• harvz

    Forgot to add that the principal was getting hammered drunk during this. When he arrived to the scene, he was said to reek of alcohol.

    That’s Chungnam for you.

    • Cervello

      In Chungnam, people want to become fearless soldier.

      In other part, soldier fearlessly going to parlor.

  • commander

    The news reports of the drownings at the quasi-marine training camp appear to make slanted accusations against schools.

    The argument that the school organizing the training have severe faults for th loss of five high school studetns is right as they are lax in overseeing safety of students during the training that many witnesses said was far from fostering confidence and tenacity in students.

    But as problematic is that the training camp is operated by private unqualified instructors and their businness are arranged by local travel agencies.

    Training at the military boot camps is controlled by veteran instructors and detalied safety rules. That’s why all novice soldiers finish their trainig session unhurt.

    Subpar training instructors, responsible for the five deaths, are presumed to be less interested in cultivating cameraderie in students and confidence empowering sutdents struggle their way to their goal in life, than gaining profits.

    The etablishment of such training camps should be authorized by the goverment.

    Training people for profit could divert the original training aim, and may turn into mistreatment of training paricipants without consideration of safety.

  • lonetrey / Dan

    The parting pictures of the mourning father
    on the beach during the night is what got me.

    • commander

      The sense of loss for parents of drowned students is of indescribible proportions.

      Most of the time, a child is a hope, dream and the reason of life for paretns, who want to be a protective wall from all evils in the world to get them to lead a better life.

      It is sad to see a moment of a safety lapse cause cause tremdous pain to people.

    • Mighty曹

      It looks like a scene out of a movie. Sad.

    • OpparDoesntLoveYou

      ikr. i could only imagine being in that situation ;A;

  • commander

    Many question the validity of military style training for students and civilians that is desigend to shake off lethargy and boost confidence with strenuous trainings.

    The original intention for such trainings, especially for students, is that high school students with a over 10-hour-a-day sit on chairs for studying can be encouraged to overcome their limits by going through physical trainings.

    The intent is good but high school students, swamped with studying assigments for college admissions, have no time for workout, though physical class is designated on weekly class timetables at schools–an allotment that is barely followed and ket as a record on adminiatrative papers.

    As a result, Korean high school students have weak physical ability, which would causec a big trouble if they are forced to do strenuous physical activity suddenly.

    Trainings at substandard unlicensed training camps should have been watered down in consideration of students’ physical fraility and should be guided by seasoned training experts.

    I am not against a training trip for high school students. But it needs meticulous preparation for tailored programs under the guidance by licensed instructors.

    In this regard, it would have been better that the defense ministry, ostensibly intent on deflecting any condemnations over the five drownings in a statement after the incident, had showed willingness to share its training experiences by setting up the ministry-sponsored training camps where retired military instructors can be given opportunities to use expertise in training.

    • Brett

      I don’t buy it. The real reason parents send their kids is because all kids today are little fuckers and treat everyone older like shit. Parents finally have a chance to get someone to beat them into shape.

      They also have manner camps for girls. God knows there isn’t enough physical punishment at those camps.

      • commander

        Many young lads are very disrespectful to adults so much that it cannot be tolerated as a kind of rebellious behavior in adolescence.

        But believing that 3 to 4 day trainings at those camps will teach them what their parents have failed to teach is self delusion.

        My contention is that trainings target majority of good students to instill confidence and self discipline, not a fraction of bad students.

        In a sense, expecting schools to produce all well-behaved, hard-working good students is too optimistic.

        as rose-tinted expectations as it is are hopes for a fraction of bad students to change into good ones suddenly after being subject to daunting trainings which they will definetly rack their brains to skip.

        • Brett

          I don’t know if parents expect their kids to be better after the camp. It’s probably so, but I like to think of mom and dad getting even; “you don’t do what we want, you lose most of your summer vacation to physical pain and verbal abuse”.

          • commander

            You have a point. But the real trouble making students are often those from single parent families or broken homes, meaning that those drifting youngsters have no one to advise them to be better persons.

            Even some of them are found to have been abused by parents during childhood years and disillusioned with the world–a painful memory that will be certain to backfire against sticks like harsh trainings at camps.

      • BigBoysCry

        The reason kids are ” all little fuckers ” (no generalization, I love it) is because of parents unable to raise children correctly. So sending them to those camps is the best way to lose the little credibility and authority they had on their children. And they don’t even do their jobs as parents.

        It’s not because they are kids that their bodies are ours and that we can make ” physical punishment ” on them. And honestly I’m a little bit confused by the fact that you want MORE physical punishment in camps, especially in girls camps.
        And ” manners ” camp ? What are those shits ?

        • Brett

          I was more than joking about “physical punishment” for girls. But my point was, the camps don’t work… Not how the parents want them to, anyways. It was a satire to illustrate that parents of boys send their kids to get abused while parents of girls send them away to be reformed as they wish the girls would undergo some sort of physically strenuous training sessions. Reformation happens in neither case, unless the kids are worried they will get sent back over the longer winter vacation.

          Manners camp is where girls get sent to learn how to talk in the proper way to adults and wear clothes other than sweatpants with sneakers. It’s all a bunch of bullshit, just like the military style camps.

          But parents send their kids there, with many repeat customers. Why? Because the parents can justify a 3 week vacation away from their tyrant of a child.

          • BigBoysCry

            Sorry, I misunderstood your previous comment. I thought you were serious (irony in English is harder to read I guess).

            OMG but sweatpants with sneakers are damn comfortable. I feel bad for the girls who get sent there to learn to be visually pleasant. Wearing heels and make up shouldn’t be forced. I hope these camps are not popular because it’s creepy.

          • Brett

            I don’t think the focus is on clothing or makeup (although it most likely is part) as much as it is on how to speak, posture, mannerisms… Etc. It’s like airline flight attendant training or the “how to be a lady” training classes in America during the 30’s-40’s.

            A friend’s daughter was sent to one because she really is a jerk. She doesn’t have any manners at all. I blame it on her mom and dad never correcting her or challenging her when she does something wrong. Now it’s too late and they revert to someone else trying to fix their shortcomings… Point and case.

        • Brett

          Of course, it would help if parents spent a little more time with their kids, instead of pushing them off to hakwons where they learn to become “little fuckers” from their “little fucker” friends… Friends who also get pushed away by their parents. Again, it’s all a bunch of b.s.

          • BigBoysCry

            Now that hI think of it, this kind of peer pressure is not only in Korea. But I guess it’s part of the youth : following the mass to then realize it’s not really good to be a follower. Except that Korea has strange ways to react to that…with camps.

          • Brett

            No camp, lucky for you… Unlucky for your parents.

          • BigBoysCry

            I actually think that camp could be great, but without the gender special shit (seriously, I still can’t get over the “manners” camp for girls) and with GOOD supervision and some psychatrist to know where the fuckery comes from + to make sure the fuckery is gone forever.

    • Zappa Frank

      so i misunderstood,i though the military camp was due to prepare soldiers or similar, something like in Israel, be always prepare to a war with north korea. But according to what you said it’s nothing like that..and i lack to understand the purpose of this kind of camp, i mean if it’s for physical activity there’s something better and it’s anyhow useless do something for few days or few weeks.. if it’s for confidence i think it’s almost useless as well..

      • commander

        Cultural differences between Israel and South Korea requires some accounts on why some students and adults engage in military-style trainings at camps.

        As you rightly pointed out, there are many leisure sports that can instill a sense of unity and challenging spirits in people, and military trainings are designed to foster warriors to kill the enemy in life-or-death battlefields.

        The reason military-style trainings gain some traction not only for school educators but employers is that high intensity of trainings is thought to push trainees to their limits and plant a they-can-do-it spirit in them.

        Successful completion of daunting psychical challenges is known to boost self confidence.

        The training organizers at the school might hope that they would be get more confident after the training, which proved to failed miserably to measure up to expected safety levels, resulting in what they initially envisioned: five untimely deaths.

        Israel, in constant tension for continued armed conflict with its neighboring Palestinians over territorial ownership, might not need that type of training as Israelis have been already forced to have can-do-it spirits in what they see as a hostile neighboring Arab countries.

  • KCdude

    If South Korea wants to become democratic, it should stop spreading this hardcore militaristic attitude among civilians. And I don’t want my male students to become so supportive of Adolf Hitler.

    • commander

      Authoritarianism, permeated deep into society mainly by the mandatory military service for all able-bodied men, still shape the behaviors at schools, companies and governmental organs.

      The repulsive reactions to the military trainings often come out from bulled experiences that conscripts went through at army barracks or during the military trainings.

      Much have changed since the end of military dictatorships in the 1970s and 1980s, but much more need to be done to make the Korean military a true watchdog for national security not a two-year brain washing detention center for youngsters, where critics say they learned more about authoritarianism than self discipline.

      Neverthless, some advocates say that the obligatory military service taught them a lot and made them a real guy with a sense of responsibility and enduring perseverance.

      I think untimely deaths of five students are more associated with lack of safety oversight, than military authoritarianism worship.

      But as long as deadly incidents with military units continue to occur, the Korean military might have to learn with public condemnations over deaths and injuries that is conceived as assosiated with tje legacy of the past military dictatorships.

      • ehmjaybean

        The military isn’t the only place where authoritarianism is practiced. Koreans are taught their place in the world from day one. It’s the basis of confucianism. Every level of society works on a hierarchy.

  • YourSupremeCommander

    On a sad day like this the guy was still able cop a feel, damn he’s good!

    • Mighty曹

      Hahaha… damn!

  • Mighty曹

    Discipline being a huge part of the culture has taken its toll.

    • KCdude

      True but not exactly discipline. I still like your idea though. South Korean culture lacks discipline and instead it considers the idea of authority as a form of discipline, which is 100% false. South Koreans over-admire authority in the most irrational way. It looks too awful.

      • Mighty曹

        I think you put it accurately in “authority as a form of discipline”. I can imagine that on every level, from school, corporate, or even mobsters, they fear ‘authority’ while not necessarily being the most disciplined.

        • ehmjaybean

          Because every aspect of Korean life must take place in a hierarchy, so people who are in those positions in schools, corporations or the mob have a place in the hierarchy.

          • Mighty曹

            Exactly. And strictly following it can lead to tragedies.

  • terriblemovie

    Such a sad life. Study till you drop for most of your life, then go to military camp and drown. Never get the chance to go to college, have kids, a real job, buy a house and enjoy retirement.

    It makes me wonder why parents would send their kids to such camps. If you want to teach a child discipline, then become an actual parent and teach it yourself.

    • KCdude

      Koreans usually outsource their parenting responsibility to teachers and military instructors AKA strangers with authority towards the parents’ kids. It has been like this for the past 10~13 years.

    • commander

      In an to your question, many working class parents,the vast majority of whom are double-income couples, think their children fare well at schools and have a cetain degree of faith in schools.

      High school student children might talked about a traininh trip planned by the school possibly over meals during the weekend.

      Lack of conversation between children and parents struggling to make a living, and the parental vague belief that the school will ensure all safety measure during the training camping is the background of parental implicit nod of the trip.

      The past record on school trips that shows no incidents could provide relief to parents who think everything will be fine and said to their children before the campinh that the top priority is safety, so take care of yourself.

      The twist of fate spawned depthd of pain to parents whose children died, anger to the rest of parents over the school’s haphazard preparation for the trip, and a fodder for a media frenzy and for skeptics of Korean pyblic education.

  • justhetip

    Last pic comment: “The murderers should go to jail!

    Korean drama at its finest.

  • Butsu

    Military camps for kids.
    All of my what.

    • death_by_ivory

      I could pick a couple from my daughter’s class I would gladly send away.But RIP poor kids,death doesnt have an age.

  • The Enlightened One

    The instructors didn’t know how to swim well?

    Yet they hold an exercise like this… oh man…

  • Kenshin

    props to Korea for maintaining mandatory military service.

    • Sol

      You fucking little cunt ? Take that flag down. How dare you?

      • Kenshin

        i can’t respect my ancestors that died to rid east asia of western imperialism?

        • dk2020

          Japan lost that war though .. personally it doesn’t bother me .. a red dot is a pretty boring design for a flag ..

          • mr.wiener

            It does remind me of how my arse feels the morning after a night of particularly hot curry.

          • Kenshin

            with red streaks radiating from?

          • mr.wiener

            ….my arse

        • mr.wiener

          How about respecting the ancestors of the asians that died ridding Asia of Japanese imperialism?
          Also posting that avatar on site about Korea, viewed by Koreans is less about respect and more about provocation.

          • Kenshin

            is there a problem with respecting my own ancestors rather other people’s ancestors?

          • mr.wiener

            If you are respecting you own ancestors over other’s ancestors then there is a problem.
            You aren’t that silly, you must have figured this out by now.

          • Kenshin

            no

        • Kenshin, can you come talking to me on my Twitter?
          I have something to discuss with you, in our language.
          Very important.
          Japanese-Japanese business would be better not doing in here.

      • harvz

        If that flag is so bad then the US flag and the Union Jack are equally as offensive, considering the ‘scintillating’ reputation of both countries.

        Deal with it.

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