Ilbe Presents: The Uniquely Korean “Kimchi-bitch”

In the latest article, koreaBANG presents a popular explanation from Ilbe of the “Kimchi-bitch” phenomenon and its future in South Korea. One of koreaBANG’s first glossary entries defined the “김치걸/김치년”, and we have followed its connection with Ladygates and the mens’ rights movement in South Korea over the past two years. An Ilbe user has even noticed koreaBANG’s coverage and translated some of your comments into Korean. The latest article presents the most in-depth explanation yet in Ilbe’s unique style.

From Ilbe:

In-depth Analysis of the Kimchi Bitch Phenomenon in Korean Society (1)

I tried to comprehensively analyze the prevalent “Kimchi bitch” phenomenon in Korean society beyond the usual shallow gossip. I’m studying anthropology at my university. There was one last course I had to take before graduation—the anthropology of women. Since my career path was already set and it was the last semester of my undergraduate program, I decided to spend the whole semester researching this interesting topic.

For six months, I read 12 books and collected about 90 news articles about the status of women. Based on that material, I analyzed and wrote a term report about the “Kimchi bitch phenomenon.” My professor complimented it and even asked me to present it in class even though we were in the midst of exams. Let me convert it for Ilbe. I will have to burden you with scrolling but please take your time to read this since I worked very hard on it. I hope female Il-gays also read this objectively. Since it was for submission in a course, I did care about objectivity.

What is the Kimchi bitch?

First of all, I wanted to clearly define the term “Kimchi bitch.” If you criticize Kimchi bitches without clear standards, it may lead to blind pussy-hate. You may even end up bashing everything women do. Therefore, we should clarify the definition and bash only those who meet the criteria.

As humankind evolved, men became more suited to hunting while women became better at taking care of the home and children. Men became better at seeing things in a narrow scope but far while women became better at seeing up close but in a broad manager. Can we mock women for being short-sighted in this way? Traditionally, women preferred and married men with higher income and wealth than themselves. The wife depended on her husband’s income, and her in-laws bought a house and a car for the couple. Yay, how nice!

But what happens in the end? Let’s say the in-laws give the couple a house. The house really belongs not to the couple, but to the in-laws because the couple didn’t pay a single penny for it. The in-laws then have the right to meddle in the couple’s affairs. They wouldn’t be blatantly nosy but the situation isn’t comfortable for the woman. Let’s say she has a baby now. It is fucking costly to raise a kid. Would her husband who makes more money quit his job? No, the wife quits her job and she becomes more subjugated to the will of her husband and in-laws. She loses her own name and identity. She ends up living as someone’s wife or mom for the rest of her life.

Nothing is free in this world. You don’t have to make fun of the women who chase after high-earning men for a quick gain. No need to bash them for being gold-diggers. They have to give up other things in return. They may suffer later to the extent they were obsessed with gold-digging. Anyway, in the past, men had most of the wealth and women paid a price for sharing the wealth with men. Things become more interesting from here.

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Since the mid 2000’s, this type of madness has become more and more common. In fact, I think that TV discussions showcase the Kimchi bitch phenomenon perfectly, as they summarizes the traits of Kimchi bitches.

1. As men have most of the wealth, women marry for wealth.
2. When a man shares his wealth with his wife, the wife takes care of him in return.

This old equation is collapsing. You know what’s funny? Only number 2 is falling to pieces while number 1 still remains as is, fuck, ke ke ke. Women still think they are entitled to marry financially superior men but they neglect their duty to take care of their spouses.

Why would a woman enjoy her entitlement but not do her part??? Because she thinks she herself is a gift to her man, fuck, ke ke ke. “I let you marry me. I let you have sex with me. I give birth to your children.” Ke ke ke. “I’m doing all this for you. Therefore, you ought to share your wealth with me!”, ke ke ke.

You might have experienced this while drinking with women and talking to them about sex. You have totally seen this, ke ke ke. For those women, sex is not something individuals of both genders find pleasure in doing. They consider it to be an altruistic service provided by women for men, ke ke ke. Among women, they frequently say things like “Never let him have sex with you until at least half a year has passed!”, ke ke ke. Thus, I define Kimchi bitches as follows.

One, they enjoy women’s elevated status but still shift their duties to others. And one, they consider themselves to be too precious and special and have an entitlement issue.

In fact, it wasn’t easy to define them as such. I had to ask myself. Am I being too biased because I am a man myself? Would women say something different? Should I acknowledge different gender responsibilities that stem from physical differences? Maybe what I have read so far biased me in the wrong way? And so on.

In order not to fall into the trap of my own bias and logical fallacies, I strolled around the school playground for two hours every day while seriously pondering the issue. Can you fucking believe it? I thought about this for two hours everyday for half a year. It wouldn’t make sense if it weren’t for my academic curiosity and major. And I have finally come to this conclusion after much contemplation and study.

Criticism of the Kimchi bitch phenomenon doesn’t stem from some extreme misogynist feelings. It is a reality that is very prevalent in our society!

Since the Kimchi bitch phenomenon is so prevalent, many men tend to bash women without fair standards. This makes it easy for the opposing side to label such men as blind misogynists. Then, those Kimchi bitches just get another excuse to refuse to see themselves in the mirror and will keep on acting like bitches. I hope you guys set consistent standards and criticize them logically and rationally. That’s why I’m writing this. If you sit down and think carefully, Kimchi bitches exist no matter how you slice it. If you approach the matter logically, Kimchi bitches cannot refute your argument because it is true after all.

Why has this fucking Kimchi bitch phenomenon emerged?

First of all, let’s take a look at the historical context. Like it or not, the Korean economy, education, administration and law systems adopted many elements from Japanese systems. The details differ but the larger structures are very similar. It seems like China is following our path.

Do you want me to talk about Sushi girls who make you guys drop your pants? In 1945, Japan was owned by Cheonjo Country’s [American] nukes and surrendered. The US dissolved Japanese zaibatsus because they thought the zaibatsu’s technology and conservatism could invoke another war. The US also took away Japan’s power to impose taxes. Holy shit, since they lost the power to impose taxes, the Japanese government tried to directly protect their companies. Japan experienced rapid growth through various development plans led by the government. It was similar to what our Original Gaka [Park Chung-hee] did decades later in Korea by setting up POSCO and economic development plans.

To support a rapidly growing economy, Japan needed a large workforce. They made a shit load of babies back then. The generation born at that time is called “Dankai”, which is similar to our baby boom generation. Their economy grew sooooo fucking much and at one point, Mitsubishi was even able to buy the Rockefeller Center and what not… Then the Oil Shock came. Japan overcame it through supporting small car and distribution industries. However, after the Plaza Agreement, they began to flop. That was around the late 80’s. It is similar to our current situation.

Now look. The Dankai generation created the economic boom and when they began retiring, the recession came. And the birth control policy was put in place before then. Male babies were preferred when the Dankai generation was born. It’s like if they had two sons, they didn’t try to have another child but if they had two daughters, they tried to have another child for a chance at a male baby. Those who were born in the 60’s and 70’s in Japan suffered a disgustingly large gender imbalance. Korea also had a birth control policy in the 80’s and 90’s. “Live happily with two kids with no regard for their gender!” You’ve heard of this slogan, right?

From then on, it was heaven for women. Why? Men basically have sexual needs and want to be desired by women. When there are so many men with few women, pussy-sucking becomes so strong. Women can exploit such men for wealth. During the late phase of the bubble economy in Japan, there was something called “Watanabe Fund.” Men were slaving away to make money that went to their wives who then invested that money into the foreign currency market. That was a huge amount of money in the international market. It’s similar to Korean society where husbands usually bring home the bread while wives manage the household’s finances.

Japanese guys started getting frustrated. In the 90’s, some young men began to be like “Fuck women! I won’t get married!” Then came the herbivore men. And then also the hikikomoris who couldn’t get a job in the recession and couldn’t get married, just like Il-gays. Now, can you relate this to why Kimchi bitches are going strong in Korea these days? It’s like we are going through what happened in Japan 10~15 years ago.

Let me briefly go over what happened in China. Deng Xiaoping reformed and opened China up to the world in 1978. China experienced ultrafast growth in the 90s. Since they already had a very large population, they implemented the one-child policy. Their second children couldn’t even get registered as Chinese citizens and sometimes they were sent abroad.

Then what happened? Gender imbalance due to more male babies. You know what’s happening in China right now? Men can’t get married if they don’t own a house. The surge in demand for small houses suitable for newly weds is even distorting the real estate market.

As far as I know, young Chinese women are no better than Kimchi bitches. They could be worse due to their social environment. There was a reality TV show where women openly competed to marry rich guys. It’s a crazy world…

Let’s make something clear at this point. Some Il-gays tend to get a full erection [meaning to get strongly upset or excited, depending on the context] at the claim that Kimchi bitches are on a rampage taking advantage of the gender ratio imbalance. To me, it looks like such guys get pissed off at women acting like “We are precious beings, so serve us well.”

But conversely, you can argue that because there are fewer females, young Korean women can act crazy and stuck up. You can argue that they are really not all that but just because of the current times, they can act like they own the place. They think they are able to date quality guys because they are just as good but that’s not the case. Those bitches wouldn’t even be able to be near guys of such caliber if they were born 10 years ago or 10 years later.

According to what I found from Statistics Korea and newspapers, there is no region in Korea where there are more women than men in the 20-35 age group. Wherever you look, you see more men than women in Korea. No wonder pussy-sucking has become so intense…

Even in your crappy college life, you might have tried to join a student club. Did you find more men or women there? If you go drink, do you see any table where there are like five women and two men? No. What’s chilling is that….there are more men in pubs like that despite the fact that many men hang out in billiard or PC rooms. Moreover, female students stick together in women’s universities and sororities, which makes it even harder for guys to meet girls.

Currently, there are 300,000 more men in their 20s and 30s than women in Korea but in 10 years, it will be 500,000 more. 1 in 5 men won’t be able to find a marriage partner. Getting married was something that everyone used to do…. men will have to suck pussies like crazy so that they don’t fall behind in the competition, right?

Do you watch the dating TV show “Couple”? Did you notice that they always put a few less women than men? Ke ke. That’s a similar context. Female viewers get vicarious satisfaction from watching those men sucking pussies hard, ke ke.

1. “As a woman, I don’t want to be discriminated against.” (Protection of rights)

2.” As a woman, I want special treatment or pussy-sucking.” (Less duty or responsibility)

The demand exceeds the supply so the women’s value is inflated… See? That’s exactly where the concept of the Kimch bitch stems from.

When women are the most annoyed by men?

Female students also answered that they hate hearing insults against women or comments like “Women are supposed to be….” They feel repulsed by comments that stem from sexism or unrealistic machismo. They also feel upset when their date doesn’t walk them home or tells them to pay for dates. While they protest at sexual discrimination, they also get upset when men don’t treat them as “women”. Isn’t this a bit hypocritical? Ji-ae explained, “In my opinion, it is because women in their early or mid 20s haven’t established a consistent value system yet. Honestly, if a man is interested in dating me, I think he should ask me out for a meal and pay for it. That feels like an indication of whether or not he is interested in me.”

Three-line summary up until now:

1. The Kimchi bitch is the young woman in modern Korean society who regards herself too highly and ignores her duties while only advocating her rights.
2. Kimchi bitches do exist. Considerably many at that. Don’t feel guilty when you have to bash them.
3. The severe gender imbalance turned the young women in Korean society crazy.

From Ilbe:

In-depth analysis of the Kimchi bitch phenomenon in Korean society (2)

One of the most common criticisms about my first post was that the gender imbalance is NOT the main cause of the Kimchi bitch phenomenon. I expected such comments. In fact, I spent quite a bit of time thinking about it. Let me explain why I put the gender imbalance problem at the front. The commentators picked reasons like these.

1. Confucian value that men should protect women.
2. Popular media consumed and controlled by women.
3. Victim complex transferred to younger women from women of the traditional older generation.

Of course, these all make sense. A social phenomenon is often due to multiple complex causes, which may not offer a single definite answer. I especially agree with No. 2.

Let’s take a look at it from a historical context. No. 1 and 3 have existed for a long time in history. I even read a whole book about Neo-Confucianism in Joseon. It is generally thought that early Joseon promoted Confucianism while suppressing Buddhism. Confucian values and the victim mentality of traditional women have existed for a long time but the question is why the Kimchi bitch phenomenon emerged only after the mid-2000’s.

Commonwealth countries also went through something similar. You guys all know what happened in New Zealand, right? They are not Confucian and their traditional women had much less of a victim mentality. For three months, I focused on the possible causes in our society. I found it hard to explain why the Kimchi bitch phenomenon is so viral these days without putting the gender ratio into the equation.

And you also might be familiar with China and Japan’s cases. Their gender ratio issue should also be able to explain it well enough.

China’s marriage market: The hypergamous Chinese

A Chinese mother’s 10 requirements for her potential son-in-law

My conclusion is that without using the gender ratio approach, it is hard to explain why women in East Asia have similarly gained so much leverage. Of course, there are many other contributing factors but I’m just talking about what matters fundamentally. I will talk about some other factors so please read this carefully.

Let’s get back to the main discourse. I will explain the situation from an evolutionary, biological and an economic point of view. Let’s take a look at the 1980’s. Korea had a military regime back then. Men practically had a monopoly on economic activities. Since women’s education levels had much improved by then, it was a very abnormal situation, especially compared to our current democratic society. The popular slogan from the birth control policy was “Live happily with two kids with no regard for their gender.” Il-gays over 35 may remember this. However, since men had a monopoly on socioeconomic activities back then, why would they not care about their children’s gender? Having two sons was the best fucking option for them, ke ke ke. Hence, too many male babies were born. I call this a “bubble”.

You know Darwinism, right? When competition gets intense due to an increased group population, inferior traits are eliminated while superior traits survive within the group. That’s the gist of evolution. This isn’t only applicable to biology. It’s also used to explain what happens in the economy, society, civilization, etc. What happened during the 1997 Asian financial crisis? Overextending Korean corporations collapsed as soon as foreign capital was withdrawn. On the other hand, some solid Korean SMEs were able to absorb these companies and grow larger.

Do you often hear that people who got laid off in their 40s open chicken franchises? This stereotype started then. You kow Harim Chicken? They rapidly grew bigger due to all the people who got laid off opening their franchises. During an economic boom, the number of economic entities increases excessively and it eventually creates a bubble. The bubble finally bursts and only the solid ones who survive it grow bigger. This is applicable to our current situation.

Men’s bubble is bursting right now.

Honestly, aren’t you guys fucking struggling? You try hard at all costs not to be part of the bubble. Let’s examine the Korean economy. It is experiencing a crisis. We are trapped in the moderately developed status and if we don’t find new ways to revitalize the economy, we can fall into the long-term recession that Japan has experienced. Just like we competed against Japanese manufacturing industries and achieved rapid growth for two decades, Chinese companies will put our companies in a tough position. The low birth rate and aging population in our country will lead to a diminishing workforce and lower tax revenue. The Korean government is establishing various measures to counter such problems. One of them is the job security policy for women.

Hyeon Oh-seok: “Solving women’s career discontinuity problems is one of the biggest goals of the current government”

Deputy Prime Minister Hyeon Oh-seok is aggressively asserting it these days. He said something similar again in a recent press conference. There are two main problems in the Korean work environment: excessive work hours and a diminishing workforce due to low birth rates. The job security policy for women aims to deal with both problems. They want every woman to work, ke ke ke. There are about 300,000 job openings every year and 5~600,000 students graduate from university every year. Half of them cannot get a full-time job and will have to get a temporary or part-time job. In this situation, they want to forcefully get women employed? In order to do that, they will have to make it hard for men and easy for women. In this context, they strongly oppose the bonus points for men’s military service and create a flextime work policy for women.

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As we have seen, young Korean women rather have advantages in terms of equality of opportunity. But leftists always push the propaganda that women are being discriminated against just because there are few female baby boomers born in the 50s and 60s among the high-ranking officials and CEOs. If there were many females in high positions right now, wouldn’t that be really weird? Should they hire housewives of that generation to be politicians and CEOs? Do you see how flimsy those leftists’ claims are regarding discrimination against women and glass ceilings?

This is the reason why conservatives bash Kimchi bitches so hard. Conservatives advocate equality of opportunity. After that, everyone should freely compete for themselves. While equality of opportunity is already secured, Kimchi bitches whine that they are victims and lefist groups pander to such women. No wonder young conservative males shake their head at them…

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Three-line summary:

1. From an evolutionary and an economic POVs, a bubble was created for men in the past and they are facing a crisis now.
2. As women’s job participation is promoted as a solution for our economic situation, their worth is inflated and their Kimchification is catalyzed. (They think of themselves too highly.)
3. Men do receive reverse-discrimination. Don’t hesitate to call it out. It is not petty but wise.

From Ilbe:

In-depth analysis of the Kimchi bitch phenomenon in Korean society (3)

In fact, I was hesistant to write Part 3 because it will be about how long the Kimchi bitch phenomenon will last and how we should cope with such a society. This is essentially a matter of personal attitudes and future predictions. Nobody really knows what this will develop into. We will begin to see some changes 3 or 4 years from now and making accurate predictions is hard even for the experts. As for the personal attitude, I’m not your parent or senior in life. I may sound a bit out of line.

This post will be mostly about personal beliefs and philosophy. I will comfortably write whatever comes to mind about the issue. Take it with a grain of salt. Just keep in mind that someone could think of it that way. I expect an outpouring of down-votes for this post, ke ke ke. First of all, let’s think about the future. I don’t think this Kimchi bitch trend will last for long.

We have adopted various social systems from the West, often through Japan. The West developed and improved such systems for 500 years. That’s what we commonly call “advanced culture.” The hot topic of women’s rights in our society is also part of the advanced Western system or awareness. When an advanced system is imported, the people who take it should have the right mindset to internalize it. But I don’t think Korean women’s mindset is mature enough. Whenever I see those girls who get bashed for being Kimchi bitches, I feel pity for them rather than being upset.

As I explained in Part 2, this is the best time ever in history for Korean women to enjoy life and succeed on their own merits. This is a transitional period where job security for women is being emphasized while their responsibilities are put aside. There is no time for them to whine about what their boyfriends don’t buy them or that men have become petty. They gotta take this great chance to succeed. However, some women still complain about glass ceilings and what not. They advocate their rights while turning a blind eye to their duties or responsibilities… When they fail, it is not because of themselves but because the society is putting down women and men care too much about women’s looks….etc. All this bullshit… Some gays asked me what they should say when their female friends or family members complain about glass ceilings. Let me give you an answer.

In my opinion, the glass ceiling exists. However, it isn’t invincible. Let’s say there is a glass ceiling due to some men’s bias. What’s important is whether that ceiling is breakable or not. Think about it. Is it made of diamond? Even if there is such a discriminatory ceiling, you can still break it through your personal efforts.

We have had a female President, Prime Minister, ministers, high-ranking officials, corporation CEOs, etc. The glass ceiling is breakable. Discrimination exists everywhere in various forms after all. If you are ugly, short or poor, you have disadvantages in life. If you are shorter than 160 cm and failed to be promoted in your corporate life, would you blame it all on your height? There are plenty of short and successful people. Would you go ask for a quota promotion system for employees shorter than 160 cm? Students in remote areas are less privileged than the students in the 8 academic districts in Gangnam. Let’s say you are attending a no-name college in the countryside. Would you say “Fuck, only if I lived in one of those 8 academic discricts in Gangnam, I would’ve entered Seoul National University. My life was messed up because of my parents who live in this Samcheonpo hick town!”?

It is a common habit for Kimchi bitches to blame it all on others and society. Kimchi bitches can at least blame others for their own failure while men have to own up to it. In fact, there are quite a few women around me reeking of Kimchi bitchness who blame the glass ceiling. Whenever they complain, there is one example I bring up.

That is the current Russian President Vladimir Putin. He has been governing the world’s largest territory for about 20 years including his career as Prime Minister. Last year, Forbes named him the most powerful man in the world. You guys know the Internet meme for Putin’s charisma, right? How tall do you think he is? 170 cm? 180 cm?

A while ago, a female Korea University student said in a handwritten poster that women are being discriminated against and Park Geun-hye was only able to be the President because of her father. What happened to Putin? Russians are even bigger and taller than us on average. Putin managed to spy as a KGB agent in East Germany and has stayed in power for the longest time in Russia, even longer than Stalin. Your size is dictated by your mindset. Men aren’t necessarily big and women aren’t necessarily small. A large physical stature doesn’t necessarily make one big. Putin is the world’s most powerful 165-cm-tall man.

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You see how narrow-minded and one-dimensional that poster girl was? No wonder such women fail more and blame society even more. In Part 2, I explained how leftist traits are linked to Kimchi bitch traits to a degree. The glass ceiling is breakable and many women have destroyed it. In a situation where only half of the new graduates can be hired for full-time positions, if you blame your failure on the glass ceiling, that is too pathetic. Just admit that you are not talented enough.

Wanna talk about career discontinuity problems? I consider the glass ceiling a fucking bullshit excuse but career discontinuity is a real factor that hampers women’s economic participation. However, women tend to bring it on themselves. It’s not something uncontrollable. They can control it through their personal choices.

Have you heard about the ABC rule? They say A-level men marry B-level women and B- level men marry level C women. The level A women and level C men are thus marginalized. Level A women may be Gold Miss professionals while level C men may be farmers or fishermen in the countryside. Women can always marry men who make more money. There are some cases where women are wealthier than men but instead the men are overwhelmingly handsome or highly-educated professionals. If you quantify a person’s stats to give them points, there is almost no possibility for women to get married to men with lower points in modern Korean society.

Let’s say a woman marries a wealthy guy and her in-laws buy a small apartment in Seoul for them. The woman will have to be extra nice to her in-laws. Now she has a baby. It’s very costly to raise a kid. Her husband makes much more money than she does. Who will quit their job to take care of the child? The woman.

And they complain about career discontinuity due to discrimination. They chose that path themselves. If women can be satisfied with men who have a similar level of abilities and looks, they can demand to evenly divide childcare and house work. It’s actually very simple. Most men will be okay with it. Fuck, honestly, most young couples evenly divide childcare and house work even if men make much more money when both work outside the house.

If your family has a dual income, you can afford to have childcare services. Or you can ask your parents or in-laws to take care of your children during the daytime and give them lots of pocket money. In Seocho-gu, the government even gives money to grandparents who take care of their grand children. Independent non-Kimchified women already do what they have to do. Please don’t bullshit about career discontinuity.

You can also look at the career discontinuity issue from a different angle. Poorly educated women with low self-esteem and no skills tend to want to get married, quit their job and focus on childcare and house work as in traditional society. However, the government tells women not to stay at home. This can also put discriminatory pressure on some women, ke ke ke. They just want to stay at home taking care of children instead of getting busy with both work and childcare.

There are many female Ilbe bugs here, right? I want to tell you something. In my first post, I brought up the advantages you guys enjoy because of the imbalanced gender ratio. How long do you think that will last? In fact, it is reasonable to say preference for male babies has completely disappeared since the 2000’s.

Serious problem in domestic adoption: 9 in 10 parents prefer female children. 68% of adopted children are female.

The sex ratio for adopted kids more accurately reflects the gender preference of parents than the sex ratio at birth. The sex ratio at birth in Korea has also returned to a normal ratio. It won’t be long until Korean women’s advantages due to the sex ratio will expire. Then Korean men will be like “We don’t have to suck pussies any more!” I said Korean men are currently facing a harsh situation in this social evolutionary phase. There will come a day when Korean women will have to be judged.

Listen. Investment is usually concentrated in hot industries. Be it the real estate, foreign currency or petrochemical industry. These days a lot of investment goes towards the beauty industry. The most common value with which women represent themselves is physical beauty. Beauty is emphasized so much that women try to invest so much in it. Cosmetic procedures and cosmetics support such efforts. You guys know cosmetic procedures are really popular in Korea, right? The industry is the biggest in the world when it’s divided by GDP. It is estimated that the cosmetic procedure industry in South Korea accounts for a quarter of the total international industry even though South Korea is a small country with 50 million people and has the 15th largest economy, ke ke ke. Because women’s physical attractiveness gives them great advantages in life these days, everyone is trying to invest in it, ke ke. Korea also has the best mid or low cost cosmetics market. Chinese and Japanese tourists buy Korean cosmetics in bulk when they visit Korea. If you go to Myeong-dong or the Ehwa University district, there are tons of cosmetic shops. Even in America, Korean cosmetics and makeup techniques are being introduced. For BB cream, Korean products rule the international market, ke ke.

I told you how women have good opportunities now in Korea. Being a woman can be a very good pedestal. Jump into society using that pedestal. But since that pedestal is too good, there are a lot of young women who only want to hide behind it and be protected. What a retarded trend…

If you ask girls whether they want to get a degree from SNU and gain the corresponding knowledge or have top celebrity-level looks, then almost all of them would choose the latter. Actually my female junior students at SNU said they want to look like one of my friends who resembles a celebrity even if their education had to stop at high school. Insane. Primitive Korean racial passive for lookism.

The Chinese invented gunpowder, one of the three greatest inventions in the world. However, they mainly used it for fireworks. When gunpower was introduced to the West, they created dynamite. As you guys may know, Nobel invented it. The astronomical fortune he gained is still funding Nobel prizes. Korean women in their 20s are like that. They are playing with fireworks when they can make dynamite, missiles or even nukes. Pathetic. Advanced systems can be accepted only by advanced mindsets.

Have you travelled around Asia? Compared to other Asian countries where people look similar to us, you can see pretty women much more frequently in Korea. People from all over Asia come to Korea to get cosmetic work done or buy cosmetics.

The problem is that Korean women’s beauty is inflated but they aren’t exactly all that overall. It is clearly a bubble. Eventually, it becomes harder to stand out for being pretty. There will come the days when sensible and talented women will be more appreciated even if they are less pretty. Then those vanity-ridden women will fall behind. Just like how men had hard times after the bubble burst.

As women focus on womanly traits, they become more expensive. Their appearance becomes their property. If you are an employer, would you hire such women who should be treated with care or guys you can exploit liberally. Companies pursue profits. No serious corporate would want an employee who emphasizes feminity but lacks skills. You think you have difficulties with employment or promotion because of your appearance? That’s bullshit.

Science journalist Mara Hvistendahl did research on East Asia’s dymanic changes in women’s rights. This is what she mentioned about Korea.

[Translation of translation] Modern Korean women temporarily enjoy their elevated status due to the severe gender ratio imbalance. As marriage for men becomes more difficult, parents use more resources to support their sons than their daughters. Considering parental support and marriage is one of the most important factors in life in Korea, I don’t think women’s temporary advantages will last for long.

Now we are finally getting into the last part. This Kimchi bitch trend will eventually go away but in my opinion it will last for at least 4 or 5 more years. It may even last for another decade… Anyway, guys who have to date and marry during this period will be fucking frustrated and upset. I’m also around that age. I wondered how I would survive this tide. I think I have some answers now.

I said good opportunies and advanced systems can be completely wasted if the people who take them fail to internalize them. This also goes for men. Korean guys care fucking too much about women’s appearance, right? It is instinctive but it is also primitive to only act according to your instinct. Societies that went through civil and industrial revolutions hundreds of years ago and had enough time to develop modernity don’t obsessively worship physical beauty like us.

Koreans are also very materialistic. On a JTBC TV show, they were asked what parents they would want to have if they were able to be reborn. Regardless of their political orientation, everyone chose Lee Kun-hee [chairman of Samsung Electronics] or Chung Ju-young [former chairman of Hyundai] at the top. They didn’t choose their current parents within the top 3.

This superficiality subjugates you to Kimchi bitches who are also subjugated to men. Those women think their appearance is their wealth. That’s why they think they are gifts to men.

“I’m this pretty and I let you hang out with me. Are you going to make me pay for the date?” “I’m this pretty and I let you have sex with me. Are you not going to give me presents?” “I’m this pretty and I let you marry me. Are you going to ask me to contribute to buying our house?”

If you date a woman only for her appearance, it’s easy to destroy your soul. Also, women’s beauty depreciates over time. It gradually loses its value but your wealth will increase over time. It’s really stupid to only care about beauty. Try to look at her non-physical qualities. Personality, intelligence, talent…

In fact, I once dated a very pretty girl who was out of my league. But she was dumb and hard to communicate with. People around me thought she looked the best among my ex-girlfriends but dating her was the least fun for me… Couples need to communicate well and emotionally connect. Don’t get a full erection only at women’s appearance.

Change your expectations in your partner. You have to adapt to the times. Women’s worth is so inflated now. If you would’ve been able to meet a girl who is an 8 out of 10 in the past, it’s impossible now. 8s are acting like 10s these days. If the woman is really great, why would her man care about something like dividing dating costs? He will even gladly buy a house for her if he really thinks he can’t live without her. However, these days, you have to do all kinds of pussy-sucking just to meet a mediocre woman. You have to treat her like a queen. When a woman doesn’t want to pay for dates or marriage, she uses this excuse.

“You asked me out first, didn’t you? Why don’t you pay for everything?”

That bullshit… Even if a woman likes a guy first, she doesn’t ask him out first. She tries to lead him to ask her out first. Having a pussy is a privilege these days, ke ke. We might as well call it “Botrix”. [boji meaning pussy in Korean + Matrix as in the movie] And then she will be like “Show me how much you love me since you first asked me out!”, ke ke.

Some women around you say marriage is disadvantageous to women, right? That’s bullshit, ke ke ke. What they really mean is that it is unfortunate for women to settle when they could aim for better partners, ke ke. There may be no other democratic industrialized country where women are still obsessed with marriage.

When you date or get married, you gotta give in many things. Don’t be clingy. You know how women try to have the upper hand in a relationship? They say “Let’s break up” more easily than men. Men should change their perspective for dating or marriage. Men should be able to instantly nod when their women say “Let’s break up.”

Women try to play push-and-pull. When your woman pulls you, be pulled towards her but if she pushes you, let yourself be pushed away. Learn to cherish yourself. What if all your women just leave you? Men have to give in for dating or marriage anyway. Stay cool. It’s good if you can eventually work it out with a woman but if not, that’s no problem, too. Give up the perception that a man should have a woman on his arm to not look like a loser. That perception has also been promoted by women.

In a marriage, men are more inclined to want to escape from pressure and restrictions while women tend to feel more secure. Many people make fun of older single men for looking pathetic, right? That is something said mostly by women. Single men can live well, too. Cherish yourself.

Try to suppress your instinct and advance your perspective. Korean women’s worth is already inflated. The pretty ones among them act too cocky. In fact, pretty women with no skills are useless. They are like fucking expensive pieces of junk. Splendid golden poop.

You guys have done group projects at school, right? A couple of female group members might be pretty. (Sorry if you go to an engineering school, idiots.) In many cases, they remain quiet even when asked to give their opinions. They don’t do what they are supposed to do. They don’t listen to the group leader. Have you actually seen any female student in charge of leading her group and doing everything including the final presentation? I go to a so-called prestigious university, but girls here never step forward to give a presentation, too. This girl became a group leader but she even cried because she was worried about giving a presentation.

To such a girl, you should be able to say “You are a fucking pathetic bitch!!” They are literally a splendid piece of poop…However, Korean male bastards are lured to such poop while being oblivious to diamonds… Most guys bullshit like “Do you want me to do it for you? It’s okay. Not your fault” because they want the women to think they’re nice.

Splendid pieces of poop are very pricey. Your soul will be destroyed while trying to please them. On the other hand, non-Kimchified girls who are humble and sensible do exist. If you suppress some of your insticnt, you can definitely find such women. When you can look past physical beauty for inner qualities, you’ve finally “evolved”.

This is speed skater Lee Sang-hwa. [Current world record holder in 500 meters] Can you see the beauty of her thighs?

lee-sang-hwa

Three-line summary:

1. The Kimchi bitch phenomenon won’t last long. Young women will have to be prepared for its end.
2. Change your expectations in your partner. You will be able to meet non-Kimchified women.
3. Wise up and see the inner beauty beyond the physical beauty.

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  • Joey

    I feel sorry for the person who had to translate all this shit.

    • lonetrey / Dan

      120 upvotes at this moment… Dam, that was a wall of text. Not to mention a load of sexist bullshit as well.

  • Sarah

    1. The Kimchi bitch is the young woman in modern Korean society who regards herself too highly and ignores her duties while only advocating her rights.

    What “DUTIES” are we talking about here? Korean women work just as hard as men these days from a very young age when it comes to getting into a good university. I sure as hell wouldn’t give up my hard-earned career and financial independence to live a mundane life in an apartment changing diapers, washing dishes and cleaning spit up. Korea is still an extremely conservative society and expects being a stay at home mom to be a woman’s ultimate role in life, even though more and more women are finding this path increasingly undesirable (which is quite obvious from the plummeting birth rate). I would be extremely bitter about it too if I was pressured into a life for the next 20 years that would bore me to tears. I’m sure that’s why many women feel they should be ‘compensated’ somehow for this sacrifice.

    HOWEVER, I do think it’s a huge problem how many (not all of course) Korean women are so picky about their future spouse’s income/social status and expect far too much. It’s ridiculous.

    If you know you aren’t going to be happy as a housewife, keep your job, live happily with your spouse, and don’t have children.

    • David

      I think it is obvious that he means their ‘duties’ are to raise the children, care for the house and keep their man satisfied with sex. A paid nanny/house keeper/prostitute.

    • BreadWinner

      “Mundane life in an apartment changin diapers, washing dishes and cleaning spit up.” My wife does exactly this. She doesn’t think it’s mundane. We live a happy life. For some reason, this era believes that everyone should work, work, work. My wife likes being a house-wife. And I don’t mind, we live great and don’t have any drama. Why do you think being a house-wife is “mundane”? There ARE duties in the house that need to be taken care of. Whether it’s by one partner or both, but they MUST be done. When you neglect these things, society goes to shit.

      • Sarah

        That’s wonderful that your wife and you are happy with your situation, but being a housewife is not a one-size-fits-all occupation for women. There are many women who would be perfectly happy being housewives and raising children at home, however there are also a large number of women who have no desire to be in that position. For some women it’s not rewarding enough. Maybe they want to keep their jobs or careers they worked so hard towards. Maybe they want to be financially independent. Let’s be honest, I’m sure you know better than anyone how grueling and tough it can be to be a stay-at-home mom. Sometimes it’s just a monotonous thankless, exhausting job. It can also be very lonely and isolating. Many women these days realize that they’re just not cut out for it, BUT despite this, conservative Korean culture still pressures them to have children and give up their jobs, even if they would rather not. Maybe this is why they think they should be compensated for having children and doing housework–because of the huge sacrifice on their part; giving up the life they actually want to live.

    • d-_-b

      No. Have you ever been to Korea?
      Most Korean women go home on time whereas Korean men always have to pull all nighters

      • Sarah

        I’ve lived in Korea for the last 3 years. I live in Seocho where there are a large number of local companies/businesses and there are plenty of women out drinking with their bosses and co-workers at very late hours. My female Korean friends included–they aren’t given preferential treatment.

        This area is quite wealthy, and there are a large number of singles (both men and women) in their 20s-30s who work in companies and live in the area. Probably the reason why people see more men out there pulling all-nighters is because after women get married, they’re simply expected to quit their jobs to stay at home and raise babies.

        • d-_-b

          Those females who work in prestigious companies like Samsung are rare exceptions. I can give you to prove Korean men work much harder than women (who aren’t married) but the stats are written in Korea, so…

          • Stefanie

            So….? I’d like to see the stats and also how they were collected. Biased statistics are beyond useless.

            I’ve lived here for over 7 years now and I can tell you that career women aren’t given any preferential treatment at ANY company. They actually tend to work harder. An example, a family went on a 2 week trip to NZ. The father is a orthodontist and the mother is an office worker. He didn’t have to add any extra time at work to make up for his missed days. Granted, I’m sure the doctors take turns and it will be made up later. The mother had to work extra hours every night (her usual home arrival time was after 8pm already) AND she had to work every weekend for a month. Her trip with her family cost her a month of work! Not including the extra time she put in BEFORE the trip.

            I’m not saying lazy women who want to live off their spouses don’t exist. I’ve even worked for some. However, it is wrong to stereotype women in this way. There are far more than 2 types of women and the situation here in Korea is very difficult to accurately understand.

          • http://emzkal.tumblr.com/ EmzKal

            In the three Korean companies I’ve worked at since 2008 I’ve seen women work just as hard (if not more in some cases) than their male counterparts. And none of them are prestigious big name companies.

  • bumfromkorea

    That is some serious level of sexual frustration dripping in those writings.

    • Stefanie

      He shouldn’t be frustrated. He can hire a prostitute for very little here lol

  • Bryan Cheron

    Wow, this certainly was a long article. Thank you for translating and I look forward to doing more than just skimming it- it looks like an interesting window into an increasingly common way of looking at Korean gender relations.

  • Peter Pottinger

    This guy needs to just ante up for hookers instead of living with the biggest blue balls on earth.

    • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

      When the little soliders need to be deployed, ask lefty or righty for a helping hand.

  • Mighty曹

    Not good to be an unemployed lawyer with a Kimchi Bitch wife.

  • David

    This looks like something that was written by some netizen on a Saturday night after drinking too much Soju and having a bad case of blue balls. The sad part is that this was written by an anthropology student (a senior apparently) and praised by his professor. As a historian, a teacher and a person who has published papers in the social sciences, I have to say the unprofessionalism and lack of real scholastic merit in this paper is shocking ( I am speaking about the content not the grammar as this can not really be judged with a translation, although who puts laughing or swear words in a paper). Worse is the apparent praise his professor heaped on him.

    • Sillian

      Obviously this is not the actual term paper. xD We don’t know what the original paper looks like. It’s entirely possible that he didn’t even bring up the word ‘Kimchi bitch’ in his paper at all and personal anecdotes were added to this rant-over-soju type of post for the readers on Ilbe.

      • David

        OK, that makes for a much better explanation. Thank you for the clarification. It seemed to me they were translating the actual paper.

        • Sillian

          Haha who would use that much coarse language for a school assignment. It’s an internet forum post.

      • bigmamat

        This article was actually written by an anthropology student? So he’s studying to actually be a cave man, is that it? If the person who wrote this has more than a high school certificate it would mean that someone paid way to much for his education.

      • Stefanie

        He makes a point at the very beginning that he tried to be very “objective” and to read it thoroughly because he worked very hard on it. This seems to imply he didn’t change much at all when posting it.
        Knowing Korean academic standards with writing here, I didn’t expect it to be very well written but I expected a lot more in terms of…everything!

        • Sillian

          His goal is to convince readers that the Kimchi bitch issue isn’t an irrelevant bogeyman but a real issue to be aware of. He tried to emphasize that it doesn’t come from his own bias or delusion. In his formal paper, first of all, he has to use formal language and cite sources. The formal topic was probably something like ‘changes in gender relations in modern Korean society’ instead of ‘why Kimchi bitches suck’.

    • Krystal Hampton

      He didn’t cite sources and was heavily biased. Tsk, tsk.

  • inwoo

    dont follow ilbe they are socially tabooed. Those kimchi bitch phenomenon is just a fake bullshit.

    • Sillian

      I think this whole ‘Kimchi bitch’ thing (related to the previously coined ‘bean paste girl’) is something that nobody really talks about in real life but is very frequently brought up online.

  • linette lee

    That is one long article just to write about bitches. hahahahaha….lol.

    Anyway
    “The severe gender imbalance turned the young women in Korean society…”

    Why is that? They don’t have one child policy so why they have gender imbalance?

    I will say the kimchi bitch phenomenon is created by their men in their society. Just like those China bitches looking for rich husbands are created by China men. All the men compete for pretty wives so some women think being pretty allow them a sense of entitlement. Maybe if the men marry ugly women for love, personality, and compatibility then you won’t have this problem. If the husbands complain their wives are kimchi bitches then they didn’t marry for love or compatibility. You support and take care your spouse when you love them. Like a wife takes care of her husband.
    There are so many nice women out there are you kidding me? lol..

    • holdingrabbits

      While there is not a one child policy, many people back in the day got illegal abortions if they were going to have a girl. This still happens in some cases and some people estimate there are actually more abortions than live births in Korea, due to the fear of birth control, but that’s not necessarily related to sex selection.

  • Red Pill Novice

    This isn’t unique to Korean culture. This is like America over the last 30 years. Hold on to your balls Korean brothers.

    • bigmamat

      It’s not American either so don’t even try to go there…it’s just the way things will always be….good looking women don’t have to date boring, broke, stupid or ugly. Why should they?

  • Eric0912

    I prefer translations of newspaper articles to translations of drunk people’s online ramblings. Don’t really understand why this was chosen.

    • Sillian

      Isn’t this site for netizen reactions and trends? There are many sites where you can read Korean news in English. Last time I checked, this is not exactly a news site.

      • Eric0912

        Still would like some kind of basic quality. Or is there something special with this particular post? But you certainly have a point.

        • smallsignal

          I’d just say the topic is relevant at least online.

        • Sillian

          It gives you some context or underlying sentiment for some netizen comments that you will often encounter on gender issues that are very frequently debated on the Korean internet. Have you heard of the ‘bean paste girl’? That one appeared in the mainstream discourse. This Kimchi bitch thing is like an extreme version.

  • One for all

    the girl on the show that wants compensation for giving birth….seriously misplaced priorities

  • Maramai

    S. Korea needs a men’s liberation movement.

    • MGTOW 4Ever

      There is one. Its called doing back flips of tall buildings.

  • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

    Is Putin really 165cm? If so, I’m taller than him!

    • Peter Pottinger

      Putin had all his rivals killed by the kgb which he was the head of. Height has nothing to do with his power or ruthlessness.

      You should not wish to be Putin, ever. Envy is the doom of mankind.

      • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

        Hey, who would envy a short bald guy? Not me!

        • Peter Pottinger

          Did you know in physcology, those who have not so nice things to say about others are in fact hiding fears about their own short-comings :)

          • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

            i am hiding them…*sob* I am only a cm taller and baldness runs through my family….I’m already losing me hair! *bawls & runs away*

          • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

            replied to this post a few times and none of it appears, what gives?

          • Peter Pottinger

            Take the hint and stop replying.

          • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

            NEVER!

  • commander

    I don’t know what problem there is with Kimchi girls.

    If you don’t like those girls who put materialistic free ride over affection or any other valuable things, just dont socialize with them.

    If some guys fall deceptively for looks of those girls, they have to face any problems from relationship with those girls. That’s it.

    In a way, the burgeoning discourse on Kimchi girls in South Korea reflects frustration of males who struggle to find a job.

    Men, which have been judged by how much they earn, fear to be assessed as financially incapable amid a protracted econmic slowdown, they appear to take out their frustration on Kimchi girls though as a man, I hate Kimchi girls.

  • Ray

    Lets see how many comments are made accusing the author or labelling all girls as kimchi girls when he clearly didnt.

    I personally thinks what he said is correct in regards to kimchi girls, but please read the part that he outlines what is a kimchi girl and if you are not in that category then please dont feel offended…

    Regardless i can see that many comments will be about how the author is some guy that cant get some and feels inferior or what not, but imagine if your gf is exactly the same as how he described kimchi girls and see if his post about kimchi girls are correct

    • bigmamat

      So there is a group of girls in Korea that think they are “all that” and won’t date just anybody. Well damn what’s the problem? There are girls like that in every culture. They are usually wealthy and can afford to be well kept. Nobody would expect them to marry outside of their social status. Sounds like a Korea guy problem to me. If you can’t afford to date one of these girls then don’t. Oh I see. You don’t like it cause rich dudes draw all the hot bitches. Welcome to the real world boys.

  • Comebackkid13

    It’s hilarious to me that there are actually men sitting
    here trying to criticize this guy for having blue balls. Dismissing his points
    by claiming he is just sexually frustrated.
    I can think of only two reasons.

    1.
    You lack game and have never been with beautiful
    women.

    2.
    You are one of those guys engaging in “pussy-sucking”
    as he said, or in our terms, putting women on the pedestal.

    I completely invite you to ignore what I say because this is
    a forum and I can’t readily substantiate my claims. However, I have no blue
    balls. I have no sexual frustration. I have had numerous sexual partners every
    year since my early 20’s with great looking women. When I read this, I laughed
    at the accuracy.

    This is even more true now that I live in Asia. Marriage is like a contract to most people
    here. That contract being based upon an agreement of financial support from the
    husband and familial support from the wife.
    However, these days, women still want the financial support while stressing
    their independence and worth, which is FINE. However, they take this paradigm
    too far in that most of them want to do nothing at the house because they are “above
    that.” They get resentful for doing house work and claim it’s belittling and
    excessive when they are the ones who worked to find a husband who earned enough
    for them to stay home. They. Don’t. Want. To. Work. Which again, is FINE. A
    stay at home wife is FINE. It’s great that the mother can be with her children,
    ALL the time. It’s wonderful. However,
    this inflated snowflake attitude makes them resent that and they end up chewing
    out their husband for not doing housework.
    Excuse me, that’s why they work is so you can stay home. Raising the
    family and a little house work each day is your duty. That’s not belittling. It
    is a great team effort.

    This self-idealized, snowflake attitude translates into the
    relationship. They want men to pay for
    everything, and pamper them with gifts. All the while they want to be
    worshipped for their beauty. To them,
    this worship translates into more self-aggrandizement. As he said, with pretty women, this turns
    into the mentality of “I’m beautiful and I let you sleep with me and give you
    head, so I should have to do nothing.”
    It’s ridiculous. Sex is for mutual enjoyment, not a manipulative tool to
    gain freedom from responsibility.

    Now, this attitude is largely absent from unattractive
    women. They will be sensible and willing to cooperate on a team level in the
    relationship. They also find sex to be
    something for mutual enjoyment, not as a tool to leverage their freedom from
    duty. However, unattractive girls are
    unattractive. I’m not attracted to unattractive women (go figure) and don’t
    date them. This is the crux of his point.
    These women have an inflated sense of aggrandizement and a lack of
    motivation to participate.

    Now when you have gender demographic imbalance, that’s when
    things get craaazy. That’s when the attractive women getting the solid guy goes
    down the tube.

    In summary, I think there is nothing wrong for attractive
    women aiming for more secure men. They have standards and that is FINE.
    However, if you get a hubby works 10 – 12 hours every day in Asia’s work
    environment and pays for everything so you can stay home, you had better be
    putting in work on your side with the kids, financial management, and the home.

    I’m done. (By the way
    I love women, no hate in this post, merely objective reflection based on
    personal anecdotal evidence).

    • winterbitten

      I agree. I don’t see why so many people are dismissing this article. Maybe they’re already married or are older?

      Point is, women who are capable of contributing and decide not to because it’s a “man’s job” are annoying. Women who are not capable of contributing due to their own choice and act as entitled as women capable of providing are the plague.

      Logically speaking, if my gf makes half of what I do, she should be able to provide half of what I do toward the relationship. Not even including food and basic committees that she’d have to buy with her own money if I wasn’t standing next to her at that moment. I mean, I have to buy the condoms AND her pads/conditioner/feminine wash just because she went to the supermarket with me? I once asked her to pick up some condoms and she flipped out, even though she was the one who wanted to have sex and was at the supermarket while I was at work. Yet I often buy her pad, feminine wash, and conditioner that I more or less didn’t use at the time.

      Logically:
      1.Having men work and women cater to them. (Man buys woman)
      2.Having Women work and men cater to women. (Woman buys man)
      3.Having Men work and Women work but women don’t want to contribute. (Man buys woman, pays interest, technical difficulties)
      4.Having men work, women do nothing. (Man signs 50 year lease; lemon)
      5. Men work, Women work, contribution depends on their earnings not including basic living commodities. (Men and Women are equal)

      1 used to be acceptable and worked well enough for thousands of years (safe to say?). Understandably, things have changed. Women want more rights, want to be treated as equals. So 5 should work… only it doesn’t a lot of the time. What ends up happening is either 3 or 4. The shift toward 3 and 4 is when women want to be treated as equals, but won’t contribute as equals when it comes to the matters that they can. I don’t know how often 2 happens but I imagine most of the time men who choose that lifestyle are happy enough because it was their choice. I know I’ve thought about, because I would be pretty damn proud to raise my family and can easily waste away a free day cleaning and cooking.

      Not to say 5 doesn’t happen. I know that where I live, I end up mostly meeting women who fall into 3 or 4.

      I also want to point out the person who wrote this clearly is aware of the situation in other countries. He was merely coining a term and explaining what the term means.

    • Rayna

      people are dismissing this article because it’s shitty drunk rambling trying to masquerade as “insightful” social commentary

      • bigmamat

        I honestly don’t think he was drunk. I think he was sober, which is even more pathetic.

  • bigmamat

    This whole Kimchi Bitch thing is so KOREAN. Is there nothing a Korean won’t whine about, even the damned men? News flash boys….good looking women don’t have to marry trolls. They don’t have to date ugly, stupid, boring, mean or broke. They can use their looks to get the kind of mate they want. Not isolated to Korea. You just don’t hear men anywhere else crying about it like a bunch of baby bitch boys. It’s just the way things are, it’s a man’s world you made it. If you want to draw the hot chicks you better bring something, money, looks, game…

    • Doge Wallace

      You didn’t read it, did you?

      • bigmamat

        I read most of it, skimmed the end because it gives me a pain to listen to a man whine about something so ridiculous. Not to mention the fact that it sounds more like it was written by a bright middle school kid rather than an anthropology graduate. I’ll finish reading it now that my eyes have had a rest. I was pretty fried last night.

        • Sillian

          His rant is based on how frequently he thinks he has experienced annoying attitudes from girls in his life.

          I don’t think he said Korean women have to be either ugly chicks or ‘kimchi bitches’. There is this term ‘non-kimchified’ which isn’t equal to ‘ugly’. People who get called ‘Kimchi bitches’ aren’t necessarily pretty, either.

          It seems Lee Sang-hwa’s strong thighs (conventionally not beautiful) were mentioned to appreciate her hard work and determination. He was trying to tell his readers to appreciate something other than physical beauty.

          As to why Korean or other native Asian guys aren’t dating or marrying Western women in droves, I think that is whole another topic. I don’t think it is easy for them to connect if you consider the barriers such as racial bias, language barrier, gender expectations or dynamics, etc. For example, Asian women can be just minimally conversational in English to date western men but Asian men think they should master the foreign language to talk to western women in general. Korean guys tend to think of Japanese girls first when they talk about dating foreigners. It seems Japanese women are considered to be culturally similar yet different in a positive way by many Korean guys.

          • bigmamat

            I see so everyone was supposed to read between the lines and surmise what this bone head is trying to say? I don’t think I misunderstood him at all.

          • Sillian

            I think where he’s coming from is obvious. Maybe because I’ve read similar posts many times on the internet. His rant sounds aggressive and extreme in a coarse language but the underlying sentiment is not uncommon. It’s not only about dating and marriage. It could be between colleagues at work or even strangers on a street. There are many aspects of gender issues we can address. From an institutional viewpoint, there have been mainstream efforts to make it better for women. On a personal relational level, however, many men seem to feel young women are in a better position but it’s not something institutional they can protest at, so they write online rants like this. It’s certainly unfair to criticize only women but I think there is some real conflict of perceptions and expectations, to brush it off as some guy’s random drunk rant.

          • bigmamat

            I don’t think it’s a random drunk rant at all. I think he’s an asshole.

          • Fxxx YOu

            You are on the way to be a Kimchified man.

          • bigmamat

            I don’t think I understand what you mean.

        • Doge Wallace

          Did you read the last part? The summary? Here it is:

          “1. The Kimchi bitch phenomenon won’t last long. Young women will have to be prepared for its end.
          2. Change your expectations in your partner. You will be able to meet non-Kimchified women.
          3. Wise up and see the inner beauty beyond the physical beauty.”

          Especially look at #2 and #3. What could be wrong with that? He’s saying stop chasing after girls just because they’re hot and go for inner beauty. That’s misogynistic?

          (Additionally, you make it seem as if it would be just as easy for an Asian male to get married to an American woman as it would be for an Asian woman to marry an American man… but that’s a whole different issue.)

          • bigmamat

            Really do you really think he made a convincing argument to a woman that he’s anything but a little prick? Shall I recap for you. He said…On the other hand, non-Kimchified girls who are humble and sensible do exist. If you suppress some of your insticnt, you can definitely find such women. When you can look past physical beauty for inner qualities, you’ve finally “evolved”.

            I see you and he must be destined to share the same cave. The man is bitching because he can’t get the hot poontang and you think any women reading that would give a shit?

      • Peter Pottinger

        100% true bro, I live in Canada and there are jot & mean white bitches too. They pride themselves in being mean spirited because they can.

        You have 2 logical options here
        1. Try and “go” after them, ultimately failing because you are a loser and write whiney pubescent posts on the internet ranting at “kimchi bitches”

        2. ignore them and realize that beauty is not all about how you physically look, live a long and satisfying life never looking back or regretting you didnt get your dick in one of these “hot” bitches.

        • Comebackkid13

          Option 3 : Get said “hot bitch.” Enjoy wonderful sex with her.

          • Peter Pottinger

            lol enjoy your hot mean bitch, your life must be pretty sad for you to bend over backwards just to have sex with mean girls

          • Comebackkid13

            Who says she has to be mean because she is hot? Or that you have to bend over backwards like a bitch to get with her? Ridiculous, that’s the number one response of guys who haven’t had success with attractive women. “They’re bitches,” “They’re mean,” alludig that a women can’t be a wonderful person if she is hot because her beauty has invariably corrupted her character.
            When a women shuts you down, it doesn’t mean she is mean, or a bitch, or arrogant. The two aren’t mutually exclusive. There are mean hot women, and cool hot women, and in my experience, a lot of them are like the article indicated. But even then they aren’t mean. They just have a different value sense.
            Your attitude and frame that you have to bend over backwards to have successful relationships with hot women, or that they are mean, indicates to me that you have had bad experiences.

      • Guest

        Yup, bigmamat clearly did not read it.

        However it does not matter since bigmamat looks like a type of person who just wants to hate when men bring up things like this, no matter how much data or statistical/historical fact it has.

        • David

          Funny, because no data or historical fact was presented. Stating an opinion is not a fact.

          • bigmamat

            Thank you David for being the voice of reason. I didn’t really feel like it since the entire article is so creepy.

          • David

            Creepy is a good word for it. Those who are accusing you of not reading the article or nor understanding it seem to have only read the last part. Of course it is important to judge a person by their character and not simply by their looks (that is the point of dating and marrying to be happy and not simply for money) but how can they ignore the dozens of paragraphs of misogynistic crap he wrote before that.

          • bigmamat

            It isn’t even like he actually said anything decent in the last paragraph. He urges people not to go for the “splendid piece of poop” by telling them to “suppress their instinct” to go for the pretty girl and look for “inner beauty”. If that’s not code for “ugly chicks need love too” I don’t know what else it means. He also makes it sound as though there are only two kinds of women in Korea, ugly women and Kimchi bitches. I just find it hard to believe that Korean women are that unattractive. I think part of the Korean problem is that they insist on defining everything to a certain “standard” and deviation from that standard is not excused.

          • Guest

            Don’t you think that you need to at least come to South Korea and see what ‘standard’ Korean people are trying to impose on Korean women or what kind of problem Korean people have?

            Why are you trying to make yourself know Korea too much when you are certainly not?

            I do not think you have any understanding as to Korea, especially when you haven’t even lived in Korea.

          • bigmamat

            I really need more information from you Mr. Guest before I decide if you’re as stupid as the author of this article. Please enlighten me as to what I don’t understand. What I don’t understand S lines, V lines, thigh gap, BB Cream, single eye lids, circle lenses? Maybe I don’t understand anything about push up bras, high heels, Spanks or bikini waxes? You think I could spend 5 minutes on the internet “in my spare time” reading news and blogs about S.Korea and not at least run across one Ilbe dude or butthurt expat crying about Korean women being status whores? Come on now. Do I really need to come to Korea to figure out how to respond to something this obvious? How long do I have to stay in Korea to understand, a week, two? Since it’s way to cold for me to live there, two weeks is about all the time I’m prepared to give actual field research. Do you think that’s enough time to understand the depth of his resentment? Shucks when I came to Korea I was planning on staying drunk most of the time.

          • Guest

            Funny, because it seems that you did not even read the article in its entirety before you mocked him by saying that he has blue balls, and thought that was the actual paper his professor was given, which is also unprofesional, as “a person who has even published papers in the social science.”

            I am sure you need to read over what your first comment is like, and also the article before you scroll down and get ready to write some comments about it if you want to bring up ‘professionalism’.

            You will end up finding out what kind of data/historical/statistical fact was presented, which is surely more professional than you assumed(because you haven’t read yet.)

          • Rayna

            no one cares if he didn’t read it because the article is pure bullshit

            lol @ you defending this mess

          • David

            Go troll elsewhere. I don’t even read comments from people who don’t sign in with a name.

        • bigmamat

          Data this rant has actual data.

      • Rayna

        why would anyone read all that shit?

    • d-_-b

      Oh really? Last time I checked American men even came up with a book that degrades their women. It’s a world wide phenomenon now. In every country more and more men are hating on women.

      • bigmamat

        What are you trying to say, that Koreans dudes didn’t invent being dim witted assholes when it comes to women? Somehow I think I already knew. Here’s the deal, how can any women in her right mind find this loser’s argument rational or compelling? How can I not understand what he’s saying when he’s saying it so prettily? When he’s being so understanding and sensitive. I should have realized that all the “in between” girls will be thrilled about his decision to “suppress his instinct” to go after the “splendid piece of poop” and look for their inner beauty. How could I not understand his message? I must be the stupid one here. Seriously did someone drop you on your head when you were little?

        • d-_-b

          “This whole Kimchi Bitch thing is so KOREAN.”
          “You just don’t hear men anywhere else crying about it like a bunch of baby bitch boys.”

          You made it look like only Korean guys are like that, which isn’t necessarily true. The rest of your argument I don’t care.

    • bumfromkorea

      No, it’s not a Korean thing. Smelly, virgin-y angst writings by unattractive males can be found in many different cultures. Google “Ode to the Nice Guys”, and be ready to cringe.

      • bigmamat

        I’ll pass, but thanks anyway.

        • bumfromkorea
          • bigmamat

            Damn…I got curious and “went there”. Did you notice that the original “Ode” was written by a guy named Fu-zu Jen, SEAS/WH 2003…I wonder if he’s still jerking off to internet porn.

          • bumfromkorea
          • bigmamat

            It’s all good. I can stand a little male whining from time to time. Certainly relieves the guilt of having PMS once a month.

    • chucky3176

      Where did the term “FemiNazis” come from? It sure didn’t come from Korea.

      • bigmamat

        I think it was Rush Limbaugh. He wasn’t talking about 98 lb. girls in short skirts with designer bags and more plastic in their bodies than a recycling bin. He was talking more along the lines of fat girls with arm pit hair and Birkenstocks. Although who knows it’s Rush and he hates everything, except the NRA, Jesus and oxy.

  • MGTOW 4Ever

    I lived in SK for 5.5 Years. I can attest to most what you have said. I
    have a problem with the whole “maturity” argument in North America.
    Maturity by whole is defined by Gynocentrism AKA Emotional Maturity
    (West) In Asia lots of Maturity is not defined by Gynocentric view, its
    more along the lines of Confucianism where social responsibility defines
    Maturity. In SK and Japan I found that women were absolutely useless,
    if you were to use their definition of Maturity on most women there they
    were akin to Infantile in their 30’s. They can’t pay, bills, look after
    them selves, even have any opinions and in general I found them
    completely ignorant and lazy. Ironically men after their Military
    service go from same immaturity to completely being “socially Mature”
    very quickly. Women after marriage and popping out a spawn do the same
    but the marriage age is quite high and the age difference between male
    and female maturity can be quite as high as 10 years. I couldn’t stand
    dating there it was like being with a moron, and mentally retarded child
    and a jealous one to boot. I had a lot of Korean friends male and
    female but the expectations were so vast that I preferred just hanging
    out with guys. I felt that in General Asian friends were high
    maintenance but all in all Males would reciprocate quite often. Due to
    the Herculean efforts SK Men have to take on they just shun getting into
    relationships and even staying monogamous in said relationships. SK and
    Japan are both doomed to a Demographic Disaster.

    • FYIADragoon

      Once Chinese men find their backbone, they’ll be following suit, I’d assume.

      • d-_-b

        Funny because Chinese guys comments in Chinasmack are no different from above.

    • bigmamat

      Funny how once you get what you wanted then you don’t want it anymore. Perhaps it escaped your notice that Asians have certain expectations for their women and there is very little actual feminism in Asia. So here’s a tip, women do whatever they have to do to survive in the environment they are occupying. You see men dominate the world still. They set the rules and then women work within the frame work of the rules. So now Korean women are following those rules and men don’t like it. Which Korean men don’t like it? The only people I ever see complaining are Ilbes and other keyboard warriors. Somehow I get the feeling these guys are destined to sit around wanking off to anime porn for the rest of their lives anyway. Men don’t like it when women are empowered and think and they don’t like it when we play dumb. Because yes sometimes people are dumb but not that often. Women are pretending to be dumb because they think that’s what men want. Stop asking for pretty dumb if that’s not what you really want.

    • Rayna

      hint: the plural of anecdote is not “data”

  • Andy

    How about marrying for love Korea? For richer, for poorer. In sickness and in health. How about partnership? Not a bad idea if a marriage is to succeed. Having spent six years here I couldn’t fail to notice how everything in life is business and everything is ‘what’s in it for me?’ Anyway, good luck to them. It’s their ball…

  • Greg

    Most of the haters of the article are left wing/liberal drones, feminazis, white knights (these guys are the worst), etc, etc who can’t stand anything bad said about the oh so high on a pedestal woman.

    Remember guys, because you can’t have babies or have blood flow out of you every month, it means you can never ever complain or call women out on their bad or stupid behavior.

    • Peter Pottinger

      I’m going to enlighten you, and for free to boot!

      YOU are the problem here. Its going to sound backwards right now, but when you hit puberty and graduate to the world of adults, it will dawn on you nobody is responsible for YOUR decisions but yourself.

    • bigmamat

      Nobody is suggesting that someone can’t call anyone out on bad behavior. There is however a constructive way to go about these things and then there’s this guy. If you are curious about gender issues as they relate to Korea then may I suggest this guy instead. http://thegrandnarrative.com/

    • 나쁜남자

      I’m a liberal and I got a pretty good kick out of reading this. I also found a lot of it to be depressingly true. Parts about how ladies are mostly entitled monsters (in a very generalized sense), I can agree with. But I’d say as a whole, much of the people born after 1975 are pretty weak. Guys want hand-outs just like girls. There’s this facade of ‘security’ and ‘stability’ that goes with working at a big company like Samsung or Hyundai. But actually they don’t really compensate their employees for achieving much and after thinking about it, it’s all such a scam. Confucianism has been twisted around and transformed into such a fucked up tool in Korea that it keeps innovation within these large companies and the guys on the top reap all the benefits.
      So who really cares if the Kimchi-girls confuse Korean dramas with real life? Let them wait for their prince to come and rescue. They can continue to spend 2000 for a kimbab and 5000 for coffee at lunch everyday and save their 2mil monthly salary for a Chanel bag. Lord knows the fashion houses in Paris and Milan love the Kimchi girls. –I think I got a little ranty

    • Rayna

      lemme guess – right wing asshole, neocon, white privileged western sexist man? you know im right

  • rollin wit 9’s

    ‘Kimchi Bitch’ is not so different from ‘Ramyun Asshole’
    We can look down on both but both have their place in society ㄱㄱ

    • d-_-b

      Ramen is Chinese food, not Korean

      • MGTOW 4Ever

        Actually its Japanese. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramen

        • d-_-b

          It’s not really Japanese
          because the name itself is derived from the traditional Chinese cuisine “Lamian”.

          • Rayna

            ramen as most know it is not in any way similar to la mian. ramen may have had origins in la mian, but that’s like saying italian pasta is chinese because of derivation

          • d-_-b

            Lamian was introduced in the Chinatowns of Kobe or Yokohama during the Meiji era. If I’m not mistaken Ramen is classified as Chinese cuisine in mainland Japan.

      • rollin wit 9’s

        I was referring to Shin Ramyun ( 辛 ) omg so good, now I want some.

        • d-_-b

          I know what Shin Ramyun is. But just because Korean company makes it, it doesn’t mean it’s traditional Korean food. It’s not.

    • Sillian

      What is ‘ramyun asshole’? I’ve never heard of that. They also say ‘Kimchi man’.

  • Guest

    After reading this post in its entirety, it’s clear that many commenting here haven’t.

    • Trunk

      Welcome to Koreabang.com.

  • Truck Furniture Maker

    If I wrote this “paper” for my old University my professor would smack me across the face and rightfully so. This is the single dumbest thing I have ever seen passed off as archival research.

    • Sillian

      Where do you see a ‘paper’? The article is basically a long internet comment that includes some data, findings, and vent writing in Ilbe style.

      • Truck Furniture Maker

        Supposedly this is based on a paper by a University student. To be honest I was so disgusted by it I gave up part way through so maybe I misunderstood?

        • Trunk

          We obviously do not know what the actual term paper his professor was given.

          He clearly mentioned that he re-wrote to make it look more like ‘Ilbe’.

          If you know yourself that you gave up reading and misunderstood, you do not also have to be disgusted either.

  • Doge Wallace

    TL;DR – look at the ending:

    Three-line summary:

    1. The Kimchi bitch phenomenon won’t last long. Young women will have to be prepared for its end.
    2. Change your expectations in your partner. You will be able to meet non-Kimchified women.
    3. Wise up and see the inner beauty beyond the physical beauty.

    • bigmamat

      What “inner beauty” first of all if Korea didn’t have just ONE standard for beauty then there would be no need for this conversation in the first place. Next who do you think set the standard? It’s never women. Women don’t decide what men like in a sexual partner men do. So Kimchi women are nothing more than a result of men’s expectations. You don’t really think that women enjoy plastic surgery, high heels and waxings do you? If we didn’t have to find a mate we’d all be wearing sweat pants, letting our eyebrows grow together, farting and scratching just like you do. Get over it.

      • Doge Wallace

        *edited to remove an insult.

        Anyway, do you think the man who wrote this article set the standard of beauty? Men seek beauty, women seek security. Beauty is easily attained through plastic surgery now, but as “rich” as Korea has become, most people are still struggling. This goes beyond the expectations of men or women, the whole system is fucked and geared towards making people work harder and harder.

        And guess what… even if you wear sweat pants, let your eyebrows grow together, fart, and scratch — you can still find a mate. You know why? Because the man who wrote this article and people like him realize that inner beauty is more important than physical beauty.

        That doesn’t mean Korean women are either kimchi bitches or ugly. No, and quite frankly the term “bitch” is too rough. “Wench” would be more along the lines of “년”, but “kimchi wench” sounds weird, which is why I suppose it’s translated as “kimchi bitch” instead.

        Kimchi “bitch” is not just about looks, but an attitude. Just because a girl isn’t a kimchi bitch doesn’t mean she’s ugly, she can still be “hot”. And quite frankly, there are many cute girls out there that do not have the kimchi bitch mentality. The problem is that men chase after the hottest piece of ass they can get… the top 5% in looks… and so these 5% of women are getting probably 90%+ of the attention from men, so of course they can act “bitchy”. The man is saying to look at the other 95% of women.

        Similar to what the John Nash character did in “A Beautiful Mind”. Where a blonde walks into the bar with some brunettes, and of course the kimchi-bitch, oops, I mean the blonde (according to the filmmakers) is the most physically desirable. John and his buddies all want the blonde, but he tells them they should ignore the blonde and go for the brunettes so that they can all be happy. Most guys go for the blonde and end up frustrated trying.

        Men start seeing women more for the inner beauty, then these “pretty” girls can no longer rely on looks, and they themselves can start to relax a bit more and develop their own personalities.

        You… you’re probably physically super hot.

        • bigmamat

          You sound like an OK guy. Why don’t you do yourself a favor and not even try to understand what this mental flea brain is trying to say. Just stay away from people with this kind of attitude you’ll do fine.

          • Doge Wallace

            Well, the thing is… I understand what he’s saying. In my youth I chased after all the “hot” girls, ignoring all the cute and wonderful girls who wanted to be with me.

            It wasn’t until I got in my 30s that I realized all the wonderful women I’d passed up on. They were now married to guys who were smart enough to see that looks were not the most important thing. Meanwhile, I went through headache after headache with “hot” girls. Three of the girls I was in relationships with attempted suicide (whether before, during, or after our relationship, or some combination thereof), some were alcoholics, some smoked like chimneys, some had extreme daddy issues, etc. etc. etc. That’s not to say a hot girl with a wonderful personality doesn’t exist, but they are rare.

            In fact, it wasn’t until I was 32 and I met a wonderfully hot girl who had a great personality that I realized what I was missing out on (until then, I thought most women were just crazy). Unfortunately, we only went out a few times (ultimately she wasn’t interested in me), but it opened my eyes and since then, was able to easily turn down any woman who was a “kimchi bitch”.

            Less than three months after meeting the wonderful hottie, I met a different wonderful woman. I don’t think anyone would ever call her “hot”, but I think she’s beautiful and I have never gotten along with another person better in my life… and we’ve been together since.

            It’s amazing how life works out sometimes. From someone who wasted money and only went after looks and envisioned marrying a trophy wife… to ending up with the girl-next-door and living a life of substance over style.

            It took me almost 33 years to understand this. The guy who wrote this article, since he’s a student, is probably in his early 20s… so he’s a lot smarter than I am.

          • bigmamat

            He doesn’t sound smarter. He sounds like an asshole that hasn’t learned anything yet. I notice you didn’t bother to use the kind of derogatory language he used to describe your experiences. He’s really an idiot. My son is 22. He never even has to leave the house to get a girl. All he has to do now is post to social media that he’s single and girls start sending him photos in various states of undress. Girls have liked him since elementary school, and he likes girls. Some of his friends however will say terrible things about the young women they know. Of course most of them are usually without a girlfriend. It’s a matter of attitude and deciding that you actually like women. That you actually realize they are people and not some commodity like a “trophy” wife. It’s also about realizing that pretty comes in more than one kind of package. Even Kimchi women have a lot of work maintain their “hotness”. Most women have the potential to be Kimchi women with the right hair, make up, diet and plastic surgery. I can’t imagine dating a gorgeous women in Korea only to meet her family 6 months later and find out she’s from a family of trolls. I don’t know about you but I’d feel like I’d been robbed.

  • Flappy

    Oh guys this kind of articles are normal for those ilbe bugs ..I guess most of you must know what an ilbe is and all but for those who are new to this actually Ilbe users have a forum/ community thingy and their website is like 2chan and 4chan (idek if I got those names right) they are just…trash sigh
    So yeah don’t pay attention to this kind of articles written by ilbe bugs (I’m talking about the original article )

  • Beej

    Dumbest paper I have ever read. Whoever wrote this has a sad, sad schema of women in Korea and probably in general.

    • Sillian

      What paper did you read? Why do some people claim they read a paper here? That is beyond my comprehension.

      • bigmamat

        Because the writer suggests that he’s an anthropology student and that the “points” contained in this rant are derived from his “paper”. I think it’s in the first or second paragraph.

        • Sillian

          And this is not the paper. Apparently, this is like casually talking to a buddy. We don’t know what the original paper looks like. We only know he covered a related topic in his paper. Chances are, his narrative might be very different in the formal report.

          • bigmamat

            I would hope he would at least spell words correctly in his paper. I get that he’s casually. He’s also just talking shit.

          • Sillian

            That’s Ilbe for you.

          • bigmamat

            Hey, I’m not some raging feminist. I also see this a lot out here on the internet. Not just from Koreans but from expats. Evidently there are only two kinds of women in Korea, Kimchi women and everyone else. I’ve never been to Korea but I find it hard to believe that there is something special about the Kimchi bitch. I also find it hard to believe that there are that many ugly women in Korea.

          • Guest

            So I read your commentings at my coffee break, and I enjoyed it.

            “I’ve never been to Korea but I find it hard to believe that there is something special about the Kimchi bitch.”

            So the first question is how do you know this is so KOREAN, if you have never even been to Korea?

            Spending your free time on the internet, like KoreaBang.com or /r/korea does not mean that you know Korea so well that you can judge things Korean or un-Korean.

          • bigmamat

            I don’t know maybe because the title of the article reads: Ilbe Presents: The Uniquely Korean “Kimichi Bitch”. Then the tag line reads: In-depth Analysis of the Kimchi Bitch Phenomenon in Korean Society (1)….That’s how I knew because our prolific author said so…So are you challenging my assumption that there are women elsewhere that behave like Kimchi Bitches? Is that the only thing that bothered you about my comments? Just what is it about that comment that bothers you?

  • Arendelle

    Ilbe is a bunch of full degenerates who are fallen behind in their off-line lives and get pleasure from only harassing and degrading others. They’re Korean version of online Neo-Nazi so please don’t think that their ideas represent the general values of all koreans. It is such a shame of my nation that this kind of website exists. The conservative side of the country should feel disappointment toward these bug’s actions too.

    • Sillian

      I don’t think you can find an accurate equivalent of Ilbe. It is a very chaotic forum site. What kind of Neo-Nazi group mocks and abhors ethnic nationalism as much as Ilbe? ‘Gukppong’ (nationalism drug) is one of the most frequently used words in Ilbe to mock petty nationalism, which will gain full stand-up-and-clap support from readers here (as long as you hide that such posts are from Ilbe to prevent prejudice). Korean online dynamics isn’t that straightforward.

      • Arendelle

        Your explanation of how Ilbe is different from Neo-Nazi is also presented by netizens in Korea. That’s the reason for Ilbe being hated much more. I’m new to this site; having first visited chinasmack&here last week so I don’t know whether readers here have negative perspective to even minor nationalism like Ilbe. Anyway, normal Koreans do not degrade on their ethnicity and history as much as Ilbe as far as I know.

        • chucky3176

          I don’t think you’ve even read Ilbe before. Have you?
          You sound like as if that’s what that site is about, from hearing all the bad things about it. Not saying there aren’t any trolls or mentally unbalanced people there, but it really doesn’t deserve such a bad reputation. They aren’t anymore abnormal than say Naver, Daum, or other portals. It’s got other social issues other then some topics bitching about women. And they’re the least nationalistic site there is, so the comparison with Nazism is kind of retarded.

  • The Real Truth

    Whether you agree with it or not, the main article was written in a way that at least prompts people to do some thinking. I can understand these 20 and 30-something men’s frustration at not being able to easily find a job, etc.

    As many other posters have mentioned; men are measured largely (but not always entirely) on how much money they have access to, or potentially have the future ability to earn. A man’s value in women’s eyes is at least partially measured in this way, and it is not unique to Korea. A man’s ability to earn is largely a function of his qualifications/skills/connections and also a function of the current job market. These are things that the man can only partially control.

    In Korea, there is an over-emphasis on women’s appearance. In Korea, a woman’s beauty and appearance are USUALLY within her control, thanks largely to the proliferation of plastic surgery clinics and the availability of easy credit and/or parent’s money. Managers at companies may or may not give women advantages based on their appearance, but in reality the job market is not the main reason that Korean women ‘invest’ in appearance. Women ‘invest’ in appearance to increase their appeal on the marriage market, and more specifically, to increase their appeal to men who have access to resources (rich guys, guys with good jobs, guys with rich parents, guys with property, etc). They are not getting plastic surgery so that they can settle down with a “nice” guy or an “average” guy.

    Men feel frustrated because for the most part, no matter what their parents do for them, it’s up to them to find a job and to advance in that job, and only then have they increased their relative value on the marriage market. Women, on the other hand, aren’t worried about that, or at least not nearly as much. Women can rapidly increase their perceived value on the marriage market simply buy cutting, slicing and stuffing their faces and bodies full of silicone. This doesn’t take any effort or brains whatsoever, it only takes money. And the money usually comes from mommy and daddy, so it doesn’t take much thinking or effort to spend it. A woman who is completely unattractive can fairly easily ‘jump the queue’ simply by getting her parents to pay for a few operations, and then suffering through the recovery time. This is partially men’s fault, because they have placed too much emphasis on (plastic) beauty. Men of all social ranks want pretty women, so guess what happens when women of all social ranks start to ‘upgrade’ their looks? You have a bunch of frustrated men wishing they had the same access to some sort of short-cut method of increasing their ‘stats’ without doing much work, but guess what? Men don’t have that option. A chunk of daddy’s cash or a swipe of a credit card at the plastic surgery clinic is going to make most men more desirable marriage partners.

    Korean guys should realize this, because after all; they created the entire system, and now they are living with the results. They worshiped beauty, and now they are surrounded by a bunch of (plastic) beauties who don’t want anything to do with them, because their ‘stats’ aren’t good enough anymore.

  • peppero

    This was such a funny read. I am astounded. It was so misogynistic that it almost came out the other end as a feminist piece. What an odd piece of work (this comment is coming from a woman, BTW). I don’t know if I can say I agree with any of it wholeheartedly, but I did like this part: “Korean women in their 20s are like that. They are playing with fireworks when they can make dynamite, missiles or even nukes.” I do think that’s an interesting take, and there’s some good advice here buried under a lot of misguided generalizations. Modern young Korean women tend to be very highly educated, any many of whom also happen to be freaking amazing at whipping themselves into full-on gorgeousness every single day, and yet many of my friends still feel that getting a husband is the End. All. Be. All., the final destination of a successful life. If that’s what will really make you happy, sure, but I think that there are a lot of young Korean ladies who don’t let themselves believe that maybe a career or something else might make them happier than any man could. So….. crazy Ilbe netizen, you almost might have made a great point!

    • 남쁜남자

      Isn’t that what the entitlement complex is all about? I’d say that lots of people in are highly educated. They learn really hard math and science in high school. How’s the ROI on that going? Spending tons on private academies… is it worth it? So much wasted…

      • bigmamat

        Also proves that an excellent grasp of higher math doesn’t necessarily translate to better social skills. Those skills are developed by actually coming into contact with people.

  • Rayna

    “As humankind evolved, men became more suited to hunting while
    women became better at taking care of the home and children. Men became
    better at seeing things in a narrow scope but far while women became
    better at seeing up close but in a broad manager. Can we mock women for
    being short-sighted in this way?”

    shitty bio-truthing, evo-psych, paternalism, condescension, and misogyny all wrapped up in one sexist little bow. how cute!1

  • bigmamat
  • averlyn

    It’s an ilbe user’s post but this person’s making sense, come on. What’s up with all the hate?

  • Siwoo Lee

    Loved reading these lines. “Your size is dictated by your mindset”. Putin and Obama comparison.

    Now, 8s act like 10!! ( I agree as a korean man in the early 20’s)

    Well studied plain spoken writing.

  • coltrane25

    This is the most misogynistic piece of crap I have ever read. If this represents the thinking of a large number of young Korean men then I feel sorry for Korean women. Immature, irresponsible assholes who blame everyone but themselves for their shortcomings.

  • re utada’s upcoming nuptials

    If this is Korea’s biggest problem with dating, then they got off easy …

    http://www.vevo.com/watch/utada/easy-breezy/USIV30400228

    [Chorus 1:]

    I still remember the ways that you touched me

    Now I know I don’t mean anything to you

    You’re Easy Breezy and I’m Japaneesy

    Soon you’ll mean exactly nothing to me

    And that means…

    You look stupid telling all your friends how you got the best of me

    I intended to share the pleasure only

    Now I look stupid

    We’re living in a world with a lot of pressure

    It’s quite unneeded to put some pressure on me

    You came and went and left my house

    Like a breeze just passing by

    Hello, Goodbye

    You left a note saying “‘Twas nice stopping by”

    I should’ve never let you inside

    [Chorus 2:]

    I still remember the ways that you touched me

    Now I know I don’t mean anything to you

    You’re Easy Breezy and I’m Japaneesy

    Soon you’ll mean exactly nothing to me

    Does that mean anything to you

    Easy Breezy

    Do you whistle to hide that you’re feeling lonely

    How do I breathe with all this pressure on me

    Easy Breezy

    When you wrestle, you know that you hurt somebody

    How do I breathe with all this pressure on me

    You came and went and left my house

    Like a breeze just passing by

    Konnichiwa, Sayonara

    ‘Twas nice of you to stop by

    Would it amuse you if I told you that I…

    [Chorus 2:]

    I still remember the ways that you touched me

    Now I know I don’t mean anything to you

    You’re Easy Breezy and I’m Japaneesy

    Soon you’ll mean exactly nothing to me

    Does that mean anything to you

    [Chorus 2:]

    I still remember the ways that you touched me

    Now I know I don’t mean anything to you

    You’re Easy Breezy and I’m Japaneesy

    Soon you’ll mean exactly nothing to me

    Does that mean anything to you

    She’s got a new microphone

    She doesn’t need you anymore

  • drinkitbitch

    This guy is not an anthropology student and I doubt he has ever read a book about women ever. Everything he stated down to “men became better at hunting” goes against everything anthology students learn from the first 101 introductory course. What a bunch of sad bullshit.

  • Debra

    Don’t forget traditional Korean attitudes towards women – not positive. Cheat on your wives with girlfriends, at business bars, with prostitutes, with coffee girls… It’s a different generation, and one can argue that women should take advantage of the population imbalance, especially until they get fair treatment.

  • neobooper

    I blame Korean TV Drama

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  • DV

    This is the worst translation I’ve seen. And I thought generally this site looked okay. Why all the added profanities?

  • Warren Lauzon

    Even aside from all the sexist bullshit, he even got this wrong: “.. When gunpower was introduced to the West, they created dynamite. As you guys may know, Nobel invented it..”
    Uhm… no. gunpowder and dynamite are not related even in the smallest way, except that they both go Bang. They don’t even use similar processes or ingredients to make.
    He lost me before that, but making such an obviously checkable error pretty much tanked any credibility.

  • dd

    LOL at white knights in this thread. Keep sucking up to the kimchi bishes and white wh0res desperately waiting for your fair share of poontang

  • Joyce Yagoda

    Inner or spiritual beauty is most important. At least 85 % of the American women work and many are divorced women. One of the night nurses is Asian married to an Asian doctor and she works hard as an RN. She is not Korean. She has 3 children, was taking for her sick father until he died recently. She does all her own house work, homework with the children. She works 7 pm to 7 am, three days a wk. He husband cooks, helps straighten the house for the night, shops, makes sure the kids baths and finishes helping the children with homework. This couple is in the upper class but want to be sure their kids get a good education in a private college. She never tells anyone her husband is a doctor. Our unit manager did not know, until she met him at a meeting and he had her last name. She is very pretty, down to earth, never complains. That is the old US of A.

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