Vietnam Asks Korea to Cancel Vietnam War Celebrations

2014 marks the 50th anniversary of South Korean troops deploying to South Vietnam to fight alongside Americans in the Vietnam War. While the Korean government and veterans’ groups had begun planning commemorative events in honor of the hundreds of thousands who served and the 4,960 who never returned, the Vietnamese government has requested that Seoul not hold official commemorative events.

Online, Koreans were overwhelmingly sympathetic to the Vietnamese position, and expressed strong regret for a war that is most often associated in South Korea with massacres of Vietnamese civilians, Agent Orange, and a mercenary relationship with the United States. In addition, many netizens talked about how public support for the Vietnam War could undermine their own efforts to get Japan to stop honoring its colonial aggression.


Video of the celebrations when Korean troops first left for Vietnam

Article from Segye Ilbo:

South Korea is under pressure to not celebrate 50th anniversary of Korean troop deployment to Vietnam.

General-turned-president Park Chung-hee, father of President Park Geun-hye, reviews Korean troops before deployment to Vietnam.

General-turned-president Park Chung-hee, father of President Park Geun-hye, reviews Korean troops before deployment to Vietnam.

 

-Vietnam has conveyed its concerns over possible diplomatic friction between Hanoi and Seoul as South Korea weighs the effect on military morale of withholding ceremony.

The Vietnamese government has officially requested South Korea not mark the 50th anniversary of the dispatch of soldiers to Vietnam, presenting a dilemma for the nation. South Korea has recently been preparing celebrations while at the same time conducting negotiations on a bilateral free trade agreement with the Southeast Asian country.

> A South Korean government official said on January 9th, “The year 2014 is the 50th anniversary of the Korean army deployment to the Vietnam War, and the preparations for a commemorative event are under way in collaboration of the Ministry of Patriots and Veterans Affairs (MPVA) and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MOFA). We recently received a request from the Vietnamese government to refrain from holding a commemoration, placing the government in a predicament.”

In its request, the Vietnamese government is reported to have referred to possible negative repercussions on economic and cultural exchanges between Hanoi and Seoul if the South Korean government proceeds in holding a celebration.

The MPVA has already established a task force in charge of holding a 50th anniversary ceremony.

From a critical perspective, South Korea’s deployment for the Vietnam War has its own downsides: War veterans suffering from defoliant after serving in the Vietnam War; Dispatched South Korean soldiers are accused of having served as mercenaries for the United State. These negative views are raising hurdles to a government-sponsored event.

Another obstacle is a South Korea-Vietnam agreement hammered out in 1992, when the two countries established diplomatic relations. Seoul concurred in the agreement to put the past behind and enhance bilateral cooperation for a future-oriented development.

As things stand, the government should take into consideration the imminent conclusion of a free trade pact with Vietnam.

Over the past 22 years, Seoul and Hanoi have witnessed the bilateral trade volume grow more than 40-fold, making Vietnam South Korea’s second largest export market following Singapore in South East Asia.

An MPVA official said, “We will draw up a celebration plan after seeing how the United States hold a ceremony for the Vietnam War, currently scheduled for April. We can put the focus of the ceremony on multiculturalism and Lai Dai Han(a Vietnamese term for a mixed ancestry person born to a South Korean father and a Vietnamese mother–including the victims of Korean soldiers–during the Vietnam War), with a view to setting the stage for the two countries to get over their bloody past and move toward a bright future.”

A group of Vietnam War veterans claim that the anniversary should spotlight the sacrifices of war veterans, raising the prospect of tension with the government.

South Korea sent eight combat units, for a total of 312,853 personnel, to the Vietnam War for eight and a half years between 1964 and 1973. 4,960 South Korean soldiers were killed and 10,962 wounded in Vietnam.

President Park Geun-hye shakes her hands with Vietnamese President Truong Tan Sang in Sept. 11th, 2013 summit.

President Park Geun-hye shakes hands with Vietnamese President Truong Tan Sang in Sept. 11th, 2013 summit.

Comments from Daum:

느러니:

The Vietnam War cannot be justified. Although our country sent its troops to Vietnam due to circumstances, it is appropriate to pass the anniversary quietly.

고구려사:

That’s not worth commemorating. As if killing people was something worthwhile.

비둘기:

Put yourselves in Vietnam’s shoes. Vietnam’s request is the exercise of its legitimate sovereignty.

박감독:

Don’t hold a ceremony. The deployment to kill people was anything but something to be proud of. I am sorry for the Vietnamese people. I hope that we will skip the ceremony, and express our condolences.

모리진:

The negative view towards South Korea’s engagement in the Vietnam War is not because of the damage caused by defoliants or serving as mercenaries. Some soldiers committed cruel acts like civilian massacres, rape and abandoning Lai Dai Han, and the miliary leaders who condoned such acts for strategic reasons remain unrepentant. It’s tragic that a country that was liberated from Japanese colonial rule sent its troops to interfere with another country’s independence war.

불잉걸:

The growth of Vietnam makes it possible for them to raise their voice about historical issues. Now is the time for objective historical studies to be conducted about South Korea’s deployment of troops to Vietnam. If it turns out that we committed wrongdoings, we need to apologize properly. Only then can South Korea have a strong stance to Japan on historical disputes.

초록빛:

I support the Vietnamese government’s stance. Consider how we slammed Japan’s Prime Minister Abe’s visit to the Yasukuni Shrine. If South Korea keeps on upholding our past, it will impose obstacles to the future partnership between the two countries. I don’t think highlighting veterans’ participation in the Vietnam War will boost military morale and honor. I think it is right to completely embrace the Vietnamese government’s request.

Dispatched Korean troops depart toward Vietnam in a naval ship at a port.

Dispatched Korean troops depart toward Vietnam in a naval ship at a port.

Comments from Naver:

nave****:

If Vietnam tells you not to do it, just don’t do it. South Korea’s deployment of its troops to Vietnam was for economic reasons, not for the sake of Vietnam. It was all the more futile because South Vietnam did not end up winning the war. It is something we should be apologetic about as a nation, not something to be praised. Be responsive to Vietnam. All the more so when we demand Japan to be apologetic about their wrongdoings. We should treat others in a way that we hope they will treat us.

orie****:

The anniversary event isn’t important. What’s important is the compensation for the victims. We should not offend Vietnam with some vain celebrations, and it would be more reasonable to use the event budget to treat war veterans suffering from defoliants. Interfering with another country’s civil war wasn’t something to be proud of, and commemorating it is tantamount to Abe’s visit to the Yasukuni Shrine.

gjy4****:

For our national interests, we need to refrain from marking the anniversary. Just as we got hurt by Japan, we should not hurt another country.

koso****:

Actually the deployment of our troops in the Vietnam War is a shameful part of our history. Our participation in the war is not something we can boast of. The dispatched troops killed numerous Vietnamese in the name of national interest. The participation in the war allowed South Korea to get economic assistance from the United States, but this is definitely not something we can be proud of. We need to realize that the Vietnamese bear animosity against the United States and South Korea as much as they love their war hero Ho Chi Minh. I hope we will try to do something to be sincerely forgiven for what the deployed troops committed against the Vietnamese.

navi****:

It’s true that our participation in the Vietnam War contributed to our economy, but many Korean soldiers and Vietnamese died or got hurt. If Vietnam doesn’t want us to mark the anniversary, I wish that the government will reduce the size of the event or hold it quietly.

iamh****:

How would we feel if China celebrated its participation in the Korean War?

tesu****:

My father is a veteran of the Vietnam War, and is recognized for his service to the nation under a special defoliant act. I completed my mandatory military service in Gangwan Province. My father said, “South Korea owed a lot to Vietnam.” I think we need to acknowledge that we committed wrongdoings and seek forgiveness from victims of the war first of all. It is up to those victims that decide on whether to forgive us or not.

jjay****:

I am working in Vietnam. The local young Vietnamese are considerably friendly toward South Korea, contrary to my expectations. I think it’s due to the popularity of Korean TV dramas here. However, a controversy over South Korea’s responsibility in the Vietnam War remains in the back of people’s minds. Sometimes I have a talk over drinks with some Vietnamese friends about issues like civilian massacres and Lai Dai Han. Although I don’t speak Vietnamese very well, I noticed that their perception is much worse about Lai Dai Han than about the war atrocities.

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  • chucky3176

    5000 South Korean soldiers were killed, 10,000 more were wounded, and tens of thousands of former soldiers died/still suffering from Agent Orange. Because they fought for the freedom of South Vietnam. This is ridiculous, South Korea’s involvement in Vietnam War. In no way is this equivalent to Japan’s colonizing of South Korea, Japanese military sanctioned mass killings, and germ experiments on Koreans. But I know that’s the favorite last straw argument from the Japanese. South Korean troops were ASKED TO HELP to thwart Communism, by governments of South Vietnam and the US. The South Korean troops who committed atrocities did them on their own, they represented no-one, and in no way did they represent Korean government or military policies. In short, they were just criminals, just like South Vietnamese, North Vietnamese, and American soldier criminals who committed atrocities also, in a very dirty, horrible, confusing, stressful, and sadistic war, where you could not differentiate friends from enemies. The vast majority of South Korean troops in Vietnam served honourably, and did not commit any atrocities. If South Vietnam had won this war, and reunited Vietnam under South Vietnam’s rule, they would not have asked this from Korea, instead, Vietnam would have celebrated with Korea.

    • Afro

      First of all – what Japan has to do with mass killing of Vietnamise by South Korean troops?

      • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

        Chucky is anti-Japanese, so pretty much anything that shows Korea in a bad light (such as these atrocities) will be compared to Japan. Just like those Japanese who upload Korean atrocities in Vietnam to counter the negatives about Japan that is gotten from Korea.

        • redwhitedude

          Chucky is anti-Japanese? Wow. Talk being high on something.

          • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

            I would say read his posting history, but he doesn’t keep a profile. Read his comments on anything related to Japan. I am stating what I see, not being high on something.

          • redwhitedude

            Read the history of the postings that he was responding to put it in proper context instead of lifting his postings without proper context.

          • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

            I have. Maybe you should do the same.

          • redwhitedude

            I wouldn’t be telling you this if I hadn’t done it.

          • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

            Considering you missed the point in one of my other comments, I find it hard to believe you.

          • chucky3176

            I wasn’t the one to bring the Japanese into this, until the Japanese netizen obsessive nature to upload videos of Koreans in Vietnam, with perfect example that Mighty posted in his link. Even their media and politicians getting into it by pointing out Koreans in Vietnam War, as some kind of a justification to say, “See what you guys did? It was far worse than what we did, so why are you guys harping on us all the time?”. And I also was responding to Korean netizen comments that also bring parallel with Japan in WWII. Did you even bothered to read the entire article or the comments before you jump on a board?

          • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

            I read the entire article. My comment wasn’t based on your comments just on this article Chucky.

          • noshitbutsmile

            First of all, Atrocities in Vietnum done by Koreans were real.

            The existence of Lai Dai-Hans from wartime and of comfortstations during Korean War all real.

            Secondary, The story of Nanking Massacre and Unit 731 experiments are not real. too much fabrications and people were obssessed too much by Iris Chan and Brainwash.com.

            3rdly, Korea was not colonized but annexed by Japan based on International law and you were all Japanese at that time.
            Lastly, In November 1961, Park Chung-hee proposed South Korean participation in the war to John F. Kennedy, but Kennedy disagreed first. You guys raied hands from yourself seeking for lots of things instead.

          • takasar1

            Chucky’s fanboys will always disagree with you. Don’t bother
            arguing with them. They seem as deluded as he is

          • redwhitedude

            It’s you that is deluded here.

          • takasar1

            yeah…ok chief

          • redwhitedude

            Sure thing. Come back when you are sober.

          • takasar1

            no thanks, dealing with koreaboos requires a large amount of alcohol

          • redwhitedude

            Stay away then.

          • takasar1

            you stay away

        • chucky3176

          Ridiculous.

        • It_is_true?

          You absolutelly right. He is ein Arschloch.

      • redwhitedude

        Don’t know. Chucky wasn’t the one that was originally drawing the parallel.

      • chucky3176

        Please read the article of this subject. The article says it right here:

        “In addition, many netizens talked about how public support for the Vietnam War could undermine their own efforts to get Japan to stop honoring its colonial aggression.”

    • Mighty曹

      It’s plausible that they did serve honorably according to ‘their beliefs’. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were misled or deceived into believing that they were in fact killing VC’s and not innocent civilians. But in wars, it’s better to be safe than sorry so it was easy to assume everyone as an enemy and eliminate them.

      There were also Korean senior officers who carried out summary executions of his soldiers caught raping civilians. So that is also seen as honorable.

      • redwhitedude

        Those atrocities were isolated cases unlike what Japan did which was the high command approving of “recruitment” of “comfort” women for troops all over.

        • reality check!

          Right, in 2001 President Kim DaeJung apologized to the Vietnamese people. Simple and direct.
          In addition the Korean people acknowledge the mistakes made. No down playing, no euphemism no denial…

        • Mighty曹

          That’s why I said this “This should NOT be compared to how Japan honors its war time heroes (criminals).”

          • reality check!

            I know you said that… I READ IT ABOVE!!!! can I NOT add to others or even your comments with more facts?

            Where did I make you think I was posting in argument against yours?

          • Mighty曹

            Woa woa, chill….. Why are you going off on me? I merely repeated what I said to reinforce my agreement with you. How can you misconstrue that?

            *Are you also ‘redwhitedude’? I need a ‘reality check’ here.

          • reality check!

            Apologizes man… I misread your comment… long night when I posted that response.

            Redwhitedude tis not moi.

            Mind you I tend to side with his posts, but we are not the same. ^__^

            Again my apologies!

          • Mighty曹

            No problem. There are times I misread too. Takes a great man to admit his mistake and even a greater one to apologize. And twice at that. :D

    • It_is_true?

      I just wonder people like you know nothing about Vietnam, but talk so much about in and some time even play with what if … Scenario.

      Just let you know. If south Vietnam win….American will rule like it doing in s korea now.

      • Tôi fuck Việt Nam

        mẹ đồ ngu!

  • HaydenG

    Korean people are nice but often so out of touch with reality. Their view of the world is shaped more often by emotion than by logic or reason. The vietnam war was a critical fight against the spread of communism and almost identical to the same war to liberate korea from communism which has wreaked havoc in the north.

    • markus peg

      Agreed, though the war was lost by the south, US and Korea.
      So should anyone celebrate 50th anniversary? No
      Should they remember what happened and the dead, maybe with a minutes silence? I would say yes. That also includes the tragic killing of civilians which should be remembered without being celebrated.

      So in conclusion my opinion is that a tasteful memory of events without celebrations is whats needed.

      • It_is_true?

        But koreans like guns, wars and violence. ==> they rather celebrate.

        • redwhitedude

          Really? Have you been to Korea. There are foreigners who say Korea is very safe.

    • It_is_true?

      Korean people are only nice to european, us and japanese people. Because they have complexes. To the rest…. The are out of touch with reality.

      • takasar1

        well, yeah but…

      • redwhitedude

        Sure…

    • jon777

      Out of touch with reality seems to be an Asian thing. No wonder though, their education, media and cultures are is very ethnocentric, unlike in the west where most of the things we learn in history class is how shitty Europeans were and still are.

  • Mighty曹

    The Korean soldiers were THE most feared fighters in the Vietnam War for a reason. There are numerous articles depicting their brutality. Even the South Vietnamese soldiers were afraid of them. One story was about the SV soldiers, upon seeing an approaching unit of Korean soldiers, turned into the paddies on either side of the road they were marching on rather than meet them. A memorable North Vietnamese quote is, “The Americans were the invaders but the Koreans were the accompanying devils”.

    Having said that, this should NOT be compared to how Japan honors its war time heroes (criminals).

    Btw: Watch these great movies: R-Point; White Badge

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UslLqy1tu44

    • War is cruel

      Everytime I see Koreans killing Vietnamese video, it’s always some Japanese guy uploading them with sensational titles. What’s up with that? It’s as if Japanese are more upset about this than the Vietnamese themselves. lol..

      • Mighty曹

        Haha… I didn’t even notice that. I should notate that on the link.

      • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

        The Japanese aren’t upset about that. They are doing basically what people do. “We did it, but so did you!” Kind of comment. It is a shame China, Korea and Japan couldn’t put the past behind them.

        • redwhitedude

          If they weren’t upset then why are they responding like this with videos that clearly indicate they are going out of their way to smear Koreans?

          • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

            Maybe I should have said ‘The Japanese aren’t upset about the atrocities the Koreans committed in Vietnam’ – I was responding to the comment that related to that. For someone who asks people to read the context of people’s responses, you should take your own advice.

        • reality check!

          They sure argue like they are…

          • redwhitedude

            Yeah especially with loons like Yoko Mada.

        • A Pinky Promise

          36 years of colonization = one time war participation because the south part of that country asked to ??
          I don’t understand Japanese logic

        • It_is_true?

          Nope, koreans celebrate it, so japanese will do it some day.

      • redwhitedude

        It seems like they are using this to smear Koreans. Pretty common tactic on their part.

        • fjs100

          Not much different to what Koreans do to Japanese though. They’ve got entire organisations dedicated to doing so in Korea.

          • Sillian

            When it comes to ‘entire organizations’, you gotta give due credit to Japanese nationalist groups who take their ‘job’ very seriously.

          • redwhitedude

            which “organisations” might it be in Korea? It’s pretty obvious just based on youtube videos who is doing to whom.

      • It_is_true?

        Ofcourse we are upset too. But a) we are not winning like koreans and b) what will you do with so much stupidity among the koreans.
        BTW, The Japanese just want to say how double standard you guys are.

      • chris

        you act as if those types of videos about the Japanese don’t exist by Korean and Chinese people. its like those people who look up Korean or Japanese cars and bash on them simply because of where they come from. conservatives do the same things everywhere. they spread hate propaganda.

    • wangkon936

      No doubt about it. Charlie was scared of those ROKs.

      • Mighty曹

        If the ROK’s were such badassesI can imagine how much more brutal the KPA is.

      • It_is_true?

        Oh yes. As Vietnamese, i am very “scare” about korean. We try to take distance to the country and the people.
        If you guy are so patriotic to your country and love your people, then your country will be not split and awaiting for the next big war. It might be the last. So, should i as a Vietnamese in a united Vietnam scare about you guy? Please help me to find some reason.

        • Mighty曹

          You are misunderstanding everybody’s point here. Your are a typical overzealous ultra patriot who is defensive of everything that’s commented, good or bad, about your country. How can you live like that?

          • It_is_true?

            In which points i do missunderstand you guys?
            Charlie was scared bla bla…
            When yankee come to VN they looking down at the Vietnamese and call us Charlie. In 1973 when run out of vietnam they call (with more respect) the NVA (north vietnamese army).
            Now, one of you call us charlie and you tell me i missunderstand you guys.

          • Mighty曹

            He was obviously referring to how the NVA was called back then because we were talking about that point in time. It’s not like he’s calling you a Charlie now.

    • ElectricTurtle

      I’m not surprised. The commander of the Korean expeditionary force was General Chae Myung-shin who was a commander of a guerilla force during the Korean War. He knew how to grind commies to powder. Hell, in Operation Oh Kak Kyo his forces killed over 800 and took only a couple dozen casualties themselves, and again in Operation Hong Kil Dong (yes that was the real name), his forces killed over 600 with another couple dozen losses.

      • vincent_t

        Were he and his troops trained during the korean war? I have studied the korean war quite a bit, man when the North invaded, the South was totally helpless and vunelrable. Even the US condemn the inefficiency of the south military.

      • Mighty曹

        Thanks for that info. General Chae Myung-shin’s eye brows look like a Buddhist monk’s but he was lethal in battle. They were the deadlier Green Berets of the ROK.

        • It_is_true?

          Wonderfull for korea. So sick.

      • It_is_true?

        Holly cow. The whole s korean can proud on him. You guys must be very sick. What is so artistic about. The japanese must did worst things in korea. One thing is clear. There are no peace in korea in future. This is karma. Sooo sick people.

        • Yes_it_is_true!

          And you believe anyone who posts here are Korean? Both ElectricTurtle and Mighty are not Koreans, and at least half the people in the forum as well.

    • nqk123

      I think there has been a misconception about korean soldiers being the most feared fighters. according to many of the north vietnamese i met during my visit: the korean soldiers were not feared because of their fighting abilities, but rather, their cruelty toward civilians.

      • It_is_true?

        Why should the N Vietnamese fear the S korean? They are just American’s dogs ….. And just doing dirty jobs in VN. They are the reasons why Japan do not feel sorry about ….. the past. It is double standard.

        • nqk123

          Wtf r u barking about. I was trying be clear about people thinking that the korean soldiers were good fighters. In fact they weren’t, they were only feared among unarmed civilians for their brutality against them. Also, i don’t think u are a s vietnamese

          • It_is_true?

            I just pick up the though from “Mighty”. It is not a direct answer to you comments.

    • It_is_true?

      In deed, they are good, dumb fighters. Fighting for nothing but with full speed and brutallities. But they want Japan apology…..

  • Danny

    I am Vietnamese and my dad was a Naval officer in the South Vietnamese navy.He stated that S. Koreans were good fighters. He never mention that they were cruel soldiers. He was very thankful for fighting aside such honorable men. Honestly, we Vietnamese have no problem with Koreans. The past is the past. Korea is a country we want to model ourselves after and not China that is for sure. We are sorry that some of your sons did not return home and may their souls rest peacefully in heaven. After 50 years of non-stop wars, we are happy to be living in peace.

    • takasar1

      in that case i feel bad for your country, after all, all the important people seem to be following china’s example very carefully in terms of economics and politics

      • linette lee

        The Vietnamese shouldn’t follow the Chinese too closely. They need to have their own identity. They are their own nation with rich history and their own culture and language. I think in the past they are too much influenced by China. They should learn to have their own identity and keep separate from China and Chinese. Don’t follow China economics and politics.

        • nqk123

          the north is more influenced by china, the south are more influenced by the west. i visited both north and south, that what i felt/saw

        • takasar1

          Who cares about what they ‘should’ or ‘shouldn’t’ do, the
          fact is that they followed china’s success very carefully, it’s a model where the elite quickly realize that economics come before morals and that they can keep a lid on dissent simply by rapidly increasing income per capita. Vietnamese leaders have followed this very closely. As for Vietnam, its future, like japan’s, korea’s, and the rest of asia’s, is tied to china in a way that cannot be undone, whether they like the chinese or not, they will always be under china’s shadow and subject to its influence.

          • It_is_true?

            I though you dont care….

          • takasar1

            i dont, i’m stating fact

        • It_is_true?

          Vienam, we know the chinese and we are always aware of….

          • redwhitedude

            Yes and you are following the chinese.

      • It_is_true?

        No need to feel bad for us. Vietnam is in a good position like never before. Danny, he just know about Vietnam from his corrupted father.

        • Danny

          Is_It_true
          Why are you acting like such an uneducated person? Are you really Viet or a Chinese Viet trying to stir up trouble? First of all, the S. Koreans my dad fought with, were honorable men. My dad never witness any atrocities committed by the S Koreans he fought along with. I never stated that those events did not occur. We know it did occur but he never witnessed it himself. You expect my dad to lie and say he saw it? He is only stating the experience he went through. You can’t make a stupid assumption that all S Koreans committed atrocities. Remember they were also under US command. Whose to say they did out of orders from higher up? You sit there and judge my dad and called him a traitor? I will not sit here and justified your illogical thinking. How can you say that all the S Korean troops did it. You got to remember this war, and a soldier has to follow his/her orders period Though my dad fought for the south, did it mean he truly hated North Vietnamese? When I was younger I asked him, did you ever killed someone during the war? He did not stated clearly but he did say he did what he was ordered to do. He never bragged about if or how many VC he killed. To him, he saw a VC just like him. He didn’t want to make a child fatherless. He doesn’t blame the VC for the war but he does blame Ho Chi Minh for causing the war. Second, the S Koreans were not invading Vietnam like China. They were there because they were asked by the US. You think the S Koreans wanted to be there? Finally, I do feel sorry for Vietnam now. They follow China like a dog who lost his way. China is a just a manufacturing country. If you look at Korea and Japan, they can create jobs for their people. Korea has Samsung, LG, Hyundai, etc. Japan has Toyota, Honda, Panasonic, Sony, etc. China economy succeeds becaues they have a billion people. Smaller countries like Vietnam, S Korea, Japan, must rely on creating jobs for its people. That is why I said S Korea and Japan economic is more ideal.

          • noshitbutsmile

            S Koreans were there because they were asked by the US—-Absolutely wrong! S Korea under President Pak volunteered, raised hands although uninvited for many reasons.

          • Monarch

            I pity you for listening to your Father’s BS!

    • Mighty曹

      Obviously you didn’t hear it from the North’s side.

    • nqk123

      south vietnam didn’t experience a lots shit like the north. that why the south are more friendly to foreigners. people in the north doesn’t says anything, but still hold lots of resentments. also, unlike some others nations who went full throttle on propaganda against past enemies. the viet preferred to let the past be the past. rarely do they tell their war stories to their children. most of them only chit chat about the past with their war buddies. visited vietnam several times

      • chucky3176

        In terms of atrocities (direct man to man contact atrocities, I’m not talking about indirect mass bombings or shellings which lead to mass casualties), the Vietnamese themselves (both South and North) were far far worse than any of the allied soldiers in the war. Read Tim Page’s Pulizer Prize winning Vietnam War book which depicts unimaginable horrors inflicted on each other by both south and north Vietnamese on each other – unmatched cruelty by any of the foreign armies in Vietnam. I suspect that’s why it’s much easier to forget, when your own people weren’t exactly angels to each other.

        • nqk123

          i don’t think that the whole case. this very much have to do with selective history in education and government suppressing anger. if the government start bombarding people with all the crap that happen right after the war, there is no doubt animosity will spread like fire. the current viet generation are somewhat lacking in understanding of their own country’s history.

          • It_is_true?

            Sound arogant. You guys even not allow to know about your own history. Only red scare blame games are allow in s korea. I maybe know more about korea than you. Bc i am allow to know.

          • Mighty曹

            Arrogant + I know more than you = Hypocrite

        • It_is_true?

          What the fuck you talking from? You are angel and we Vietnamese are cruel? You must be a dumb white american. Read real history books and not Hollywood movies man. Dumme Arschloch.

          • Jahar

            Did you even read his post?

          • redwhitedude

            Obviously not. This guy is dedicated to bash Korea no matter what.

          • It_is_true?

            There are reasons for, dont you think?

          • redwhitedude

            Yeah like trying to smear Korea with gross misinterpretations and in some cases lies.

          • It_is_true?

            Bla. Bla. Is not important. … More is what he want to say.

        • seoulite

          So, if members of another country committed larger atrocities (in terms of amount casualties and fatalities), then there is no moral obligation on the part of those committing atrocities that are smaller in scale?

          If that’s the case, why are you on here bemoaning Japan’s lack of contrition for the Nanjing massacre? Afterall Mao killed millions more than the Japanese did, and he’s also Chinese. It’s also widely reported that Koreans, too, on both sides, committed a lot of unreported massacres during the Korean war. Far more than the Japanese did in that country.

          See the problem with your hypocritical logic?

          • chucky3176

            No, there is no hypocritic logic here. Japanese deny there were any massacres period, and they look back to their military invasions of Asia as not invasions and glorify them as in Yasukuni. That is the real problem here, not the fact that they committed atrocities. Furthermore, the massacres and war crimes were Japanese government policies, endorsed by the empire of Japan, often denied by a huge swath of Japanese government and their public – completely different animal to runaway units committing war crimes on their own like Americans in Korean War, Koreans in Korean War/Vietnam War, etc.

          • seoulite

            ‘Japanese deny there were any massacres period’

            Which ones? All of the Japanese?

            ‘Furthermore, the massacres and war crimes were Japanese government policies, endorsed by the empire of Japan’

            In that case, what has the government of SK done to prosecute these war criminals? If they have done nothing, they have endorsed it, since to ignore wholesale murder of civilians, repeatedly, is to tacitly endorse these actions.

          • redwhitedude

            What about the Nanjing massacre? BTW did the Japanese ever get around to apologize over the Bataan Deathmarch? The US did apologize for the internment of Japanese Americans.

    • It_is_true?

      Did your father told you that the s korean are good rapist and cilvilians killers also. If not, he must be either very dumb or corrupted. Just let u know before u say some thing, i am a (south) Vietanmese too.

      • Jahar

        People from every country, in every war, ever, have been good civilian killers and rapists. Many people would do it to their own, during war, too. War brings out the worst in people.

        • It_is_true?

          You absolutelly right. War is simple bad. So, there are nothing proud on it.

          • redwhitedude

            Especially with Koreans? Right? Not Japanese or Chinese but Koreans?

    • JJ

      I am Vietnamese American. I never heard of Korean soldiers being bad to South Vietnamese. They helped South Vietnamese torturing VietCong for intel info, that is war against your enemies, people should not generalize and discredit their service based on the actions of some bad soldiers who went crazy under pressure. South Vietnamese appreciated the help. Most of the 2 million Vietnamese currently living abroad, outside of Vietnam, appreciate S. Korea’s assistance. And also the Vietnamese in the South although they would not be able to express/speak freely in VN under communist dictatorship. The service of ROK soldiers should be recognized, just like American Vietnam Vets in the US. Read Chucky’s comments, he is right on point! As for the North Vietnamese who killed so many South Vietnamese and took over the South, do they expect their enemies to offer the other cheek? Most North Vietnamese during the war are like North Koreans now, they lived in fear of VietCong against their will, they repeat government propaganda as a habit. Don’t be so naive listening to them.

      • It_is_true?

        Propaganda? Use your brain? Vietnam civil war was created by france and then US. South vietnamese kill north Vietnamese and vice versa. This is wrong in our history and nothing to be proud on this. But if you justify and foreigners to kill your own people, shame on you. I dont think your father will be proud on you. If he is not, you are just a new modern trash. Useless.
        Or you think your kids will be proud on you in one day?

      • nqk123

        This is y i said current generation of vietnamese are lacking of an understanding about their own history. I’m not even viet and i still know more than them. U better hit the book and learn the real history kid.

        • It_is_true?

          You are right. Most of them are catch in the dilema. Their south vietnamese corrupted army fathers tell them his own making (lies) story. Now they are confuse and reject every truth.

          • nqk123

            the north didn’t do so well either. i visited vietnam several times, i know. i shouldn’t be the one defending south viet soldiers but here you go: your economy, their contribution are over 11 billions/year. they protested china claim on spratly island, they send evident back to vietnam to support the claim, and there are a numbers of oversea vietnamese international laws/history experts who are looking for more evident to make the claim even stronger. you keep calling them corrupted this corrupted that, but i don’t see anything better coming from the you guy. they don’t agree with communist rule doesn’t they don’t love country. anyway, this is between you guy. so whatever

          • It_is_true?

            You absolutelly right. Certain thing, the north are not doing better. For me as vietnamese they are just a better evil. They dont have other choice either based on history.
            But you have to admit, Vietnam as a splitted country like Korea is not the best solution either. Because most vietnamese want unity. And we have to pay certain price for.

      • Saisyet

        That’s true. Vietnamese abroad and South Vietnamese support the war effort of South Korea and the United States against the communist North. The only reason present day Vietnam does not is because the North Vietnamese now rule Vietnam. Ironically South Korea might have been overtaken by North Korea now if countries didn’t support their war effort against the North.

    • It_is_true?

      After all the info about what koreans doing in VN you still deny it. You are a traitor to your own people like your ignorant father. Sad to this kind of vietnamese. But now they go to vietnam and make business with Vietnam’s gov and call other communist. Damn on you.

    • ryz

      i’m filipino, it’s too bad they look down on south east asians here in korea

  • takasar1

    well, i have my own solution to this little ‘problem':

    get a grip and move on, stop blaming your own soldiers for wartime atrocities and ignore the Japanese atrocities too. move forward with your own development and forget about the past; why glorify/remember atrocities? even in Europe we dont go to such crazy lengths as you.

    • It_is_true?

      Yes. They sit in the hole and digging.

      • takasar1

        of course, better than hanging yourself i guess

        • It_is_true?

          Better is stop digging.

          • takasar1

            better is learning english

          • It_is_true?

            My education and language capability is maybe better than your. Du dumme arogante europaer. You want to sell me story that the europeans dealing with the issues better? If you tell me where you come from, i can deliever you the evidents

            People tend to correct other grammar when they are short an arguments.

          • takasar1

            i no want to sell you story about europeans, i tell you truth, no need for ‘evidents’, me suggest you go solve country problems, not waste time on internet. me also advise you not assume me european. people with incorrect ‘grammar’ have no business making arguments should learn language first

          • It_is_true?

            Fuck you. You should start to learn chine soon. You will come not far with your american junklish in europe.
            I will see how good you do in chinese no one on this earth are so bad in language learning but have the biggest mouth. American do not speak enlish anyway. So shut up septic Tank. Did you give up your korean and replaced it junklish and know very proud on this. But i dont give a shit about it.

          • It_is_true?

            Some time you are european and some time you are an banana (outside yellow, inside white) right?

    • It_is_true?

      You play a european here but denied later then (see above).
      WTF are you. A banana? Outside yello but inside white?
      But you junklish is good.

  • lesrallizes

    Tae Yang Kwak UN-TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION: For its part, ever since the Đổi Mới, market liberalization, policy in the 1980s, the Communist government of Vietnam has silenced its own citizens from criticizing the South Korean role in the Vietnam War (1964-1973), including civilian massacres, in order to encourage and not jeopardize Korean capital investment. The strategy has been economically successful in that South Korea quickly became and remains the leading foreign investor in Vietnam. The Vietnamese economy has been growing at a tremendously encouraging rate in the last couple decades. In addition, currently, more than one-third of all rural marriages in South Korea are “international marriages” with the most number of brides coming from Vietnam. Now on the 50th year anniversary of the deployment of ROK combat troops for the Vietnam War, the Vietnamese government is asking in turn that South Koreans keep quiet as well.

    • redwhitedude

      If ROK doesn’t accede to their wishes who knows they could easily all the sudden let all that criticism pop up.

  • Chucky3176

    Here are couple of atrocities committed by North Vietnam, the same government that rules today.

    In just two examples of the scale of cruelty:

    Battle of Hue, 1968: North Vietnamese and Viet Cong troops tortured and executed 6000 civilians and South Vietnamese POW’s, then buried them alive.

    Dak Son, 1967: North Vietnamese wiped out an entire village of 2000 Montagnard civilians, in a revenge attack.

    And according to Wiki:

    VC terror squads, in the years 1967 to 1972, assassinated at least 36,000 people and abducted almost 58,000 people.[119]Statistics for 1968-72 suggest that “about 80 percent of the terrorist victims were ordinary civilians and only about 20 percent were government officials, policemen, members of the self-defence forces or pacification cadres.”[120] NVA/VC forces murdered between 106,000 and 227,000 civilians between 1954 and 1975 in South Vietnam.[121] Up to 155,000 refugees fleeing the final North Vietnamese Spring Offensive were killed or abducted on the road to Tuy Hòa in 1975.[122] See: VC/NVA use of terror.

    The South Korean troops who were sent there, were sent to do a job to stop those crimes against humanity and stop communism. They didn’t go there to expand Korea’s territory or colonize Vietnam. The unfortunate thing is that the effect of terrorist warfare where the enemy were civilians by day and Viet Cong at night, turned some of the desensitized Korean soldiers into resenting and being hateful of the Vietnamese, and they ended up crossing that line.

    • It_is_true?

      The s. Korea soldiers were sent to Vietnam to fight the VC. But what are they doing when they are not fighting? They kill and rape civilian like most US soldier. Right chuck? If u dont believe, ask your J. Kerry.
      One thing is clear. Vietnam will not have civil war if there are US involve and s korea are not in VN if there are no American shit…..

      • Sillian

        Nobody says South Korean soldiers did not commit atrocities during the war but South Korean units also provided construction and medical assistance for South Vietnamese civilians.

        In late December 1964, after a request from the Republic of Vietnam, the Korean government organized an engineer construction support group to assist the Vietnamese armed forces in restoring war-damaged areas in furtherance of Vietnamese pacification efforts. During the period February to June 1965, a Korean construction support group, a Korean Marine Corps engineer company, Korean Navy LST’s and LSM’s, and a Korean Army security company were dispatched. These elements, totaling 2,416 men, designated the Republic of Korea Military Assistance Group, Vietnam, were better known by their nickname, Dove Unit.

        http://www.history.army.mil/books/Vietnam/allied/ch06.htm

        http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675054278_South-Korean-troops_food-center_Vietnamese-children_sewing-schools

        http://archives.kdemo.or.kr/PhotoView?pPhotoId=00755388

        • It_is_true?

          If the Koreans come to Vietnam only for help. I would love to thank the Koreans for that. But it is not.
          So, dont comes with this double standard. It is simple not true. They killl, rape and ….

          • chucky3176

            South Koreans were extremely disciplined, and the high command frawned upon rapes. Soldiers who were caught raping civilians were not only court martialed, but they were also shot or hung – often covered in news local medias if you go back in time. I’m not saying no rapes happened, some elements of the units may have gotten away with it, but I do think the rapes were pretty rare. I think that distinct honor should go to the Vietnamese soldiers, especially the South Vietnamese soldiers who were often corrupt and mistreated their own fellow South Vietnamese citizens. It’s one reason why they lost the hearts and minds of the people, and why South Vietnam fell to the Communists.

          • It_is_true?

            So, koreans are mostly angels ( just some are evil). Most s vietnamese are evil. WTF you talking from. Are you serious? You are korea. You know vietnam war over US’s media. I am vietnamese and growing up in vietnam war. I should have more real information about it.

          • redwhitedude

            Are you sure you are vietnamese? It sounds you could be Japanese who goes out of his way to bash Korea.

          • Sillian

            I don’t think you understand what ‘double standard’ means. You sound like a broken record now. Nobody said South Korean soldiers did not commit atrocities during the war.

          • It_is_true?

            Double standard is when Koreans celebrate the event when they sent their soldiers to Vietnam to kill and rape vietnamese people, but the same time they requested Japan’s apology for the past and felling hurt when Abe visit the shrine.
            You dont call is double standard?

          • Sillian

            It is not like some yay hooray kind of celebration. It is a commemorative event. If South Vietnam had won the war, it would be a legitimate event to hold with Vietnam but they did not win so there is not much point.

            South Korea sent their soldiers to Vietnam to fight communists along with South Vietnam. Everyone knows innocent civilians were harmed during the war but saying South Korean troops were there just to kill and rape Vietnamese people for the sake of harming them doesn’t sound truthful.

          • Mighty曹

            That’s where the misunderstanding arise. I think the article used the wrong choice of word in ‘celebration’.

          • chucky3176

            The original Korean article doesn’t say “celebration”. The one who translated the article was the one who said “celebration”. I don’t know if that was on purpose or an ulterior motive to bash the South Korean conservative government.

            It’s just harmless memorial or tribute by the South Korean military to honor their men who served in Vietnam. Nothing to do with glorifying the war or ‘celebrating’. It’s a commemoration by the military, most Koreans who are not in military, don’t even know it’s happening, nor care. Those who do care, thinks the memorial shouldn’t even happen.

          • It_is_true?

            The reall south vietnam never asking the korean. They even not want the US army to be their. This it shit what they told you. Koreans asking the US to volunteer.

          • Sillian

            The South Vietnamese government officially acknowledged South Korean assistance. Are you even claiming the South Vietnamese government did not want assistance from the US? Can you back it up?

          • It_is_true?

            Yes. President Diem denied the US army to be there so he got kill by the CIA. So, the south people stand up against the US too. Not only the North.
            After this crime the US house has passed a new laws and do not allow to kill leaders of allies any more. Go and seach. They just told you a lot of shit.

          • It_is_true?

            You can denied it and play the Japanese – Korean game., but i make you guys reponsible for it.

          • Mighty曹

            Really, you’re getting this all wrong. I respect how you’re passionately voicing your feelings. Hopefully later you will re-read all that is said here and see that what most people are saying is not what you are interpreting now.

            Personally, I love Vietnam. I was in HCMC and traveled up north. I thought the people in the North hate the Americans more than anyone. When I was in Hanoi, the tour guide that I hired took it upon himself to take me to a school that was bombed by B-52’s.

          • It_is_true?

            Ofcourse, you would do it the same if they kill your family and people.

      • chucky3176

        As Sillian pointed out, South Koreans did much more in helping the South Vietnamese people, than a few rotten apples who did harm. If you ask what the hell Koreans were doing in Vietnam, a lot of Koreans are asking the same thing. But there is a fact, the fact that the government of South Vietnam kept asking South Korea to help. Maybe the partial blame should lie with government of South Vietnam at that time? As you can read the Korean comments above, most Koreans treat the Korean Vietnam Vets as criminals and they are unfairly demonized for doing the jobs that their country asked them to do.

        To be honest, you sound like a total ass, but I don’t want to get into an argument with you, since I have no beef against Vietnam or Vietnamese.

        • It_is_true?

          The S Vetnam is like the S korea goverment at this time… Independent. The US deceided everything. I, personelly would shame for, if i go to korea and kill civilians because the North Korea gov. Asking the Vietanmese Gov. for “help”
          Most people blame other but never take resposibility for what they doing.

          • chucky3176

            I really don’t know what your issue is here. Those people who you hate, are all old men now, most of them are treated as war criminals in Korea, half of them are dying or already died of Agent Orange, are living/lived in poverty because the Korean government abandoned them, and many of them severely maimed and mentally deranged because of the war. They are treated as outcasts, not heroes, and nobody talks about Vietnam War, while half the young people in South Korea don’t even know that Koreans were in that god forsaken war.

            As for not taking responsibility, mind you, it was the Korean newspaper, Hankyoreh in 1999, whose reporters broke the news about the Vietnam War atrocities and took the lead in investigation of the atrocities, and demanded Korea apologize. If they didn’t do that, I doubt the Vietnam government would have said anything.

          • redwhitedude

            It’s pretty apparent that he is bashing Korea no matter what. It_is_true? is making an a– of himself.

  • It_is_true?

    I see a lot of sick koreans on this platform and they are very proud on their history about what they did in Vietnam. As a vietnamese i ask my self, what the fucking koreans doing in vietnam? We, vietnamese never doing any harm to one korean. I recognized on this forum that korean are very militant like jung kids and have big tolerance to violences but in the reality lead to nothing.
    Koreans sitting deep in the “hole” of war and what they doing are digging. I dont need a brain to predict Korea’s future. This is Karma. What’s goes around comes around. Guys, united your country first before try to mess with Vietnamese. But this require more than just guns, killing and raping.
    You guys had open my eyes and changed my view. Thanks.
    BTW it is funny to see what koreans requested from the japanese.

    • redwhitedude

      You must have an anti Korean agenda. Don’t know where you get the idea that Koreans in vietnam during the war were out to screw up vietnam.

      • It_is_true?

        Korea’s soldiers should not be in vietnam and killing and raping vietnamese people. Vietnam never attack korea, so they have no reason to be there (Vietnam).

        • Mighty曹

          You can blame the US, indirectly. S.Korea was pressured into joining the conflict.

          • It_is_true?

            At this time the pressure was on the German, Japan, France, England and…. Also. But this countries did not send their soldiers to kill us. There are no reasons for. But korea did. And now they celebrate. I am against them, not because they are too weak to resist the US. But i hate them because they celebrate what they did to the vietnamese people.
            Would you not do the same?

          • chucky3176

            I’m not sure where you get the ideal that there is any celebration of that war, or celebration of “what they did to Vietnam people”.

          • It_is_true?

            My father and world histories tell me that korea’s soldiers kill and rape our vietnamese people. Now is your turn to show me that they did not.
            Who allows the korea’s soldiers put their feet on vietnam soil? wrong……so much wrong.

          • chucky3176

            Can you please re-read my question and answer it?

          • It_is_true?

            Why Koreans come to our countries and killing, raping us.
            You answer my question.
            Dont come with…….because some one asking for.

          • It_is_true?

            Vietnam and Korea never have conflicts before. We are not at war this time. But you guys sent soldiers to killing and raping our people. And now you guy celebrate the days you guys sent the soldiers. What is the purposes of this parties? So, you tell me.

          • chucky3176

            Nobody’s ‘celebrating’ this day, certainly not the Vietnam War. I’m in my 30’s, and when I was going to school in Korea, the Vietnam War wasn’t even taught and lot of us didn’t even know there were Koreans fighting in that war. Things are probably different now, with the school materials, but back in those days, Vietnam War was never discussed, not in schools and not in the medias. Even today, it’s not really a hot topic of discussions, although most Koreans look at that war with disgust, when they discuss Korean involvement. There’s a lot of hate, derision and disgust towards the Korean Vietnam War veterans who fought in that war, by major segments of the Korean public. Majority of them are thought of as war criminals by the Korean public, and they’re ostracized, certainly not honored and celebrated.

            The Korean military is the one honoring the men with this memorial (it’s not really ‘celebration’ as the translation of the article states). I bet if you ask Koreans in a poll, most of the will say they’re against the Korean military holding this memorial ceremonies. You’re reading way too much into this. Not many Koreans proud of Korean involvement in Vietnam War, and just want all the men who participated in it, to die, and be forgotten. That’s how South Korea treats their war veterans.

          • chucky3176

            Not exactly true. Latest documents discovered recently said otherwise. President Park Chung Hee volunteered his services. As well as the fact that 100% of the South Korean contingent to South Vietnam, were strictly volunteer soldiers. Park first volunteered to Kennedy in 1961 just before Kennedy was killed. Kennedy was a bit surprised and he said to Park, he will think it over. South Korea’s first president, Syngman Rhee in 1957 even volunteered to the French, to send South Korean soldiers as well, but the French turned them down. South Koreans, coming out of the Korean War at that time, were extremely anti-Communist, and Koreans were afraid that if Vietnam fell, then South Korea would be next. Park was also afraid that the US troops would be withdrawn from South Korea. He volunteered his troops so that the Americans will stay in Korea to defend against the North.

            That Americans pressured South Korea, was a favorite excuse used for many years. That no longer washes, when in fact the recorded documents from the national archives show, that wasn’t the case. There was a documentary in Korea about a year ago.

          • Mighty曹

            That is new to me. You’re right, all I’ve read and seen for years indicated that the CIA had a role in persuading the S.Koreans. And during that time, the CIA’s goal was to instill fear on the spread of communism. So anything any country did in favor for the US was automatically seen as a puppet act.

            Can you direct me to some reading material on the latest documents. I’m interested in catching up.

          • chucky3176

            It was in Korean news and a Korean documentary a while back. I don’t know if there’s any English language material on it either. I’ll try to find the Korean documentary for you. But I actually can see that this had nothing to do with American pressure. At that time, the times were very different from today, and South Korean governments reasonings were pretty clear:

            1) They remember the Commies, and hated the Commies to their guts, didn’t want all of Asia, including South Korea turn into one.

            2) They were afraid the US troops be withdrawn from South Korea, to fight in Vietnam. So they thought why not replace those US troops with South Korean troops?

            3) It was great opportunity to do business with Uncle Sam. Lot of US government contracts for South Korean civilian companies to build naval ports, make uniforms for US army, construct roads, bridges, etc etc.

            4) It was great opportunity to get economic and military aid from the US president who wanted “More Flags” for the War effort. With the Vietnam War, South Korean troops were fitted with US made M-16 rifles and got new Phantom F4 Jets, etc. From 1965 to 1973, South Korea got around $7 billion worth of US military and economic aid – which made Korean economy take off, and laid the foundations for Korea’s economic development.

            5) As for the individual soldiers who volunteered, there were so many who volunteered to go to Vietnam, they had to go through strict qualifications with very high competition rate. The average Korean soldier who were chosen, got a very high pay of $45 a month subsidized by the US government – which in those days, was an outstanding amount of money for soldiers mostly from poor families in Korea. For Koreans at that time, the military was the fastest way up the social ladder, and the best employer.

            6) The Korean public at that time, had a very strong underground opposition to the sending of troops. Since South Korea was a dictatorship, the opposition was mostly beneath the surface in the forms of student demonstrations. The Korean public were fed one sided media of their soldiers in Vietnam, with no mention of the controversies that were happening in the US.

          • Mighty曹

            I had most of the information here and there that didn’t amount to much on its own. Thanks for the digest.

          • It_is_true?

            I blame every one who comes to our country and killing and raping our people.
            Would you not do the same?

          • Mighty曹

            Yes, I would.

          • It_is_true?

            At lease we are on same page on this point.

        • Sillian

          I don’t know why you keep repeating yourself. Any atrocities are bad. No doubt about that. But as to why South Korea was in Vietnam, you know South Korea was an ally of South Vietnam. They were there to fight North Vietnam. South Vietnamese government requested and approved South Korean participation in the war.

          • It_is_true?

            You right. I am tire to repeat my self, bc you will and want not understand.
            Should vietnamese soldiers go to s korea for killing and rape your women, bc north korea asking for?
            Are people in korea running a round without responsiblities and do every thing if some one asking for.
            If you want or not. You guy are responsible for what your soldiers did in Vietnam.

          • Sillian

            There is nothing I don’t understand in your short and simple comments. Harming innocent civilians is always awful from any side. Nobody ever said that is okay, period. Helping allies is another matter. Nobody would want anybody to come to their country if their purpose was to kill their civilians for some weird reason but their help would be appreciated if they are there mainly to help their ally fight in case of bloody war. Atrocities caused by them during the war are a separate issue to deal with.

          • It_is_true?

            None sense. Event s vietnam did not want the US army to be in Vietnam, so the s vietnam president Ngo dinh Diem got killed by the CIA for that. And you tell me vietnam need help from south korea. This is american BS. Research it. The civil war start when the US army comes in. US want this war. So, no one want korea to be there. You guys just WANT to be there.

        • redwhitedude

          Where do you get the idea that they were there to do that?

          • viet ng

            Ha ha maybe he is just a Japanese in disguise? Lol. If he is real Vietnamese, he is doing a good job making all viets look bad. He’s probably brain washed by communist party doctrine which is the reason why Vietnam is still poor today

          • redwhitedude

            Most likely some japanese who is pretending to be vietnamese.

          • It_is_true?

            What do you have against Japanese?

          • BSDectective

            Because you may very well be a Japanese troll pretending to be a Vietnamese. It’s suspicious that you come on here out of nowhere, and we can’t check your profile either.

          • It_is_true?

            Let make business, money and forget about the past. Japan invest a lot in Vietnam now. More than korea.
            yhis is what you mean right Viet (Han). When do you plan to go with your family and bring dollars to the VC this year?
            Opportunist.

          • It_is_true?

            Most japanese i met are very discrete but never disguise.
            But i meet more southern disguise vietnamese young men.
            They just have dollars in mind. Sad.

          • It_is_true?

            I am not here to be looking good. It is all what you want in your life? To looking good? Yelly fish = no (back)bone.

          • It_is_true?

            You like to play stupid game? Go and educate your self.

          • redwhitedude

            lol. The education says that Koreans weren’t there to commit atrocities. Maybe you need to change your username to It_is_false? lol

          • It_is_true?

            So, you tell me the japanese goverment has sent their soldiers to Korea with the pupose to commit atrocities?

          • redwhitedude

            You got to work on you reading comprehension.

  • viet ng

    I’m a Vietnamese whose parents were boat people who fled from South Vietnam when communists took over. My parents lived in central coastal Vietnam where the Koreans operated and administered the areas. This is what my dad told me. I never heard anything bad about the Koreans from my parents. Just the opposite – Vietnamese who were living inside Korean areas had very high respect for Koreans who were more respected and were more popular than the Americans and the South Vietnamese armies. Thats because the koreans helped Vietnamese people a lot. They built schools, helped with rice harvests, and repaired buddhist temples. Koreans respected the vietnamese people as same asians. My parents also remember donations like clothes and blankets from south korea. They were also brave soldiers who provided very good security for our families to live safely without being afraid. The Americans on the other hand were very arrogant towards the Vietnamese people and they often got beaten by viet cong and end up calling for air strikes and artillery supports which always end up with high civilian casualties.

    • viet ng

      To continue, I don’t know why koreans got such bad rap. I think it’s because they are too hard on themselves. Nobody’s perfect. Mistakes happen and unfortunate things happen. Most Vietnamese don’t care and just look forward to future. South korea is Vietnam’s biggest investor and Vietnam’s exports are increasing fast because of Korean investments. Make money not war and why hate because of past? Who cares?

      • It_is_true?

        You put everything in one pot and make a good supp out of it.
        The investments from Korea have nothing to do with the killing and raping. You think korea’s people bring money to Vietnam to help us? No. Piority is to make money. So, there are two different shoes.
        Your duty is to tell your kids (next generations) the truths like your father tried to tell you what he knows.
        But the attitude ….. Just make money and dont care about the past is ignorance and dangerous. If we dont care, things can happen again. The women they rape can be your mother, sistesr or aunts too. If it the case, i dont think that you dont care.

        • Mighty曹

          Do you view all Germans as Nazis who supported genocide?

          • It_is_true?

            No. But who celebrate it … Yes.

          • redwhitedude

            You’re hopeless. Even if you were from the Northern part of Vietnam I doubt they think like you do now. How in the world do you “know” all this about Koreans if you probably haven’t even met Koreans? Another possibility is you are a Japanese masquerading as a vietnamese.

          • It_is_true?

            Bla… Bla… Bring facts man. Most you guys have PHD right. Start to argue with facts.
            It is not important what i know. It is more it is truth or not.
            I hope not all koreans are smart like you.

          • redwhitedude

            What do you think people have been asking for to back up your assertions that Koreans were cruel and raped people in vietnam? The only person saying that is you.

          • It_is_true?

            Are you blind? Even the koreans self on this forum admit this crime in Vietnam. My father told me and world history confirmed it.
            let me ask you. Base on what you guys think that the japanese did bad things in Korea?

          • Mighty曹

            Hahaha… my father once told me Santa lived in the North Pole.

          • It_is_true?

            Hey mighty Mighty. So you want to tell me thousand cuts and organs harvasting are not haven in your lovely country too, right? Or Santa Clause did it, not Chinese right? I gues your parent are from Cho Lon right?

          • Mighty曹

            Thousand cuts was devised in ancient China. Organs harvesting is done organized crime rings. What do these have to do with what you and your VC comrades did in Vietnam?

          • It_is_true?

            I see. Your china country and Mao are so wonderfull, but why most you guys running out? Why are you in CA and not in China, if there are no thousand cuts exist. It does not work this way Mighty.

          • Mighty曹

            Your stupidity just won’t quit. I never said China and Mao were wonderful. In fact, I’m very critical of China. I’m in CA for a reason, to leave China. Is that so hard to comprehend?

          • It_is_true?

            You play the dumb game. You deny thousand cuts from Mao. ==> you betrayed your people who got kill by him.
            Know you tell me you are not Mao’s fan.

          • Mighty曹

            What’s your obsession with the ‘thousand cuts’? You tell me what this ‘thousand cuts from Mao’ is about.

            At the mean time, tell me about this:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_at_Hu%E1%BA%BF

          • It_is_true?

            What about Tibet raping? Oganized by crime ring also?

          • Mighty曹

            China should get the hell out of Tibet. I support ‘Free Tibet’ organizations. Next!

          • It_is_true?

            So why you blame the VC with wiki info. Dont you think the bigger shit is in china. Why you dont mention it but try to blame the VC to put down the vietnamese?

          • It_is_false?

            That’s because the subject of the thread is the Dink government getting upset over Vietnam War atrocities. As if they didn’t do anything wrong, what kind of hypocrites are they? They killed and raped millions of their own, yet says nothing about them, ha ha ha ahaahahah.. hypocrites!

          • It_is_true?

            BS. It is all what a banana with an PHD can put on the table. Sad.

          • An American

            World historians say hundreds of thouands of Vietnamese were murdered and tortured and raped by North Vietnamese and VC’s. My father also told me how murderous and rapist you VC’s were. The only ones denying are the VC’s who only point their fingers at others. I’m just sad my grand dad in Vietnam, didn’t kill enough of you VC dinks when you sappers crossed the barbed wires and try to take the firebase over with a mass suicide human wave attack.

          • Mighty曹

            Oh sorry, I must be in the wrong topic.
            (I’m sure you won’t know I was being sarcastic)

          • It_is_true?

            You maybe right. Nanking raping was make up by Santa.

          • Mighty曹

            I never said the Rape of Nanking didn’t happen. As a matter of fact, I hate what the Japanese Imperial Army did to the Chinese civilians. But let’s talk about your VC’s atrocities in V’nam.

          • It_is_true?

            Ther are nothing about the VC like this. The world just record it from Mao and Pol Pot. If i am american, I would send you back to your great China. We united our country and ready to kick Mao and his sick kids in the ass.
            Dont ignore the facts mighty, Mighty.
            Sorry China is so screw up, bc kids like you dont learn from the past to save the future. It is not in Vietnam the case.

          • Mighty曹

            You’re the one in denial mode. You always conveniently deny what the VC’s did and deflect the subject to another place and time.

            Oh please do kick China’s ass for me. I want to see them go down.

          • It_is_true?

            I ask you before to bring me the facts, instead doing that, you play a dumb game. Vietnam american war was one of the hardest war. A lot of people dying. It was created by france then US.
            We dont kill our own people like the chinese do and doing.
            It is OK too, If you dont see it.

          • Mighty曹
          • It_is_true?

            If it happen, it is wrong. Freedom is precious. It is not compare what the Chinese, french and American did to us.
            BTW every one including you can write on wikimedia.
            CIA documents and other serious sourse of analysts are more reliable. You try to put the vietnamese in bad light but it does not work this way. Your knowledge about politics and war is low. It will not work this way.
            Your parent teach you nothing they maybe very busy with business and making money.

          • It_is_false?

            It’s “just wrong”? How come you can remain so calm when Vietnamese rape and murder millions of their own, instead of flipping out like you did on Koreans?

          • It_is_true?

            If it happen, then It is wrong like American soldiers rape million of vietnamese in the war. Ask your J Kerry. Dont play the red scare game and say i am a communist or anti america.
            It is simple not right what the koreans did in Vietnam and celebrate the event, but other hand they request from the japanese…….

          • An American

            Why would any American soldiers rape millions of dinks? All I ask is that if you hate my country so much, then get out of my country and go back to your poor rice farms and push your water buffalos. We took you off those boats, and this is the thanks we get… geeezzzzhhhh…

          • It_is_true?

            Go to hell and please shut up banana. You know nothing. I am waisting time.
            How you know i am in your county. LOL your country.
            A banana is outside yellow but inside white.

          • 김 Chi

            ¿Eres americano verdadero senor? real american?

          • It_is_true?

            here is my bills bastard. If you can not pay, your kids have to pay later then.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Morehead_Cook

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phong_Nhi_and_Phong_Nhat_massacre

          • Mighty曹

            Maybe I was too busy banging every Vietnamese girls that came my way. Your daughters included. (ok, joking aside) How do you compare my knowledge to yours? Yours is from your father. Mine is from actual scholars.

          • It_is_true?

            You like dirty jokes. I have heard that the japanese plan to have war with China soon so they can repeat Nanking, Changhai and more. At this time the US will send all the chinese in the camps or send them back to china include your mom, sister and wife so they can enjoy at the same batch. I still do not understand why they kill them after all?
            Dont try to get a daughter. Oh sorry you are chinese. You guys just meke boy. But where the girls going?
            Just joking. It will not happen. You are save in CA.

            BTW in Indonesia the start to rape all the chinese girls. Do you have your sister overthere? But they kill them after all also. Why? You should take a look and tell me then. It is not a joke. It happen in 2006 or so. I am not sure.

          • It_is_false?

            Can you stick to topic for a change. This topic is not about China or Nanking. It’s about Vietnam. For instance:

            http://uncensoredhistory.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-bad-bad-vietcong.html

            During the war, the Viet Cong reportedly sliced off the genitals of village chiefs and sewed them inside their bloody mouths, cut off the tongues of helpless victims, rammed bamboo lances through one ear and out the other, slashed open the wombs of pregnant women, disemboweled random civilians and draped their mutilated bodies on fences, machine gunned children, hacked men and women to pieces with machetes, and cut off the fingers of small children who dared to get an education. Viet Cong death squads assassinated at least 37,000 civilians in South Vietnam; the real figure was far higher since the data mostly cover 1967-72. They also waged a mass murder campaign against civilian hamlets and refugee camps; in the peak war years, nearly a third of all civilian deaths were the result of Viet Cong atrocities.

            These are your own people doing this to your own people, VC man. You got anything to say for yourself?

          • Mighty曹

            You just proved all the nonsense you’ve heard is just nonsense. Including everything you learned from your VC father.

            Indonesian pirates raped and killed many of your boat people. Do you find that funny?

          • It_is_true?

            Chinese guys are so funny with tails. Some japanese and white guys told me chinese boys can not fuck so the chinese girls tend to prefer white or japanese.
            I dont believe. I think the chinese girls want is money and not sex from japanese and with guys. Right, mighty MIGHTY nipple?

          • It_is_false

            That’s funny, where did the phrase “me love you long time GI” come from? Wasn’t that from Vietnam prostitute? Vietnam guys should be proud their women are being exported all over the world.

          • Mighty曹

            That’s soooo funny! “Me love you long time” and “Me bang you beacoup” were popularized by Vietnamese hookers. You didn’t hear it growing up at home?

          • An American

            Is that why you’re in the US, mooching off of Uncle Sam, while talking shit about the country that took you in, as well as your millions of your fellow boat people from your fine united Vietnam? If united Vietnam is so great, then why are so many of you trying to get out and stay illegally, all over the world? Don’t you find it shameful that your young women are being sold off to poor 50 year old Korean farmers so that they can have the dream of getting out Vietnam?

          • It_is_true?

            You want to tell me the uS vietnam war was right? Most vietnamese people are in the US because the American was in vietnam and make shit. If the VietCong so bad the why your goverment embrace them now.

          • An American

            What makes you think we Americans embrace you dinky dink dao’s? I’m just sad we didn’t get rid of all of you VC’s.

          • It_is_true?

            Please dont play red scare game again OK.

          • An American

            go home to your uncle Ho Chin Min, gook VC. ho ho ho.

          • 김 Chi

            Who is Ho Chin Min?

          • 김 Chi

            Fucking senor americano.

          • redwhitedude

            As people have said nobody is saying Koreans did not commit atrocities but generally they did not and were well behaved. You paint it as that’s all Koreans did commit atrocities.

          • It_is_true?

            I see you are ondenial mode. Who cares….

          • redwhitedude

            I think it is pretty apparent who is right on this one.

          • Mighty曹

            Hahaha… I was going to say just that.

          • redwhitedude

            I’m wondering if this dufus of It_is_true is even a vietnamese. Maybe he is a Japanese 2ch troll, obsessed with bashing Korea.

          • Mighty曹

            It’s really starting to appear that way. He was entertaining at the beginning but now he’s just being annoying.

          • redwhitedude

            Troll, troll, troll……
            that’s their reason of being. The live to troll.

          • Mighty曹

            Enough time wasted on him. I’ll ignore him.

            Hey Viet Punk, have fun with your delusions! I’m done with you.

          • It_is_true?

            If it so, why you and your MIGHTY friend crying, blaming and winning so much about the japanese?

          • redwhitedude

            Because the Japanese have done committed more atrocities and with sanction from higher authorities during WWII and just before it.

          • It_is_true?

            Did you make a research or are you scare or dont want to see the truth?

          • redwhitedude

            Yup. And those atrocities are isolated cases.

          • It_is_true?

            What about ….. Google it and then more…… Dont play dumb man.

          • redwhitedude

            You mean this thread in asiafinest forum?

            http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?s=fdadfab90f4fe6f8d5f64737b1a26297&showtopic=134650&st=20

            Hey its the exact samething that happened here. Trolls like you getting a beatdown.

            You are the one playing dumb.

          • It_is_true?

            Not all Koreans are active killing us. But if you guys deny it what your soldiers did in Vietnam, You guys are guilty also. Your Society are responsible for what they did.
            Does it make sense to you?

          • Mighty曹

            Viet Punk, give it a rest. Nobody denied it. It was you who claimed that Koreans’ ONLY purpose to go to Vietnam was to rape and kill civilians. Everyone’s been trying to tell you, for the past 2 days, that was not true.

          • It_is_true?
          • redwhitedude

            Only one massacre? I thought that there would be more in fact a heck of a lot more given your assertion that South Koreans were in vietnam for the sole purpose of committing massacres and rapes.

          • It_is_true?

            Only one massacre?
            Wait, we will over there soon when Mr. Kim Jong Un request. You will get more than one massacre? You just prove … S koreans are sick in the head. No compassion. Just killing and raping.
            Uncle Sam must be naive to give you guys so much protection.

          • redwhitedude

            *yawn*

      • It_is_true?

        You dont know or dont want to know about the korean vietnam issues. Just read what the koreans wrote here in this forum about what their soldiers did in VN. It is in front of your eyes, just read it.
        I really feel sad about you. You should change your name from Viet to Han.

    • It_is_true?

      Lucky you, but my father told me difference story about Koreans.
      What your father did not know, does not mean it does not happen. Or you want to deny history.

      • viet ng

        Thats because your father was probably viet cong or communist regular. Of course he would hate koreans because they too much good things for south Vietnamese and undermining the communist effort.

        It’s funny how you never mention millions of people who were killed and tortured by n.vietnamese government. They did far more evil things to their own people than any of the koreans. my uncle had to suffer in “re-education camps” where he saw how people were killed.

        • It_is_true?

          After the vietnamesei show a big respect to you father and i expect the same. You dont know us, how can you call us VC. There are 3 kind of people in VN at this time. people pro south, pro north and certain interlect people who just love their country and there people.
          But does not matter. If i was a young man at this time, I joint the VC to kick all the enymies out of our country.

          Your uncle and my uncle suffer because they are Vietnamese. every one suffer from the north to the south.

          You ask why i am not mention about the people were kill by the north. I dont know Where should i beginn.

          You are most south vietnamse tend to hate your own people more than the one who bring war to our country and force us to kill each other.

          • Mighty曹

            Sooo….. tell us how you feel about the VC’s torturing and mass killings of civilians? Your own people.

          • It_is_true?

            I will not tell it to a weak korean specie. It is vietnamese internal issues. You are not a free to talk to me. The big korean brother is watching you.

          • Mighty曹

            What the …????!!

          • It_is_true?

            Sorry, i though you are in s korea. But it is the same for you in CA. If you say something not system conform about china and communist, NSA will get you. I have heard they are very sensitive about the chinese now in US.

          • It_is_true?

            Where are you? I though you want dirty. You maybe not so mighty “Mighty” like you wish. But it is very commond character by chinese people.

          • Mighty曹

            I’m here (just in time for your ‘dirty’). So let’s hear it. And don’t be giving me any of your one-sided stereotyping bullshits.

          • It_is_true?

            You want to get more dirty. We can talk about dirty korea civil war or japanese koreans war.
            It may hurt you.

          • Mighty曹

            Let’s not get dirty. Just tell me about the massacres committed by the Viet Congs against Vietnamese at Hue and the Montagnards at Dak Son.

          • It_is_true?

            There are no evidents about the VC. I just know the japanese rape the chinese badly in Nanking and Changhai. Since then they are winning but 15 years later the chinese did the same to the tibetian. And 19 years later they bully another one, the VC but they got kick badly in the ass. I know, you have a lot of reasons not to like the VC. Yes, this what they are. Kick the chinese in the ass.

      • viet ng

        Like I said my family lived where there were lot of koreans who were in control of the security so he had lot of experience with vietnamese who were dealing with koreans. Like I said they helped Vietnamese people a lot. Do you deny that? And where did your father live and how does he know about koreans?

        • It_is_true?

          We lived in vung Tau then Nha Trang in critical war time.
          One thing is clear. The individual Koreans come to vietnam bc the money. korea at this time very poor and in Vietnam there are a lot of Dollars to make. the US pumping every year Billions of $ in to Vietnam at this time. Beside the war, you can earn good money in S Vietnam at this time.
          I just guessing, Your father is a good simple man and see everything with his good heart. believe me. why should the Koreans want to do something good for us at this time. They self struggle in dictatorship with radical goverment and after a bad wars. People are hungry. Everything were destroyed in Korea. It is like South Vietnam after 1975.

          • Mighty曹

            That’s deep south. I really thought your family’s from the North.

          • chucky3176

            Like viet ng said, his family probably was Viet Cong. I don’t see how a South Vietnamese refugee living in the west talking like North Vietnamese.

          • Mighty曹

            Not ‘probably’. It’s definitely. I was hinting to him to get him to admit he’s from the North.

          • It_is_true?

            Koreans like to see black and white but there are colors in between and this is the reason why Vietnam is united and korea not. It must be exist a certain % of people who stand up again the main stream. Most You guys are so radical and hatred and maul each other to dead. American and Chinese stand their and provide with knifes. You guy have to be 100% conmformed with your s korea system or jail. ==> so not free man. Since 60 years you guys play the communist games and still trying. If some one love the country and people, they are communist and kill them.
            I know, you guy (like Viet) are weak species and opportunist. Survive at all cost. Dont care about other. Me first. Look around you. Half korea women are in the US military bases. There are nothing to be proud on this.
            Dont try to put me down. If you want me to treat you with respect, then show me your strength and greatness. Ortherwise is just bullshit like the guy Viet.
            You can call me comies if you like. Vietnam is free from american and chinese.

          • chucky3176

            Let’s get this straight once and for all, shall we? Mighty is Chinese, not Korean. At least address your lectures to correct nationalities.

          • Guest

            Are you korean kiss ass. Korea soldiers killing and raping your south vietnames people and you call me a comies when i state it. What kind of person are you. Dont make me to your enemy you will lost your dignity, No backbone.
            I hope one of the girls who was rape. By the koreaa army was your family member.

          • Mighty曹

            I guess my surname in Chinese character confused him.

          • It_is_true?

            No. You are 100% korean. at lease your mind set.

          • Mighty曹

            Ok, let’s just say I am but that doesn’t change the facts that the Viet Congs, whom you were one, engaged in mass killings of innocent civilians. Now, weren’t you saying something about ‘double standard’ earlier?

          • It_is_true?

            Do you have the backbone and tell me where you from?

          • Mighty曹

            Sure, I’m from Guangdong and grew up in California. There’s a large population of Vietnamese here and they’re all pro-South. They would love to meet you here.

            Now, do you have the backbone to tell me of what you and your VC’s did to helpless civilians?

          • It_is_true?

            The VC have a right vision but make some mistakes in their operation after they win the war. There are no evident that they kill civilians, but i believe it is posible.
            But it is not compare to the chinese revolution in the 60′. They kill more than 30 millions of their own people (thousand cuts). I would compare them with the Pol Pot. In Japanese war they let their own 4 millions die through hungry. They still kill torture and havest the organs and raping chinese the Falung.
            There nothing to compare with N Vietnam or N korea.
            In Tibet they killing and raping nons so much that the european sentences some of the chinese leaders for jails.

            No one on this world kill their own people quality and quantity wise like the chinese and the Pol Pot.

          • Mighty曹

            You conveniently shifted the topic to what Mao and Pol Pot did. But I give you points for even believing that it was possible that the VC committed war atrocities. That’s as close to an admission we will get out of you.

          • It_is_true?

            Show me the history or evidents. Please no american bullshit.

          • It_is_true?

            I dont know about these. You tell me.
            I just know about Nanking raping and culture revolution in china, thousand cuts, Pol Pot etc…

          • Mighty曹

            “Radical” and “Hatred”. Look in the mirror, my brother. That’s how I am seeing you now. Your views are radical and you are filled with hate that’s set off by your inability to truly understand what’s written. 50% of the time you simply misunderstand and react.

          • It_is_true?

            I look in the mirror and see a free man.

          • Mighty曹

            You’re not free. You’ve imprisoned yourself in the past and are carrying this burden of misconception that’s weighing down hard on you. If you want to be truly free forgive the people you hold responsible.

          • It_is_true?

            You are repeatelly conflictary. Did you forgive the japanese?
            Or do you still winning and catching in the past and have to play the mean communist game to innocent people.

          • Mighty曹

            My grand parents taught me to hate the Japanese but some of my ex girlfriends and best friends are Japanese. How’s that for forgiving?

          • It_is_true?

            You must be around 26 years old and like to mix up the stuff together.
            You forgive only if some one show he has made an mistake. And forgiven does not mean forgotten.

            99% chinese does not have japanese friends who tell them they feel wrong about the past. So the japanese gov or soceity has to do it. If not ….. You see what happen now in china.

          • It_is_true?

            Why the chinese still winning about nanking. The chinese liars makes me thinking …. i am not sure if Nanking raping really happen?

          • linette lee

            hahahhaah….lol.

          • Mighty曹

            Just as I’m sure the Koreans’ atrocities in V’nam never happened.

          • It_is_true?

            Hold responsible for what? For their doing?

          • viet ng

            Our parents fondly remember Korean army medical centers where they treated Vietnamese people for free when there was no help from anyone. Are sure all the koreans did was kill and rape? Regardless their motives that you feel they had do you know how many Vietnamese lives the saved? How come you only dwell on the negatives only and ignore the good things they did?

          • It_is_true?

            You are just one of my country man (maybe not any more). You are not exceptional or god. They kill and rape our people and by the side giving your family a little bit convienients from US money. They celebrate to doing that and it is wrong. Now you expect me to thanks them?
            Are you sick. You think, your father is proud on you. I dont think so. He hate you and beat you every day right?

    • Mighty曹

      Very true that air strikes = civilian casualties.

    • It_is_true?

      Hey viet. I have a question for you. Are you still there?

    • It_is_true?

      Hey Viet (Han) Ng, do you read the artical from Chucky3176?
      Or are you still in denial mode. traitor to yor own people. You must be half korean. I dare you to play the red scare and call me a VietCong.
      think about your self. Who are you? A banana? A man with no back bone?
      If you are boat people, you must be old enough to know histories about your own country and people. I just feel pity about your kids. They talk like shit to you right? Bc they know you have no back bone.

    • It_is_true?

      Hey. hint for you traitor. BTW if you read it and don’t hate them. ==> your mother was rape and you are half Korean.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Morehead_Cook

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phong_Nhi_and_Phong_Nhat_massacre

  • chucky3176

    As promised, Mighty, I found the Korean newspaper article, researching the Korean involvement in Vietnam. By the way, this is the same newspaper with its Hankyoreh 21 Magazine’s accounts on Korean troop’s massacre of Vietnamese civilians by published in 1999. Hankyoreh 21 Magazine on Korean troop’s massacre of Vietnamese civilians. The reporter’s name is Ku Su-jeong, a contributor for Hankyoreh 21 who was staying in Vietnam at the time, sifted through Vietnamese government documents and gathered testimony from people in the villages of the five central provinces of Khanh Hoa, Binh Dinh, Phu Yen, Quang Ngai, and Quang Nam, where the ROK military carried out its search-and-destroy operations against the Viet Cong. The Vietnamese government estimates that these operations resulted in 5,000 victims.

    When the story broke, it caused a shock and a huge public backlash in Korea against the veterans who fought in Vietnam. Korean civic organizations started a peace movement with the establishment of the “Committee for Finding the Truth about Massacres of Vietnamese Civilians”, “the Committee for the Truth about Vietnam”, and the “Committee for Promoting the Construction of the Peace Museum”. A former Japanese comfort women even donated money and a memorial was built in Vietnam, as dozens of Korean university students even made trips to Vietnam to privately apologize for the war crimes. While dozens of private civic groups are involved in ongoing medical support through sending doctors and dentists to Vietnam, and offering scholarships to Vietnamese children. The Korean media backlash continued for 2 or 3 more years after the first story broke, with dozens of stories of Korean atrocities being published in Korea which made world headlines.

    This article describes why and how Korea got involved in Vietnam.

    http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/SERIES/546/619248.html

    http://img.hani.co.kr/imgdb/resize/2014/0111/00010949101_20140111.JPG

    The research on the Korean participation in Vietnam was recently done by a history researcher, Park Tae Kyun, from Seoul National University digging through the national archives, then writing a book. He found some very interesting things that few people ever knew. For instance, South Korea, under Syngman Rhee, in 1954, 1958, and 1959, volunteered to send Korean troops to not just Vietnam, but also Indonesia, and Laos. Rhee even sent his defense minister to Laos to investigate sending Korean troops there. After the military coup where general Park Chung Hee took over the rule, he met with President Kennedy in Washington, as shown in the picture I just posted, and offered up the Korean troops to Vietnam. But remember, in 1961, the US had no troops in Vietnam, so Kennedy’s position was that this was not something that could be considered at that moment. After Kennedy was assassinated and Lyndon Johnson took over, and as US troops began the deployment, it was the US president and the South Vietnamese president who wrote letters to Park, asking for Korean troops.

    Korea in 1964 was a very different place. The skirmishes at the DMZ with North Korean troops were quite frequent, and deadly firefights with North Korean infiltrators were common inside South Korea. South Korea’s military was being built up, but the North Koreans had the military advantage and even economically they were ahead. The only ones standing in the way of preventing North Korean invasion were the 100,000 US troops. When the US troops began deployment to Vietnam, President Park was afraid that two US divisions were to be moved out of Korea, and to Vietnam, which would have weakened South Korea’s defence. This is why he offered the Korean troops to Vietnam instead, to compensate for the two divisions that the US was tied up in Korea. When the American request for Korean troops came, Korea had every opportunity to deny the request, but President Park knew that the security of South Korea was at jeopardy, and many South Korean political leaders and military leaders thought that South Korea had to pay back the US for their help in the Korean War.

    I think the goals and aims of the South Korean government of that time, succeeded because North Korea never invaded, and South Korea not only became secure, it got rich because of the economic policies that were driven by the Vietnam war. I know that the Vietnam War vets in Korea have a very crummy reputation and lot of people look down on them, ostracize them, call them shameful, and point at them as nothing but right wing mercenary murderers and savages, while all of them are painted in one big broad brush. And in the media they are portrayed as killers of innocent Vietnamese people. In terms of topics, the Vietnam War is hardly discussed and its considered shameful thing to show or discuss about. But to be fair, in more ways than none, it was because of these ROK men’s sacrifices in the Vietnam War, is what made Korea what it is today – democratically free and prosperous.

    Where the US vets have been recognized and compensated for Agent Orange, no such support were handed to Korean vets in Korea courts. They’ve been totally abandoned by everyone, and sold out the river.

    http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_international/595583.html

    • It_is_true?

      They come to Vietnam to kill and rape and Park Tae Kyun call it sacrify and fair?
      Park Tae Kyun thinking structure reflexed the korea soceity and is like a Nazi codex.
      The koreans people can winning as long as they want, if i am a japanese, i will never apology and so will it in the future. Viva Japon.

      Most koreans are sick and very proud on some think what other have.
      If korea is so democratic, rich, free then why is half koreans are in the US.

      Dont request from other what you can not deliever.

      • An American

        listen little boy, listen good and learn. That’s the difference between a mature person and an immature one like you. A mature person is man enough to admit the faults and the things that he did wrong. The immature ones like you cry and sulk, and scream “I didn’t do anything wrong!, You’re the one who did all the wrong@!” The hell will freeze over before a news reporter from a “united Vietnam” will admit they committed atrocities in the war. You think the Vietnamese reporter, they’ll ever be free to do so?

        • It_is_true?

          Bla… Bla… Banana

          • It_is_false?

            Bla.. Bla… dink VC.

          • It_is_true?

            Let sto the 60 years old red scare games. You guys are not in Korea any more and i believe US has changed and doing business with red communist now. You guys dont have to be “so” system conform like in korea. Relax.

          • mẹ đồ ngu

            united and broke ass!

          • It_is_true?

            Why broke? Facts boy. Or brain does not work?
            One more Banana on forum?

          • It_is_true?

            You bastard call us dink? At lease our country are united. How long do you have to kiss uncle Sam to get the green card or are you illegal over there? Wait, they will kick you out if it come to war with China and S Korea take sides with the Chinese.

        • It_is_true?

          Tell me why should Abe not allow to visit the schrine?

    • Mighty曹

      WOW. I”m blown away. Thanks, Chucky. I’m seeing it in a different light now.

  • AJ Johnson

    I am an American Vietnam Vet. From 1966 to 1967, I worked with the Korean troops out of Plei Ku and Qui Non as forward artillery man and also knew many American helicopter pilots that flew and dropped zoned Koreans into missions. They were as fine a soldiers as I’ve ever known and I certainly saw no indication that they would be guilty of such alleged atrocities. They were simply very tenacious and professional soldiers. Never seen them commit any war crimes, and I don’t believe a word of it, especially when all the alleged documents of massacres that Koreans allegedly committed, all came from North Vietnamese government provided sources, egged on by the anti-Vietnam war, anti-American/anti-South Korean left wing media. Why doesn’t North Vietnam also the reveal documents on how many Vietnamese people the Communists killed? Of course they’ll never reveal that because they’ll claim they won’t have any. We American and Korean Vietnam Vets have kept a very close relationship, a friendship written in blood. I have heard how the nation of South Korea poorly treats their Vietnam war veterans and it saddens and pains me deeply as one veteran.

    • Mighty曹

      Salute to you. It’s good to hear it from someone who was actually there. It’s good that you yourself didn’t witness any war crimes committed but these things do happen in war with culprits on both sides.

    • 김 Chi

      When were you over there?

      • It_is_true?

        from 66-1967

    • 김 Chi

      “American and Korean Vietnam Vets have kept a very close relationship, a friendship written in blood”. I like that.

    • Kenny

      Even if Vietnamese communists did kill its own people, it was their civil war. Americans and Koreans were invaders, no matter how “professional”.

      • It_is_true?

        Same here. No one has the right to interfere in US civil war in 1861 and kill American people.

  • It_is_true?

    Here is a link about the civilian massacres during the Vietnam War. And I hope there are still other Koreans who want to know the truths.

    I found one Korean who motivate me to post the link.
    Eunyoung Kim
    Yes, that’s true! So I wanna apologize to Vietnam people from the bottom of my heart as one of Korean. My country left vietnam people with indelible scars during Vietnam war. Indeed my government never apologize to vietnamese. It is so dishonorable act as like as Japanese did Korea. We Korean people are ready to apologize to Vietnamese and we want be a friend of Vietnam. How aobout you, Japanese?

    http://www.japanfocus.org/-Heonik-Kwon/2451
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UslLqy1tu44

    • It_is_false?

      From your own link:

      “Our village bred the strongest guerilla force in the region, and it played an important role in connecting the town of Hoi An, the revolutionary base of Vinh Dien, and the city of Da Nang. Our village was a strong base for our revolutionary Communist Party cells and an important support base for our armed forces. The people of our village contributed to the revolutionary campaigns in material and human resources. . . . ”

      So in other words, those “innocent villagers” weren’t really innocent after all, were they? They were “villagers” by day, VC at night. That’s how cowardly terrorists wage war, hide behind women and children, and when they get hurt, hold them up as victims.

      • It_is_true?

        I am not “tough” enough to deal with you. mayday 김정은 please take over. Roger.

      • It_is_true?

        Who allow you to come to Vietnam and kill Kids and rape our people? Your God?

        • It_is_false?

          Over one third of all civilian murders were done by Viet Cong.

          http://uncensoredhistory.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-bad-bad-vietcong.html

          During the war, the Viet Cong reportedly sliced off the genitals of village chiefs and sewed them inside their bloody mouths, cut off the tongues of helpless victims, rammed bamboo lances through one ear and out the other, slashed open the wombs of pregnant women, disemboweled random civilians and draped their mutilated bodies on fences, machine gunned children, hacked men and women to pieces with machetes, and cut off the fingers of small children who dared to get an education. Viet Cong death squads assassinated at least 37,000 civilians in South Vietnam; the real figure was far higher since the data mostly cover 1967-72. They also waged a mass murder campaign against civilian hamlets and refugee camps; in the peak war years, nearly a third of all civilian deaths were the result of Viet Cong atrocities.

          But do you see any Vietnamese saying anything about that? Nope.

          • It_is_true?

            Play dumb huh?
            Who allow you to come to Vietnam and kill Kids and rape our people? Did Vietnam do any harm to one Korean people? Are we enemy? Did your and my countries declared war?

          • It_is_false?

            Don’t know what you’re talking about. The ones who killed kids and raped your people were your own people (both North and South Vietnamese). Your own president was pissed off when America withdrew troops after the Americans were fed up with South Vietnamese incompetence and corruption.

          • It_is_true?

            Play dumb again?
            Who allow the S korea’s army comes to Vietnam kill and rape our women and children? Did we, Vietnamese do any harm to one Korean people?
            Either you want to answer it or just shut up.

          • It_is_false?

            too bad we didn’t kill all you worthless VC mothafuckas including your filthy Viet VC mother. Otherwise you would not be here to pollute this board.

          • It_is_true?

            Are the average Korean have a same thinking structure like you?

            So, you mean it is bad that the Japanese army did not kill all your worthless, radical, corrupted S Koreans? It is what you mean Motherfucker?

            But don’t winning and crying then when the Japanese come.

            Patient motherfucker. The Japanese army is on the way to beef it up to number one in Asia.

          • It_is_true?

            You want to kill all of us? Even your uncle from America and the Chinese are not able to do that. What you want to do? Kill us all with your Kim Chi? Kim Jong Un, please help me to get rid of this bad ass.
            Wake up, dreamer.

          • It_is_true?

            You think the US army will stay for ever in S Korea? This makes you think you are so great and can fucking around.

            In one day, the US will withdraw their troops from Korea and all you guys will stand naked there?
            I ask my self what will happen then.
            Karma. Did you heard about it before.

          • It_is_true?

            Did you wrote all the movie scripts for american Vietnam war for Hollywood?

      • It_is_true?
  • It_is_true?

    BTW Eunyoung Kim is NOT A COMMUNIST.

  • Guest
  • It_is_true?

    To all Koreans bastards who still proud on their crimes and want to celebrate it.
    I send you my bills. If you dont want to pay it know, your kids has to pay it later then.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Morehead_Cook

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phong_Nhi_and_Phong_Nhat_massacre

  • It_is_true?

    (This message DO NOT address the good Koreans people with heart and sanity like Mr. Eunyoung Kim).

    Where are all the radical, brutal, dumb Koreans with PHD. Suddenly all you guys are so quite. I hope you guys stop crying, winning, blaming the Japanese people. Because I don’t see any bad ass here stand up and take responsibilities for what happen in my country Vietnam. Instead you guys celebrating the killing and raping.

    With your passive behave, you guys just confirmed that you are not worth that the Japanese people did apologize to you.
    So, which countries are next you guys want to let your penis and killing temper “running around”?

    • TheKorean

      Koreans didn’t mass murdered or occupied the Vietnamese people. In War, shit happens in both sides. You should be glad Korea already apologized and made memorials in Vietnam. Move on, jeez.

      • It_is_true?

        When the apology happen?
        Who did the apology?
        Why all Koreans (except you) know about it. If it happen, how comes that no Koreans know about the apology?
        Where is the memorials in Vietnam?
        If Korea already apologized for, why the celebrations?
        What kind of apology it is when you guys celebrate the crimes?
        How should we move on? War?

        It sound really fishy?

        • noshitbutsmile

          No, Korea never officially apologized. Current President Pak actually denies everything to protect honors of korean soldiers.

          • It_is_true?

            Exactly. Finally some one raise his voice for the truth. Thanks man.

  • bultak23

    this just in, communism does not work, (no matter how many people die for it).

    • It_is_true?

      Kim Jong Un and his power full military doesn’t works? I remember they just need 2 days to wipe out the whole S korea army. It is not?
      Brings facts boy. No stupidity and radical….you are in US and not in S Korea. You don’t have to tell every one that you are anti communist.
      BTW, your gov. works very tight with one of the most evil communist China now.
      Argue like a adult man.

  • Writer451

    WTF?! The Vietnamese gov’t. is asking Korea to not honor the brave Koreans who fought against them? Vietnam is run by the bad Vietnamese — intolerant communists. All the good Vietnamese (whom Koreans fought to protect) were either massacred by the bad Vietnamese or sent to re-education camps. It’s absurd that we would honor our enemy’s request.

    Vietnam asking Korea to not honor their soldiers would be like North Korea asking the UK to not honor their soldiers for fighting against them.

    On the other hand, it’s a good thing that the communists won Vietnam, otherwise who else would make our Nike shoes for 10 cents an hour?

    • It_is_true?

      That is all what you can bring? What is wrong with 10 cent/h. It is not honest money?
      Up to 80% of the women in the US’s military bases are from Korea. They have to cook and satisfy the US soldiers every night hardly. How much did they get per hour? Don’t tell me they do it based on love.

      BTW, who allow your army to come to Vietnam and killing, raping our people? Did we as Vietnamese do any harm to your people?

      • Mighty曹

        STFU already. It’s getting old and boring.

        • It_is_true?
          • Mighty曹

            Người đàn Đôn, why would I read or watch porn when I can just go to a Vietnamese hair salon. Yep, they do both heads plus other extra services. Which one does your wife or daughter works at?

          • It_is_true?

            did i gave you the link? Go I am there. See you.

          • It_is_true?

            You are not so mighty MIGHTY like you think. Sorry, forget…you are Chinese with a short tail but a big mouth. Go sleep man. It is to complicated for you what we talking here on forum.

          • Mighty曹

            Hahaha… yes.

          • It_is_true?

            Why did your parent leave Cho Lon, Saigon? BC the VC?
            Your Vietnamese is better than my.

          • Mighty曹

            Thằng ngốc, I’m better than you in many other things.

          • It_is_true?

            I see. Why you hide your chinky eyes?

          • It_is_true?

            It is not allow for Chinese soldiers to laugh in the military, bc they can not see their belove county any more. It is true? :) Just joking.

          • It_is_true?

            Please answer. Why did your parent leave Cho Lon, Saigon? Bc the VC?

        • It_is_true?

          Some thing less boring. Your aggressive Chinese men is on going to attack Malaysia and maybe start the war in Asia now……….

        • It_is_true?

          Change your picture man. You look so ugly. Why you hide your chinky eyes. Accept it. It is how it is man.

  • Stephanie Robin

    Korean soldiers killed all the childrens, pregnant woman, an etc at war, lots of Comfort woman were there as sex slave.

    Do you know how they killed the victims?

    Cut theire head, arms, legs off and through fire on their bodies.

    Or Through them in a well and through bom…
    Alot of young woman were give birth “. Lai Đại Hàn.”.

    Korean were more evil than US Military.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN_aXaRtmtw

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-JS0KU0PyA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxcFV7g9oQc

  • Ray M

    A loss in Vietnam and a stalemate on the Korean peninsula. Not a good track record for the U.S./South Korea alliance.

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