Man Stabs Chinese-Korean Woman in Alley, Netizens Outraged

An alleyway in Singil-dong

An alleyway in Singil-dong, Source

The seemingly random stabbing of a woman on the street in Seoul has provoked strong reaction, not only because of the shocking nature of the crime but also because the victim was an ethnic Chinese-Korean. Headlines featured a statement from the assailant to the police, ‘I wanted to kill somebody,’ and recalled other recent violent crimes with little to no motive.

Although the case involved a Korean citizen as the assailant and an ethnic Chinese-Korean as the victim, discussion online also made reference to the recent concerns about crime committed by Chinese-Koreans. Commenters argued about whether Chinese-Koreans can be called ‘Korean,’ while others skimmed the article and commented assuming the assailant was Chinese, calling for his immediate deportation.

In comments to the media, police said the man’s outstanding debts and his recent breakup with his girlfriend contributed to his state of mind before the attack. Netizens criticized the explanation, saying that the man’s debt was not particularly large or unusual compared to the average person.

From Daum:

‘I wanted to kill somebody…” Woman is stabbed in the street, Assailant arrested for hate crime

At 2:00 a.m. on the morning of August 3 in Singil-dong, Seoul, Mr. Lee (27) followed Mrs. Jang (40) into an alleyway between two homes and stabbed her ten times in the back and thighs. After being alerted by witnesses, police began a manhunt, following eyewitness accounts and the trail of bloodstains left by the assailant, who had also injured his arm while attacking the woman. Thirty minutes after the pursuit started, it ended with the police arresting Lee at his apartment. Area residents called 119 for an ambulance for Jang, who is described as being in critical condition at a nearby hospital. Jang, an ethnic Korean from China who had come to South Korea in August of 2011, had been on her way home after visiting with family in a nearby residence.

In testimony, the criminal stated to police ‘after finishing up my shift at a convenience store I went out and had a bottle of soju on my way home. After drinking a bottle, I thought to myself, ‘I want to kill someone’, and got a weapon. I came upon Mrs. Jang and committed the crime.’ Lee had recently incurred a ₩12 million ($10,635) debt to a moneylender, which led to a breakup with his girlfriend. Police believe that faced with these problems, Lee decided to commit a hate crime.

Comments from Daum:

jiny801:

Now you die.. why? You say you just wanted to kill someone.. If that’s true, then the talk that one out of three people (even in your family) has a mental disease seems to be correct- – ;;

바람인거야:

Crazy bastard

용수애비:

Take that bastard and put him in Oh Won-choon’s room.

수영인:

That young bastard gets ₩10 million in debt and decides to kill someone.. come on, this little prick, if he had lived a little he would know ₩10 million in debt isn’t anything at all.

dmer jk:

These days, who among us doesn’t have ₩10 million in debt… Just taking out a loan for an apartment puts you behind ₩30, 40 million…He isn’t making any sense…there’s no need to use the excuse that he’s a psychopath

☆眠☆:

Don’t call the victim a countryman [note: the literal translation of “ethnic Chinese-Korean” is “Chinese countryman”, the comment is implying that the victim should have been called Chinese]

kim:

Please don’t call Chinese-Koreans our ‘countrymen’

호현:

You were the one who borrowed ₩12 million… Of course you have to pay back the money (if it is hard to do so immediately then you do so slowly), So your girlfriend wants to break up.. well, you won’t be feeling good but there’s more than one girl in the world and things would have been fine if you had just thought about the next one.. What’s the problem.? But after you drink.. So naïve that you think you can justify anything you do.. I think maybe you need to reflect on what you’ve done for the rest of your days…

얼핏현아:

Have you seen this crazy bastard.. give him the death sentence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!a real psychopath

산과물과바람처럼:

Please remove those kinds of bastards forever from this world
Hate crimes are a really serious social problem
Give him strong punishment

생각있는나라:

This guy is mentally ill. He can’t be allowed to walk around with the rest of us

햇살듬뿍:

Ah, so it was a Chinese-Korean who was the victim…

rlatlsskatns54:

Where did he spend this ₩12 million??????? You’ve got to spend your money smartly, if you borrow more than you can handle and spend it all then how can you ask for something from others????? Nothing but a rat bastard, you’ve got to take responsibility for what you did. You wish somebody else did things for you but how can you pay back someone else’s money?

샤univ:

Please call Chinese-Koreans just “Chinese.” They are not our countrymen. Would you call someone a countryman who only calls you the same when you are making money? He runs through his cash and then wants to get rid of his debt. This wicked piece of human garbage then goes out to kill one of our country’s fragile women.
We should now refuse entry to these Chinese-Koreans without any roots.
There’s no need for us to take care of the garbage that can’t be handled inside of China.

쩐의전쟁:

Hey reporter, write your article correctly… these aren’t Chinese countrymen but Chinese people…all right

Comments from Segye Ilbo:

부평초:

It happened because our country forgives anything you do while you’re drunk

괭갈:

Willing to kill anyone but the person he finally chooses is a woman walking home alone

슈프림피자:

A country that seems to be getting more and more diseases as time goes on. The future looks dark…

어허야:

A 90% chance that he was a supporter of the Democractic United Party, a 10% chance that he was part of the Unified Progressive Party

Jasonoh:

These days our country is filled with rage, hatred, and criticism..

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  • Waiting

    Space reserved for Chucky to come in, and some how turn this into “Korean man protecting himself from a dirty Chinese woman, its only’s self defense”

    • Brett Sanbon

      While often eccentric and always nationalistic, I highly doubt that chucky would justify that idiot’s actions…. although, not too long ago there was a Korean-American on these boards who would argue “if Korea banned all foreigners than she would never have been stabbed in the first place.”

    • chucky3176

      No such thing from me. I have always spoken out against soft kid treatment on crimes no matter who committed them. You’re just blinded by your own prejudice and or have not read any of my comments, but you’re just presuming.

      • Waiting

        If it was just me making that comment towards you, than yes, maybe I’m presuming, but there are at least 3-4 other people. There is some truth.

  • k

    lol yup waiting on Chucky to justify the Korean guy’s actions. Cant wait to see the logic.

    • austin

      She was Chinese, so she obviously deserved it, duh

    • mr. wiener

      Awww, I dunno about that. He is long winded and has a chip on his shoulder, but I doubt he’d defend this ijit.
      [sits back in anticipation of Chucky defending this ijit]

    • chucky3176

      k and austin, both of you get your heads out of your silly asses. I have never justified any crime by anyone based on race or nationality. A crime is a crime, it should be punished, period. All of you really need to read my comments, I have never made any excuses for crimes by anyone. That woman deserved it? Fuck off. I’m not a cold hearted monster as you guys are trying to misrepresent me.

  • Paul M

    I wonder if normal non-netizen type Koreans would consider Chinese born Korean people as being just plain Korean?

    Unlike the comments above I’m pretty sure Chucky will blame westerners, our evil corrupt society and our decadent culture on this one. He’ll also have an arsenal of links to obscure news articles to show how disgusting we westerners are.

    • chucky3176

      Paul M, show me where I “blame westerners, our evil corrupt society and our decadent culture on this one”. Go ahead, show me.

      As for your question, “normal non-netizen type Koreans would consider Chinese born Korean people as being just plain Korean”. Yes it used to be like that. Many Koreans considered ethnic Koreans from China, as “Joonguk Dongpo”, meaning fellow Koreans from China. But that began to change, when the ethnic Koreans from China THEMSELVES say they are “Chinese”. The polls done in China that says ethnic Koreans in China view themselves Chinese is overwhelming, like 90% who say their mother country is China. Only about 2% view themselves as Korean. These polls were widely reported in South Korea that has lead to hurt and bad feelings by South Koreans towards the Korean Chinese. Another factor, a number of the ethnic Koreans from China hold phony forged papers that says they are ethnic Koreans to fool Korean immigration – those people are probably Han Chinese who want to get the same preferential treatments for Visas.

      • Paul M

        Given your track record on this website I made a little prediction, glad to see I was wrong. But then again, if I had not had said anything would you have gone ahead and made the point?

        I think you also have to blame the sensationalist tabloid media here and strong undercurrents of xenophobia on the way Koreans view ethnic Koreans from China. It’s not just only their fault.

        • Chucky3176

          White Americans twitting racist comment against Japan, after the Woman’s US football team wins over Japan.

          http://www.japanprobe.com/2012/08/10/racist-tweets-after-u-s-soccer-victory-over-japan-japs-pearl-harbor-trending/

          By the same online standards that were set forth here for the Koreans in this forum, can we assume it’s the White racist American media whipping up the hatred? Or is it the case of pure blooded people of white race feeling superiority over the Asians?

          It’s not the same you say?

        • Chucky3176

          No Paul M. Your predictions weren’t based on my track record. It was based on your hostile stereotypical view of Koreans as racist rednecks rampantly lynching and burning foreigners on the streets of Seoul. Be honest now. If you went by my track record, you would have said similar things like Brett Sanbon or mr.weiner. They think I’m weird and don’t agree with all my opinions, but at least they’ve taken the time to at least understand where I’m coming from. You sir, on the other hand, is intellectually lazy. Like many Western foreigners in Korea who write online, you explain everything away with racism (real or imagined). Like i said, pure laziness.

          • I’ve genuinely never seen someone accuse someone else of making generalisations and, in the process, make even more generalisations themselves! Props to you Chucky.

          • Paul M

            Ah Chucky, now this is what I mean. If you took the time to follow some of the links on the article you linked to, you will find that the mainstream media outlets (Fox and International Business Times) outright condemn the remarks made by the American tweeters. Yes, the idiots who tweeted were ignorant racist rednecks, but at least they were publicly condemned BY THE MEDIA for it. This is complete contrast to the nonsense we see in Korea where companies like MBC (recent documentary on the perils of dating foreign men) and NoCut News who regularly publish articles hostile towards foreigners in Korea. We find it is open minded Korean people who leap to our defence against such defamation ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elZilTWDOag&feature=youtu.be ).

            I also don’t disagree with you about how there are some undesirable elements amongst the Chinese-Korean population. However, unlike you, I don’t place sole blame on them for having a tarnished image in Korea. Can you at least admit there is a problem with xenophobia in Korea? Or are you going to blindly insist of labouring under the delusion that Korea is some kind of Utopia?

            And to finish off; you made the remark that I was intellectually lazy like most westerners in Korea. You wouldn’t put up with this kind of remark if it were aimed at Koreans so why fight fire with fire? If you genuinely want to improve our perception of Koreans then lead by example.

          • Chucky3176

            On the contrary, Mr Paul M. Where have I claimed that Korea is an utopia? Gee.. I get constantly accused of saying stuff that I’ve never said, and this has to stop now.

            Of course there is xenophobia in Korea like anywhere, but it’s highly overrated and overplayed. The fact of the matter is, this country is at the crossroads. It has to decide where the future is going to be, mass unfettered immigration or controlled and restricted immigration. Once the motion is set, there is no turning back because it’s too late. People have the right to debate this to determine where they want to be, come ten years. But the Korean government and the media have successfully shut down this debate, saying questioning multiculturalism is ‘xenophobia’ and ‘racism’. A lot of Koreans are seeing the government’s social welfare programs being created and showered for the newcomers, yet South Korean citizens who have lived, worked, and paid their dues to the nation are being left out from these same programs. This is unfair and it’s reverse discrimination. Resentment comes from all the unemployed Koreans who can’t even get manual labors because all the cheap wage workers who are provided free room and board, are favored over the Korean ones who want wages that they can live on and pay rent with. Real wages in Korea hasn’t risen in ten years as cheap wage workers continue to flow in. Fair or not, it’s not unusual to see newcomers getting flack for the hard economic times, it’s nothing new and certainly not unique to the Korean situation.

            Westerners complain of racism in Korea? Well cry me a river. Tell me how many countries will hire tens of thousands of foreigners for just being able to speak their own language and then pay them better wages than what their own nationals get on the average? Westerners in Korea are treated very well in South Korea, especially compared to the guest workers from other parts of Asia. This incessant whining over racism in Korea by Western expats is annoying. The media? I have read the criticisms of Westerners, and yes there’s some hype and xenophobia towards Western English teachers which is unfair. But how does that effect you in real day to day living in South Korea? Short term transient Westerners are short termers, they really don’t figure prominently in Korean perspectives. Trust me, they really don’t. If the Korean media is sensationalist about English teachers, then the Western bloggists are also sensationalist about the Korean media being sensationalist over the English teachers.

            The Asian migrants who are long term stayers, now they are different. The Korean media is much more protective of them, as Koreans are bombarded everyday ad nauseum by stories of ‘multiculturalism’ and how that’s the wave of the new future. Your mistake is taking your ESL teacher grievances and applying them to the experiences of the Asian migrants. You are not even in the same situation, it’s laughable, and someways very offensive. There are no Rosa Parks for English teachers in Korea. You are not the same as Asian migrant workers.

            My suggestion to you is, if you really want to understand the current conflicting feelings between South Korean and Joseonjoks, at least find the sources and get to know why there’s love/hate relationship amongst the two groups of people and what they’re complaining about. Don’t cop out and just chalk it up to racism because you think that’s the answer to everything.

          • lonetrey

            @James: In Chucky’s defense, his display of hypocrisy suits this situation well; it not only validates his points about the incorrectness of Paul’s arguments but also shows Paul what not to do (though Paul may have or may not have already done so already.)
            ============
            In general though, it’s not like Paul knows what’s going on in Chucky’s mind, and vice versa.

            How did this come from a simple out-loud question about the perception of Chinese-born Koreans? =__=

          • Paul M

            Looks like we’re running out a space (and not a bad thing if you ask me).

            @ Lonetrey: From your experience of engaging Chucky in dialogue, where did I go wrong and what advice can you give me?

            @ Chucky: You do not directly claim that Korea is a utopia however your posts imply that you think it is. Take this as an example = I could make the claim that Hollywood and the world’s leading banks are controlled by Jews. While not saying anything openly anti-Semitic it will come across as being so and people will perceive me as being anti-Semitic. Now think about what you write and how it may affect people’s perceptions on who you are and what you believe.

            It is also very clear that you have no idea who I am. It’s quite amusing some of the assumptions you have made about me. Now I’m not going to reveal my identity on a public forum but I will give you these few titbits of information. I’m married to a Korean, I own property in Korea and I’m probably a lot older than you think I am. I have also lived for a number of years in other countries before coming to Korea so I’m able to compare expat life in those countries with expat life here. Now hopefully you won’t be condescending and dismissive of me in future.

            When I complain of xenophobia in Korea I mean against all foreigners including Chinese-Koreans (trying to get back on topic here). So save me your snarky remark about privileged white kid whining about racism. So, can you at least entertain the fact that Korean xenophobia has an effect on how they perceive Chinese-Koreans and not just the fact that some Chinese-Koreans behave badly and tarnish their own reputation. In addition, could it be that Korean attitudes towards Chinese-Koreans have led them to identifying more with China than Korea? (please try and be rational and reasonable about this question).

  • Eddie

    I just love how Koreans scream bloody murder when a Chinese Korean commits any crime, but when one of their own stabs a Chinese Korean woman to death, they choose to focus instead on the guy’s mental state and past debts. Or even worse they focus on the words Chinese Korean and assume that that was the criminal’s race, and not the victim’s.

    The whole Korean sense of racial superiority is really sickening sometimes. And it’s even more hilarious because it’s pretty much unfounded.

    • mr. wiener

      She’s not dead.

    • John

      In the US, if a White person attacks a Black person, it’s considered a hate crime while the reverse is just a crime. How is this fair?

  • SlasherX

    Sigh. I wish race didn’t even come into these awful events. A man stabbed an innocent woman do death in an ally. Awful.
    The fact that some netizens (I hate that word) choose to focus on her nationality is depressing. A human life was snuffed out violently. Who gives a fuck where she was from, she was still human. I guess humanity can’t be happy unless we are categorising people and putting them in little boxes. That person is Chinese not Korean! That person is Korean not American! That person is gay not normal! Ugh. The true problems just get lost in this meaningless labeling.

    • mr. wiener

      Hallo!! Critical condition it said. She’s not dead.

  • TheNoob

    Why is the person’s race even a factor FFS. So what if the victim is Chinese-Korean? it didn’t even mention the victims condition. Is the victim still alive?? Report what is important FFS…Stupid

    • vanity

      It’s not even race or ethnicity. It’s nationality. She was an ethnic Korean from China, but because she’s from a different country, they think she’s trash?
      I wonder if they say the same of Koreans from America. But, then again, people hate on each other for being from a different part of the same country…

      But, that was tangential. I agree with you. Nationality was not even a factor in this. If the guy stabbed her because he wanted to kill someone AND because she is Chinese-Korean, then it makes sense to mention – but it was just a crime of opportunity, the guy couldn’t care less about where she was from, just that she was there and alone.

  • 참을 수 없는 존재의 가벼움

    The mudered enthnic Korean would came here to achieve her own Korean dream, which would make big money bu hard work and diligence, which are exactly lacking in the mentally premature killer.

    Most people are struggling with their lives amid a prolonged economic slump and falling housing prices. Life is always tough. An debt of 10 milliin won and breakup with his girlfriend, a wise decision for her, cannot be excuse for an abyss of his stupidity.

    He should be subject to the maximum punishment available, which quite reasonable for a guy, considering the ineffable torment of the bereaved family.

    • mr. wiener

      She’s not bloody dead I tell you, Why is this starting to remind me of the scene from Monty Python and the Holy Grail?

  • Sleeping Orange

    A murder is just a murder, a victim is just a victim.
    But somehow, ppl just love to generalize with their supposedly meaningful statistics.
    It’s funny how in actual college level (even some high school level) stats courses, the professors always start the course by mocking the stupic statistic reports floating all over the places…

    I am myself a joseonjok. I guess by “statistics”, I’m supposed to hate South Korea, deny being a Korean, and who knows, even commit crimes maybe?
    And then by some other “statistics”, a South Korean must be discriminating against me, and yell at me by saying “Get out of Korea”?

    Why can’t we just stop stereotyping each other? From both side!
    For all the South Koreans saying “Joseonjoks are…” as well as all the Joseonjoks saying “South Koreans are…”
    Seriously….

    “But we are talking about ‘most of… I’ve seen”
    Pshhhhhh…
    Are the ppl you know from a random selection?
    Did you isolated confounding variables?
    Are you sure you have no personal bias?
    How about sample variabilities?
    Wait, what? You only had one sample?
    Then what’s your confidence intervel?
    And what’s your confidence level?
    If you don’t know these, I hope you’re not speculating any relationship from your “sample” to the entire population…

    And dear random newspaper, reports, research of whatsoever…
    Are you even sure your survey questions are well understood?
    Yeah, yeah… I know you’re asking ppl who are fluent in Korean language…
    But have you ever thought about ppl being educated under different political/social systems may interpret the same expression differently?
    And have you ever thought about all the stuff ppl have gone through behind those simple yes or no responses?

    I agree these are not the responsibilities of every regular citizens to understand…
    After all, you can’t require ppl to understand what they haven’t gone through…
    But as a media, and a self-called scientific research, you are responsible for the results you are spreading to the public!

    What’s really sad about the Japanese invasion and the Korean War?
    No doubt, there’s the separated country, all the casualties, separated families and all the stuff that’s written in the history books.
    But that’s not all…
    At least the older generations knows they were separated by war, by politics.
    But the newer generations, being educated under different systems, are volunteeringly seperating themselves…
    Instead of understanding the real cause underneath the conflicts, we’d rather get angry about superficial results and then start to hate each other.
    And who’s the winner of all these??

    • chucky3176

      Koreabang and other forums stereotype and generalize about Koreans all the time. Compare the above translated comments made by Korean internet users, I don’t see anyone justifying the crime against this woman and saying she deserved it. Yet people here are generalizing that South Koreans are happy this Chinese woman was attacked.

      Going away from this subject, yes, there is indeed anti Joseonjoks feelings in South Korea, but that’s due to the over all, anti-China feelings in South Korea. A lot of South Koreans feel they’re treated like automatic ATM machines by Joseonjoks who come and go as they please, taking all the jobs, yet they stay loyal to China, who is South Korea’s enemy. And Joseonjoks buying and selling North Korean refugees in China and their political support for China and North Korea doesn’t help their image in South Korea either. South Koreans feel betrayed by Joseonjoks, and that leads to anti hate feelings.

      • Gaaad!!!

        China is South Korea’s enemy? Geeze, I always thought it was Japan. Or was it the North Koreans…? Whatever… Personally, I tend to make love as much as possible anyways rather than war, especially with da bitchin! Korean ladies.

      • Sleeping Orange

        Yep, I do understand where the anti feelings come from. People rarely just randomly decide to discriminate against a certain group.
        However, a lot of seemingly reasonable observations that people refer to as “the causes” of negative sentiments are results of ignorance and misunderstanding.
        For example the ATM feeling, it is quite easy to notice a lot of joseonjoks just earn money in South Korea and go back to China. But what people don’t know, is that a lot of joseonjoks, especially the unskilled labor sector which actually represents a large portion of the joseonjoks in Korea, are on non-renewable or “limited renewability” visas. In the long run, you get multiple waves of joseonjoks going and leaving the country. But if you just group these people all together without realizing they are different individuals across time, then you get the impression of joseonjoks coming back and forth, just as if they were withdrawing cash from an ATM machine.
        And of course, the “South Koreans discriminate against Korean-Chinese” type of feelings have their own share of ignorance as well. For a lot of the so called 3D workers, their reference point of South Korea lies on the few people they meet everyday during work, INCLUDING THEIR BOSS. But then their reference point of China often goes to the poor village they have lived. Without understanding how economic status can play a role in human psychology, they just associate discrimination to difference in nationality.
        As of the issue about North Korean refugees and other political opinions, those are even more complicated than stereotypes and misunderstandings…
        I don’t want to elaborate too much on politics, but I’d like to point out that certain policies regarding the Korea and Koreans, although they do influence individuals’ belief, are not even set by Koreans.

        And just to make sure… All the pronouns above are NOT referring to any group as a WHOLE.

        • Gaaad!!!

          Funny thing is, I’ve seen this trend before vis a vis the HK Chinese towards mainland Chinese in the 80’s and 90’s or any other immigrant goups, Asian, European etc. First it was bemusement and/or mockery from the HK Chinese towards their mainland “cousins”, then resentment as some mainland Chinese try to “leverage” the family connections for whatever personal or business benefit, which is frankly not very different from how some South Koreans “leveraging” the same vis a vis their American “Korean” relatives over the years.

          But guess what, now many HK Chinese are now again feeling insecure and envious of the richer mainland Chinese who go to HK for shopping/holidays and increased competition for all sorts. So in a few years time maybe the same South Korean’s like our dear friend Chucky but with an expanding waistline and a few white hair, will again bitch that these uppity and uncouth nouveau riche “Joseonjoks” are show offs and rubbing everybody’s faces in it.

          Now wouldn’t that be just ironic.

          • chucky3176

            I doubt South Koreans will ever be envious of rich noveu rich Josonjoks from China, simply because #1, China will not let that happen (develop the north eastern China where most Joseonjoks live). The Chinese government has deliberately left that part of the region of China, out of the development area to control the ethnic Korean population. And #2 – by that time rolls around, most of the ethnic Koreans from China would have moved into South Korea and have become South Korean citizens, as Joseonjoks are rapidly absorbed into mainland Chinese, or they are moving to South Korea. In few decades, there won’t be much left of the Joseonjok identity in China. There are already 750,000 ethnic Koreans living in South Korea, that’s almost half the official population of Korean ethnic minority in China. With the introduction of F4 Visa for them, the rush out of China is already on.

          • Gaaad!!!

            Whatever mon itsy, bitsy, mucky Chucky… pat, pat, now run along and go find yourself a “bride” to play with, but do remember to clean “it” after each use. Attaboy!

        • chucky3176

          Good post. Which is unusual to see here where it’s predominated by knee jerk reactions and racist generalizations about Koreans often seen here regarding a much more complicated problem. I agree with you regarding the transitory nature of the VISA’s for the Joseonjoks. But I do not agree with you that it’s “non-renewable” for Joseonjoks. They can go back to China and reapply for the VISA’s, and there have been many cases where they have successfully came back. Second point – beginning of this spring, South Korea is allowing F4 Visa’s to all qualified ethnic Koreans from China who can prove they are ethnic Koreans. The category of people who qualify has been expanded vastly to not just professional workers, but also to certain manual workers.

          Regarding how Joseonjoks think they are discriminated based on limited reference point, I completely agree with you. Over 50% of Joseonjoks say they have been discriminated in South Korea. But only 25% of South East Asians say the have been discriminated. This is huge gap. If discrimination was really a big problem, you would think that it should be the other way around, since it’s much more easier to distinguish South East Asians than the Joseonjoks.

          Another problem is that Joseonjoks are anti-South Korean, anti-American, and have pretty strong opinions that South Korea is a suck up puppet of America, and that South Korea should bow down to the might of China. Since both South Korean and Joseonjoks share a same language, hurtful writings are often shown in each other’s forums. Politically, South Koreans and Joseonjok Chinese nationals just can’t get along because both peoples come from totally different political spectrums. If you think about it, the forefathers of South Korea have fought the forefathers of today’s Joseonjoks (they served in North Korean or Chinese military) during the Korean War. Both sides are not going to agree on many things.

          • You touch on an interesting point, Chucky, that the shared language could lead to more cultural misunderstandings (ie language ≠ culture 100%). Reminds me of the slight differences between British and American English but much larger differences in culture.

          • Sleeping Orange

            I agree that differences in political opinions could often lead to unfavorable feelings among people.
            But politically, Joseonjoks are “in conflict” with each other too.
            I’ve seen pro-PRC joseonjoks as well as pro-SK ones.
            Which group dominates? All I can say is that I’ve seen quite a lot of debates going on among Joseonjoks over political issues.

            As for hurtful writings in the forums… Well, I wish people don’t take them too seriously. Anyone can post in a forum, and some of them are like 15 years old…

      • Chucky:

        Koreabang and other forums stereotype and generalize about Koreans all the time.

        But you just generalised about koreaBANG! 1) Not a forum, 2) Not united in opinion, 3) See #1 and #2 again, 4) Reminded you of this before, not sure how else to explain it… sock puppets?

  • cybercabo

    sheeshhh! just bought some tasty bread from korean pastry store when i read this. ive seen many korean in indonesia lately, theyre well respected here, but have never guessed they were just another ultra-nationalist xenophobic bullshits in their home country!

  • 바나나

    the fucking woman is a human being too

  • Stories of butts

    I guess there will be no witch hunt since hes the countryman and not her, huh?

  • 참을 수 없는 존재의 가벼움

    To Sleeping orange

    I think you also love to make a generalization with piecemeal impressions you have received.

    Not every South Korean has a prejudice against ethnic Korean in China which are seen as a growing presence here.

    Of course, some Koreans make a racist refernece about the Chinese people of Korean origin, revealing how much narrow-minded thet are

    And Korea mass media also wrongly sensationalize incidents involving the Korean Chinese people describing them as having crime-prone proclivity.

    Of course that’s not the case.
    But you have to understand that any society often overeect to the incidents implicating foreigners.

    For example, the LA riot led by disaffected African Americans in the early 1990s launched attack targeting Korean-run stores. This assault was of course attributable to some rude and racist Koreans’ misbehaviors against the black people or mutual misunderstanding stemming from lack of communication as a result of those Koreans’ poor English.

    But this raised fear among the Korean resident in the LA becasue some compatriots tarnished the image of the whole community of the LA Koreans.

    What I want to say here is clear: foreign nationals in a country often undergo unjustifiable discrimninations. But angry responses to those wrongful practices are hardly helpful in polishing the image of the foreign residents as a whole.

    The bottom line is to get interactive with the country where they live by, for example, organizing a representative body which muster unity among foreigners of the same nationality and increase communication with indigenious people.

    why does a foreign national continue to live in a country if he or she keep hating the country with no efforts for increased mutual understanding?

    • Sleeping Orange

      Oh don’t get me wrong. I’m not trying to say that “most or all Koreans prejudice against ethnic Koreans from China”.
      In fact, I personally have never even had any problems with the South Koreans in real life.
      I totally agree that discrimination is only from a portion of the population. And those people are no way representative of the entire nation.
      Also stereotypes really come from the “some people” of both sides. I do hear a number of Korean-Chinese making generalized statements about South Koreans too.
      Maybe I didn’t make myself clear, but the comment I left above is really targeting the “some people” from all groups, and those irresponsible media that tries too hard to make inferences…

  • Ruaraidh

    Has anyone seen the film The Yellow Sea? It’s a pretty cool film about a Joseonjok forced into crime, I always think of it when I see these articles. I’m not suggesting that it’s representative of Chinese Koreans, but it is worth watching for its own sake.

  • Kim Jong-un

    Poor lady, she would have a safe and happy life if she was living in the greatest democratic people’s republic of Korea.

    • Was meaning to ask you Jong-un, where did you buy your wife’s handbag? Because the world’s tabloids would like to know.

  • Zappa Frank

    seems that netizens are more outraged that the victim was called chinese-korean than by the crime itself..some even misunderstood who is the criminal and who is the victim and obviously assumed that the criminal was the chinese (chinese-korean)..

    like this:

    “Please call Chinese-Koreans just “Chinese.” They are not our countrymen. Would you call someone a countryman who only calls you the same when you are making money? He runs through his cash and then wants to get rid of his debt. This wicked piece of human garbage then goes out to kill one of our country’s fragile women.
    We should now refuse entry to these Chinese-Koreans without any roots.
    There’s no need for us to take care of the garbage that can’t be handled inside of China.”

    this is blind nationalism…

    • Zappa Frank

      or maybe was an ironic comment.

    • chucky3176

      That’s not natioanlism. That’s ignorance.

      • Zappa Frank

        ignorance, or lack of atention, is the misunderstanding, but as a freudian lapsus it shows something… nationalism is the refuse to call a chinese with korean citinzenship…chinese-korean and pretend to call him/her chinese.The idea of a “pure” race is by itself nationalist.

        • chucky3176

          Pure race had nothing to do with this, as Koreans from China are ethnically Koreans. The author of the post probably thought the victim was South Korean, and the criminal a Chinese Korean – and he flipped out thinking that this another Suwon human butcher case. Anti-Josenjok feelings does not equal pure blood theory often peddled by Western expats in South Korea who uses that reasoning as a copy out to explain everything that they don’t understand.

          • runningduckyliciousrub

            thank you chucky, for your pro-south korean inclinated views.. but i think zappa franks point deserves more attention. The race issue seems to be getting more attention than the crime itself.

      • kim

        is there a difference?

    • kim

      double standards for koreans. they come to america to suck the american tit. but when other foreigners come to korea to suck the smaller korean tit they are enraged.

      but korea is making a lot of money from trading with China these days. So perhaps the joseon jok are justified in coming to korea to make money.

      • vetomon

        What, you don’t know?

        China has the biggest Korean/Chinese community in the world.

        And the Chinese don’t kill them for not being a Han Chinese.

  • Brandon

    I’ve learned to simply ignore whatever Chucky says. He is a moderator of the incredibly racist website:

    http://www.koreansentry.com

    Where all the Korean gyopos go to circlejerk Korean dominance(while subsequently not even living in Korea!). It’s sad that they are representing Korea because they are so full of hate and prejudice. People like that really ruin Korea’s reputation.

    • SFGigantes

      Brandon,

      “Where all the Korean gyopos go to circlejerk Korean dominance(while subsequently not even living in Korea!)”

      I read koreansentry, let me tell you…there are only few regular same posters on that site, you could actually count em with One Hand. For you to say shit like “where all the korean gyopos”, I guess blind pea sized brain of a shitty posters like you are example of what Chucky has been condemning this site about.

    • Chucky3176

      Actually no. I’m not the moderator there. I’m one of the moderators. And as moderators, we’ve had disagreements with the direction of the forum. I welcome any outside viewpoints to the forum and I am open to your criticisms. But unfortunately the owner of the forum don’t agree with me. Nobody represents Korea, and some are gyopos, some are not. Some live in Korea, and some don’t. Just as you can’t generalize about the participants here.

  • Cleo

    So who stabbed who? A Han/Mongolian Hybrid native to Korea stabbed a Han Chinese holding a Korean passport??

    Who gives a fug? A man stabbed a total stranger on the street UNPROVOKED. I expect the Koreans to punish him. Koreans LOVE meting out justice in the form of corporal punishment, right? Smack him around, torture him, throw him atop a pile of knives so he can experience what it feels like to be stabbed.

    • HelmutRegner

      I guess this comment will get much hate…

      • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

        You guessed wrong!

  • lonetrey

    “Commenters argued about whether Chinese-Koreans can be called ‘Korean,’ while others skimmed the article and commented assuming the assailant was Chinese, calling for his immediate deportation.”

    *snort* better get on that, i hear deporting Koreans to their own country is a difficult process.

    • vetomon

      Same problem in China, Afrikan/Chinese want to called Chinese is a silly notion.

      Ever hear Chinese/Brits called a Brit in the UK?

      Indians and blacks or muslims are Brits, but you will never hear a Chinese get called a Brit or an Englishman.

      • Ruaraidh

        You can call chalk cheese, but it doesn’t make it so.

      • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

        Actually the only time Brit is used would be by the media or when describing sport personalities or famous people.

        Out on the street, if you are of Indian or Chinese (or basically non-white background) ethnicities, people will call you by that enthnicity. Black people are a little different as they seem ‘more integrated’ unless they obviously look african or have an accent.

  • runningduckyliciousrub

    oh man this is not good for the chosun jok community

  • AmericanBoy

    I doubt he attacked her because he was looking to kill a Chinese-Korean. She was just unfortunately in the wrong place at the wrong time.

  • lamster

    American soldiers run over 2 Korean children and a year later there was Virginia Tech massacre.
    Chinese-Korean rapes, murders, and chops body parts, and a year later a psycho Korean stabs a Chinese-Korean woman for no reason simply “wanting to kill somebody”
    And I bet both of these Korean killers have gone under psychiatric care brainwashing them to commit these murders.
    Same fucking story!

  • bea

    헐 could you all stop caring for if people are chinese or korean?! a crime has been committed, damnit. korean people are no f*cking way better than any other asian people, and it makes me sick seeing korean (or other asian people, or any ethnics in this world) going on about this and lowering and talking sh*t about other nations. grow up, we’re all humans.

  • williamsheen

    Korean’s really have to get over racism, especially the weird kind where they hate ethnic Koreans from other countries. Chinese, Japanese and Russo-Koreans contributed to Korea’s cause for independence as much or even MORE than Korean-Koreans in some cases. Chinese-Koreans back in China are harbouring North Korean defectors which poses a risk to their own safety, Japanese-Koreans have sacrificed the most in Korea’s long journey and still today they’re getting the pre-civil rights African American treated back in Japan.
    The Great Han people can only be great if it is accepting, open-minded and compassionate!

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