dutch coach, and as the fittest team, they
            showed that they were able to compete with the big boys at the time.

          • realist

            Post too long; didn’t read. I didn’t see it and didn’t know anything about it until Shanfari talked about it. I googled it; it was classified as 1 of the top 10 scandals in soccer. Also, the Koreans gifted new Hyundais (not really a bride-kinda car if you ask me) to the judges. But as far as I know, the results were not changed, and everyone got over it.

          • Sillian
          • realist

            Nope, not immediately. And I have been to Italy… never had a high opinion of Italian honor from the start. But all these things just make me think that soccer fans are horrible. I never followed soccer because it’s boring as hell for me to watch 10 people kick a ball around for 2 hours, often going 0-0. I’m much more inclined to watch the Olympics and at these games, I have seen multiple occasions in which a Korean flipped out, or broke down in public over something s/he perceived to be unfair (or the Korean delegation making excuses for loss) while I have seen none of that from China and very little elsewhere.

          • CK7

            I’ve seen enough poor sportsmanship from Non-Koreans to say that Koreans are neither more or less in that regards. You just like to cherry pick, hence your ill intention on this forum. You mention China again, there are plenty of vids on YT that shows Chinese flipping out in basketball and soccer(or kung fu soccer, lol), etc. To say you seen none from China, well then you’re just not looking for it other than cherry pick Korea’s dirt. Btw, Konnichiwa? lol

          • Sillian

            He does cherry pick but he doesn’t particularly sound malicious. Just biased as hell.

          • Zappa Frank

            Gaucci, the owner at the time of Perugia has been criticized by all Italians for his decision about Hwan..
            He ended up escaping from Italy for a tax fraud..

          • CK7

            If you’re too lazy to read and respond to my long well thought out post, then obviously we can’t have a meaningful discussion.

          • Zappa Frank

            the fact that was the only good point in the Korean’s soccer of all time, and by case happened in Korea is suspect… points more on the involvement of the Moreno, the referee, also considering how he ended up…
            However it was just a bad referee, he gave to the local team the kind of support locals team received.. just like in Russia..no difference.

          • Twinten

            It’s easy to see WC Football 2002 as biased since a few big calls were indeed wrong where the Koreans lucked out. But what everyone fails to mention is that all the small decisions went against Korea, and one not so small decision when Spain’s Baraja clearly should have been red carded in the first half for intentionally kicking a Korean player out of the match. Vieri’s elbow also wasn’t red carded, so to say the referees were only in favor of Korea is miles off the reality! It’s so annoying Korea often don’t get the plaudits that their wonderful performances at the WC merit!

            Our problem with (un!)Realist here is that he portrays it as if only Koreans complain about the atrocious judging at the Sochi figure skating. A lot of the complaints came from outside Korea (we’re Dutch), the Russian’s scores were hugely inflated and the more we read about it from people who used an experts view, the more unfair it feels! Yes, it is not likely that anything will change, but at least it is good to vent out frustrations so at least give the Koreans and everyone else who rightfully feel heavily frustrated about this scandal the right to vent! That doesn’t make us childish or sore losers!

          • Zappa Frank

            it were not a few big calls, it were many calls and in particular some that decided the game, to begin with a goal scored and regular but cancelled .. the games of Korea with Spain and Italy in that world cup remain as two of the biggest scandal in recent world cup history, this is not because i say it, but is largley confirmed by the football’s fan comunity.. it is not a case that Spain and Italy had before the 2002 cup good results and even better after, while South Korea has been totally cancelled from the football map..even worse than North Korea just to say..
            It’s not that Korea complain more than other, even in italy people like a lot to complain about injustices and so on, but they do the same things as well…we can talk also about the ’88 olympics games..

    • Barack Obama

      because koreans have a lot of pride and believe they are the best at everything. and in this case they are but when they got screwed they simply could not let this go.

      • Sillian

        Koreans believe they are the best at everything.

        All I consistently hear from Koreans is their complaints about how something in Korea sucks. Do you expect to get away with a mindless claim like that even on koreaBang?

        • Barack Obama

          they bitch and complain a lot, always thinking that they are entitled to something better. Is that not a sign of pride?

          • Sillian

            How do you even logically relate that claim to your previous claim that they believe they are the best at everything? What do you exactly mean by ‘best at everything’?

          • realist

            Thinking they’re entitled is not pride. It’s weakness. The proud will not accept handouts, and are determined to make it all on their own, defying all odds. The weak think they are entitled to all the advantages possible. Several minorities in the US (not Asians) think they are entitled to all kind of government help. They’re not proud; they have victim mentality.

          • Barack Obama

            I don’t know about weakness but definitely incompetence and/or snobbery.

          • Del

            Not like white people in the US. White people constantly bitch about everything. That’s why nothing ever improves in this country. Excuse me, I’m talking about my country on KoreaBang.

      • realist

        Were they? I do not think that the scores were indefensible. Many times, judged scores are completely indefensible, but they stood anyway. Considering that Sotnikova’s routine was more difficult, while Kim had better execution, you really can’t say for sure that things absolutely should have gone one way or another. Endless bitching is not a sign of pride. The Chinese and Russians have a lot of pride, which is why neither country’s athletes ever make a big fuss out of perceived injustice in sports. It is true pride when you say, “That’s ok. It’s just a game and it’s only worth a medal. Let’s get it next time.”

        • Sillian

          http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/cup2002/2002-06-09-russia-riot.htm

          http://www.cnn.com/2004/SPORT/football/08/07/china.japan/

          It seems the way you argue is to put everyone else above Koreans. That doesn’t make you sound credible. Why do you do that? This is a real question out of curiosity.

          People don’t react strongly if the game or competition doesn’t mean much to them even if athletes or teams from their country became victims of some injustice. But when it comes to highly popular or anticipated athletes or games, it is a bit different even when there was no unfair judging. Is it wrong for me to suspect you are particularly biased against Koreans for some reason?

          • CK7

            Why does Realist do that?
            Because he’s trolling along with his alter ego Milo the great Japohile/Jap2cher/Japapologist/Japetc……..lol.
            Inferiorty complex can do also do that.

          • Sillian

            That was unnecessary. I’m just wondering where realist is really coming from. He sounds serious but he is biased in a strange way.

          • realist

            Thanks. CK7, you’re just not intelligent enough to talk to me. And I hate the Japanese more than anyone and I’m not Milo, but you’re probably not smart enough to get past that. I’ll answer, Sillian. I do that because I find that every time, the Koreans are TERRIBLE at losing, so I found these excellent examples where people lost, thought it was unfair, but were too big to be bothered by it. I think they set great examples of sportsmanship for Korea to follow. I could, of course, pull up examples of countries that engaged in poor sportsmanship, but that just doesn’t help anyone. It’s like saying, “Be a terrible loser. There are more out there.” And if you try to explain their behavior with things like, “Oh, they have a lot of pride, so they are sore losers,” that’s just not helpful. That tells Koreans to show how much pride they have by being even worse losers, which is barely possible.

          • Sillian

            I understand what you find annoying. That is not a problem. But your comment almost sounded like the Russians or Chinese are inherently better in terms of sportsmanship. That’s precisely why I brought up the high profile sports riots in those countries.

          • realist

            As I said, violent drunken anger, but accepting a fair defeat is 1 thing (and not a good thing, at that). But refusing to accept defeat, and saying that something had to be unfair is really poor sportsmanship. And I’m not sure about Russians, but I know that China specifically disallows any behavior of this sort from its own delegation because a gold medal is less important than the national image that China is great and beyond caring about little things like 1 game. How the individual athletes felt when short-changed is another story.

          • Del

            Why talk to a nimrod like he’s some kind of authority?

          • Del

            You are a hater?

          • realist

            Oh, I just saw those links. I honestly did not know about that as I don’t watch soccer. I follow the Olympics, though, so this is what I see. I did not know about soccer riots. But as far as I can tell from these 2 stories, fans rioted due to drunken anger. They didn’t try to belittle the winning team by saying something wasn’t fair. They accepted that they lost fair and square, and were just pissed. To me, although that is violent, it is better than having victim mentality. At least when the riots ended, everyone (who was still alive) went home and forgot about it; they didn’t write countless articles about unfairness and try to start probes, etc…

          • Sillian

            You seem to downplay it as ‘drunken anger’ but it seems more like they got upset and decided to get wasted and let it all out. Not everyone behaves like that just because they are drunk. It’s not an excuse and not everyone was drunk.

            To me, although that is violent, it is better than having victim mentality.

            Property damaged, people injured or even killed sometimes. But you think it is better. Okay.

          • realist

            It’s terrible behavior that causes injury, damage, and sometimes, death, but it is NOT at the expense of the winning team. They don’t stir controversy. The winning team won, fair and square, no disputes and they’ll have that forever. How these hooligans mess up their own country is a domestic affair, but it’s not committing bad sportsmanship against the winner.

          • Sillian

            Because no apparently bad judging was involved in those games? Even innocent Japanese people were attacked by the mob. If the Japanese players were within their physical range, what do you think would’ve happened?

            Sportsmanship is the orderly conduct of civilized persons participating in or watching a competitive sport. Hooliganism is the epitome of poor sportsmanship. It seems you are very determined on insisting that Korea is the worst. The conclusion is already there. Thanks for the replies.

          • realist

            Well, how I derived that conclusion is that if I beat someone in a match, and he storms off angry, attacking random people, destroying his own property, that would make me laugh. But if he never admits to losing, complains about unfairness, how he was tired, he didn’t perform well because his uniform was uncomfortable, etc… that would annoy me.

          • Sillian

            At least, I understand your comments better. You seem to care about Korea with good intentions anyway.

          • Del

            This is some Gomer Pyle explanation.

    • bumfromkorea

      Korean reactions have been very mild, given the popularity of Kim Yuna who is a major S-class celebrity even during the non-Olympic years. If anything, I saw a LOT of non-Korean media covering the controversy. The Korean press were mostly quoting those non-Korean media and writing fluff pieces about how Korea is lucky to have Kim Yuna. They are even joking about it, with a Korean rural town coincidentally named “So-Chi” raising money for charity by offering to give Yuna Kim a “gold medal from So-Chi”.

      As for the netizen comments? Are you telling me the internet didn’t explode during the Paul Hamm controversy or Chen’s controversy in London? If you’re going to measure the societal response to an event by internet comments, I’m afraid you’re going to have some very skewed conclusions. Just by looking at comments on TheHill.com, a prominent political newspaper in US, I can also conclude that Americans are a bunch of racist hicks who think Barack Obama is a Nazi-Communist-Muslim terrorist.

      • Chucky3176

        Yeah really, this is getting ridiculous. Most of the hype came from non-Korean sources in the west. So I’m not sure where this accusation of Koreans being sore losers after Kim’s lost gold medal is based on. I guess what he’s talking about is the 2 million Korean voters who signed an internet petition at change.org. But the thing is though, I can see how that could be in Korea where social media is heavily connected and 100% of the population use smartphones. I got chain emails from Korean friends and family giving out the web address and urging me to vote. And it’s so simple – 2 minutes of your time to click and put your name down and click submit. I can see how someone who may not care so strongly about this issue, voting anyway because that’s the patriot thing to do, or just for the sake of saying that he/she voted. Did I vote, no I didn’t, but my point is that online petitions doesn’t signal being sore losers.

    • Del

      Why are Americans such poor losers? Did ya see the American women’s hockey team bawling nonstop. They weren’t even ripped off. They just f’ed up. God that was embarrassing. Enough to make me move to Canada.

  • eddienj

    I am Korean and like most Koreans I was very emotional and upset about the judging. But after the initial outrage wears off it’s easy to realize that the results of judges is not the most important thing. Kim Yuna’s career will not be defined by a few judges. She skated brilliantly and did all Koreans proud and more importantly herself proud. She will forever be known as a great champion to not only Koreans but figure skating fans from all over the world. As for the gold medalist, I hope people can come to their senses and realize that she’s just a young girl pursuing her own dreams. If you want to blame the judges than that’s fine (I blame them too). But let’s show our class and not defame the gold medalist or a whole country of people who are only guilty of being patriotic for their own country.

  • BSDetector

    You people are still talking about this?

    • Del

      I wouldn’t say you were good looking. Maybe in your country. Poland?

  • Del

    Sonia Bianchetti, a former ISU judge, says it’s easy for a SINGLE individual to fix the results in an ISU competition! She said the technical controller, ALONE, has the power! That person was the Russian named Lakernik. You can find the interview and others of judges that objected to anonymous judging at the website theskatinglesson.com .

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