• makaveli-killuminati

    im old enough to go to war, but i aint old enough to drink

  • Eddie

    The biggest problem is that the police can’t be everywhere and stop every crime. Thank God I live in America, a land where ordinary citizens can buy guns. Let’s see some back alley thug try to extort my business for money. After I’m done with him, the cops will be picking him up with a sponge.

    • alex

      When guns are widely available, the back alley thug also has access to them… it’s a stalemate that escalates conflict and also makes room for nutters to go on killing spree’s… yeh give thanks for that.

      • Digitalsoju

        Yes, because criminals follow gun laws. If they want really want guns, they’ll find a way to get them anyway. You think Korean gangsters don’t have guns?

    • Reiss

      lolz, haven’t you heard about Walt Wawra, a policeman from Kalamazoo recently? Canadians made so much fun from USA presenting data that said there were 15 murders in 1.1 million Calgary and 14 in his own 75k city???

    • Ruaraidh

      Gun ownership increasing safety is one of the stupidest things I regularly read. If everyone is unarmed, you can still be killed but it’s fairly hard to do and it’s much easier to keep out of arms reach. If everyone has knives you could be killed much faster, but you still need to be within arms reach. If everyone has guns you could be killed very quickly and at a considerable distance.

      The amount of murders that take place in a society is a function of the propensity for violence and the capability of killing in that society. When you increase the level of armament of a society you will increase the capability to kill and hence the number of murders. No one is going to worry too much about whether the person they are about to rob/kill is armed, because first mover advantage with firearms is so much larger than with melee weapons.

      In your case here is how it would realistically work. Someone’s been in a few hours earlier and had a recce of your business, then they come in with a firearm ready and demand all your money. Either you make a fast movement for a weapon and get shot, or you give them the money.

      If it’s a regular extortion and you decide to be ready and waiting, you take first mover advantage and kill the interloper. Then a couple of days later all his gangster friends drive down to your house for a party you didn’t know you were having, and the next day the coppers spend their morning picking your body up with a sponge.

      • Eddie

        I’m sorry but I completely disagree with you. I say this because I was the victim of an attempted home robbery once. Four men broke into my house and tried to make off with my things. They stole money and electronics from my living room and then they started to break down my bedroom door. Luckily I had a pistol in my dresser drawer. I shouted warnings at them and told them I was calling the police, and when they didn’t stop, I fired two rounds through the door and they ran away.

        I have absolutely no doubt that my gun saved my life that day. If guns had been outlawed, I probably would have had to fight 4 robbers with my bare hands or a knife. I most likely would have been murdered in my own house. So you can spout off whatever hypothetical situation you want, but you are wrong. Guns do save lives.

        • Sunshinefiasco

          That’s anecdotal evidence at best and crap at worst. The most likely outcome is that if you’d had no gun you would have been robbed or maybe beaten and robbed. The reason you feel like they would have killed you is because a) it was traumatic, and b) in the US, most criminals have guns. Even if they had actually tried to kill you, it’s a much more uncommon breed of person that’s comfortable getting in someone’s face and stabbing them to death (typically a fairly involved process) versus pulling a trigger a few times from 5-10m away.

    • Stories of butts

      Oh goody, the good ol’ west will return to its Wild West days. We’ll be livin’ the golden age once more.

  • k

    Guns arent going to help…itll just make it that much easier to be gunned down by one of these punks…altho I think these guys r getting away with alot because they arent afraid to make a scene and koreans are frightened of people who r confrontational and loud in public…it seems the owners give in to save face when really they should be louder, meaner, and more threatening to the thug. If 5-6 korean guys gathered on one of these punks, he wont be doing it again.

    • Patrick

      And the police doing the great job they do, would probably confuse those 5-6 to be the gangsters.

    • Reiss

      They don’t have guns… To get the gun you have to know some ‘people’. Namely the real mafia guys around the town. They don’t know them and mafia poeple would simply get rid of them as they’d cause too much problem for them.

  • 참을 수 없는 존재의 가벼움

    Backstreet mobsters are a “cancerous presence” in society. They shaked dwon money from mechants and street vendors working hard from dawn to night.

    Those thugs and goons shoud be mopped out immediately with tougher punishment, if necessary through the enactment of a law stipulating harshier penalizing.

    A slap on thr wrist can cause those brazen offenders to commit another frowning-upon offence after serving their prison term.

    That’s exactly what is behind unwillingness in reporting by those suffering financial damage.

    Thus, the police’s swift establishment of a dedicated team and a hotline deserves applause.

    Kudos to the police!!

  • hun

    I clicked on this because i thought it was about actual mafia’s, and after reading, it has nothing to do with mafia’s. I’m disappoint. It’s just koreans robbing other koreans.

    “But now a new breed of ‘gangster’ is emerging that the police and the media are terming the ‘backstreet mobster’ (golmok jopok). Working alone and threatening citizens and small businesses with violence, the backstreet mobster is increasingly becoming a social problem.”

    Gangsters/mafia/mobsters work together to extort, even then they still protect you from other rivalries. What this article describes is just a thug/mugger/robber.

  • Ian

    “Mr. Noh (59), who has fifty-three previous convictions including blackmail…”

    Here is the real problem. Fifty-three convictions?!!?!? How is he not already in jail for LIFE!? If he’d been locked away, say after the twentieth conviction, I don’t think he’d be out on the street robbing people.

  • 참을 수 없는 존재의 가벼움

    To Hun

    I thinkr yo have misunderstanding about a new breed of gangster.

    This article describe as backstreet mobster a person who has criminal records but not affiliated with a bigger gang group.

    They does not protect traders and stores from rival gangs and just ask traders and restaurateurs of money or free meal by making a threantening fuss, thereby customers around quickly leave the place.
    This is a real disruption to a mom and pop store.

    The owners of stores disgruntingly pay troublemakers some money or give them free meals in a desperate bid not to offend other patrons or for fear of the new ganster’s threat materializing.

    Thus there is a noticeable distinction between habitual misdemeanor offenders and an organized gang that get ready to risk a life in a bloody battle using knives and guns.

    • hun

      Not a new breed of “gang”sters just extorting thugs.
      You can’t compare a bully to an organized crime.
      I was trying to say that the title and usage of words are misleading. You can’t become a “New Korean Mafia” or “gangster” riding solo, which this paragraph clearly states, “Working alone and threatening citizens and small businesses with violence, the backstreet mobster is increasingly becoming a social problem.” This article makes it seem like these new type of thugs are on the same level as gangsters when in reality, they’re just bullies with axes.
      Blown out of proportion.

      So why does this article mention mafia’s,yakuza’s and Kkangpae/Jopok/Geondal again?

      • Beth

        Hun, I see what you mean about the article being seemingly misleading. In fact, when I first came to translate it, I also thought it would be about the mafia in the jopok sense — ie “organised crime”. I mention geondal etc in my introduction because many of our readers may not know anything at all about organised crime in Korea. But the golmok jopok, the “backstreet mobsters,” are generally just people who act alone, and are probably more what we in the West might see as robbers or petty thieves. The interesting thing is, though, as some other commenters have correctly pointed out, is that these golmok jobpok are being perceived along the same lines as gangsters, not only by the media but also by those who commented on the original article. They are a new phenomenon, and I think that the element of fear on the part of people who encounter them for the first time is what makes people liken them to the mafia. That’s why I also included the link to the youtube video with the animation made by Gyeonggi police — they are trying to educate people as a means of empowering them to stand up to these bullies.

  • 참을 수 없는 존재의 가벼움

    To Hun

    You have a point to a degree.
    But the phrase” a new breed of gansters “cab be vindicated. Traditionally-and still valid- the organized gansters have hardly done such a silly thing as making a scene at restaurants in broad daylight as there is presumably a tacit rule saying that organized gansters jockey for dominance of nightlife entertainment. They do not normally interfere small businesses of ordinary people unless there are big stakes because such a disrupting action could put the organization as a whole in danger in a law-enforcing massive operation.

    In addition, categorizing the new variant into a bully is not enough. A bully ususally demands money from passers-by with violent threats on the streets, not in stores and restaurants.

    Thus the new criminals are in the grey area between a bully and a organized ganster, though I think they are closer to the latter;hence a justification of the somewhat eye-cayching phrase.

    • hun

      Let’s say there’s a guy that comes into a store every week to threaten the owner for money and food. Would you call him a gangster or something close to a mafia? No, he’s still a bully but with a weapon, better yet a robber. The reason these type of people aren’t considered mobsters are because they aren’t in an organized syndicate. They have no affiliation to anything or anyone thus bullies/robbers, they’re alone. It isn’t justifiable to even put them on the same latter as they are two completely different groups of people. One extorts,kills and has a blackmarket network, the other steals money and food. The Korean media/article is just exaggerating and over hyping the situation they are currently in when really it’s just a growth rate of bullies/robbers/thugs.
      To compare or mention these mediocre people to real gangsters is asinine.

      • hun

        It’s like comparing street gangs to mafia’s except this “backstreet mobster” is by himself which is even worse.*

  • mr. wiener

    What a bunch of loser wannabes, if they ever really created a public nuisance they’d have to hide from the real gangsters let alone the police. We have shit-heels like this in Taiwan too.

  • 참을 수 없는 존재의 가벼움

    Whether an analogy is persuasive depends on similarities drawn between comparing objects.

    In this case, in terms of intensity of violence or threat and group affiliation, the moeny- or food-extorting guys are closer to a bully or robber as you pointed out.

    However, frequent or regular appearances in certain places and types of their behaviors there place them closer to a new breed of gansters in ordinary Koreans’ mind.

    Although this sounds weird to non-Koreans, many Koreans will certainly see them closer to gansters when asked to place them between two categories.

    This may be attributable to movie scenes where many gansters makeca mess in and around stores.

    And robbers hardly get to places where they once stole things. it is rare to see bullies threaten bistro owners or street vendors here.

  • 참을 수 없는 존재의 가벼움

    Finally, blatancy the new guys show in their threats anf acts far more similar to Korean mafia.

    Thus I think the analogu used here is tenable enough.

  • Cleo

    Give the money the gangster asks for to a desperate immigrant from Dongbei or North Korea to discipline the thug. It would be no different from hiring them to demolish a brick wall, right? If people can hire Mainlanders for very little money to commit acts of violence, why not use that discounted workforce against the thugs themselves.

  • Mirror On the Wall

    Wow not a single Korea bashing comment or generalizations on Koreans. I’m impressed. I thought this would be one of the perfect subjects to see the claims that Koreans are nothing but racist mobster gang criminals or something.

  • Stories of butts

    This just sounds like people robbing people…

  • 참을 수 없는 존재의 가벼움

    Beth

    I am wondering how you, an awesome translator, learn how you learn the Koorean language.

    For me, Koreanbang is a pleasing source where I have been finding ways of thinking of Westerners, in terms of rhetoric in translation and and workings of their minds though I joined the forum not a long ago.

    Thanks to all of Koreabang translators and operators.

  • h3ll

    2 possible scenarios:
    -Real mafia will recruit them ,
    -Real mafia will kill them,because they hate people who pretend to be them.

  • KamenTeacher

    Street Punks and Korean Mafia members are two different story…. Korean Mafia don’t work in back alley…… Korean Mafia has own business, own business turf in Korea and Japan.. Those back alley mobsters in Korea are known to be debt collectors or loan sharks that works for Korean mafias………….

  • Korea21c

    Yes, Korean Mafia does exist. Korean Peninsula and Japan. Main Turf.

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