One-woman Anti-Multiculturalism Protest Ignites Debate

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Recently, photos of a young woman [allegedly a high school girl then] protesting against the government’s multiculturalism policies in front of the National Assembly last year drew fresh attention and ignited heated debates over multiculturalism issues in Korea.

From MLB Park:

A high school student protests against multiculturalism

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“I oppose the multiculturalism policy.”

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I oppose the multiculturalism policy that turns Korea into a multi-ethnic/racial country. Please listen to people’s diverse opinions about the current policy for foreign workers and marriage immigrants.

1. Foreign workers should not be considered substitutes to do 3D jobs quietly for picky Koreans. 3D industry’s lack of Korean workforce should be solved by improving wage and labor conditions instead of importing foreign labor. Because foreign workers remit most of their salaries to their home countries, they do not contribute much to domestic consumption and it interferes with improvement of working conditions and minimum wage. Foreign workers are willing to work in Korea because their salary is considered high due to the currency rate. The same wage is high for foreign workers while low for domestic workers. If you promote multiculturalism for them and even support illegal aliens’ children’s education and living, that only encourages foreign workers and illegal aliens to stay permanently in Korea. The government should encourage our citizens who are accused of seeking only comfortable jobs to engage in 3D industry with proper labor conditions and wages. If we only depend on foreign labor, our labor market and economy is disturbed. Please consider and protect our citizens first.

2. Currently, 89% of the marriage immigrants are female and many of them find their partners through marriage brokers. Due to the limitations of such coupling, they are prone to marrying only for acquiring citizenship, running away from home, domestic abuse, cultural difficulties, high divorce rate, etc. Brokered marriages should not be supported as they have characteristics of human trafficking. Of course, it is desirable to help them adapt to Korea by offering education courses but financial aid for them is reverse-discrimination against native households. If you promote brokered marriage instead of ‘natural’ marriage, it only adds to social costs. In addition, marriage immigrants in Korea have a duty to raise their children as ‘Korean’ and giving them privileges under the special category of multiculturalism only provokes native citizens’ ill feelings.

We may not be one ethnicity but we have kept one common culture. Please be more considerate if you plan a multicultural society in Korea that was not founded by immigrants.

Comments from MLB Park:
dr.레인:

At least, that is not just one-sided prejudice but an argument worth considering. Such concerns should’ve been raised before it all began…

wpqwpq12:

There are already more than a million [1.4 millions as of January 2012] foreign residents in Korea. Multiculturalism is likely to become a main issue in the next presidential election. I hope Ilbe fellas don’t commit any hate crime.

오지랖조선:

The welfare system has to help the troubled people in general. Putting multicultural families under special attention is discriminatory. This is so wrong.

GoGo:

Aren’t they talking about reverse-discrimination just because they haven’t really given much thought about why the government supports multicultural families? Because the ideology of homogenous ethnicity and culture and the tendency to look down on other colored people are still remaining, many multicultural children face difficulties. If they fail to adapt to Korean society successfully, it can grow into a bigger social problem. Things are much harder for immigrants because they do not speak Korean well. Without support for these socially vulnerable people, they cannot stand on their own feet properly.

Why do we promote welfare? To install the social safety net for the socially deprived. We don’t say it’s discriminatory when they get governmental aids. However, the high school student called it reverse-discrimination to support the socially deprived multicultural families. Of course, it is reasonable to claim the current system should be adjusted so that not all multicultural families, rich or poor, get the benefits. But if you say there should be no special support for them at all, that’s not different from saying we should abolish welfare altogether.

She doesn’t understand why the government is caring about the multiculturalism policies. Marriage immigration is a reality we cannot avoid. Since the sex ratio for the 20s and 30s was disturbed, about 10% of males in that age bracket should either marry foreigners or stay single. Is she telling them to be single for the rest of their life? She can’t see the big picture.

Also, legitimate foreign workers and illegal aliens should be distinguished but there are many who mix them together. Legal foreign workers are allowed to work for the designated companies under the governmental permission and strict control for a limited period of time. On the other hand, illegal aliens are just illegal and create the negative image for other legitimate foreigners. They should not work and it’s also illegal to hire them. Since legal foreign workers work only in the fields selected by the government, they aren’t really wage-competing with Korean workers in general.

라라라랄라:

Apart from everything else, it is true that marriage immigrants need more support than Korean couples. We have to help their children grow well in Korea. If we fail in this, we will have to spend even more money for future social problems than current subsidies. As for illegal aliens, although they should be strictly dealt with, they are cut slack in favor of the companies.

꿈의야구:

The student seems to think the government is encouraging multiculturalism. Multiculturalism is already a tide of the time. There are many multicultural households and they have problems. The government is not promoting multiculturalism but trying to help them adapt and reduce their problems. It is not right to think multicultural policies are at the expense of other citizens. Of course, it’s reasonable to claim the current system is flawed and needs to be fixed but it is nonsensical to claim native citizens are disadvantaged.

귓방망이:

It is wrong to take any criticism against multiculturalism policies as opposition to multiculturalism. Some things should be improved. Sometimes some people think they have to support the minorities in everything to be righteous.

사뇰:

Foreign workers including English teachers are just foreigners making money in Korea. Illegal aliens are criminals that should be kicked out. Marrying a foreigner is marrying a foreigner. I don’t know why we have to promote multiculturalism. If Koreans marry Japanese women or American men and live in Korea, that is nothing special. If they live in Korea, they become Korean. If they live in Japan or America, they will have Japanese or American identity. If it is because of the people from poor countries like Vietnam and the Philippines, isn’t it just enough to treat them like other poor Koreans and help them? Why do we need to go for multiculturalism? We can help them assimilate to become Korean but I don’t see the reason for multiculturalism.

GoGo:

When they say multiculturalism in the UK, France and Germany has failed, is it really relevant to our situation? The UK and France were not made of a homogeneous ethnicity like us. They were already comprised of multiple European ethnicities before a large number of colored people moved to those countries. Celtic, Roman-Latin, Anglo Saxon, Nordic, etc. people constituted the UK but they shared a common culture of Christianity in a broad sense and developed the monarchy shaping their culture and identity.

Now why do some say their multiculturalism has failed? Because Islamic immigrants’ culture isn’t mixing well with the native civilization derived from Christianity. It is a different matter from whether to simply accept foreigners. Foreigners have always existed there. What I’m getting at is that multicultural conflicts in Europe do not mainly come from racial issues.

Let’s look at Korea. Korea isn’t ruled by any one religion. Christianity, Confucianism, Buddhism and Shamanism have their own stakes in Korea. Why are we even comparing us to Europe’s situation? Do our new multicultural families cause any cultural conflict?

If it is religious and cultural conflicts that interfere with multiculturalism in Europe, it is ethnic nationalism and racism in Korea. It is very unconvincing to take Europe’s case to cast a cloud over Korea’s situation.

(ιº o º)! [in response to GoGo]:

It is at least necessary to be cautious because many countries tried multiculturalism but most of them failed. Our current multiculturalism policies are too short-sighted and hasty. Have we ever had serious research or debate on this? I guess not? I’m saying either quick opposition or implementation of policies is problematic. I agree with the high school student’s argument to a good degree. Korea is a country smaller than you think. Many side effects can happen in this small land. Multiculturalism is something you cannot retract once it’s started. Therefore, we need to contemplate and analyze this thoroughly. The current policies are clearly short-sighted and half-baked. Was there any public policy debate on this? Also, you call multiculturalism dissenters racist or purist and that is very unpleasant. Korea already has enough regionalism. Aren’t you too confident that multiculturalism will successfully put down roots in this country? I hope you stop branding dissenters as racist.

M.Anthony [in response to (ιº o º)!]:

Just because we still have regionalism, do you mean problems with multicultural families don’t need to be dealt with? You need to distinguish foreign workers, illegal aliens and multicultural families. Multicultural families are Korean. Multiculturalism policies are there to help those who look different settle properly in Korea.

(ιº o º)! [in response to M.Anthony]:

Idealism doesn’t solve the problem. The reality is that foreign brides are regarded as foreigners and multiculturalism policies encourage and increase the number of multicultural families. As their number increases, conflicts caused by them inevitably become a social problem. I hope you properly understand my comments before criticizing them. Because multiculturalism caused numerous failures in other countries, even if our situation is different, I’m just saying we should do thorough research and carefully implement it. In this small country that can’t even resolve regionalism, if multiculturalism becomes an issue, social burden becomes too heavy. Not that multiculturalism will definitely become a problem. Public opinion is largely divided on multiculturalism. If you go around labelling dissenters as racist, do you think it will help the situation? I said our current multiculturalism is clearly short-sighted and hasty. Don’t you also have to try to understand the dissenters? Do you think they are just simply racist?

쿠니미_히로:

National labor market control has nothing to do with racism whatsoever. Does the US or Japan accept any foreign workers? No. Discrimination against naturalized Koreans and controlling foreign labor are two completely different matters. If you call it all racism, you are not being progressive but almost fascist. “If you don’t agree with me, you are a commie.” Just replace ‘commie’ with ‘racist’.

GoGo:

When you criticize a group of people, you have to be careful. You need to be extra careful to not indulge in baseless contempt. There are definitely problems caused by illegal aliens and there should be effort to curb them. However, deflecting complaints about illegal aliens to legal foreign workers is a problem and we have to care whether such sentiments may hurt naturalized Koreans. Someone above complained about my racist-labelling. Okay, I apologize if you felt unpleasant. But also, try to see how much effort you have put to refrain from such name-calling yourself. Whether foreign workers, illegal aliens and multicultural families were lumped together. Why am I saying this? The multiculturalism campaign isn’t for foreign workers. It is to protect the multicultural children from discrimination and help them grow as proud Korean citizens with equal opportunities. We are trying to raise awareness. Are you even trying to interfere with such effort because it may also help foreign workers? Would you neglect the children? Are they foreigners? Are they the same as foreign workers after all just because their mothers came from far-away lands? No matter how hard they try, if they look different, they can’t be Korean? Isn’t this labelling-by-association? If you felt so insulted by some anonymous comments on the Internet, have you ever thought about those who might have been insulted in real life? Don’t you want to ponder about how to improve this situation?

2dog1cat:

The student’s argument is bullshit that just sounds specious. She is just reiterating the neo-Nazi skinheads’ rhetoric without shaving her hair. I hope she gets a 3D job that foreign workers are doing with low wages. (Since those jobs can only work with poor conditions and low wages, if foreign workers stop working, the industry will just disappear.) I also hope she finds a 40-year-old man in the countryside and marries him.

(ιº o º)! [in response to GoGo]:

Of course, we should support the existing multicultural kids that you sir talk about, but the problem is that the current policy is even encouraging multiculturalism. They give incentives to multicultural homes. It is different from just supporting the kids. Native citizens can be discriminated against by the current policy. I’m just saying this needs to be corrected. This is not right. It is okay if the number of multicultural families increase naturally but it is wrong to offer privileges and artificially increase them with our tax money. It is dangerous to denounce this criticism as racism. Since when has Korea been a global race showroom to even promote this type of policy? Mentioning skinheads and stuff is really thoughtless. Some people are using words like ‘bullshit’. It’s a slur. Since when has this site allowed it?

의지의승리:

Her argument is not the same as the neo-Nazi’s rhetoric and not even extreme. If we kick out illegal alien American or European, nobody would scream racism. When we kick out illegal alien South East Asians or South Asians, it’s funny that some people bring up racism, KKK and all that jazz foaming at the mouth.

리겔:

Discrimination against our citizens does exist. A while ago, a famous Japanese blogger Sayaka living in Korea (who married a Korean man) revealed that she refused to accept child care subsidies from the Korean government. She was concerned that even affluent multicultural families receive subsidies when the money should be spent for other families with real difficulties. That is clearly reverse-discrimination. I’m not against foreigners living in Korea. I support the system that helps multicultural kids with financial or cultural difficulties. However, it doesn’t make sense to give money out just because one of the spouses is from a foreign country.

shalling [in response to 리겔]:

You are right except that multicultural families are also our fellow citizens. Lee Jae-yong [Samsung Electronics’ chairman’s son]’s son is our fellow citizen and multicultural families are our fellow citizens, too.

당근매니아:

We should first consider whether illegal residency should be blamed not only on individual illegal aliens but also on our labor system. What solution can you get if you don’t touch the cause and system? Personally, it’s embarrassing that this community is considered to be on the left side of the political fence, with this level of discourse. Reading the girl’s poster pisses me off again. I don’t even want to define myself as Korean and live like that. “A duty to raise their children as Korean”? What bullshit -_-; Concepts like ‘national character’ and ‘homogeneous culture’ are groundless myths in the first place. To be fair, I’m asking too much when even regionalism hasn’t been resolved yet.

커피프레스:

Realistically, there are difficulties for multicultural families to adapt to Korean society and the policy is to help make a soft landing to the social transformation. You can call it reverse-discrimination in some way but all kinds of welfare policies can be called so. Selective welfare becomes discriminatory to non-recipients and universal welfare gives unappreciated benefits to rich people. It’s a matter of degree. There is no definite answer that makes everyone happy. I checked the MOGEF‘s housing policy for multicultural households. It looks like legitimate welfare, not reverse-discrimination.

완전연소:

The fact that a mere high school student can write an argument like that and go out to the street to assert it makes me realize how nationalism can anaesthetize human senses and impose delusions.

사뇰 [In response to 당근매니아]:

To whom on earth is it embarrassing? To all the other non-existing countries in the world where couples with foreign spouses get subsidies? To Germany and France where national leaders declared multiculturalism has failed? Or to some imaginary country where multiculturalism is ideally implemented? “I don’t even want to define myself as Korean and live like that.” Did you put that part to sound more convincing? Do you think your twisted thoughts are common? It doesn’t seem like there are many Koreans who despise being Korean and I don’t think such people’s opinion really matters. Opinions of foreigners who care about Korea would be more beneficial.

당근매니아 [In response to 사뇰]:

Cheers to your extremism that interprets “I don’t want to be confined in the frame of being Korean” as “I despise being Korean”.

Blue-Blood:

It is true that the student said bullshit. She regards illegal aliens, foreign workers and multicultural families altogether. She calls for protecting our own citizens but that multicultural people are not our own citizens is a wrong premise to begin with. If you think the welfare system gives out too much, you just need to adjust it. Opposing it completely doesn’t make sense. We don’t even need this long thread of arguments. Man-made policies are not 100% perfect and most people take advantage of the flaws. It’s like just because there are some completely able-bodied or slightly injured people who received money for the disabled, she wants to abolish the entire benefits for the disabled.

세월의흐름:

Naturalized Koreans and foreign workers are our friends. Native Koreans are our families. It is narrow-minded to think nationalism is bound to turn hostile, always bringing up the Nazi Germany’s example. Benevolent nationalism is also possible. Even if we love our families with a sense of unity, it doesn’t mean we ignore or look down on our friends.

당근매니아:

I just don’t like it when they define humans primarily by nation or ethnicity. My nationality is Korean. I’m a mongoloid. I speak Korean. I support social democracy. I have no religion. I value the scientific way of thinking. I like elegant proses. I do not understand why my nationality should come before the other characteristics that define me and I don’t know what ‘Korean’ as in ‘a duty to raise their children as Korean’ exactly means. Is it enough if I speak Korean well, like Kimchi and celebrate Korean national holidays? Things like nationality and cultural membership are not something absolute. Why would you religiously value it? If you insist I’m supposed to share common human traits with other Koreans just because of my nationality tag, isn’t that just nationalism?

너는두부공 [In response to 당근매니아]:

I do respect your personal opinion. Genetic traits of Korean people clearly exist. It is completely your own freedom to ignore such things and if someone criticizes you for that, it is them who are stupid. However, if you think your perspective makes you more ethical or humane, it is another matter. These days, charity events or commercials to help African children are a trend. The catchy phrase is that 10k won can save three starving minors. It’s interesting. Let’s say average Koreans make 1.5 million won monthly. If only 1/10 of 50 million Koreans donate 1/5 of their incomes (it’s a matter of human lives!), we can save 120 million African children a year. However, no people or organizations have ever done something of that scale while millions of them have died for decades.

We live for ourselves and you can’t criticize that. Do Korea’s prominent left-wing intellectuals such as Park No-ja [Russian-born naturalized Korean scholar famous for social critiques] or Chin Jung-kwon participate in such donations? If they donate half of their monthly income right now, that can prolong hundreds of children’s lives. That’s interesting. They always talk about love for humanity in words but Park left for Norway for a better job and Chin complains about living expenses to his wife.

If you are uncomfortable with labelling identity, why don’t you look at the tide of multiculturalism in reality as social class struggle? Would that make you feel comfortable? ^^ People formed a group and eventually a nation to protect themselves against economic struggles and outsiders’ plundering. After spending thousands of years in such frame, they ended up sharing common genetic, linguistic and cultural traits. In modern times, they defined citizenship in the West and ethnic identity in the East, depending on their historical and spacial characteristics. In this 21st century, there may be people who are uncomfortable with such labels. However, that doesn’t make them more ethical or humane. (Consider all the historical figures who sacrificed themselves for other people…) Today’s multiculturalism is an issue that is clearly differed by social class. If you want to talk more about this, I’m open to it. ^^

당근매니아 [in response to 너는두부공]:

1. I’m puzzled at the idea that genetic characteristics and phenotypes that define Korean people exist in reality. Within Korea, Southern and Northern phenotypes co-exist and the Mongolian conquest, Japanese occupation, etc. made it very hard to distinguish Chinese, Koreans and Japanese in terms of phenotypes. The range of phenotype variations within Korea are much bigger than the difference between the averaged Korean and Japanese phenotypes.
2. I don’t think my stance is particularly ethical or humane. This is a value-neutral matter and I refuse to drag that into the realm of values. Me as an individual is more convincing than me as a Korean to define myself.
3. Your example reminds me of the gold-collecting campaign [after the IMF bailout in 1997]. Replacing the national or social system’s burden with each individual’s responsibility makes it look straightforward for now. Numerous people still lose their lives because of parasites and diseases caused by them in the Third World. However, the research budget allocated for them is an extremely small portion of that for hair loss treatment in the world. You can’t rely on individual responsibility to deal with such problems.

I regard the relationship between the nation and the individual as a contract. The nation has a duty to build social and physical safety net for which I pay taxes. When you don’t see this relationship mutually responsible, it may become nationalism. It seems this society doesn’t really seem to acknowledge mutual responsibility.

“I with my body and soul solemnly pledge allegiance for eternal glory of the motherland and people.” [‘The Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag‘ before the revision in 2007.]

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  • That’s a lot of police armed with riot shields for a one-woman protest.

    • Is she perhaps near a government building? They don’t seem to be minding her much, so they might be there for other reasons.

    • vincent

      The article states that she’s in front of the National Assembly makes sense they would have a lot of security there.

      • I’m aware of that, was just poking fun at what appeared to be a heavy handed response. Having said that, you should see the amount of riot police even the smallest of protests can attract. I’ve never seen a protest in Seoul where the police don’t outnumber the protesters.

  • k.ftw

    Somehow I feel like this young lady confuses multiculturalism and immigration, or should I say immigration from poor countries, she probably doesn’t mind the european and american girls who now lives in Korea after getting married.
    Now regarding the money transfer, this usually happens when the immigrants have to help their parents, and this is usually one of the reason why they have to leave the country and sometimes accept to not see them again. But immigrants children don’t have this dilemma so they becomes totally part of the country economy. Still, since Korea is part of the countries where people are the most educated, the “low class” jobs need to be filled, especially when you see how old the population is, and it’s definitely not someone from seoul university who will clean CEOs bathrooms..

  • I think she has a few valid points and at least explains her argument in a concise manner, but generalizing her stand as ‘X Multiculturalism’ is a mistake. Multiculturalism does not equal illegal immigration and human trafficking.

    I agree about bringing immigrants (often illegal ones) to work for scraps. It’s a problem my own country has had and it’s happening all over Europe now too. Companies and governments don’t want to improve labor laws, working conditions and wages and they don’t want to improve legal immigration. It costs time and money and they want more, not less. Having people from abroad work for a tiny fraction of the legal wages and then selling the product for the regular within the country prices brings a hell of a gain. It’s greed and it happens at the expense of the local economy, people and also these immigrants who are being used and paid unfair wages and also forced to live in hiding and illegally (citizenship gives them rights and they can no longer threaten them into working like good little slaves).

    I also agree about bringing in poor women and selling them off to Korean men who can’t get married. This is human trafficking. It is not only bad for the country itself and its people, but it also endangers these women who are forced to fend for themselves trapped in foreign land. Furthermore, it encourages their own countries to keep selling their women off abroad for money. Neither country and its citizens should approve of this practice.

    That said, this girl had lost the fight the moment she generalized it to ‘no multiculturalism’. It’s not other cultures or legal immigrants who harm anyone. Those even contribute to the economy and the people. It’s corruption and their own government and companies which allow and welcome illegal immigration and human trafficking that are the problem. So instead of pointing the finger at other cultures or even the people who are trying to survive and have a future by coming in illegally, it’s their own powers they should blame.

  • Noir12

    So, judging by the quality and intelligence of the netizens’ comments, I can’t help but ask: Is this website like the total, Manichean opposite of Ilbe?

    • Sillian

      MLB park is one of the sites that are ridiculed on Ilbe. Ilbe is a naughty humor site associated with conservative politics but when it comes to multi culti issues, many of them don’t go with the ruling conservative party. They make some good points on some political issues but their notoriously unfiltered language, which they intentionally promote, often clouds their arguments.

      • Noir12

        Thanks for the links. Especially the third article which sounded like a springboard for a zombie-apocalypse plot (what, with that “failed containment” origin story, and cannibalizing failed websites.. eh?). But on a more serious note, it’s a shame that Ilbe has to characterize itself on trolltastic crudeness–which is surprising since it’s supposed to be the last holdout of conservative politics on the Korean internet. You figure they’d take that much more seriously in this day and age.

    • Echo

      According to leftist, any website that subscribes to their views is rational and intelligent. Those that don’t are ‘bigoted’ ‘racist’ ‘ignorant’ ‘ill informed’ … etc.

      Leftists truly live on an imaginary world.

      • Noir12

        Alright, I’ll bite.

        I called these posts rational and intelligent because they’re not at each others’ throats (which is what Ilbe prides itself on). Also, Ilbe’s community has a known tendency to condemn women, certain races, nations, etc. in the name of conservatism or patriotism without rhyme or reason. That’s bigotry, any way you look at it.

        • Echo

          Ilbe is not a politically correct tool. They don’t spout out the same boring false politically correct hogwash. That’s what you leftists are against. Reality. Multiculturalism has been an unmitigated disaster on every society it has been unleashed, and yet these brainwashed braindead leftist tools continue to scream racism or attempt BS excuses like denying the existence of a korean people.

          • Noir12

            Don’t know what you’re so worked up about. At the heart of it, my post was a comparison on how..

            1) Ilbe has a tendency to degenerate to mud-slinging, and generally make rude statements that no one would ever say out loud in public away from their keyboard/smartphone/similarly-minded buddies/etc. This isn’t exclusive to Ilbe, but Ilbe is notorious for it.

            2) This discussion on MLB Park features intelligent comments from both conservative and liberal positions, civil in language and conduct. I found that impressive, and thought netizens should seek to adopt that model of civility.

            3–the prestige!) I put those two together into a somewhat snarky comment.

            So you see, my original post had nothing to do with left/right politics. That’s something you brought along; and now I’m scratching my head over what your zinger “denying the existence of a Korean people” has to do with anything. When did anyone bring that up?

          • Echo

            90% of the posts on MLB are ranting leftists, some of them denying the existence of a korean people to justify open door immigration policy.

            No wonder right wingers sling mud, their positions are deemed politically incorrect and thrown out. So they internalize their frustration and post them anonymously.

          • Piff

            all you’re doing echo is talking about how we r labelling you as some idiots. Also, you really aren’t providing anything intellegible or justifiable for your statements. At least Noir is making a point about patterns and tendencies of certain websites based in history of posts while making fair cases on both sides of the coin. In many cases, ppl r not all leftist or all right wing in the first place. i’m a conservative from the US but i make a lot of room for leftist ideals b/c many conservative morals as well would encourage such action in its purest sense. many hardcore christians of right-wing politics would make room too simply b/c such ideals r promoted in their religion. For ex. in economics, ppl don’t just talk about Adam Smith, Keynes, hayek, Fred List, etc. You analyze a situation and take action in the best way possible. However, politicians on both sides are corrupted which leads to more of a competition than anything. if you see it as a competition and cannot accept the views of another, then you really r incorrect, irrational, and bigoted. Not saying that you don’t accept the other side’s views, but from what I see, you’re doing the same thing that you say ‘leftists’ are doing to conservatives. you could be a guy from that llbe just trolling for all i know. If you want to make an argument, be smart, courteous, and fair; actually back-up your statements w/ some tangible knowledge.

  • Multiculturalism should be welcome in any country, as long as the people immigrating to that country are willing to adapt. It doesn’t make sense to go to live in a country and expect to live the same exact way as you did in your home country.

    • jon776

      But I like stoning sluts who dare to show their ankles? You are a racist if you don’t allow me to do that.

      // Normal muslim

      • Rez

        I think you haven’t met many, if any, normal Muslim.

        It would be akin to me saying:

        But I like bombing countries and stealing their natural resources and not caring about the death of their civilians.

        //Normal American/European

    • Echo

      Except multiculturalism never works. Instead of hoping that one day it will miraculously work, how about we just stop this failed policy of multikult.

    • jinku

      I find it hilarious that (white) foreigners are commenting on korean national affairs.lol!

      • moody

        Good that you find it funny, hope you ll have a good laugh reading this thread

    • The Kindly Man

      No one replying to you has obviously ever been to New York City. If you guys were right then we wouldn’t have an diverse ethnic fabric, and hundreds of different races being able to get along and create a wonderful city everyday. New Yorkers understand we’re all in this together, when your Xenophobia is gone then you can truly progress as a society, and the way you doubters claim that multiculturalism doesn’t work and bash on Islam, is the same way those who you target justify their actions against you. “Look what they say about muslims, they hate us all, why should we get along with them.” “Look how they reject us from their society, why should I try to join them when one crazy man kills a soldier and then suddenly the 99.9999999999% of immigrants who don’t go out and murder people are also subjected to the same hate he gets.”

      • sheila m

        The Kindly Man- You’re so wrong about NYC, Lol! I don’t know where you live but america and new york city has as much racism against asians as it does other racial/ethnic groups, many blacks, hispanics hate asians! You’re either misinformed or you don’t live or have not lived in NYC at all. New York city is not wonderful, maybe to some people (you included) it is. Many Americans call new york city the shithole cesspool of smelly, filthy, low lifes illegal immigrants, and it’s so called divershitty state. although upstate new york in some areas are still mostly white with few asians that are wealthy. There’s xenophobia in every country around the world. whenever Koreans migrate to the U.S or U.K., or Canada, Koreans tend to live within their own Korean communities and they don’t integrate well with other various American cultures. Also do you remember in the 90’s, the Los Angeles California riots that involved racial disputes and crimes in the korean community against blacks, remember the korean shopkeeper shot the young teenage black girl in the back because the black teen walked out of the store without paying for the items she took? what about the riots in Brooklyn NY in the late 90’s when black americans protested and rioted, looting korean delis and beat korean shopkeepers and other korean shoppers? it was all over in the news! many koreans still face hate crimes, racism in America and especially Europe. Also Koreans are known in the world over as also racists towards darker skinned people and other asians in general, plus the misogynist cultural beliefs are well known in the world. that’s the truth. I’m currently living in downtown NYC, and i can testify this. Just because a state or region in the U.S. and it’s demographics is considered diverse, it does not mean people get along or really like each other, most of them don’t and they stick within their own community and their own ethnic enclaves/people, (sure some of them they smile in your face and are friendly but it does not mean anything). There’s many Americans from different states, regions that don’t wish to live in NYC and among it’s inhabitants. About your comment on Islam, (muslims), again you’re misinformed. the islam beliefs are based on 7th century scriptures of mohammed who himself was a criminal and a pedophile rapist. In Islam it’s believed everyone else who is not Muslim is an infidel and worthless. Many Muslims despise the modern western and eastern ideology and wish to implement sharia law and turn the western and eastern nations into Islam or otherwise commit terrorist acts (suicide bombers) in U.S. and other various European-asian nations and eventually they want to bring their violent religion to all of Asia. multiculturalism does not work what so ever. multiculturalism breeds more hatred, racism, favoritism, violence, in many societies.

        • Lorena

          “remember the korean shopkeeper shot the young teenage black girl in the back because the black teen walked out of the store without paying for the items she took?” Actually, the girl was going to pay for the juice. Du assumed she was stealing, grabbed her and then a fight started between them. When it was over, the girl took the juice out of her bag, placed it on the counter and was going to leave, but the lady shot her in the back of the head for no reason. The girl died with the money for the juice in her hand.

          Also, NYC is kind of a good example of how a lot of cultures get along. Yes, there’s lots of racism. But, it isn’t always so out in the open like some other places and there are people from all over eating, taking public transportation, working and doing so many things together without many problems.

    • thetruth

      That’s the problem learnsomdamnnaers. They aren’t adapting nor willing to. Muslims want to enter your country and then once they are numerous in size enough, will start demanding more and more and eventually PROTEST for the culture to become Islamic, and the political system to become Islamic and hence turn the nation into an official ISLAMIC STATE. That’s what they’ve done to 49 other countries in this world that are currently an Islamic State. So you think it’s ok for this to happen?

      • Rez

        Someone has been reading too much Robert Spender and Grellar.

    • hongtian

      Except that never happens these days. Despite all common sense, wanting people to assimilate into the dominant culture is labeled as racist and hateful now.

      • Rez

        You want people to give up their culture, their history and their religion so they can be like ‘White” people?

    • Guy Forget

      well my friend, that is not the case anymore…immigrants come and try to establish their own culture, ideals, laws, etc like americans trying to americanize korea (everything that is not like america in korea is considered bad and ignorant) or muslims (muslims who want to have their own colleges and schools, eventually when large enough in numbers will want sharia law and establish an islamic society). Multiculturalism works in say Canada, but it is failing miserably in UK, France, Sweden, Germany, Norway, Ireland, and yeah, it ain’t gonna go well in Korea either, this ain’t exactly a land of immigrants that is up for grabs like Canada or the US are.

  • MeiDaxia

    The 3D job situation exists in the USA as well, and the root of the problem is NO ONE wants to pay more money for those jobs to be done! So, in order to supplement the wages so they might become “competitive” should the government raise taxes on everyone else, to give people more incentive for 3D jobs? Good luck with that. Especially in Korea, where an outrageous percent of the population have college educations, you can’t tell me any amount of incentive short of 6 month holidays and a million dollar pay day is gonna be enough to make them do this work, the same with educated America. When people reach a certain level of education, they put themselves “above” some types of employment. Is this a good thing? Well, if the only jobs to be had are those you put yourself above doing, then sure…

    • Kevin Miles

      If truly no-one wanted to these jobs then the positions could not be filled, which would lead to increases in pay and conditions.
      Whilst obviously not as simple as that in reality, has there ever been a case where an over abundance of labour has been a positive for the worker?

      • If a massive influx of new workers is bad for current workers, you’d expect that women joining the workforce would’ve been bad for male workers. Has it been?

        • Ruaraidh

          If labour demand outstrips supply you get unemployment pressures, which lower wages until labour demand rises again to create a new equilibrium. Matters are somewhat more complicated in economies with minimum wages and individual firms that have an impact on the labour market, such as the Chaebols.

          Women in the west were for the most part joining a labour market during a sustained period of economic growth. In fact between 1950 and 2011 UK equities had grown by a factor of 1135. Hence women were entering the labour market at a time when demand was outstripping supply, which disguised the negative effect on wages their participation was having.

          Markets have been fairly stagnant for the last 5 years and can’t absorb immigration without wage falls and unemployment rises. There are a lot more arguments to be made regarding the effects of immigration on welfare states amongst other things. Suffice it to say, I’ve an economics degree and I think immigration should be more tightly controlled, and it only really benefits large employers and the immigrants themselves.

          • Pickle

            I agree with tightening immigration. I actually think it should be ended and many sent back. Especially in America but even more so in Europe. What’s the excuse for immigration in Europe? Are people going to call Europeans racist for not wanting it? Whites are native there. And it can’t be called a land of immigrants. It’s obvious bringing in new people will compete for work. The governments aren’t helping its own citizenry.

  • Nilerafter24

    She over-simplifies the problem.
    So long as the vast majority of people in a country are well educated (college educated), how on earth can they be convinced to do 3D jobs. Even though the working conditions and wages are improved, there’s a pride/dignity factor she does not consider. Who is going to go take their Engineering degree to clean toilets/lay bricks etc
    She also doesn’t factor highly skilled foreign labour into her argument (business mangers, educators, professors, engineers,architects etc). She only looks at multiculturalism from the poor/illegal immigrants angle.

    • chucky3176

      You push that common erroneous thinking there that Koreans won’t do 3D jobs. Many Koreans are not hired by those jobs because businesses can’t easily exploit them as much as the migrant workers.

      • Justin_kBANG

        you saying….?

    • Kochigachi

      You forgot 30% of S.Koreans aren’t highly skilled and well educated which mean they’re willing to find 3D jobs but rich folks in Korea doesn’t want to pay higher wage so they’re supporting immigration.

  • koreanizer

    Im a foreigner and I work here in Korea. As I pay the same taxes than korean citizens I expect the same rigths in return. Isnt that fair?

    • dk2020

      Do you have and are you willing to get ROK citizenship? Foreigners on work/student visas don’t have equal rights in the US either ..

      • RegisterToPost

        The Latinos are working to make that changes after the amnesty.

      • Paul M

        I seriously considered that. However to become a Korean citizen I would have to give up citizenship to the country I was born in (most countries, including mine, allow dual nationality). Also when I spoke to my boss about it he made allusions to me losing my job. I can only speculate as to why that would be.

        But imagine if I were to gain Korean citizenship, would you consider me a Korean?

        • chucky3176

          Paul M, look up the new immigration law that came into effect in 2011. If you want dual nationality as a South Korean citizen, it really doesn’t take much to do so.

          • Paul M

            Great, now there’s only the problem of losing my job.

          • chucky3176

            why would you lose your job? that doesn’t make any sense.

          • Paul M

            I know it doesn’t. Like I said before I was chatting to my boss about it and he said in veiled terms that I wouldn’t get my contract renewed if I were to become a citizen. I can only guess that becoming a citizen would mean I would have to be paid more than I am now, be eligible to more social security benefits and that it would be harder to dismiss me at a later time if they were to keep me on.

            The thing is I really like my job and I don’t want to rock the boat. Plus I’m getting to old to go job seeking again.

        • dk2020

          Sure, if you had Korean citizenship ..

          • Paul M

            Sorry, but I don’t believe you.

          • dk2020

            lols, yeah paul like my opinion of you matters anyways .. you get what you give .. good luck.

          • Paul M

            So I take it I’m right in not believing you then? I think you’ll find that it’s not just white people who don’t assimilate too well in east Asia and not for the reasons you seem to assume. You talk about assimilation and then use labels such as Asian-American and Latino’s. Why don’t you just call yourself American if you are that much assimilated into western culture? Would I be allowed the same leeway to call myself Euro-Korean or White-Korean?

          • Pickle

            I’d believe you. As soon as there are as many white people in Korea as there are Koreans in America.

          • dk2020

            like that’ll ever happen, white folks don’t seem to assimilate too well in east asia and there’s division among expats within racial lines, individualism vs collectivism, the migrant wives have more political power than whites do .. hopefully it’ll get better but I think cultural differences are too much ..

          • harvz

            I agree with all of this.

            Excellent post.

          • Pickle

            That line of America being built on immigrants isn’t really true.
            But since you by passed my point: whites aren’t allowed in Asia with the same numbers Asians are welcomed in America and not with welcomed arms either. Immigrants can come here and learn little English and still get ahead. They have neighborhoods named after them, pride festivals etc. Pretty easy to adjust with that type of welcome.

          • dk2020

            white folks ain’t immigrants to the US? really? okay lols .. ain’t nobody stopping you from moving to asia.. big difference is asian immigrants become US citizens unlike white folks that are content with their foreigner status.

          • Pickle

            Whites can’t become citizens there. Isn’t allowed. Otherwise Thailand would be really flooded with them instead of just well off foreigners living the high life.

            And yes, whites aren’t immigrants to the US. The recent ones who just arrived are but people who have families who have been here for centuries aren’t immigrants. Are you saying I’m an immigrant to the USA? Part of my family was here since the 17th century. The other part, Native Americans were here since they crossed the land bridge from Asia over 10,000 years ago. Yet I’m an immigrant but ABC aren’t? Is that your logic?

          • dk2020

            so you’re mixed? ever hear of the one drop rule? who cares .. ain’t like you’re moving to asia anytime soon and have you ever even been there?

          • Pickle

            One drop rule is bullshit. I mean whose drop is more important. Yes I’m mixed but like most people I just give a generic answer of myself to avoid a long winded discussion unless it’s with a person who’s sincerely interested.
            Of course I’m not moving to Asia. I’d love to visit it though.
            One doesn’t need to go there to learn about it but of course that is best. The things I spoke of is not stuff that is hard to by knowledge. I certainly never claimed to be an expert on it, did I? Besides reading and speaking with immigrants, common sense of what your own eyes and ears tells you goes a long way too.
            Despite what you may think I actually dealt with a lot of Asians and some I count as friends. You probably think I’m a racist for my dislike of double standards. That’s ok. Thats how modern people have been conditioned to think. It’s not just Asia. Latin America does the same thing.

          • Paul M

            Seriously, have you not paid attention to anything I’ve said? Or do you just want to keep your petty prejudices so that you can continue hating on white people? You bitch and moan about how racist white people are for not accepting Asian-Americans. Well, read this next part carefully… it works the other way round too for us white people living in Asia!

          • dk2020

            No shit Paul thats what I’ve been saying!! You sound like I’m anti-immigration. I anti white privilege .. it is what it is, but I’m not going to accept you if you don’t want Korean citizenship and just whine about how bad it is for white folks in Korea, without political power and struggle no changes will come anytime soon, when YOU chose that life!

            I’m a American citizen I was born in Gardena CA .. I didn’t choose to live in another country to teach English find a wife or have kids over there. I don’t need acceptance from white folks in America. California is a minority majority state lols, and I’ve never lived in a white neighborhood or expect sympathy from white folks or any other race except from family or friends, most people are apathetic when it comes to racism unless it effects them directly.

          • Paul M

            I didn’t say you were anti-immigration, I’m saying you’re just anti-white people.

            At risk of giving away too much personal info to strangers on the internet, let me tell you a bit about myself. I grew up in a single parent family in a government owned tenement in a working class industrial city. Most of the industries were being scaled back and closed down as the government was busy changing the nation’s economy into service/financial, which meant a lot of people out of work with very little money. One of my clearest childhood memories was of clashes between strikers and police, which looked more like a pitched street battle with burning cars and ransacked shops. Most of the kids I grew up with are either in prison, dead or ex-military which would have been my life except for one thing. I managed to escape all that because I read books. This meant I was able to go to a pissy little university nobody has heard of, but for me it was a lifeline. After a string of dead end jobs in my own country working as someone’s minion, I was able to use my qualifications and experience to move abroad and find work there. Now, after working and living in several other countries I have a pretty well paying job and I live in a middle class neighbourhood in a large Korean city. So don’t you fucking tell me that I’m privileged, or that it was all handed to me on a silver platter coz of the colour of my skin. I know my limitations and I can live within them since I’ve had limitations while growing up.

            What boils my blood are idiots like you who assume that all white people grow up in nuclear white-bread white collar families out in the green suburbs with their 4 bedroom houses and 2 cars. Because of this assumption you automatically dismiss anything I say or any criticisms I may level by saying “yeah whateva! STFU white boy! Check your privilege.” I remember a while back you were pulling that trick on someone and then they revealed to you that they were black, and then suddenly you were all sympathy and understanding. What I want from you is that you get rid of your blinkered prejudice and judge what people say on the merits of what they say rather than the colour of their skin.

          • Ruaraidh

            In my experience it’s best to just ignore koreaBANG’s special little snowflake. Whatever you say, no matter how reasonable or well thought out, it won’t be heeded. Even if you grew up in inner city Glasgow (did you?), you’re still dripping with the ever convenient white privilege. What’s funniest is that it seems like his life is one of quiet affluence, eating a lot, smoking weed a lot and posting on the Internet about thug life. Also hilariously, according to his instagram, as of a few months ago at least, he’s never even been to Korea anyway.

          • dk2020

            you should follow your own advice and keep ignoring me dickhead, all up on my instagram like you know me huh? smfh this only the 2nd time you ever said anything to me .. whos trolling who?

          • Ruaraidh

            #Put some more words in my mouth #I wasn’t saying anything to you! #Isn’t it racist to imply only blacks can be into thuglife? #Brought this on yourself when you typed ‘white privilege.’

          • Paul M

            Thanks Ruaraidh. I would normally ignore such people, however dk2020 tends to comment quite a lot and some of his ant-white statements gets upvoted quite a bit. At times I feel compelled to address what he’s saying. To me he’s no different to those in-bred yokels back home who complain of Pakistanis coming over raping our women and sponging off benefits. Oh, and good guess.

          • dk2020

            Paul want a tissue? There’s lots more anti-Korean sentiment on here than anything else and you seem to agree with most of it, respect is a two way street. I’ve never attacked you personally or said any of those things, called you an idiot or inbred so take it with a grain of salt. Both of you don’t really bother me with your condescending smug attitudes IDGAF .. I’m still going to say my piece, so next time don’t ask for it ..

          • Paul M

            Looks like you need to follow my lead and read more books. I said that your are ‘like’ (as in similar to, as in you bear a resemblance to) the inbred yokels back in my country, I did not say that you are one. The stuff being said by right-wing groups such as the BNP and the EDL (google them) sound remarkably similar to what’s being said by yourself and a few other people on here I could mention. I actually find that it is you that has a condescending smug attitude with your stylised ghetto slang quips and ‘whatever’ snide remarks – “Paul want a tissue?” being a fine example there.

            Please point to any of the previous articles here where someone made an unfair remark about Korea that I vocally supported? I give credit where credit is due but I refuse to be a kiss ass towards everything Korean purely because I live in Korea while not being ethnically Korean.

          • dk2020

            Obviously, we have a difference of opinion, so you ask me what I think, I didn’t ask for your life story, and you call me a racist right winger because I think you should earn citizenship to be considered Korean, become empowered, if you want to have rights and settle down. You know, what minorities have been doing across the pond. Good luck to you, I don’t blame you for shit BTW..

          • Paul M

            You didn’t ask for my life story yet are content to tell every one about yours. What’s more, the snarky little comment you left indicated that you didn’t even read mine. You also keep saying that you didn’t grow up in a white neighbourhood and that you never really interacted with white people ever. However you are content sit behind your keyboard passing judgement on us. To me that is the epitome of ignorance. How about learning more about the people you are interacting with on here.

            You make it sound so easy. Go to Korea, learn the language and culture, get citizenship and, BANG, you’re an equal and everyone accepts you as one of their own. If only that were true. Even if you believe that if I were to get citizenship you would consider me a Korean doesn’t have the slightest impact on reality here. I feel like I’m going around in circles talking to you as I’ve said all this to you before. But hey, I’m just a spoilt rich little white boy, why listen to me right?

          • dk2020
          • Paul M

            So do we agree that Koreans also have to make an effort to be more inclusive and it’s not purely the responsibility for immigrants? Sometimes I feel that the only way for Koreans to accept me as an equal would be to live in a hanok, wear a hanbok everyday, bow three times every time I see the Taegeuki and wipe my arse on the Japanese flag.

          • Isaac

            What do you mean by ‘equal’? What the hell do you want from us?!…

          • Paul M

            I said it before and I’ll say it again. What I want is to live my life with my wife in our home and do my job the best I can. I don’t want to be seen as an alcoholic, HIV infected, child molesting, drug addicted, morally bankrupt rapist. I mean, is that a little too much to ask for?

          • chucky3176

            Paul M, I really don’t know what you’re complaining about. Most Westerners don’t immigrate to South Korea, nor most stay and live in S.Korea for the rest of their lives. Westerners are transients, non-factors in this equation of demand for multiculturalism. Most Westerners with long term visa’s are short time visitors, usually English teachers and businessmen, with no stake in the country. Of course there are a number of western expats who are life timers, but they are few minority. Just look outside (other than Itaewon and few other places), how many foreign looking faces do you see out there? That’s right, not many, as most are Asian looking. But many of them are not originally born in South Korea to Koreans.

            This is about Multiculturalism in Korea which is about specifically integrating South East Asians into Korea, and changing Korea’s culture and language to accommodate South East Asian cultures so that Korea more resembles multi-Asiatic cultural sphere which replaces the mono-Korean culture.

          • Ruaraidh

            If westerners don’t tend to stay long term in Korea, it shouldn’t make a difference anyway. Paul M isn’t saying they should just give Korean citizenship away, just make it more realistically attainable for people who are invested in Korea for the long term.

          • Paul M

            So you see nothing wrong with villifying a group of people based on the actions of just a few members of that group? I know the focus is more on South East Asian immigrants, however I am responding to accusations thar White people won’t assimilate to their host culture. My point is that quite a few of us do try our best, however that isn’t enough as the often the host culture will not accept them.

          • dk2020

            Paul, you asked me if I would consider you Korean if you got citizenship and I just gave my opinion. I think in the US or any other country the same is expected of immigrants or foreigners that want to settle down and have a family .. but you have your reasons, mainly to keep your job. I’ll try to stop with the white people hate but it seems to always come back down to it with white guys complaining the most on KBang even if the article has nothing to do with foreigners. My solution is get Korean citizenship and change the system like Jasmine Lee who I do consider Korean. But whatevs man it’ll be the same shit when the next scandalous article come out .. and since when did everybody get hella sensitive about race on KBang? That’s what all the arguments come about with culture clash .. at least it’s not really that bad compared to CSmack .. Lol, cheers bruv and good luck to you ..

        • I think that even if you get Korean citizenship it will be just citizenship but you cannot be considered Korean – it is the matter of culture and mentality. I would say that rare white expats can really embrace Asian mentality.

      • Jang

        But foreigners in America do have the same “fundamental” rights, something Korean judges refuse to give to foreigners in S. Korea.

        • dk2020

          What fundamental rights is that? You commit a crime as a foreigner on visa you get deported in America.

          • Brian Murphy

            The law is the law. For foreigners and disabled people like yourself.

          • dk2020

            uh okay .. fuck the law anarchy bitches.

    • chucky3176

      That is not the issue here. The issue here are the pundits who back the plan to replace 43% of South Koreans with new immigrants by 2050. This is insane, to play eugenics population control, to change the fabric of the nation in such a short time. It will cause massive problems and racial strife.

      • Justin_kBANG

        can u give me a name of this pundit?

        • chucky3176

          Samsung Research, 2012, on immigration recommendation, as mentioned in the previous thread that appeared on Ilbe.

          • Justin_kBANG

            chuckster, did you actually read the SERI article? the report says nothing of the sort that ilbe people suggest.

            this is what it ACTUALLY says

            -유엔은 노동력 문제를 해소하기 위해 2050년까지 1,159만명의 이민을 받아들여야 할것으로 전망
            – 불황으로 외국인 정책이 지나치게 경직될 경우, 향우 수급 유연성 회복은 물론 장기적 사회통합에 더 큰 비용을 초래할 수도 있음

            man, talk about ‘GOTCHA’ ilbe journalism…. the report’s argument is that if korea throttles the influx too much when the global economy rebounds the lost-opportunity cost will be too high and 금융위기로 인한 일시적 고용보호주의가 장기적 외국인 정책을 굴절시키지 않도록 유의; i.e., more flexible policy framework that will not damage in the long term.

            i don’t see anything wrong with it. as for the UN figure, he is just using it to highlight the demographic unwinding taking place in SK.

      • Well, then tell the Korean couples to fuck more w/o contraceptives. With 1.2~1.3 birthrate, Korea will be in huge trouble by 2050.

  • nqk123

    Most asian nations are still very close minded. In addition to criticism of small details that nobody give a cra p about in the west.

    • dk2020
    • y.m.

      Most westerners in Asia are very close minded. Whether be china, korea, or japan, majority of the westerners hardly ever try to adapt into their culture nor do they even try to learn the native language there.

      • jon776

        Well, for a European to “adapt” to asian cultures would be like downgrading your brain.

        • ChuckRamone

          Adaptation is neither good nor bad. It’s not upgrading or downgrading either. It’s simply changing to fit into a new environment, the same way that evolution is not linear or a sign of “progress.”

          • jon776

            Oh really? Why don’t you go live with the rats in the sewers and then tell me that wouldn’t be a downgrade.

          • ChuckRamone

            Because I’m not a rat. I live in human habitations among human society.

          • jon776

            Me too. That’s why I don’t live in Asia.

          • ChuckRamone

            Then you’re saying Asians are rats. You should’ve just said so instead of beating around the bush. Pretty amazing that you can communicate with rats on the Internet. You must be part rat yourself.

          • jon776

            No I didn’t, but nice try.

        • Exactly the kind of mindset fitting for everyone.

          In the 19th century.

      • There is a difference between adapting and trying to change your cultural identity to fit certain standards. It’s humanly impossible to change the culture one grew up in and no one should be expected to do that. There are ways to keep your culture and traditions and still adapt just fine and accept and live in another culture.

        However, learning the language as best as one can is a given, yes. If you truly want to adapt, you try. Can’t expect everyone else to learn a foreign language when you are the foreigner there. I agree efforts have to be made by a person to adapt, but I also believe sometimes the extent and nature of what is expected of foreigners to change is too big. I’m talking in general here and not just about Asia. Many countries are too demanding in this issue.

  • 82Leicester82

    Every nation should celebrate its own culture while respecting and appreciating others. When you try to accommodate multiple cultures in one nation you end up with chaos, look at England, The Netherlands and France right now, they’re reaching their boiling point. In America, despite being called ‘multicultural’, in reality we still have the same tried and true system of assimilation rather than multiculturalism, and our country has always been a mongrel nation, unlike Korea and Europe.

    • MeCampbell30

      False.

    • TheKorean

      Americans are mutts, there are English, German, Irish, Scottish, French, Spanish, etc. all mixed. :) However, Korea is much more homogeneous than Europe due to geography and history. In Korea, your ancestors and origin determines your status in society, is still ingrained more in North than South. People say this is racist but I don’t think so. Korea does not need western ideas of Feminism, Gay rights, etc.

      • Jang

        Only their people(“American mutts”) to help them(Koreans) fight against their brethren up north aye? And their weapons, and their money, right??? Korea hasn’t grown up yet, the men are scared to fight for themselves. Don’t forget that before you say “Korea does not need western ideas.” Korea can’t even handle the operational control with the U.S.A. which shows it can’t control much of anything.

        .

        • TheKorean

          To help keep the 38th parallel? The division that separated many families and loved ones? South Korea doesn’t even need US troops and this is whole another discussion unrelated to my original post.

        • Isaac

          You forgot that first bit where Americans drew the 38th parallel prior to the proxy war.

          “the men are scared to fight for themselves.”

          You clearly are delusional. You forgot how many Koreans fought in ‘Nam?

        • dk2020

          its funny how esl teachers thats never been in the military or fought in any wars ask for praise just because they are american ..

          • harvz

            I agree with that, but I also know plenty of gyopos (whom I harbor no ill will to) that come over to Korea and expect to be treated the same as Korean nationals despite never serving in the military. I feel that sharing that burden of conscription is one of the quintessential components of being a Korean national.

          • dk2020

            I don’t know about other gyopos but I still have family in Seoul and Daegu thats what matters to me, and that F4 visa for gyopos does make a difference. Korea has enough of its own problems that have nothing to do with foreigners or gyopos ..

      • harvz

        Yeah you’re right. Korea doesn’t need feminism. Let’s just o back to the days when women weren’t even given their own name.

        The fact that you think basic human rights for all is a western ideal encroaching on Korean society shows a lot about your intelligence level. You should move to the Bible Belt in America, there are lots of like minded sheep for you to be around.

      • Brian Murphy

        Proud to be a mutt, brother!

      • dk2020

        buhhhh, move to north korea if you believe in that juche minjok bullshit ..

      • Fuck you oriental filth. the west dosen’t need those digusting liberal Ideas either. but its forced on us by our own treachourous peice of shit elites. why should your culture be spared when ours isn’t? you’d better get used to the hell that is political correctness, because its coming to korea, and you can’t do anything about it.

        • mr.wiener

          Telling a Korean he can’t do something just makes him want to do it more.

        • hongtian

          Perhaps it would be more useful if people around the world united against liberal bullshit instead of hating each other and laughing at each other’s misfortunes?

  • harvz

    Been waiting for one or two weeks, can’t remember, hoping this story would make it’s way over to kbang :)

    Ilbe had it trending a while back.

  • y.m.

    Dont expect the country and its people to accept you without adapting to their society first. Thats how it should be in a time of globalization. Keeping your culture and traditions is going to be alot harder than inviting others into your country. I dont have a favorable view of the korean government, but i would hate to see a fellow Asian country loosing its traditional identity.

    • Pickle

      But you probably don’t mind western nations losing their identities, right?

  • YouAreSilly

    It’s nice to see the more reasoned discussions occurring on the Korean internet, rather than just the frothing-at-the-mouth reactionary opinions you find at Ilbe and similar sites.

    I think the girl has a few interesting points, but ultimately she makes way too many generalizations and assumptions to be taken a seriously. As others have said, multiculturalism is not just one issue. Lumping foreign spouses in with migrant and illegal workers shows no understanding of their completely different situations.

  • commander

    Naive. Raised wages and subsequemt declined proce competitivenes in Korean exports will dampen foreign appetite for exports as they find many substitutes at slightly higher prices but with comparable or better quality.

    And stricter enforcement against illegal inflow of migrant workers into the nation is one thing, improving labor conditions including the obligatory employment of irregular workers after a two year probationary period of hiring is another.

    Having said that, her argument deserve some consideration from a differemt perspective.

    In corporate Korea, a widening clout from conglomerates called chaebol, a business empire control by families, is stirifling entetpreneruship and promising venture projects that is co opted by corporate behemoths that seek to take hostile takeovers of those potentiall profitable fledgling firms.

    The result: a bunch of corporate juggernauts effectively take hold of almost entire national economy and chairpersons of those big firms cite their dominant position and great contribution to a flourishing economy when they stand before court for alleged economic offenses that includes tax evasion and collusion for government funded projects among others.

    The real problem with present dire youth unemployment had less to do with foreign wokers here than to do with outsized influences and unfair corporate practice from big firms.

    • Justin_kBANG

      http://neoskosmos.com/news/en/As-unemployment-rises-Greeks-still-wont-take-up-menial-jobs

      yup, v true. the main problem developed nations face right now is the de-valuation of labour which embittered the working class and discouraging the native youth from taking up those jobs DESPITE the wage rise in that sector. many policy makers, economists and labour sociologists start to think something is amiss here, even somewhere as dire as Greece right now.

      so it appears 2 things are afoot – 1) policy makers that try to bypass this problem by increasing the foreign workers who are likely to be trapped as illegal migrants (sort of migrant liquidity trap)

      2) ignoring the problem of devaluation of labour that turns native youth from taking up those jobs because of its ‘dead-end, no future’ prospect will face sure failure. turns out young folks nowadays would rather mooch off of parents or state until all resources are exhausted….. terrifying future indeed…

  • Jang

    ” If you promote brokered marriage instead of ‘natural’ marriage…,”

    Isn’t it Korea’s “common culture” to have brokered marriages throughout(between parents or grandparents of the wife/husband to be)? Her idea of “natural marriage” is demented.

    • PixelPulse

      I guess her idea of “natural marriage” is between two Koreans.

    • terriblemovie

      Arranged marriage is quite different from a brokered marriage. The arranged marriage involves two families connecting ties with both individuals being able to speak the same language and practice the same culture. Basically a marriage of convenience.

      Brokered marriaged involves-

      1. Husband goes to an agency to buy a woman.
      2. He looks at a brochure and picks the woman he wants. He pays the agency.
      3. He flies to said country and picks her up from the “shop”.
      4. They get married.
      5. Man is either unemployed/poor farmer/suffers a mental illness which is why he has to buy a wife.
      6. Wife is usually 30 years younger than husband. Poorly educated(which is why she is willing to be sold), cannot speak Korean, cannot communicate with husband.

      End result?

      Something like 70% of these marriages end in catastrophic divorce. They can’t communicate with each other and struggle financially. The husband might be violent and abusive(hence why he can’t get a real wife). The wife is only in it for the money. In fact their have been many instances where the wife takes all the husbands belongings and flees back to her country.

      If they do have kids. The kid lags behind his Korean peers when it comes to education. The father is too busy with work. The mother can’t speak Korean and is usually poorly educated, thus cannot help with her childs education. The family is too poor to afford hagwon education. The child might look different and thus be discriminated by their peers. Education is everything in South Korea. Tragically, 60% of children from brokered marriages drop out of high school. Compared to under 2% national average. Many of these drop outs are destined to miserable lives.

  • Yu Bum Suk

    I have a great deal of trouble believing that high school student would go to that much trouble all on her own. I can’t imagine one of my high school students ever going to such bother about something like that. This issue has pretty well no bearing to their lives whatsoever. Some HS students may not like PGH and I know many disliked 2MB but that’s about as far as their political opinions go, the Liancourt Rocks of course being the great exception.

    More likely this is a young lady whose fiance spurned her for a SE Asian girl.

    • dk2020

      I find more and more Korean youth being nihilistic and apathetic to politics being the trend ..

      • Jurippe

        Living in a city with a lot of Korean people, it’s actually quite shocking how divided they are on subjects like nationalism and politics. Half of them are patriotic to the point of extremism while the other half just couldn’t give a flying fuck. It’s nice too see that kind of balance when everyone online seems to be touting one line of the spectrum or another.

        • Kochigachi

          That’s normal. Showing only one sided view is abnormal.

          • Jurippe

            No, what isn’t normal is there’s no middle ground. That was my fault for not being clear.

    • Jang

      The age of Korean children doesn’t matter when it comes to anti-foreigner issues, middle school students protested against U.S. beef and kindergarten kids also attended. Korea, fighting!

      • Yu Bum Suk

        As a herd, yes, but individually?

    • Kochigachi

      As foreigner in Korea you should respect Korea’s ex-president Lee and Koreans. You should pay attention to your American land it’s being invaded Mexican and Muslims.

      • Yu Bum Suk

        I don’t have any major issues with 2MB, apart from censorship and libel laws. It’s my high school students who seemed really to dislike him. Go tell them to respect him if you think it’s so important. And like probably the majority who view this site I’m not American.

  • MeCampbell30

    I find it hilarious that a poster that protests multiculturalism is written in two languages.

    • Echo

      English is the lingua franca. It has no bearing on the multiculturalism issue.
      People all over the world learn english, this does not make them multicultural.

      • MeCampbell30

        How many of those people would use english to make a political point to a people that share the same language? The fact is that Korean culture has been infused with foreign influences. Glorifying some cultural influences (american) while disparaging others (south east asian) is wrong. Period.

        • Echo

          You’re just a misinformed loudmouth. Korea’s relationship with the US is simply utilitarian. America’s influence helps against NK and China. But don’t believe for one second that south koreans don’t deeply loathe the american. Back in 2005 there were million people protests against the US. Psy, a big hit with americans, sang songs about killing american families.

          Furthermore her target audience is not only the koreans, but everyone in the world who has issue with this plague known as multiculturalism. Since english is the lingua franca, that language is used. It could have been german or french, if those were the lingua franca.

          • MeCampbell30

            You’re the misinformed one. Have you even lived in Korea? I doubt it. Those protests were against the military presence and the harm it has caused locals.

            Koreas links to the US are long and deep. The vice chairman of Samsung, for example, is a dual US-Korean citizen educated at Stanford.

            Jeong Kim who was going to be a minister in President Parks administration served in the US Navy as an officer.

            Hollywood movies make their way into theaters across the nation and k-pop groups get lots of revenue from the US annually.

            Psy didn’t sing about killing american families but he did say that about american troops.

            Are you going to show your ignorance even more?

            Koreans have a bad reputation for treating south east asians with disdain and this isn’t any different. Trying to blame it on cultural differences is wrong and no one believes it.

          • sheila m

            I like to see korean movies with more korean actors and actresses have sex with (love scenes) foreigners of all skin colors in korean cinema. now that is hot and sexy:)

          • KurodaKun

            no.

          • MeCampbell30

            Psy also went to school in the US to study music.

          • Piff

            LOL again. misinformed loudmouth? Boy you sure are making some intelligent and rational comments. how are you different from the leftists that you were just complaining about, acting all vulnerable and pretending to feel targeted and labelled as ignorant and bigoted assholes. Plus you never replied to Noir’s comment about NYC. sure ppl still have issues w/ each other but if all this talk about multicult being a plague is true, then how do we have such a well-functioned society in NYC as a commercial capital of the world? The only ppl who have a hard time w/ ppl who are “different” r those who lived w/ the same kinds of ppl for too long and have become biased. Think of many suburbs in NJ and even the rare ones in NYC who are predominantly white. Do we hate white ppl just cause? no. minorities hate white ppl who have such biased views and choose to intentionally cause trouble or bully ppl who are different because such white ppl have ill-informed, scued, and uneducational views. Does that mean every white person is bad? Like everything, there are different sides of a situation. I myself, have many white friends even though I;m Asian American but I choose carefully by seeing which ppl are a little more open-minded and those ppl tend to be a little more settled in their life (as in they aren’t as insecure or don’t deny or hide their insecurities) and nicer to me.

          • sheila m

            Piff- you have misunderstood Mecampbell. NYC is nice when tourists visit or a business person who stays for a short term to come in and work. many americans can tell you that NYC is actually a shit hole cesspool of rubbish coming from turd world countries, legal or illegal. NYC has the money to keep up with maintenance, and has great history but other than that NYC is overrated. you would be surprised that many americans don’t care to live among diverse group of people. you don’t live in NY, your opinion on this matter is suspect. Just because some whites are open minded or do well in life does not always mean they want to be around diverse group of people either. every person and their circumstances are different and how they treat you will vary upon their own experiences. racism thrives more so in mutlicultural societies than non mixed areas.

          • KurodaKun

            Yep. And the MTA drama stories reflect that all too well.

        • Isaac

          In what ways, Korean culture has American influences besides from that lousy K-pop?

          • MeCampbell30

            You mean other than the way the government is structured, the long standing military presence of the US, english used almost everywhere, movies, TV, the fact that many Koreans go to American universities to get an education. Other than that nothing.

    • hongtian

      Why does that matter? The West and all countries should realize how destructive multiculturalism is.

  • bultak23

    She seems kind of racist.

    • RegisterToPost

      Because having your country and culture displaced by wave after wave of immigrants is racism.

      • My country of origin (Greece) is the European dumphole for illegal immigrants. You know who I blame? Our government for bringing them in for cheap labor, grants, fake votes and Europe for sending them back to us instead of their own country if they try to reach other countries in Europe.

        I do not blame the people or their cultures or their right to live wherever they like legally. When you lump multiculturalism together with illegal immigration and cry for the maintaining of ‘our culture’ which cannot be harmed if the people native to it keep it alive then yes, you are racist.

        She has a point and what you say has a point too (about having one’s country suffer the consequences of unorganized and illegal immigration), but her racism shows in the way she presents her opinion and generalizations.

        • Zappa Frank

          actually there’s no immigrant who would like to live in greece.. they just try to pass by, like from italy and spain, to get to north europe.. as result they end up remaining in these countries, basically as prisoniers in some cases.. what they do in italy, greece, and spain is not a cheap job, they are really like slaves sometimes, get no pay, live on streets and are punished if they try to rebel.. so blame also greeks, spanish and italians people, because despite they complain and they feel like victims they are part of this system too.. like koreans people in that case.. the goverment just close an eye on illegal immigration because there are too many native people that find it convenient..
          Another thing is, culture is not something unmovable and that has never and will never change.. the story of humakind is a story of immigrants, humans mix and interbreed when ever there a chance..to try to push back in a national state a protect the so called “own culture” will defenitly fail.. world will be mixed

          • Despite what you might read by people online (the vocal ones are always the extreme ones), a lot of Greeks do not blame immigrants for the situation. And I did speak for myself in my post. But yes, a lot of us react exactly like the Koreans in this case and it’s our own fault and shame as well. It’s easier being in denial and blaming innocent people than blaming those who are at fault but you can do nothing against. And no, voting does not help. Be it because it’s manipulated or because the majority are idiots, one cannot say, but it’s obviously not helping.

            I also agree about culture. It changes, adapts, becomes mixed. It’s life and it’s how things go, but that does not mean we lose our history or identity somehow. We just evolve. The Greeks of today are not Ancient Greeks or even the Greeks of last century, our customs, dances, foods, habits all evolved. Some fascist idiots who want to “purify” the country don’t even realize some of the words they use in their daily lives and foods they eat are of Turkish origin or other. Does that make us less Greek? No and it will never make Koreans less Korean. Maintaining a cultural identity is not threatened by multiculturalism. Being stuck in the past instead of creating your own modern culture is. If you are afraid you will lose yourself if a muslim family moves in next door, that says more about your own insecurities than it does about the effects of multiculturalism.

          • jixiang

            There are a lot of immigrants who do choose to stay in Italy or Spain at least (I don’t know about Greece).
            Unitl a few years ago, Italy and Spain were prosperous nations with jobs to offer. Do you know how many Albanians and Romanians came to Italy seeing it as a land of opportunity? And how many Moroccans came to Spain?
            Sure, some of them did end up working illegally in horrible conditions, but others have thrived, and their children have integrated.

          • Guest

            Oh trust me, I blame us too. Immigrants in Greece are either struggling against even life-threatening racism or then end up as slaves, as you say.

            But that is not because of the majority of the Greek people. It’s because businessmen, companies and the government let that happen.

            A Greek family man with 4 children to feed and no money simply cannot afford to care for immigrant issues so no one pays attention to everything happening behind the scenes until it gets out. Like it recently did with the strawberry plantation incident recently. Illegal immigrants were used as slaves and shot by the owners when they demanded their pay.

            What I am saying is, while regular folk are partially at fault, we’re often just as mistreated and lied to by our own top dogs as well. They keep us scared, oppressed and unable to even make it to the next day, let alone help anyone else. Mind you, people have the internet now, even if it’s too late for non-radical reaction, but older generations had nothing to go by and no one to tell them when things were really going wrong. I hope young people’s interest in politics will rise again, now that they are more capable of keeping informed.

            And as you say, culture changes, countries change. No stopping it and it does not mean we will lose who we are either. We just change form. We can accept that and make those transitions less painful for all involved and get the best out of them or we can keep hitting each other on the head with clubs and acting like we own the ground we stand on or have personally earned our right to decide who is good enough and who isn’t based on things which don’t make a person.

        • your a retard. stfu. greece is being invbaded by aien occupiers from asia. and the indigenous greek people have a right to kick out the invading imperialist settlers. why don’t you go to turkey and convince the turks to let in some ten million africans? why don’t turks accept other cultures? why do turks oppress the kurds? why don’t turks apoligize for the rmenian genocide? the stealing of Europeans and salve market on them by the ottoman empire? and you dare talk badly about the greeks? GTFO! liberal scum.

          • Piff

            no one’s going to take you seriously cause of your first 4 words. obviously you’re a racist. I love how you just call ppl liberal scum and just bashing them but you can’t make a coherent, rational statement in a positive tone. it just sounds like you’re mad and you hate all these ppl who you think are weird but are better at doing your job than you are. Also, none of what you are saying really makes sense to someone who isn’t familiar to the convo. maybe u should explain yourself a little bit better. everything you say is generalization in the worst sense. just blabbing at everyone and anyone

          • Pickle

            Someone like you wouldn’t take him seriously anyways. Why bother with fake politeness?

        • hongtian

          That doesn’t even make sense. If there were many immigrants to Greece, legal or not, they would invariably have a displacing/diluting effect on the local culture. Why is this so hard to understand?

          • It’s not hard. It’s just how societies work. The things that are important to us will be preserved, if we work for that. If something disappears, then not enough people cared about it to preserve it and decided to adopt other things.

            Yes, local culture will be changed, but that does not mean it will disappear or become unrecognizable anymore. The Greeks of today are a far cry from Ancient ones, but it’s how the world works. There is no use living in fear about it, when no one is forcing any individual or family to change their culture or not pass it down to their children.

    • mr.wiener

      But not stupidly so.

  • chucky3176

    The average amount of universal welfare payment paid out to 150,000+ foreign bride families in South Korea last year came to $800 a month. The amount of universal welfare payment for South Korean family is zero. If you have one spouse who is foreign born, you are eligible for the payouts and the free programs regardless of your income level situation and regardless if you really need help. This is incredibly unfair to native born South Koreans, who are being discriminated in their own land by their own government. How can it be possible that South Korean poor who get less help than the multicultural families who may not even need government support?

    As for labor, average wage for manual workers in South Korea is now shifting towards the favor of newcomers. Many factories and businesses won’t hire South Korean born Koreans, instead prefer to hire migrant workers. The demand for migrant workers are so high, that business owners line up outside government offices in crowds to apply to import labor. The government sets quotas of guest workers each year, and the demand and pressure from businesses to increase the quota is very high. The shortage of migrant workers has lead to their wages being increased by at least double. Now, the migrant worker’s wages are quickly outstripping the native South Korean wages.

    I’m with the girl. We’re always told to shut up because we’re racists, when we speak up against these inequities. But let’s examine who are the real racists. The real racists are the Multiculturalists. They support the trade in young foreign women who are married off to Korean men who are at least 20, even 30 years older. It’s just horrible to see these old men approaching my grandpa’s age flashing around their young wives from South East Asia as if they’re trophy. And these marriage agencies… who put earning dollars as the most important thing over ethics, need to be shut down. They’re the reason why so many foreign women who have been abused, and Korean men who have been ripped off and exploited, exist. Some women are married off to criminals, disabled men (nothing wrong with disabled men, but the women aren’t told), mentally disturbed men, and even homeless men. And since all of the women are looking for financial stability and a green card to Korea, many of them just disappear when they arrive in South Korea. The marriage agencies who are just in it for making quick buck, they will do anything to make the marriage happen without even checking people’s background. They need to be dissolved and the marriage brokerage should be illegalized.

    • chucky3176

      EDIT:

      “If you have one spouse who is FOREIGN BORN, you are eligible for the
      payouts and the free programs regardless of your income level situation
      and regardless if you really need help. ”

      should be

      “FOREIGN BRIDE”

    • Kate

      My husband bought me for $5.00 and a happy meal tyvm \( ˚ ▽ ˚ ) /

      • chucky3176

        Obviously you’re not a mail order bride. Your marriage was a legitimate matrimony, far different from these business transactions where SEA and South Asian women are bought and sold. I wasn’t referring to those cases. The Americans and Europeans are not flooding into Korea to work and get married, therefore that’s not where the problem lies. The few who do, usually are either transient temporary visitors, or if they’re a long term stayer, they make positive overall contributions to the economy than negative ones. Furthermore, whites and East Asians tend to make good marriage partnership because the life values of strong education, parental responsibilities, and putting importance on law and order are pretty much similar. It’s everything to do with socio-economic level and the willingness/ability of being able to adjust, and how much you can give back, instead of just taking.

        • dk2020

          buhhhh .. there are way more koreans in the philippines then there are filipinos in korea .. I can relate more to southeast asians than whites from firsthand experience of living in a white dominated society .. koreans need to stop being so fuckin racist and kissing up to white folks because of an inferiority complex.

          • chucky3176

            With one big difference. Those Koreans who are typically business owners who make their income from Korea tourists and students to Philippines, or Korean retirees (like American retirees living in Mexico, taking advantage of cheaper cost of living). They help support the Philippine economy. Can we really say Filipina brides marrying old Korean men, and Filipino 3D workers in Korea are bringing any jobs, investments, or money to Korea, as Koreans do for the Philippines economy? I think not. Again, it all goes back to socio economic benefits.

          • Makoto

            Chucky we don’t need any monkey faced Korean Eunuchs in Japan, Please take them away.

          • Makoto

            Also Chucky do note that Korea developed because of the aid given by US&A/Japan and not because of hard work. Korea doesn’t have any resource. Also remember that your gran parents were once immigrants too you monkey ass.

          • Godzilla

            Japan is was dirtified by gook Koreans. 96% Japan murders, by Koreans. If no Korean then no crime in Japan. Korean rotted race. Hate race. I want to kill Korean with my hands, squeeze neck and stab them.

          • Sillian

            You are wrong. 99.98% to be exact ;) Come at me bro!

          • dk2020

            raugh out roud .. you cray bakayaro .. damn angry japanese not very polite lmao ..

          • TheKorean

            You call free loans and grants as “aid”? More like borrowing money with no interest. Without US direction and the Korean war, Japan would be shit right now.

          • Bill

            Don’t forget, the US was very generous towards the defeated war mongering Japanese nation after August, 1945. Japan itself received heavy help from the US, even when they didn’t deserve a cent.

          • dk2020

            Wait .. whats the difference between migrant workers and foreign ESL teachers? They take away jobs from gyopos simply because they are white without any teaching credentials necessary with free housing and flights from the schools. They complain about HIV testing, racism, and how backwards Korea is, yet they don’t contribute to Korean culture for any changes and aren’t willing to get Korean citizenship.

        • Makoto

          Are you Kate’s secret lolipop?

        • artisticvoice

          “Furthermore, whites and East Asians tend to make good marriage partnership because the life values of strong education, parental responsibilities, and putting importance on law and order are pretty much similar”

          Implying that all SEA and South Asian women/people are lacking these qualities? Lol. Just saying, most of the SEA countries don’t have as many cases of student suicide and bullying as in Korea.

      • dk2020

        Hi Kate!~ I hope all is well and the little one is good :)

    • Sillian

      At least it was made compulsory to exchange certified personal information documents about each other.

      http://ywotlr.tistory.com/332

  • These comments were so enjoyable to read.(Well mainly the Korean ones but so are the English ones too) It made me understand different perspectives and outlooks.

  • chucky3176

    I think most people here do not understand the state of immigration in South Korea, when they compare it with the West. It is not the same. The immigration to South Korea is based on two things:

    1. Migrant workers who are given work visa’s under the government’s guest worker program that sets quotas for each Asian countries. Depending on those quotas, Korea imports workers each year from those countries. The workers are typically given 3 to 5 year work permits. And after that time, they must go back to their countries of origin. Typically, they do not, and they become illegals. At the height of migrant worker imports in 2006, South Korea was importing up to 130,000 new guest workers each year. And since these are guest workers who are typically fed and housed by the company with no charge, they mail back all their remaining earning back to their homelands, instead of spending the money in Korea to help the domestic economy.

    2. Foreign brides who are mostly Chinese and South East Asian women who have been brokered in (I say trafficked in) by marriage agencies in South Korea who are out to get quick buck. They have caused more social problems that I can care to remember. This is in reality, a trade in women, and those people who think this is normal, is off their rockers. I blame shows like KBS’s “Love in Asia” as a perfect example of how the Korean media is rationalizing this trade in women.

    So what’s happening is not a normal immigration story where new skilled immigrants are bringing their talent, their assets, and their money to South Korea to help South Korean economy. I wish that was true, and I wouldn’t oppose something like that. But the reality is that South Korea imports the lowest of the skilled, the least educated, and the most desperate immigrants who need tons of help and money to educate and feed them. The better educated and middle class immigrants go elsewhere, they don’t come to Korea. There is something wrong with this. What’s happening in South Korea is not comparable with the West. It’s much more problematic and it will pose a great time bomb for South Korea in the future.

    • Agreed there. Rapid modernization is already an issue in a society otherwise still living in the past. They have modernized the country faster than the people and culture could take it. They were not smoothed into it. Dumping illegal immigrants and human trafficking on it too is not helping things.

      What this girl says is one of the consequences of that. People getting mad at foreigners and not being able to differentiate between types of immigration and multiculturalism.

      Seeing what happened in my own country now, I fear for the future of S. Korea. I really do. Let’s hope people slowly open up and take it someplace better than where their politicians and companies want to take them.

      • MeCampbell30

        That sounds like an excuse. This girl isn’t making an economic argument about job loss. And she isn’t making an argument about the morality of the sex trade. What she is saying is that people not from korea will dilute Korean culture (because it is superior?). What about American influence? Why was that not even mentioned? It’s probably one of the larger influences on Korean culture. Putting some cultures above others (esp as it relates to hate on south east asians) is wrong.

        • I agree and that is why I say such uneducated and badly presented arguments are a result of the fact that Korean society has been pushed to modernization way fast and without a solid plan to ease its people into multiculturalism and modernity. They still have the internet, there are still educated and open-minded people and I would expect more from a young woman, but the fact that people like her exist and in big numbers has its reasons.

    • But if there are so many illegal workers then it just means police and immigration don’t really work well, right?

    • dk2020

      Well if only more Korean men acted like real men and not abusive assholes and stop going through these agencies that would be nice, treated their wives like equals and made sure they would integrate into Korean society, not to say there aren’t any success stories from these marriages .. and how is it bad that migrant workers send money back home? That’s what gyopos have done for generations .. whats done is done, but blaming 2% of the population is pretty weak in my opinion and isn’t even close to what is multicultural compared to other true multicultural countries ..

      • chucky3176

        I’ve never blamed any foreigners for this predicament. It is human nature to want to improve their lives, I would never blame the immigrants for wanting to improve their lives. But what I do blame is the South Korean immigration system, the politicians, and the government who are the ones behind the multicultural push.

        The current pattern is that migrant worker population doubles every five years, and the big final plan to make it 43% by 2050, it is a huge issue facing South Korea.

        Once you go in fully, it’s too late to reverse it later if they don’t work out. This is why it’s very important to discuss these plans and debate the merits, instead of just dismissing people who have concerns, as racists, then try to extinguish any discussions on immigration. My stand is South Korea needs to revamp the immigration policy and should try harder to attract better immigrants who can fit in better, and be a positive influence for the country. But South Korea has had enough of cheap low skill labor who are imported into the country each year. Those low skill labor is not good for the economy because they prevent local companies from raising wages for all, and preventing them from innovating by going up the technological ladder. Instead, these companies are hooked on exploiting cheap labor, and they won’t hire South Koreans. Because these foreign laborers are prevented from bringing in their family into the country, very little is spent on the Korean economy. This is what I propose concretely:

        1) Abolish the current guest worker system

        2) Expand the current permanent resident points system to favor immigrants with higher education, higher income level, and targeted skill sets (for instance, how many nannies do we need, how many computer programmers do we need this year, etc). The preference for migrant workers with Korean language skills and age should also be instituted. So if they want to work in South Korea, they have to contribute to the Korean economy.

        3) Immigrants should be allowed to invite their families into the country. This will ensure that foreign remittance from South Korea to abroad, will be reduced, and stop the bleeding for the domestic economy.

        4) Give preferential immigrants points to cultural factors of predictability for adjustments to Korean society. What I mean by that is that if you’re an ethnic Korean from Russia who can speak Korean, it’s predicted that you’d adjust more easily to Korean society and need less social help, than say, a Cambodian who don’t speak any Korean. The points system should reflect this.

        5) Immigration, like the foreign guest worker system, should have strict quotas for each year.

        6) Finally, multiculturalism should be abolished. Anyone who wants to live in South Korea has to put Korean language, Korean culture, and Korean way of life as the first and the only. Stop pushing the Western ideal that you can have multiple cultures existing side by side, and that it’s racist to promote only Korean language and culture. At the same time, Koreans should learn to accept that people who don’t look like traditional Koreans, can become naturalized Koreans who should be treated with equality. There should be a social contract signed between Korean people/government and new immigrants regarding this.

        • I agree with you on most but the last one. If a person was born and grew up in a certain culture, there is no way and there should be no demand for them to change their entire identity for moving abroad. I was a Greek for 19 years and I will always be Greek in my culture, even if my nationality might change. This is not something that can be changed, even if there is a will to do it. Learn the language? Yes. Learn to respect local customs and traditions and even participate in them? Of course. Become educated on local culture and accept it as part of life? Definitely.

          But this Western ideal you speak of will become a global ideal, whether Korea wants to or not. No, a person who spent 20 years as a Cambodian should not be forced to act like a Korean-born person. They should (and only can) maintain their own culture while respecting and taking interest in the Korean one. Multiculturalism is not what causes problems. It’s the lack of a working method in which it exists within a country and the lack of education and upbringing to reap the benefits and avoid the traps of it that causes problems.

          The world is opening up. There’s no turning back. Instead of fighting this and being in denial in hopes it will go away, we could be spending our time educating our children on accepting others and other cultures, improving our immigration policies and plans and finding ways with which many cultures can co-exist with mutual respect to one another. You cannot demand a person denies their roots and heritage just because you don’t feel comfortable facing them or getting used to their existence. Would you like it if Koreans going abroad were forced to give up everything that makes them Korean and asked to act “Western” or get out? Such a thing would not happen here and it shouldn’t. The only people who believe multiculturalism is impossible are those who have not had experience with it from an educated point of view and who are not prepared to work for an improvement.

        • Justin_kBANG

          well well v well put!
          i humbly disagree but v humbly!

        • Jurippe

          It’s a pretty big assumption that the West only attracts skilled labour. There’s plenty of the poor and desperate that flow in to any developed nation.

        • Confused ASEAN

          It’s funny that I kinda agree, even though I’m Khmer. And most of Mainland Asian countries are hostile to multiculturalism, eg Thai forces it’s various group to accept Thai language and customs etc. Cambodia maybe multiethnic but its not multicultural, Vietnamese have been forcing Vietnamization for years. Multiculturalism is a failed product because it stops people from integrating properly into society. But that does not mean there shouldn’t be a government initiative to support assimilation.

        • YOU SOUND LIKE A RASCIST XENOPHOBE KROEAN SUPREMACIST TO ME. Korea is not going back to the monoliphic society it once was. you can either embrace that, or become an outcast for your outdated rascist views.

          • Ill kim

            Did a korean give such a hard taekwondo kick to your head you now suffer from dysgraphia ? Did he steal your girl because he was more educated and richer than you ? Man, I’d be butt hurt too…

        • Ned

          I think those who wants to work in Korea MUST learn Korean to a fluent language, go through culture courses etc… because having MULTIPLE DIFFERENT cultures on top of Korean culture is going to fuck the country.

    • “And since these are guest workers who are typically fed and housed by the company with no charge, they mail back all their remaining earning back to their homelands, instead of spending the money in Korea to help the domestic economy.”
      That’s not looking at the whole picture. A workers from, say, Nepal works here and sends money to Nepal. Someone, either that worker at a later date or a family member, takes that money out in Nepalese currency, not Korean. The bank has Korean currency which someone else in Nepal will buy, either for travel or Korea or to buy Korean goods. The money is spent on Korean goods and services, just in a roundabout way.

    • Pickle

      Immigration is far more problematic in the west then Korea which still retains its sense of self.

    • yah because the west is doing so well with all the third world immgriints from places like mexico and pakistan, coming into our cities and towns. London and Paris are doing jsut great… oh, wait, no their third world helholes! fuck you! you think the story of immgiration in the west is skillwd workers bringing their talnet to the country? okay, YOU take in all the mexcians and pakistanis and Arab workers then! cause we sure as F#ck don’t want those things anywhere near us!

      • Ill kim

        I agree, Mexicans and pakistanis shouldn’t come to your country, I mean just imagine if your Mexican or Indian boss asks you to perform a task that involves you writing even a single coherent, spelling-mistake-free sentence, my gosh, the torture they’ll have to face ! If you are ill don’t go to an immigrant health care provider or an immigrant pharmacist, don’t go to an immigrant grocer or butcher don’t hail a cab driven by an immigrant infact don’t accept any service provided whatsoever by immigrants and live happily in your cave ! Freedom at last !

    • hongtian

      I don’t agree. Most immigrants around the world ARE poor, lowly educated people. Otherwise they wouldn’t be trying to immigrate. Korea currently has the luxury of using the reasons you just did to justify stopping immigration, but if trends continue like the West, your rationales will simply be disregarded and condemned as “racist” and “xenophobic”.

      That is what all Asians need to watch out for.

  • But can it be called multiculturalism when we talk about migrant workers and “mail-order-brides”? Correct me if I am wrong but shouldn’t all those migrant workers to go back home after their contracts are over?
    As for the foreign brides, I guess it’s also has nothing to do with multiculturalism, it’s just a government policy, and as I understand Korean government has started to tighten the rules. I can add that in Malaysia (which is itself multicultural country) such kind of marriage also exist (mostly for Chinese men) but it’s not such a problem simply because Malaysian government do not give PR-status and citizenship so easy.

  • pingu777

    In regards to the opinion where foreigners are taking the 3D jobs that Koreans won’t take:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=768h3Tz4Qik

  • One for all

    Granted she’s a kid and may be a little mis-informed, I wonder what her response would be if she was offered the chance to live in the US/UK/Canada/NZ etc with full legal status.

    • Tomson

      I used to have a Korean girlfriend, but we broke up when I left South Korea because she didn’t want to live in the States, separated away from her parents and friends. I found out the hard way that the myth that they’ll do anything to get the green card, was just that, a myth. A typical young Korean will tell you, it’s nice to visit or study in the west, but not many care to permanently live here. Older Koreans maybe different on the other hand, I don’t know.

      • One for all

        Of course she wouldn’t want to leave Korea. She can live at home, have her meals cooked for her by mom, be given pocket money by dad while earning her own salary (if she’s fortunate enough to have a job). At her young age, she lives in a bubble and leaving said bubble would not be worth the trouble.

        As she gets older, and as the bubble gets smaller/weaker, her yearning to leave Korea will get stronger. Korea (well…Seoul) is a young singleton’s playground….not so much when you approach 30, get married and have children.

        • dk2020

          well isn’t it alot to ask someone to move to another country just over a relationship?

      • Pickle

        If people are comfortable they usually won’t leave their home. Even well off people migrate and not just for monetary reasons. I knew some filipinos who left their homeland to come to the US for a more stable political place. They were well off too. Not so much here though.

    • Pickle

      Maybe not her but she probably thinks Koreans should be able to come to the places you stated in droves as easy as me moving to another state or county.

      • dk2020

        You know there’s an immigration process too right?

        • Pickle

          That’s a cute little cartoon. Someone showed me those and I forgot where they were from so thanks for that. BUT…here’s where my point gets more momentum and unfortunately you will refuse to get and it’s partly provided by your cartoon too. That little Asian girl is born in America and is seen as American. How many little white girls are allowed to be born in Asia? There are millions of Asians in the US alone. How many whites are in all of Asia? The comic strip is outdated in its joke.
          I remember in the comic called Gantz, there’s a white character who only spoke Japanese and the main character was trying to speak English to her. She kept telling him she isn’t a gaijin till he figured she spoke the same tongue he did. But that’s only in the mangas. White people born and accepted in Asian nations doesn’t exist.
          You bring up the immigration process and the comic strip of the ABC girl but most Asians living in the USA aren’t born here and like I said there’s millions here. Pretty fast process to let people live here I’d say. And still all this bitching about racism from white people. But I shouldn’t expect you to see my POV.

          • dk2020

            oh yeah poor white folks experiencing what minorities have experienced in the US .. wait, what?

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpbPcosXO-4

          • Pickle

            Reverse discrimination. What a funny term. Everyone discriminates. The word just been turned into something bad by the media recently.
            What’s my point you ask? Did you read my post? I’m against double standards and hypocrisy. I’m pretty sure you got it but thought ” fuck you, I’m all about me and my people.” then you post something that has nothing to do with my point thinking it would make me look bad but only one sided hypocrites like yourself would think makes sense.

          • Pickle

            You edited your comment I see going by the email notification. Poor white folks can’t experience the discrimination Asians have here because they’re poor and can’t afford a trip to Asia. Even if someone else paid for it they wouldn’t be allowed to live there because they are white. If the immigration process was the same they wouldn’t be able to afford it. You still don’t get it though. Your selfish one sided views permits you to see only what you want.
            Most Asians who come to this country might not be rich but they certainly weren’t poor either. Another myth.
            The wealthier Asians were treating their poorer kinsmen like shit and get all upset they aren’t given a red carpet treatment.

          • dk2020

            damn homie calm yer tits braw lmao .. you’re way too high strung with shit that has nothing to do with you mang ..

          • Pickle

            Don’t worry. If anything it’s just minor venting at worst. If you saw the look on my face, it wouldn’t match the feeling my posts seem to convey.

        • Pickle

          Btw, that down vote wasnt from me.

    • hongtian

      I would gladly leave a Western country if it meant a collective stand against multiculturalism worldwide.

  • bultak23

    Isn’t it interesting how droves of Koreans live and study in our civilized liberal democracies and at the same time reject immigration into Korea. I clearly reveals the racism in present Korean culture. Stop that horseshit.

    • judy

      That’s the failure of the Western democracies, not fault of immigrants. It is up to each nations to control their borders and decide who to admit or not. If the west chose not to do that, then it’s their own fault. Just because the west has failed in this regard, it does not mean others have no right to exercise their right to control their borders. Furthermore, talking about immigrants is different from talking about Asian foreign students who go back to their countries, and who give a lot back to the western economies.

      • Pickle

        Bullshit. Like all people, ALL PEOPLE, no one cares about giving back. It’s just take take take and foreign students are no exception.

        On your earlier point, the governments of western deomockeries have betrayed it’s people. That’s the failure.

    • Sillian

      That sounds…funny. Foreign students are completely irrelevant here. They even pay higher tuitions than local students. And immigration to the west isn’t easy. You need to bring enough money and have to be educated or skilled with some language proficiency to be a permanent resident. The type of immigration we are discussing here is very different. You can try to actually read the discussion and say something relevant.

      • Pickle

        Not in the US. If you come illegally south of the border you will be awarded citizenship when amnesty comes about.

        • Sillian

          Mexicans in the US are not relevant. Maybe you just wanted to say that, not really agreeing with bultak. Bultak tried to point out hypocrisy from Koreans and failed. He tried to say that some Koreans want to tighten immigration into Korea while Koreans can move to the west easily. First, he shouldn’t have even mentioned students who bring and spend money in the country where they live. They are customers and guests. Second, as I said, permanent immigration to the west for Koreans is not easy at all. They have to meet the criteria. It’s no free pass. They are talking about immigrants who cause social costs and burden.

          • Pickle

            Immigration from Korea to the west is easier than the reverse. The numbers say it all.
            The US has far more immigrant problems with social and financial burdens. I don’t really blame them for wanting to curtail it to prevent it from getting worse.

    • Isaac

      Reject immigration?

      The woman mentions illegals and migrant workers.

    • Pickle

      You’re right but it’s not just Asian nations doing that.

  • I hate it when people confuse multi-ethnic and multi-cultural. In my opinion, countries who never had an extended history of large-scale immigration should stay monocultural but multi-ethnic. Countries who already has extended history of large-scale immigration should strive to be both multi-ethnic and multi-cultural.

    I’m pretty sure what Koreans really mean by “multiculturalism” is the former and not the latter, which is good.

    • MeCampbell30

      If that’s the case Korea has already failed at being a monoculture. Are you saying Korean culture has no US influences? Or that it shouldn’t?

      • A culture being influenced by other cultures is NOT multiculturalism. Multiculturalism is the simultaneous existence of two or more dominant and distinguishable cultures within a single unit of society. South Korean culture being heavily influenced by American and modern Japanese culture does not mean South Korea has a “Korean” side, an “American” side, and a “Japanese” side. It’s just “Korean culture” influenced by the latter two.

        • MeCampbell30

          I find that’s often an excuse people use to denigrate one culture while promoting another. The prevalence of Japanese manga, for example, in Korea is merely “influence” on something culturally Korean. But south east asian foreigners marrying into korean families is a refusal to assimilate and “bad” multiculturalism. It’s a double standard.

          When you are dealing with people there are no walls that rigid. One will influence the other and vice versa. The hypocrisy of singling out one culture in particular is striking.

          • That argument doesn’t make sense because you just equated a cultural product (manga) w/ non-Koreans marrying into Korean families (…humans).

            I’m saying that South Korea as a whole has a single dominant culture (Korean) w/o a viable alternative dominant culture – the closest would be the 화교 Chinese-Korean culture, but they’re so in the minority… plus they are not an empowered minority in Korea b/c Park Jung Hee/Chun Doo Hwan oppressed the living shit out of them in the 60s~80s, and they’re still suffering from the aftereffect.

        • Isaac

          “South Korean culture being heavily influenced by American and modern Japanese culture”

          I can see the American influence here which is K-pop and the like. But where is Japanese culture? Kimbap? lol

          I can say the same thing about yakiniku in Japan.

          • K-pop is directly influenced by J-pop, which is directly influenced by American pop music. Vast majority of Korea’s “hip” crowds directly import cultural products (music, movie, TV shows, books, etc.) from Japan. Korean Manhwa is absolutely influenced by Japanese manga. Korean trot is literally imported Japanese enka. 초밥.

            But surprisingly, 김밥 is not a product of influence from Japanese culture.

          • Isaac

            “K-pop is directly influenced by J-pop”

            If that was true, why isn’t both genre any similar apart from being boy/girlbands? Most K-pop songs uses english in their lyrics and are more attuned to choreography. I hardly see this in J-pop.

            “Vast majority of Korea’s “hip” crowds directly import cultural products from Japan.”

            Are you implying Japanese products are sold out in stores over their indigenous products in Korea?

            The only thing “Japanese” I see are enka and kimbap. Japanese manga were offshoot from American comic books.

  • bultak23

    The anti-foreigner pure racist state North Korea has been put plain as an example for the world to see by God and His judgement on it.

    • dk2020

      thanks for all those damn red neon crosses in korea .. hallalujah!

  • PinkBarry

    So – not, in fact, an argument against multiculturalism per se, but a not so ill-conceived rant against elements of South Korea’s immigration policy. I see nothing wrong with this. Plus she’s hot. Why aren’t our anti-immigration protesters cute girls in high heels?

  • Preacher

    Any site that hides English comments under Korean comments, advertisements, and puts up this article… is only speaking the truth. Foreigners are second in this country to the native population that lives here. Our comments aren’t given the opportunity to be acknowledged and even valued. I’m thankful that the argument was sound for most of it (dealing with monetary issues and reverse discrimination-solid points), until it went to the homogeneous spiel, the “let’s keep the country PURE” spiel. And that’s the whole point of it all isn’t it; why multiculturalism is brought up due to this we vs. foreigners division which hasn’t fixed itself over the years of other countries helping Korea? Just be equal in your dealings with foreigners in regards to yourselves. Don’t give special treatment, treat us just the same. If you don’t want to marry us, breed with us, and talk to us, that’s fine. Just be fair. If you have it, we should have it. If we have it, you should have it. No preferential treatment, no exclusion. That’s how you’ll fix the multicultural issue in the country. If you can’t do that, then you deserve to have the problems that you’re having as a nation. It will help you grow into a nation you want to be.

    • Preacher

      I like that the country is trying to come to grips that it IS MULTI-ETHNIC and therefore MULTICULTURAL, however this story and how the site is set up only shows how long…you have…to go. It’s not rocket science or some hard mathematical equation, just treat people as you would like to be treated. Don’t exclude yourself from the mix; if you were black, white, mixed, from this or that country..how would you like to be treated in Korea? If you have a disease, how would you like to be treated in Korea? If you’re gay, how would you like to be treated in Korea? It’s that simple.

    • bultak23

      North Korea is not just physically close to South Korea but they share supremacist views. Culture is an adaptation to a past era. It can and does create new adaptations.

      Come writers and critics
      Who prophesize with your pen
      And keep your eyes wide
      The chance won’t come again
      And don’t speak too soon
      For the wheel’s still in spin
      And there’s no tellin’ who
      That it’s namin’
      For the loser now
      Will be later to win
      For the times they are a-changin’.

      • chucky3176

        Why is it that South Korea is the only country in Asia, going on and on about multiculturalism and the need to become more diverse and the need for accepting massive immigration? Why isn’t China or Japan engaging in similar programs to start incorporating new immigrants into their societies? Why is Korea the only country who must do this, or else it’s racism or it’s racial supremacist? Why is Korea always the only one who is supposedly uniquely racist?

        • dk2020

          Also folks should take into account South Korea is the size of Kentucky and Seoul has 10 million people which is more densely populated than New York City at 8 million ..

          http://www.ifitweremyhome.com/compare/US/KR

        • Preacher

          I feel it’s because they believe they have to be multicultural in order to keep up with everyone else. It’s funny because they are already multicultural but still the majority doesn’t consider itself a mixed group of people. If they can get over that, I feel the worse would be behind them. They don’t have to try to fit in, they are a country! It’s their country, they can do whatever they want to do, but if they feel that doing this will bring kudos, they have to do it. It’s pretty sad actually, all mixed up/don’t know what to do. It’s really, very simple: treat people as how you would like to be treated. It’s not a “Korean specific problem, it’s everyone’s problem in regards to minorities and special interest groups. Korea just talks about it more, Korea has more issues with it on a consistent basis, and all of this is put out on public to see. Just like the US has a problem with Gay marriage and guns, Korea has a problem with looking at people like they would themselves. Not everyone but a lot of people do this and this hurts the little bit of international relations they do get. Remember Japan and China pretty much gets all of the trade due to their geographical location. Korea has to lure in businesses by being fair, and the only way to become fair is to treat people the same.

        • hongtian

          They shouldn’t. Multiculturalism is an awful idea.

          Koreans both overseas and native have bought too much into Western style thinking, which is based more on “compassion” (emotions) than logic.

          Don’t be fooled. Adopting Western thought is not prestigious. Some things are worth copying, some are not.

        • ehmjaybean

          Because Korea has the lowest birth rate in the world and the reality is that the need immigration and multicultural marriages, (which have a slightly higher birth rate,) for the population to grow.

  • Isaac

    Koreans have every right to preserve their culture and identity against the encoachment of foreigners.

    • MeCampbell30

      Culture is dynamic and those that refuse to change will die out.

      • Ned

        Then let them die out but it will take a very long time for it to happen. The amount of effect being multicultural adding new social standards with all these different culture will kill Korea anyway in the first place. The language, the culture and the country.

        • ehmjaybean

          It will NOT take a very long time. Korea has the lowest birth rate in the world. They will be the FIRST culture to die out.

          • Neox

            They will not be the FIRST to die out.
            Having this multicultural will fuck up the country one way or another, crime rates will increase etc…

            Look at this bullshit ESL and the increase of crime rates of foreigners and their retardation. Having more will just be cancer.

    • ehmjaybean

      Don’t worry, Korea really is doing exactly that. Multicultural families are strongly encouraged NOT to use any language other than Korean in the home.

  • Kochigachi

    Looks like every developed countries are having common problems with immigrants and illegal immigrants. Multiculturalism itself is failed long ago.

  • ish

    an American soldier probably shot her down!! LOL

  • Confused ASEAN

    I’m not Korean , but I agree that assimilation is more important then multiculturalism. Any household be they multi/ethnic or same ethnic should have the same privileges, unfair balances will only create chaos. Multiculturalism stops people from assimilating properly. In my country which is run by a very corrupt government certain ethnic groups get more voting rights then native Khmers. Nationalist voice is suppress by our government that if one day when this CPP government falls it will lead to civil unrest. Back to topic, ultimately at the end of the day I agree that people who live or formed families in a country like Korea should adopt its language and customs as their own. And I agree that Jasmine Lee is kinda useless, she should at least as a naturalised Korean promote something for ethnic koreans as well, only concentrating on one side of the issue is not enough. From Phnom Penh resident

    • ehmjaybean

      Multiculturalism is being promoted in Korea to promote acceptance of others into Korean society. Korea is a hierarchical society, which means that people on the lower tiers of the hierarchy get terrible treatment. Asian countries other than Japan and sometimes China are lower in the hierarchy and therefore the children of marriages between Koreans and South East Asians are treated as second class citizens. Since the birth rate is slightly higher in multicultural families and these children are Korean, but face unfair disadvantages due to racism, the promotion of multiculturalism aims to change the perception that they are second class citizens.

      All of the programs for the mothers of these children aim to help them integrate into society, to help their children have better futures and hopefully goods jobs on which they will be taxed, which will support welfare programs for the previous generation, such as national pension, seniors centres etc.

  • Disturbia

    as long as not the muslim immigrants, then everything will be OK. don’t get me wrong, i just tell u reality. look at what is going on in muslim countries. don’t take it to your civilized society.

    • Though I tend to agree about Muslim immigrants, not sure what did you mean by ” look at what is going on in muslim countries”. regarding their behavior in Europe I would say that is the problem of being too tolerant.

      • Candice M

        NEVER ever trust Muslim Immigrants! they will cause PROBLEM to your society, sooner or later. Trust me! I lived among them!

        • Umm…I am Muslim but I do understand that “immigrants matter”. Just thought that probably initial talk was mostly about those from Arabian countries.

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  • It might just be me; but, I’ve noticed that in the west (Europe, North America, Australia etc.) the men tend to be the ones that aren’t afraid of publicly taking politically incorrect and right wing stances. Whereas in the East, it appears only women share this courage. I guess it’s the result of too many “sōshoku-kei” herbivore men.

    • Echo

      Will you stop making such uninformed stupid opinions. You’re making a pathetic embarrassment of yourself. Go to any Japanese right wing rally. It’ll be 100% japanese men screaming for white pigs to go home, and burning korean and chinese flags.

      Buffoon.

      • ?Kiss my @$$ . There was another article a month ago that just showed a small group of women.

        • Echo

          You clearly don’t know shit. What makes you think you have any reason to have an opinion on a topic you have 0 understanding or knowledge of?

          You’re just another degenerate westerner discussing things you shouldn’t be discussing.

          Deal with your own problems.

          • Sillian

            Chris may be wrong but aren’t you being too upset?

          • Lmao. You’re on the wrong website if you’re looking for a place where westerners don’t discuss and form opinions on the current events of Asia.

  • dk2020
    • Sillian

      No, the political opposition to the anti discrimination bill doesn’t have much to do with racism. It is the ruling conservative party that has Lee Jasmine and promotes multicultural or multiethnic Korea.There is a strong campaign against gay rights by politicized Christian groups and right-wing politicians are mainly concerned with more difficulties in marginalizing NK sympathizers.

    • chucky3176

      Pretty much terrible article.

      Here’s another terrible article that attempts to promote multiculturalism.

      http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/culture/2013/05/386_135824.html

      I read this article and almost gagged, particularly these parts:

      1) “Most Vietnamese brides get married to Korean men to
      help the family left behind. If they only had to stay at home to look
      after their children, they tend to feel unhappy with their marriages
      because they don’t earn money to assist their families in Vietnam,” said
      Nguyen Thi Hong Xoan, sociology professor at Vietnam National
      University. He cited the need for grooms to understand the feelings of Vietnamese brides from their point of view.”

      So maybe then they should label the foreign mail order brides as 3D workers. Is it also Korea’s responsibility to support the families of Vietnamese brides? Of course, otherwise it’s racist not to. Give me a break.

      2) “Most centers are still running programs related to
      learning the Korean language, computers, and cultural experiences. Of
      course, these programs are still necessary, but many female immigrants
      want vocational training.”

      So it’s also Korea’s responsibility to give job trainings to foreign 3D workers. Why not just import foreign workers who are already trained?

      3) “Even if they do have such programs, migrant women
      with jobs cannot participate, because those programs are only held on
      weekdays,” she said, citing the ineffectiveness of such programs.”

      So trainings on Mondays to Fridays are no good. So now Korea has to accommodate these trainees on Saturdays and Sundays now?

      4) In addition, many discussed the “cultural immersion”
      issue, in which foreign brides, under the patriarchal Korean social
      system, are forced to adapt to the husbands’ country, and not the other
      way round.

      They are in Korea, no one forced them to live in Korea, and they expect Koreans to pay for all the programs, job trainings, and now on top of that, accommodate them so that they can live like how they lived back home in their countries. Why is it that Koreans have to accommodate them, and not the other way around?

      Just ridiculous.

      • ehmjaybean

        Don’t forget that the children of these multicultural families will be paying the taxes that pay for the social programs to support elderly Koreans in a few years. THAT is why the government is investing in these women.

  • Dave

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/05/15/a-fascinating-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-racially-tolerant-countries/

    A fascinating map of the world’s most and least racially tolerant countries

    Korea isn’t very racially tolerant, even compared to other East Asian countries.

    • TheKorean

      Yes, according to the Eurocentric poll. I find it funny how Australia or Russia is more tolerant than South Korea given the free benefits for foreigners. A good example is the ESL program.

      • Dave

        “The survey asked respondents in more than 80 different countries to identify kinds of people they would not want as neighbors. Some respondents, picking from a list, chose “people of a different race.” The more frequently that people in a given country say they don’t want neighbors from other races, the economists reasoned, the less racially tolerant you could call that society. ”

        This is Eurocentricism? Seems pretty straightforward to me.

        If you can’t dispute the results, discredit the source, I guess.

        • Dave

          Not quite sure why this was down-voted.

          There’s no reason to assume the poll has a European bias just because the results indicate that Koreans are less racially tolerant than most Western countries..

          And even if you want to believe that it is biased, that still doesn’t explain why Koreans are found to be less racially tolerant than other Asian countries, such as China or Japan.

          The poll has a Sinocentric bias as well?

          • Isaac

            To say that China or Japan is more racially tolerant than South Korea is mere exaggeration. With Chinese commies killing innocent Tibetans and anti-Korean protests rising in Japan, I object it.

          • Dave

            Fair enough, but the poll wasn’t focused on institutionalized racism (carried out by the government), nor on demonstrations (which are obviously done by people with strong opinions).

            It asked “Who would you not want as a neighbor?”

            More Koreans surveyed said they would not want a neighbor that was of another race than respondents from other Asian countries.

            So, I concede your point, and I’ll amend my statement:

            The average Korean person is (found to be) less racially tolerant than the average Japanese or Chinese person.

            And it’s not as if Korea was singled out: Hong Kong people ranked the same.

          • Sillian

            You can’t even say it gauges ‘racial tolerance’. Many complications. Read this.

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/05/17/5-insights-on-the-racial-tolerance-and-ethnicity-maps-from-an-ethnic-conflict-professor/

            It was also known that the wording of the question in the Korean questionnaire was a bit misleading.

  • F#CK YOU CHINKS! now you know how us white people feel when you orientals and other people fo coulor INVADE OUR COUNTRIES in the west! how does it feel to have aiens crawling all over your beloved homeland? how does it feel to see them breed like rats and have their kids enrolled in schools with yours? do you enjoy going to restarants and having to stare at their ugly faces as they serve you? do you enjoy haivng to lsiten to them scream about how horrible your coutnry is and how oppressed they are while they continue to occupy it? do you like being taxed to pay for their bnenifits? do you like haivng hords of people around that don’t even speak your languague? do you like being called rascist when you oppose this INVASION! welcome to our wordl! political correctness, the tyranny of lbierlaism, is coming to the orient, whether you like it ro not, and you bitcjh about us militaru occpation? immigrant occupation is far worse than military occupation could ever hope to be! say goodbye your peaceful homogenous society. political correctness is hear to stay. its only going to get worse. your f#cked.

    • Ill kim

      I was going to retaliate but, now I just feel bad and embarrassed for you, how long have you been suffering from dementia? look if you’re in america, you’ve got insurance , medicare , medicaid, SS whatever , they’ve got the best asian doctors in world over there and you’ll be well taken care of….It’s my observation that mostly(not always though) white native americans aren’t racist, ironically it will be an immigrant who’ll be so vitriolic..im looking at you, michelle malkin

    • dk2020

      LOL funny Canuck .. what’s that abooot?

  • rfh

    This girl is 100 % right, you will suffer for not listening to her. I think all Nations should expell the rat faced hook nosed legislators and media owners that promote multi culturalism. It’s not hard to figure out who they are, they are they nation wreckers, the ones with no home who wandered in the desert, Europe is being destroyed by Barbara Lerner Spectre. These hook noses hate a strong Nation and seek to destroy it. Yes people of the world you must expell this parasitical disease from your Nation. It has been done 109 times in 89 countries

  • That’s just funny. To be honest I agree with her. It was really nice to live in Korea and not have to worry about inter racial issues for a year.

  • Saisyet

    An African Muslim has beheaded a British soldier in London yesterday. That’s what multiculturalism can bring.

    • Reality

      Islamic rule…Muslim way…Face it! Poor Europe…

  • deceitisthefuture

    Look people, I have many non-korean friends. I have no problem with non-koreans per se. But I do have a problem with policies backed by “special interest” power groups that are forcing and fixing Korea to become a multicultural, multiracial country just like US, UK, France, and the rest of Europe and Australia. The same strategies that forced those countries to become what they are now, are being used in Korea. The same arguments trying to blackmail and embarrass and shame the Korean people to accept foreigners and refugees are the same tactics that have been used in the past in other countries. Korea prides themselves in being one people, ethnically homogeneous, but the special interests groups use racism and xenophobia as a way to stiff arm Koreans into embarassment and shame that they have no choice but accept the terms of multiculturalism. Look how it has failed miserably in UK, France, Sweden, Ireland, Norway, Netherlands…. riots, bombings, radical muslims, rapes, sex grooming rings, leeching off the welfare system, ethnic ghettos creating crime wave after crime wave…..the problems are endless. Do Koreans really want to become a minority in their own land within the next 50 to 100 years? Why would anyone promote multiculturalism as a way of korean cultural genocide and racial genocide? White British and white French are already on the verge of becoming a minority in their countries within the next half century. New born babies of non-white native Brits, French, are already out numbering them. It’ll only be 1 generation from now until Europeans will be minorities in their own lands, including Americans in America (but America was founded by “immmigrants” so that’s a different case).

    • hongtian

      Well said. Indigenous rights and ethnic self determination for all people. Multiculturalism is just bloodless genocide.

  • Average Joe

    This lady needs to realize the fact that their country is owned by a foreign country (America) whether she likes it or not.

  • hongtian

    Multiculturalism is a terrible idea. None of its justifications hold up in real life.

    People are, and WILL BE tribalistic, xenophobic, racist, etc. The high minded “we’re all humans” nonsense is limited to a very small segment of any population, including immigrant groups. Thus the inevitable consequence of multiculturalism is conflict and balkanization. Wishful thinking and idealism doesn’t change this.

    Besides, there is no moral justification for the mixing, dilution, or outright replacement of someone’s race, ethnic group and culture. Especially not when it isn’t done in equal measure around the world. The result here will simply be a diluted Korea, while the third world countries these immigrants come from retain their identity.

    If ethnic identity is so worthless and to be abolished, I would only participate if it was done equally throughout the world. Until then, I value my identity and don’t want to see it diminished.

  • dk2020

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/05/31/ugly-cheerios-ad-with-mixed-race-family-attacked-by-racist-trolls-youtube-disables-comments-video/

    Not all is well in America either, smh, will it ever be post racial anywhere .. damn, or maybe its just online where people are comfortable spewing out racism and hatred behind a keyboard ..

  • Ned

    GOD I WISH MORE FORUMS OR THERE WAS MORE FORUM LIKE THINGS LIKE THIS. Talking about Korean culture and future of multiculturalism, now here is my take.

    It’s going to fuck Korea up. The language is going to be fucked. The culture will also be fucked.

    I just feel like forcing Koreans or supporting foreigners more to come to Korea and migrate to Korea will cause a shit storm in the future and cause more hate.

    English might be spoken as a main language, the word “Korean” will be fucked, Korea will not be Korea, it could just be a influx of foreigner, it won’t even be Korea anymore.

    If we want multiculturalism then why even start with racial names, we should just all be grouped and be called one race in the first place with all this multiculturalism. It’s not like we’re restricted from going to Korea, the fact that maybe you’ll be outcasted as a foreigner, but if Korea is going to be forced into these type of things with all these mixed cultures and races, Korea won’t be Korea anymore and the culture will change with all these different social standards etc.

    You see different countries having racial conflicts and Korea is one of the countries who loves their own nation, their own people and respect their own people. The multicultural countries UK, US whatever is terrible. Being multicultural will just make racism more of a problem.

    I can most likely 100% guara-fucking-tee it that protests, culture, language and Korea itself will become a HUGEEEEEEE FUCKING MESS if this multiculturalism gets out of hand.

    Or those who wants to work in Korea MUST MUST MUST MUST MUST MUST MUST MUST Learn the god damn language to a fluent level, pass tests, pass culture tests, learn the culture and do all that before they’re able to have the permission.

    The last thing I want to see is Korea dying because of this, Korea becoming a different country full of random mixed foreigners and some Koreans. It’s horrible to even think about it, as a foreigner myself. I’m telling you that even if Korea is left as a own nation, own blooded country, it might or might not die, but making or forcing the country to become more multicultural is going to kill it even faster.

    But I guess we’ll wait and see but I really see the negatives weighing out more than the positives and Korea is safe right now, but if multicultural comes in, oh think again. But I will put my life on it that Korea will have many problems if this happens. Keep it slightly open for others, if they want to work. But they obviously they should see the fact that they will be outcasted or put in the minority if they do.

    Is there any more talks or forums about this topic? I love reading these comments and getting more insight on others opinion. It’s so interesting.

    • Sillian

      What makes you say all these hyperbolic things? What happened in your country?

    • yondae

      That was a hell of a narrow-minded rant. Obviously indicative of someone who doesn’t know how to manage (or live) in a global economy.

      • Ned

        It’s not that fact of how to manage (or live) in a global economy, it’s what is most likely going to happen. Being multicultural doesn’t mean everything is going to be dandy and save Korea.

      • Ned

        Even better, tell me what is up. Tell me your views.

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  • chucky3176

    This site and this article appeared here at Al Jajeera TV discussion. Koreabang appears at 2:30. Multiculturalism, Little Psy controversy, MBC documentary of foreigners, mixed ethnic/race, Mail order brides, racism, etc etc.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj86PBYrP74

    • “The uploader has not made this video available in your country.”

      Darn…

  • HaydenG

    What is the point, The Korean language has become half English. Many Koreans don’t even know words in Korean for things that should seem obvious.
    Ask any Korean under 40 what the Korean word for “stress” is. They will stare at you blankly because they grew up using the English word for it “스트레스”.

    • Sillian

      How is that related to the immigration policy?

      • HaydenG

        This isnt about immigration policy. its about multiculturalism. Multiculturalism has nothing to do with immigration policy. It has to do with whether your country encourages people to integrate (learn and follow the Korean language and culture) or not.

        If you oppose immigration even if immigrants completely integrate and learn the local language and culture then that is called racism.

        • Sillian

          I think Korean media uses the word ‘multiculturalism’ very liberally when in fact they really mean ‘multi-ethnic’ society where people of different ethnic backgrounds are assimilated into the mainstream. One of the main discussion points seems to be about the policies that institutionally support immigrants.

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