North Korea Activist Claims Was Tortured by Chinese Authorities

Human rights activist Kim Young-hwan says he was tortured during dentention period in China

From Daum:

‘Tortured during interrogation to name underground organizations’

Kim Young-hwan (49), an activist for human rights in North Korea who was recently released after spending 114 days in China claimed he was tortured during detention period.

Kim held a press conference on the 25th claiming that he was subjected to various physical and other forms of abuse but declined to reveal the details.

Human rights activist tortured

According to sources, Mr. Kim told during a second talk with the [Korean] Consul [in China], Mr. Kim said he was subjected to electrocution by the Chinese security personnel while under detention. He repeated the same account to the National Intelligence Service after arriving back in Seoul.

Mr. Kim reported that he was subjected to ‘every possible torture method imagineable and with severity’. He was subjected to torture during the first 18 days after his arrest on March 28th in Dalian during which he exercised his right to remain silent. He was interrogated for his connection with refugee underground organizations within China.

His colleagues who were detained with him were able to hear the screams during the torture interrogation. But those close to Mr. Kim denied some of the exaggerated claims of torture on media as ‘unfounded and groundless’.

Comments from Daum:

In-HoLee:

In all honesty, I do not believe this guy. He met up with Kim Il Sung after writing that South Korean juche ideology crap and paraded as a First Secretary in South Korea, and had a change of heart once he was ousted from his camp, and now he is going on about human rights in North Korea. Now he wants to be worshipped like Kim Il Sung and Park Chung-hee. He may have changed what he criticizes but he himself has not changed at all.

스펀지밥:

Why are we so readily stooping to China… How could we work abroad knowing that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is so incompetent..

대찬인생:

If we capture a Chinese fishing vessel, we should torture them too

스피드:

Just be glad that you weren’t sent off to North Korea. What makes you think you deserve to hold a press conference? These Jesuslovers are a pain everywhere. Believe in me, not some fictional character.

아날로그소녀:

Quite sensible. We should also electrocute all the Korean Chinese and chinks. We should maximize the pain so as to prevent future crimes.

영구:

We got you out with our tax money so shut the hell up. Going to a Communist country and ranting on about human rights is as stupid as going to an Islamic country and trying to preach about Jesus, don’t try to be so far out.

마그네타:

Hahah, you sucker!! Before you go on about human rights in North Korea, why don’t you go on about the onslaught against democracy by Japanese lapdogs you twat.

아루민:

Regardless of whether Kim Young-hwan did right or wrong, this calls for war. If this happened to an American or Japanese, would they have suffered the same?

화강:

I am so saddened by this but you should have expected that much when you decided to go to a country with a different regime;; I hope you don’t cause an international dispute because of what you did. There are others who work beyond the reach of the helping hands of the Korean government. They suffer quietly and sacrifice their time and energy for their causes.

xx작은악마xx:

From now on, we should treat chinks as sub-human. Ignore human rights.

달고나:

If you spied on another country, just be glad you did not get executed.

옴옴옴:

This guy totally deserves it.

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  • 바나나

    yea those chinks
    stay classy korea

    • Yiyi

      Well, China has been using racial slur against Korea since day one, so the racism and hatred between China and South Korea is expected. And I’m Chinese btw, so I know the racial slur of China have been using against Koreans, pricks/dicks (sticks). It’s a racial slur, like Chinks for Korean.

  • Ruaraidh

    Not really surprising that the Chinese would do this. According to the UNHCR they send Koreans in their thousands back to the north to face punishment and prison camps.

    I’m sort of surprised at how many unsympathetic comments there seem to be, I guess it’s a polarising issue, whether you hate the chinks, the chosonjok or the gaedok more.

  • Matt

    Today I learned 1.3 billion people are responsible for the actions of a few government officials.

    • Steve

      It not the 1.3 billion people it the government of the 1.3 billion people and be careful of what you say.

      • Matt

        Not quite sure what you’re trying to say. The point is, this is an issue regarding the certain officials within the CCP, not “chinks” (not the least of all, all the “chinks” living in Taiwan, Hong Kong, etc.).

      • lonetrey

        I think it was good old fashion sarcasm. -_-

  • Chucky3176

    Why does Chinasmack translate the Chinese slurs against Koreans as “bangzi”.

    But Koreabang translates the Korean slurs against Chinese as “chinks”? Korean slurs against Chinese is “jjangkke”.

    Before someone will predictably say “bangzi” is not really a slur, and it’s just means “sticks”, well same thing with the word “jjangkke”, which basically means jjajangmyun (noodles in blackbean sauce) sellers.

    • Hi Chucky! You’ve been chatty recently! Do you sleep?

      I’m not sure who’s going to “predictably say ‘bangzi’ is not really a slur”? Of course it’s an ethnic slur, which is why chinaSMACK describes it as such.

      Thing is, “jjangke”, like “jjajangmyun”, is a bit of a mouthful, especially if it’s those sticky noodles. That and Korean romanisation is a bit inconsistent (or rather, lots of different versions of it together make it a bit confusing for people). We therefore choose to simply replace the common Korean ethnic slur with its common English equivalent. We might not be consistent in doing this ourselves but, for the most part, it’s up to the translator.

      I can’t really think of an equally politically incorrect and horrible term for Korean people either that chinaSMACK could use that isn’t “gook” but that would be pretty retro and fairly unique to the US.

      • Chris

        By “inconsistent”, you just mean Korean is an ugly language.

        • Erm, no I don’t? But thanks for chipping in.

          • bigwin80

            Jjanke should be translated as “ching chongs” rather than chinks. Jjanke not only references chinese black noodles but also the way Chinese sounds.

            Kinda like how people in the west make fun of the way Chinese sounds by saying ching chong chang chung. Koreans make fun of Chinese by saying stuff like jjanke, jjampong, jjangkolla etc etc.

          • “ching chong” is normally used to mock the way Chinese sounds so “Chinks” is better (well, I say ‘better’) as it’s a proper noun.

      • SFGigantes

        But “chinks” are applied against all or any Asians in America when used to offend Asians by Non-Asians. So “chinks” is a just a terrible poor translation, leave “jjanke” the way it is with provided meaning/description with what Chinasmack has with “bangzi”. With that, then the Chinese readers and others will know the meaning behind “jjanke” and its usage as ethnic slur.

      • Chucky3176

        My point is, this only promotes the current existing ideal that Koreans hate Chinese, when that’s not what’s happening. Hatred is going both ways. To those who do not speak Chinese or Korean, the word “bangzi” doesn’t have the same impact, as much as “chinks” does. When I read the comments at Chinasmack, it seems to me the readers and commentators don’t seem to mind the term ‘bangzi’ from Chinese netizens, possibly because the word itself is unfamiliar to Western readers. On the other hand, the translated term “chinks” seems much more offensive, thus raising stronger condemnation and reactions against Koreans.

        • A lot of you and your fellow nationalists seem to throw the term “chink” around fairly liberally over at Korean Sentry, the Korean nationalist forum.

          • SFGigantes

            Chucky is spot on on this discussion. As for Korean Sentry, it’s just the same few regular posters on that forum all the time,….to say a “lot” is just ludricrous.

          • You have a very low threshold for what’s ludicrous in that case! Anyway, I’ll take both your points into consideration for future articles but I think we’ll probably be leaving it be for now.

          • Chucky3176

            James, the Korean Sentry forum has the same philosophy on racism as this site. While it is true time to time somebody might throw in the chink slur, it’s usually when something China has done that causes anger. But it doesn’t happen that often, please don’t exaggerate.

          • To clarify Chucky, our philosophy on racism is as follows:

            We do not moderate comments on the basis of racism alone. Racism, bigotry, and prejudice are a major part of the internet and human society in general. While many foreign websites prohibit and moderate comments for racism or hate speech, most major Korean news portals and discussion forums do not. This combined with our conscious effort to provide an honest look into the Korean-language internet means we often translate Korean netizen comments and discussion that may include racist sentiments.

            Just as we do not hide racist attitudes among certain Korean netizens, we decided from the beginning we would not hide racist attitudes by individuals commenting on our website. This does not mean we endorse or promote such attitudes, it only means “Korean people and foreigners are not so different after all“.

            We believe we live in a time and increasingly globalized world where racism and bigotry cannot be fought by pretending it doesn’t remain and persist. We also believe those who want better have the responsibility to speak up and speak out.

            We understand many individuals will be uncomfortable with this policy, but we do hope you will understand our reasons.

            Are you suggesting me all the hatred and nationalism on Korea Sentry is actually so you can show the world that you’re equally as hating and nationalist as everyone else? Or is it because you believe other people on those forums should have the responsibility to speak up and speak out against racism from fellow members? Because I don’t see you doing that very often over there! Just struggling to see where you’re coming from.

            The Chinese government does things that I disagree with on a regular basis. There were also aspects of living there that I found frustrating. But I would never, never resort to aggressive and racist rhetoric to express that. China making you angry is never justification for racial slurs that target a whole population of people whom you fundamentally don’t understand.

          • Chucky3176

            James, you’re accusing me of promoting racism over there just because they are Chinese. I resent that accusation. I hate China and what it stands for, and I hate Chinese actions and their logic behind them. That doesn’t mean I hate Chinese because they are Chinese.

          • I’m accusing you of racism, yes. If you can convince me otherwise, I’m all ears.

          • Chucky3176

            First of all, I don’t “throw around the term ‘chink’ liberally”. Second, I don’t have to convince you of anything. I don’t need your approval, and no matter what I say it won’t change anything. So be it.

          • You don’t need my approval, you’re right. I’m just trying to understand why on one hand you claim to separate the Chinese people from their government yet, on the other, call all of them “chinks” when the government does something to anger you. Who cares if you’re liberal with the term or not. Once is enough.

            And, I’m sorry, but you do have to convince me of some things Chucky. Your comments crop up on my website almost every day. Most of the time, you’re trolling people with xenophobic comments. But then more often than not, you’ll make some sound points and offer a perspective that I appreciate. But, at the end of the day, you’re the one standing outside my house and shouting so forgive me if I open the window and ask you to justify yourself every now and then.

          • Chucky3176

            James, go to Korean Sentry and search for where I said “chinks”. Please don’t accuse me of something I’ve not done. I don’t agree with someone saying them, but I do not control what a few commentators may say.

        • Eidolon

          The key difference between Chinasmack, Koreabang, etc. and the KKKoreansentry site that you’re a regular on, chucky, is that the [i]creator and administrator of the site[/i] isn’t a raging racist with a Korean superiority complex and a serious case of butthurt against Chinese, Japanese, white people, etc.

          Like attracts like. When you learn that those who you hang around with define you, chucky, then and only then will you stop digging your own grave on the rest of the internet.

  • Eddie

    HAHAHA love all these Koreans talking tough. When push comes to shove, you all know China could crush Seoul in about 30 minutes.

    • asswiper

      but the retribution would be hell for both sides.

    • jr521960kr

      GFY please. Fuckhead.

    • bigwin80

      China can’t even crush that tiny turd shaped island whos only claim to fame is inventing bubble tea. Your threats are empty.

      Shut up and make my furniture you third world factory laborer.

  • 참을 수 없는 존재의 가벼움

    Power politics, human rights and China
    Beijing will remain silent on human rights abuses in the future and political compromise will be done for this matter in the foreeseable future.

    ————————–

    The alleged torture of a Korean human rights activist provoked the public uproar
    in South Korea. The South Korean government faces a storm of acrimonious criticism for its lukewarm response in protecting its citizen and follop-up measures.

    To better understand the cause of escalating tension between Seoul and Beijing,
    it is important to recognize tht Northeast Asia is still in the cold war.

    China view external humanitarian intervention, however universially tenable its cause is, as destabilizing elements of its domestic order and relations with North Korea.

    Widespread human rights movements could spark the passion of independent-minded ethnic groups into unbridled demonstrations that could evolve into nationwide protests against Chinese local government for its corruption and suppression of its people—a scenario that Beijing see as a nightmare.

    Attempts at protecting North Korean defectors could be a disrupting factor because they would encourage moaning North Korean under the iron-fisted rule to flee from Pyongyang to Beijing—a real threat that will forment the collapse of the budding Pyongyang’s regime, and cause a massive outflow of North Koreans into China. This would be a change in the status quo that is unacceptable for China.

    Not only that, Seoul’s diplomatic policymakers know that any diplomatic friction over issues that China think of as involved with its vital national interests would not be helpful in the resolution of the twenty decade-long North Korean nuclear crisis. They know well that China is playing a pivot role in preventing Pyongyang’s brinkmanship from escalating a disastrous military showdown between countries with vested interests on the issu.

    Therefore, there are few options that Seoul can do in this incidents

    Some might claim that the South Korean government should muster international support for pressure on China for its violations of international law requiring that a third country’s citizen should be treated as equally as the local people.

    However, this claim, however legitimate it sounds to South Koreans, including me, will be refuted by China, saying that the South Korean human rights activist violate its security laws (if quoting China’s terms, “endangering national security”).

    Seoul also can consider referring this dispute to the International Court of Justice (ICJ). But the ICJ has low chances of jurisdiction of this case.

    Therefore, a possible scenario is that a political compromise will be reached between Seoul and Beijing. In the compromise, Seoul would save its face by getting from China an apology for its inhumane treatment. But China would also demand assurance from Seoul that South Koreans should step back from matters regarding North Korean defectors—–a request that Seoul would find it hard to meet because it has no legal grounds to restrict South Korean human rights activists.

    This incident and a possible compromise reveal that Seoul might have to learn to endure an unsatisfactory reality of compromise between national interests and human rights, untill the end of the cold war in Northeast Asia though it will be hard to bring to an end in the foreseeable future.

  • 참을 수 없는 존재의 가벼움

    Jr521960kr

    의견이 다르면 논리적으로 따져
    어디서 못배워먹은 놈이 굴어들어와서는
    한다는 소리가 욕 밖에 없어 쯧쯧!
    이가 세상이 어떻게 돌아가는 건지..

  • 참을 수 없는 존재의 가벼움

    Realists in international relations say that it is crucial to draw a distinction between the possible and the desirable in exercising power and achieving the planned goal.

    Blinded by emotional impulses, shouting angry protests can be the thing for any man to do.

  • 참을 수 없는 존재의 가벼움

    The unfounded criticism for what I never say is always irritating, and annoying.

    Some who failed to read between the lines of my above article appear to understand that my point is Chinese wrongful torture should be inevitably condoned or tolerated.

    This interpretation is as true as its absurdity and folly.

    As one of Koreans feel infuriated at the inhumane, barbarian treatment of the Korean human rights activist during his detention in Dondang, northeaster region of China, I think that Bejing should offer a sincere apology for its wrongdoings that were committed against him. In addition, Beijing should pledge to Seoul that a repeat of this incident should be prevented.

    The thrust of my article above, however, is that there are, to my disappointment, few options that the South Korean government should seek to get an apology and a sincere pledge.

    After weighing up possible options, I arrived at that conclusion.

    From international law’s perspective, the victimized activist should complete legal proceedings against the Chinese government in the Chinses court systems for its unlawful tortore before the government should initiate state diplomatic protection, which require the nationality principle and the exhaustion of domestic remedy to be finished.

    However, predictably, the Chinsese courts would be unlikely to acknowledge that there was a violation of the Chinese domestic law in this case as they are subversive to the Chinese government.

    Second, from international politics’s viewpoint, there is no alternative but to demand that China should stop its violations of the universially-acknowledged principles on human rights and guarantee the prevention of a simliar recurrence.

    However, there are the slim chance of the demand being accepted by China as
    China approach the rescue of North Korean defectors from its national interests which they deem override the human rights principles.

    Continued toleration of human rights campaign, Beijing thinks, could jeopardize its national security as well as excerbate its alliance relations North Korea.

    Traditionally, China feel vulnerable to popular protests against the government, a shared percention among the leadership that presumably think national unity, a key to a continuing national prosperity, should be maintained, to many people’s deploration, at the expense of human rights when it is necessary.

    In short, South Korea’s protest, whose largest trading country is China, is absolutely legitimate, but there are few ways by which South Korea and its citizens restore its pride and protect human rights of its moaing brethren.

    The quickest way to lift North Koreans out of the autocratic rule in Pyongyang is
    to forge a long-term strategic vision where South Korea should achieve the reunification on the Korean Peninsula, preferably support from Beijing and Washington, both of whom do not want the status quo to be radically changed.

    Bringing North Korea into the outside world is crucial in liberating suppressed North Koreans and paving the way for a thriving reunified Korea.

    For the time being, it is deplorably inevitable for the tension to arise from conflicting national interests on the issues concerning North Korea between Beijing and South Korea.

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  • tim

    I believe he wasn’t tortured at all – just made it all up to produce a scandal.

  • 404 name not found

    “Going to a Communist country and ranting on about human rights is as stupid as going to an Islamic country and trying to preach about Jesus”… mehh not as stupid, we believe in Jesus too ya know.

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