U.S. Law Calls for Japan to Apologize over ‘Comfort Women’

Article from Yonhap News:

United States Calls for Japan’s Apology over Comfort Women in Legislative Move that Catches Japan off Guard.

President Barack Obama signs 2014 spending bill at a new administration building.

President Barack Obama signs 2014 spending bill on January 17th, 2014.
The bill features a report calling for Japan to apologize for its treatment of comfort women.

In “diplomatic battle” over historical issues in Washington, South Korea has dealt a heavy blow to the Japanese government under Prime Minister Shinzo Abe.

The bill was the first time the comfort women issue [a euphemism for women enslaved to sexually service Japan’s Imperial Army] was present in a bill that went to the White House. Previously, the U.S. House of Representatives adopted a resolution regarding the comfort women in 2007.

The diplomatic community in Washington assesses the ramifications of the clause in the new bill, which only calls for a report without a legally-binding conclusion.

In reaffirming the fact of the Japanese military’s forcible conscription of women as sex slaves, the bill is seen as ratcheting up pressure on Japan to take genuine steps on one of the fractious issues in Northeast Asia. Japane has repeatedly denied the issue.

The bill passed after views critical of Japan emerged in the U.S. Congress following Shinzo Abe’s controversial visit to the Yasukuni Shrine where the war dead of World War II are honored, including Class A war criminals.

Recently Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee on the House of Representatives Ed Royce made comments critical of Japan. They were followed by condemnation from Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-VA), co-chair of a group of lawmaker’s knowledgeable about Korea, the Congressional Caucus on Korea, saying “Japan should acknowledge wrongdoings committed against Korea.”

Although the Japanese government has fully mobilized senior officials to seek support from the United States, the effort to win over the U.S., it seems to have inspired a backlash that demands Japan recognize its history and take responsibility.

According to a diplomatic source in Washington, “the latest bill mirrors the U.S. parliamentary stance that seeks to address issues of human rights based on universal values.”

The addition of the comfort women issue to the official bill is attributed to Mike Honda (D-CA) and Steven Israel (D-NY), both of whom played a crucial role behind the curtains. Mr. Honda spearheaded the adoption of the 2007 comfort women resolution.

Legislator Honda said in a commentary posted on his homepage after the bill’s passage, “The congress includes the comfort women issue in a report of the formal bill as part of long-standing effort to deliver justice to those who served as sex slaves in the Second World War.”

Although the bill does not give any legal force to the future report on comfort women, it is anticipated to intensify the psychological pressure on the Obama administration regarding the issue.

Specifically, the report in the bill notes the July 30, 2007 passage of Resolution 121 at the House of Representatives, and calls for the Secretary of State to encourage the Japanese government to address problems raised in the resolution.

The 2007 resolution calls for an official apology from the Japanese government concerning the Japanese army’s forcible conscription of women as sex slaves.

In a nutshell, the bill calls for Secretary of State John Kerry to raise the comfort women issue during dialogue with Japan and diplomatically seek an official apology from the Japanese government about the issue.

Observers say that the Japanese government appears to be ignorant of the inclusion of comfort women issue in the U.S. appropriations bill.

Faced with tough diplomatic pressures from South Korea and China following Abe’s visit to the Yasukuni shrine, the Japanese government is said to be placed in a diplomatic predicament by the bill’s passage.

Diplomatic watchers also say that Vice Minister of Japan’s Foreign Affairs Ministry Nobuo Kishi, younger brother of Prime Minister Abe, has met with State Department officials and U.S. lawmakers in a bid to explain Abe’s shrine visit, which appeared to be greeted with lukewarm responses in Washington.

With the passage in the House of Representatives, the bill is highly likely to move to the U.S. Senate. A ratified bill will be signed into law by President Obama, then affect the policy direction of the Department of State.

In response, Japan is expected to launch a lobby to counteract the bill’s inclusion of the comfort women issue. Yachi Shotaro, appointed as Japan’s newly-created National Security Council Chief, is slated to visit Washington on January 17 for meetings with senior White House officials and Secretaries of Defense and State.

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe steps inside the Yasukuni Shrine on Dec. 26th, 2013.

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe steps inside the Yasukuni Shrine on Dec. 26th, 2013.
The visit sparked a barrage of condemnations from South Korea and China.

Comfort women pay homage to deceased victims in front of Japanese Embassy in South Korea.

Comfort women pay homage to deceased victims at a makeshift altar in front of Japanese Embassy in South Korea. Many of comfort women, now at advanced ages, passed away, with only 56 victims alive at present.

Comments from Naver:

kowo****:

If the Japanese are human beings, they will apologize to the victims. But if they are monkeys, they will not.

kdc0****:

Justice will prevail. Japan should look squarely at their past, tsk tsk.

kosu****:

Abe prompts Japan’s isolation by moving to become a military power in the region. Nostalgia toward their militaristic past and their anxiety about vulnerable geography make them show their true colors. But that will only make them more isolated.

kyys****:

This is the first time when it looked to me like the United States has done justice to its name. As a strong power, the United States behaves accordingly. They did a good job.

moon****

Mike Honda is an American of Japanese descent. I thank him a lot for his role in drafting and passing the bill.

tjrg****:

By the way, why have we not raised issues other than comfort women? Such as the unjustifiable massacre and experiments on humans? How come we have only raised the issue of comfort women? There should be an apology for other brutalities committed by Imperial Japan.

mss0****:

Monkeys, oblivious to history, will not get any bananas.

moro****:

Our government officials should learn from the passage of the landmark bill. You guys may feel good because others do your job. Or are you nervous about showing your pro-Japan true colors?

sjki****:

As a third generation Japanese American, Rep. Mike Honda is a congressman who has dedicated himself to rectify past misdeeds of Japanese ancestors and misguided history education in Japan. Hopefully, the South Korean public will support his efforts.

haae****:

Japan always complains that the Pacific War could have been won by them if the United States had not played dirty. Like they were the victim while the U.S. was the aggressor. Japan ceaselessly barks, saying that it has historically advocated peace.

ther****:

Japan walks on a path toward becoming a global pariah. They conducted experiments on people from Korea, China and Russia during their invasion into the three countries. Would it be possible to deal a blow to Japan in collaboration with all three of these countries? Japan is on bad terms with its neighboring three countries.

onok****:

Abe’s worship at the Yasukuni Shrine and subsequently swelling approval ratings for Abe, Japan’s denials of its invasion and forcibly drafted comfort women, their misguided historical claims, outrageous sovereignty claims over the islets of Dokdo, growing anti-Korean sentiment in Japan. All of these illustrate their nostalgia toward their past imperialistic days and their ulterior motive of invading the neighboring countries in the region. Decades after the end of war, they still remain brazen and cruel.

Conscripted women are shown in the picture.

Conscripted women are shown in the picture. Some high-profile Japanese politicians have repeatedly denied the responsibility for inhumane wrongdoings committed against women in neighboring countries.

Comments from Daum:

에이미크래프트:

Since our nation’s power is lacking, it’s like we are incapable of punishing the bully and just wait for our strong friend to get them.

구라치네:

A triumph of diplomacy? The bill’s passage is thanks to demonstrations in front of the Japanese Embassy in South Korea every Wednesday for 22 years and the Butterfly Project. I doubt the current government played any diplomatic role in this. The incumbent government even supports the endorsement of a history textbook by the publishing company Kyohaksa. [Note: A history textbook released by textbook publisher Kyohaksa has recently stirred up national controversy as it contains what some conservatives claim to be a balanced historical perspective, a view that leftists label a pro-Japanese viewpoint because of its relatively favorable description of Japanese activities during Japan’s colonial dominance of the Korean Peninsula.]

불똥이님:

A Kyohaksa history book says that in many cases, women were “called up” for sexual enslavement. This description also means that some of the women volunteered for prostitution for the Japanese army. Comfort women were forced to deal with ten Japanese soldiers or more per day, came down with sexually transmitted diseases, and hardly got food on the battlefields, much less got paid. Does the textbook cover the whole story?

팅이:

Thank you, Mike Honda.

와치맨:

Even the United states did the right thing. Kyohaksa, a Korean textbook publishing company, said in its latest history textbook that comfort women accompanied the Japanese army voluntarily. The education ministry in our country even accredited the textbook. How ridiculous is this?

삼식이:

It’s shameful that the South Korean mainstream is still dominated by the descendants of pro-Japanese collaborators. For one thing, President Park Geun-hye is the daughter of general-turned-president Park Chung-hyee, who served as a Japanese army officer in his youth, hunting for independence fighters. The nation is still affected by distorted pro-Japanese textbooks.

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  • noshitbutsmile

    Just cannot understand why President Pak & American-koreans activly disgracing Japanese donot even refer to Comfortwomen during Korean War and Vietnam War? Korea never aplogized to the victims raped and cruelly killed in Vietnam.
    Lai-Da-Hans are actual tangible proofs different from unreliable testimonies. How come they can be trying to take it out only on Japan

    • Zeekk

      Another attempt to “sidetrack” the issue. The standard argument method Japanese politicians are very experienced at.

      First off you need to look beyond to surface issue and need to have more critical thinking skills.

      The Vietnam War and Japanese Occupation are completely different situations. Why do you think VIetnam and Korea have 1000 times better relations with each other than Korea does with Japan? I’m not absolving guilt from Korea at all. I’m just trying to show you the complete differences of the wars.

      Japan actively occupied and dictated the lives on the Korean peninsula, regardless of “local” government participation or not. (do you really think they had a choice?). The systematic ban and attempt to eradicate Korean culture and language and forced teachings in school was also especially cruel . Think about that, they were basically trying to kill your ethnic identity/history. Forcing Japanese names and customs while still being considered “2nd class citizens”. The mass assimilation and enforcement of Men ordered to support/supplement the Japanese military by forced conscription. Women forced to be sexual slaves and I wouldn’t be surprised if many were coerced or tricked into it by lying about a prosperous and “good” job to lead them to their cage. Many Koreans mass shipped to Japan as forced labor for the military (fyi not only the Japanese were killed in the firebombings and atomic bombs).Basically Korea was taken advantage and abused on a massive scale that affected the entirety of the Korean peninsula.

      Now Vietnam is a completely different story. South Korea accepted the request of help from the US who received support from the South Vietnamese government/military. This was (again) in order to counter Chinese/Russian influence and Communism in the region.

      When you have a country like the USA invest their own blood/money to help you out in the Korean war, its a part of history that will be unforgettable in which South Korea owes a huge favor to the US. This was the start of the alliance, maintaining good relations and working together as an ally. So at the cooperation of the South Vietnamese gov’t/military, South Korea joined the war at the request of the US. This alone changes the entire situation and mentality of the scenario. The reason why Vietnam is good friends with South Korea is because 1, Vietnam doesn’t have any real resentment towards Koreans (they supported the side of the South Vietnamese in a civil war) 2. This was merely a coalition war, not an occupation. 3. Unlike Japanese politicians, Koreans stuck to their words of resentment and guilt, never waddling back and forth.

      I’m sure there are many more things to point out, but this is all I could think at at the moment. In the end, bad things happen in every war. The difference is in how small/large the damage was, how different the situations were, and most importantly; how well it was handled post-war for international relations.

      In the end of WW2, Japan was never really punished and humiliated on the same scale as Germany had. Their emperor maintained his status/position and a significant number of war criminals were left unjustified and alive. Court justification was basically moved aside to quickly rebuild Japan in order to counter Russian influence during this period of haste. The infant stages of the Cold War. Because of how the US handled this in due to Russia, Japan and the rest of Asia never really got to settle the situation like Germany had and because of that we now see the outcome of that decision.
      In the larger picture I would say the Russia/US played a significant role in how the relations of Korea and the rest of Asia molded towards Japan. Which also shaped and molded in how Japan sees itself historically and mentally on Japan’s historical expansionism.

      • noshitbutsmile

        No, the point is not sidetracked. This news clip is about passage of the bill which contains a report of comfortwomen issues , inserted sneakingly by Mike Honda. So I asked, how come S.Korea endlessly abuses Japan regarding this issue cheerled by President Park. How dare Korean-americans keeps setting up memorial statues here and there in US cheerled by so-called “The Korean Council for the Women Drafted for Military Sexual Slavery by Japan”, You guys never stop trying to disgrace Japanese despite the fact there were comfortwomen victims during Korean War/Vietnam War run by Korean Govt/Military. Also, Korean atrocities and sexual abuse did happen in Vietnam as implied by the existences of Lai-Dai-Hans. President Park keeps telling Japan to face up to the history ” Did she or any of those active korean claimers do face up to their own past history? I doubt it. The situations different but the the core issues are the same. Why Park keeps silence on this part but has right to keep accusing Japanese.

        As far as all the rest you wrote about the history of Korean peninsula, I donot agree everything with you but can come back anytime later if you want me. You guys trying completely ignore the positive side of the annexation, just like any pro-japanese concepts simply cannot exist right. It is just like 1000years hatred never dissapear, quoted by Park

        • redwhitedude

          huh?

        • redwhitedude

          First of all Lai Dai Hans are not atrocities. Is about people having relationships that maybe they shouldn’t have gotten involved, but atrocities? Nope. By saying that you are insulting the Lai Dai Hans by saying that they are a product of an atrocity. They are product of relationships that maybe people should have not gotten involved if they weren’t sincere about it. You are the one trying to smear Koreans.

          Second in vietnam there was no network of brothels that was setup by the higher ups on the part of SK and US military, unlike Japan in WWII. Japan has continued to deny that they’ve done this so they get picked on. If you don’t want Japan to get picked on then Japan needs to come clean.

          • chucky3176

            To clearify for others, “Lai Dai Han” refers to Vietnamese term for mixed children born to Vietnamese mothers and Korean fathers during the Vietnam War. Unlike the Japanese false accusations that they were born after Vietnamese women were raped by Korean soldiers, they are in truth, byproduct of relations between Korean males (not just soldiers but also civilian contractors, businessmen, government workers, etc etc) who may had long term relations with the Vietnamese women. There are number of these children who still carry old pictures of their fathers, looking for them. It’s another facet of the tragedy of that war.

          • reality check!

            If the Japanese came clean and made efforts like Germany… with no denials or down playing of atrocities. They could take pride in that!

            Tremendous pride in possibly being one of the first, if not the first, Asian nation to put face aside for historical wrong doings…

            The world would have more admiration and leave nothing for Koreans or Chinese to complain or gripe about…

            Sadly that is not going to happen and Japan will be remembered as denier or war crimes through out history…

        • Brett

          “You guys never stop trying to disgrace Japanese despite the fact there were comfortwomen victims during Korean War/Vietnam War run by Korean Govt/Military.”

          I’d like to see any legitimate sources to prove that the Korean government established brothels in SVN or Korea to provide “comfort women” to S. Korean troops.

          • noshitbutsmile

            I should`ve written more exact. The comfortwomen existed through WW2 and even after. There were comfort stations in Korea too serving for Korean/US/UN soldiers through 1950`s 60`s and 70`s. Those were run/managed by Korean Govt.

            one of sources is youtube. Yes it is Youtube but far bettern than just unreliable testimonies. If you can read Hangui, that would be good.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jlfAqR8uBc

          • nitrostat

            lol… anyone can make this video…. you damn idiot… this video is so subjective its laughable… anyone in their right mind knows it was clearly made by a japanese individual (right wing bigot). It is not comfort women when the women volunteer and are not forced as they were back in WW2…

          • noshitbutsmile

            Sure it looks made by Japanese. dont care right or left wing bigot. Asdie from subtitles and music, photos of clippings of old korean newspapers looks very real. anybody shold be able to check at your national archive. What you read from those clippings shall give you good chances to know what went on those days.
            I dnot agree with you in that as much as 200thosand koreans are forced to work at Japanese comfort stations.
            Finally you donot have to throu dirty words to me. Grow up
            some Kid.

          • nitrostat

            yea.. so you do acknowledge since anyone can make this video.. it is from a subjective point of view. Also because they are just “clippings” its can be easily altered to for biased perspectives…. here is what a objective documentary really looks like… watch closely and learn

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgtIyNRv3g8

            an example about unit 731… from the history channel…

            also ill stop throwing dirty words when you get facts through your thick skull. As i have already said.. you spout opinions.. and I’m pointing out history… i.e. “i dont agree with you” clause yet you have no proof to back it up.. point in case.

          • noshitbutsmile

            I am not sure which one of my postings you are answering to by this comment. Not sure if you have been reading my posting in correct chronological order either. anyway. Yes I know this one, I have watched lots of youtube videos related to U731. Newspaper clipping. arent they objective? Those are Korean papers, not Japanese, the dates are after WW2, Japanese not there any longer.
            US wartime information report is obejective, isnt it? US is 3rd party, ex-enemy, on the side to judge war criminals.
            nothing to gain to report lies.
            Now am awaiting what you got from seeing the report cause you dared me
            I will loook into this video once again and may come back later cause it seems longer than 40min.

          • noshitbutsmile

            Nitrostat

            I watched this again and remembered I got so frustrated last year. I must say NOTHING to watch closely and learn. No way one can call this kind of video-clip a objective documentary once it contains fake photes simply trying to inprint horrifying image into people’s brain.Those ugly photos, I gave you examples.

            1) The guy standing next to pile of dead bodies, burned bodies. ===The Fake this photo was shot when pest prevaild in Manchuria in 1910

            2) Doctor sticking hands into cleft belly of dead woman on an operating table-=Such an fake. This photo from Shandong upheaval memmorial photo books (山東省動乱記念写真帖

            ) where this female victim wearing Japanese Tabi(footsocks)is Japanese woman, the victim from Jinnan Incident 1928, where Chinese attached and massacred Japanese residents. Actually this is just a BS, used as photo proof for U731 in Korean news paper YONHAPNEWS, used in Chinese Text Book, a wax figures in the meorial, quoted in Raoe of Nanking by IrisChan. Enough for those BS!
            As for Japanese testifying in the vide, notorious here in Japan, Yoshio Shinozuka, a returned from Chinese brainwashcamp, who claimed joined U731 in 1939 when 14YEAS OLD without any medical degree.

    • reality check!

      Buddy… President Part and American Born Koreans don’t need to disgrace the Japanese…

      You guys are doing a fine, fine job on your own…

      Keep on posting! you are doing us all a HUGE favor!

      • redwhitedude

        Yeah, really. They are making fools of themselves.

        • noshitbutsmile

          You too, keep hating us for 1000 more years. The victims’s anger never disspear no matter what right?

          • nosmilebutshit

            another Japanese denial favourite, blame the victims for all the hate!

      • noshitbutsmile

        I dnot know where you are from but you are no different from any other stupid korean right wingers, just abuse Japanese people, hated anything related to Japanese. What is wrong with my question? Yes your right I was fool , misjudged you guys are worth communicating on these issues.

    • Citizen

      We are disgracing japan because what they did was disgraceful

  • commander

    In my view, one of the crucial motivations behind the bill’s passage is that the United States want to make it clear that it will not give carte blanche to Japan when Tokyo seeks to turn itself into a rearmed “normal” country while blatanttly touching raw nerves of China and South Korea, two states that are both vital for a successful rebalancing toward Asia by Washington.

    The United States will stand by Japan as long as the island country does not reduce the spectrum of its policy toward China, a country that Washington views as an serious challenger to its primacy in Northeast Asia and as a partner to sustain the global economic growth.

    The American ambivalence toward Beijing implies that although a militarily stronger Japan can be a counterbalance against China, Washington-Tokyo relations can be a secondary priority in relation to Sino-American ties.

    Former President Nixon’s visit to China and ensuing establishment of Washington-Beijing diplomatic ties still remains a disturbing reminder of a fear among Japanese leaders that the United States does not rely on Japan as much as the latter does. In a nutshell, there is a fear of abandonment by the United States in Japan’s subconsciousness.

    But there appears few options available to Japan except for dependence on the United States, especially when Abe strives to achieve what he sees as a lifetime mission for a greater Japan: Striking down the American-imposed pacifist constitution in the perception that its elimination requires U.S. tacit approval. Without the American nod, Abe’s patriotic quest will face immense backlash from China and South Korea.

    (Actually without rearmament, Japan’s long cherished dream of becoming a permanent member of the U.N. Security Council is just a wishful thinking.)

    But the United States is well aware of complexity in its bilateral relations with China.

    Without Chinese purchasing of T bonds, the massive stimulus packages that salvaged the Untited States from teering on the brink of a finanical implosion would be not possible.

    Without policy coordination with Beijing, any attempts to stop or slow global warning and other formidable environmental challenges would not find a path to success.

    Of course, in the eyes of policy makers in Washington, China is a country that threatens American hegemony in the region, as is illustrated in territorial rows in South China Sea and in its rapidly augumented naval power.

    These complex nature of its bilateral ties with China requires the United States to formulate a policy that discourages Chinese revionist impulses and help assimilation into an American-led market democracy order.

    But as in the passage of the bill, the United States appears to begin perceiving that Japan’s provocative actions provide nationalists in China with the pretext to beef up its military and expand its sphere pf influence more daringly.

    As a result, the United States appears to take a shrewd stance of backing Japan when China makes an provocative move first and of signaling its unwillingness of support for Japan when Tokyo takes a inflammatory move first.

    South Korea needs to see through the limits of American endurance with Japan’s jingoism and warn the U.S. that an unbridled Japan could be a peace agitator in Northeast Asia, and convince the United States and China that a reunified Korea will become an effective force in maintainng regional stability without adversely affecting vital national interests of boths sides on the Pacific.

    • zachary T

      must disagree with you on some points. we should not depend on Communist China for our economy, when have communists EVER understood economics? Yes Nixon and Kissinger pulled a fast one on Japan and much of Asia with their detente with Mao and Deng, and the Chinese Commies never hassled us again? thanks Nixon!
      Also Korean unification will never happen as long as there are communist in charge of the mainland. they could hand over the North today, but they would require the South to cut basically all ties with the US. while many in SK and the US would like to take all of our military out of SK, that would basically make Korea a Chinese protectorate like they were before Japanese annexation. A unified, strong Korea would be great for East Asia, for the US, and for the Korean people…but would be a thorn in the side of communist china, so no matter what Korea says to the communists, they will never willingly give up their buffer state of North Korea.

      • commander

        China is communist in political system but transforming itself into a market economy.

        You appear to forget the fact that the US economy have relied heavily on cheap Chinese materials or intermedite materials for what is known as the American public’s tendence of bigger consumption in relation to other countries.

        The notable example of American heavy reliabce on the Chinese economy is the manufacturing of Apple’s iPhone.

        As you know, Apple subcontracts out iPhone production to China taking advantage of cheap labor.

        Can you still say China is not a reliable economic partner just because of Bejing’s proclaimed communist ideology, which is now challeged in many ways?

        As for the reunificaton of two Koreas, there is cgange in Chinese perception of Northeast Asia security landscape.

        U.S.-Japan alliance is said to present a united front against a rising China, ad this is what international relations wathchers agree to.

        But Beijing begina to realize that a perceived anti China grouping also serve as a rein to curb Japan’s amibiotious outreach as the United States fear a militarily beefed up Japan could be a also a threat to its Pacific dominance.

        After all,there is no permanent friend and adverary in international poitics.

        As a South Korean having profound interest in international relations, I want to say about a possibility of a reunified Korea like this way.

        Although China feels geographically vulnerable to a loss of North Korea, what is conceived a a buffer state against the United States, the North’s continued nuclear “rampage” offers Japan’s opportunity to step up its miitary capabilities.

        And if South Korea thread a diplomatically balanced path that neigher irk the Uited States and nor rub China the wrong way, there is a prospect of reunificaton for two Koreas.

  • Brett

    This should spare some grief next time I tell someone I am American.

  • BigWheels

    I understand how frustrating it is for the Koreans. But I urge Koreans to not talk so badly about *all* Japanese by calling them monkeys. The right-wing bigots who deny war crimes are the monkeys, totally. But not all Japanese are like that – Mike Honda, the Japanese-American who was largely instrumental in this legislation is one example.

    Koreans and Japanese have a common enemy, and it’s right wing bigots. Not each other.

    • chucky3176

      The term “monkeys” refer to Japanese right wing, internet warriors, anti Korean demonstrators, and their Japanese right wing politicians.

      Notice Mike Honda who is of Japanese extraction, only gets gratefulness.

      • BigWheels

        Agreed

      • noshitbutsmile

        JFYI Typical Japanese right wing making noises on the streets, most of them are koreans living in Japan using Japanese nickname.

        • reality check!

          Also all the crimes in Japan are not committed by REAL Japanese but Koreans using Japanese nicknames…

          Just saying… Moron…

          • noshitbutsmile

            I dont care if you like it or not but it is true.. Moron..

        • It_is_true?

          Holly cow. It explain a lot how most Koreans deal with the Vietnam issues.

      • firebert5

        By some.

  • 1029384756

    What will all the ahjummas do after this? Am I to seriously believe this is all that Korea wanted from their neighbors?

    Japan apologizes. Then what? Korea says ok thanks that’s all we wanted for the past 60 years?

    Fat chance.

    • Brett

      We’ve never had a chance to find out what would happen.

      • 1029384756

        You’re right. However most of the Koreans who hate Japan just rally behind comfort woman as a legitimate reason to continue hating them. Once Japan apologizes, there will be some new thing to hate them for.

        It’s a never ending cycle. I think the people who say “All we want is for Japan to apologize for comfort women!” are bold faced liars.

        • zachary T

          true, there are many people on both sides of the Sea that regret and feel bad for the women. such a heart breaking issue can be used by Korean politicians for their own purposes, putting some Japanese politicians in a defensive mode. I hope it gets solved soon, for the sake of the surviving women and to move on to other issues of equal importance.

  • Mighty曹

    It’s about fucking time! The US should have done this long ago. Next, The Rape of Nanking.

    Btw, the smiling dude with the rifle in the photo doesn’t appear to be a Japanese soldier. Does anyone have any info on that? Maybe a Korean guard much like the Nazis used Jews in the camps?

    • chucky3176

      Agreed with you there. The US not only left all the war criminals who committed crimes against Asians off the hook, they left fully intact, all the Japanese apparatus that were involved in conquering Asia. In the name of fighting Communism, the US went very easy on Japan because fighting communism was more important to them anything else. Few examples include, the US let off the Unit 731 doctors in return for their research papers, they let the Japanese Emperor remain as the divine leader, the government of Japan and its cabinet ministers responsible for war and war crimes, largely intact, and the US even allowed Japan to reprocess spent nuclear fuel in 1977, knowing full well this would allow Japan to make thousands of nuclear weapons (this news only came out couple of days ago), while in the midst of advocating no-proliferation efforts to stop the nuclear weapons development throughout the world. The result is the mess we see in Asia today. So the US can’t just wash their hands and say it’s none of their business.

      This is so unlike in what happened in Germany, where they totally cleaned out and purged out the German leaders who were responsible for the war and the war crimes.

      • zachary T

        Japan and Germany were different dude. While there were many missteps and odd dealing done to stop aggressive communism, you can not compare the two. and West Germany was not “cleaned out and purged” until the 60’s, in fact the biggest propaganda East Germany used about how bad the west was, was using the fact that former Nazis still were in the West German government.

        • It_is_true?

          Not truth. The Jews and US was there to take care that there are Nazi in the government.

      • Mighty曹

        There were lots of deals made with the Axis. German scientists put the Americans into space for one. Also the experimental data from Unit-731 was shared with the US. (Maybe that’s why we have the leading pharmaceutical companies). haha…

      • Ted

        Haha. German intelligence after the war was known under the name ‘gestapo boys’ for a reason!

    • lonetrey / Dan

      Took the words right out of my mouth. A firmer stance should have been taken earlier.

      • Mighty曹

        Hey Dan, how ya been?

        • lonetrey / Dan

          busy as hell, working 10 hours every weekday, and unevenly on weekends too, so I don’t get to check as often. Hope you’ve been well!

          • Mighty曹

            That’s great! At least you’re working. Last year you were complaining about not working. Gong Xi Fa Cai!

    • It_is_true?

      Die Nazi haben nur ein Fehler gemacht. Die chinesen von Nanking vor den Japaner gerettet.

    • nitrostat

      i totally agree. 100%.. the rape of nanking and unit731… all of them… the battoun death march… etc… i’m not talking about only the Asians… im talking about all the atrocities..

      • Mighty曹

        And for introducing Hello Kitty to the world.

        • nitrostat

          what about kerropi and dbz.. cmon they did introduce some awesome shit into this world… wouldn’t you agree ?

          • Mighty曹

            Haha yeah, my ex had a collection of Kerropi and Pekkle stuffs. I have to say when it comes to electronic gadgets and cars my first (and mostly only) choice is a Japanese brand.

  • fhdkle

    The Japanese government has apologized many times but koreans won’t accept it. What do they want? It’s Korea’s problem if they cannot forgive. The other side has done everything possible.

    • chucky3176

      Yah ya yah.. such a typical bull shit argument.

    • BigWheels

      Someone rapes your family. Says sorry. Then denies it later.

      “Why are you so mad? They apologised!!” <- your logic

      • 1029384756

        Someone rapes your family. Says sorry. Someone else says it didn’t happen.

        “ALL OF JAPAN IS MONKEY WAR CRIMINALS!!!!!!” <- your logic

        • reality check!

          Not quite… you Japanese Apologist like misinform… distort… distort… then justify crimes made by the Japanese government… carry on ask you like but… Bull shit is after all still shit…

        • A Pinky Promise

          And Japan these days is like
          “It’s all fucking CHON’s faults!! Die CHONS LOL”

          • noshitbutsil

            Well, JapanCrush, 2ch, Zaitokukai, those does not represet Japan. just in case.

          • A Pinky Promise

            Aren’t 2ch, Yahoo Japan, Niconico the biggest web communities in Japan? If those don’t represent Japan, then I seriously wonder what does.

          • noshitbutsmile

            2ch is for 13yearold kids youguys were calling right?
            If you limit to the net-community, Twitter may be good
            where you find Japanese abusing Japanese over these kind of issues but you need to understand Japanese. I have no idea about Yahoo and Niconico. BUT I would say more Japanese started feeling repellence for sure, which maybe
            the reason why Abe is being still supported not so bad.
            Do you think you feel good calling us monkeys monkeys
            小日本 小日本 in those virtual communities like some guys here often use dirty words. I don’t.

    • redwhitedude

      When did the Japanese apologize? Their conduct says that they haven’t and don’t want to.

      • noshitbutsmile

        1972 Tanaka PM
        1982 Suzuki
        1982 Miyazawa Chief of Cabinet
        1984 Showa Emperor
        1984 Nakasone PM
        1990 Kaifu PM
        1992 Miyazawa PM x 2wice
        1992 Kato Chief of Cabinet
        1993 Kono Chief of Cabinet
        1993 Hosokawa PM x 2wice
        1994 Murayama PM
        1995 Resolutions House of Rep 50yrs anniv from WW2
        1995 Murayama PM x 2wice
        1996 Hashimoto PM
        1996 Imagami Emperor
        1997 Hashimoto PM x 3 times
        1998 Obuchi PM
        2000 Kono a Foreign minister
        2001 Fukuda Chief of Cabinet
        2001 Tanaka a Foreign minister
        2001~2005 Koizumi PM x 6 times

        Those are apologies made by Japan, No falling down on their knees
        nor kneel down on the grounds. but Japan made at least almost
        everytime PM changes. Of corse it is up to you if you judge those are not sincere.

        • redwhitedude

          Are these official government apologies or are they just showing “remorse” from them as individuals? I don’t see any official government apologies.

          • noshitbutsmile

            1972 Tanaka PM Joint Communique Japan& PRChina

            1982 Suzuki PM

            1982 Miyazawa Chief of Cabinet Publish remark re Japanese history text book

            1984 Showa Emperor Imperial Court Dinner for Korean President 전두환

            1984 Nakasone PM Welcome Lunch for the Mr&Mrs Korean President

            1990 Kinjou Emperor Imperial Court dinner for Korean President 노태우

            1990 Kaifu PM Welcome Dinner fir Mr&Mrs Korean Presidents

            1992 Miyazawa PM x 2wice Welcome Dinner for 노태우 and on his own visit to S.Korea

            1992 Kato Chief of Cabinet Remarks Comfort women

            1993 Kono Chief of Cabinet Remakrs Comfort women

            1993 Hosokawa PM x 2wice in Initial General Policy Speech

            1994 Murayama PM This must be known for sure.

            1995 Resolutions House of Rep 50yrs anniv from WW2 self-explanatory

            1995 Murayama PM x 2wice Upon Setting Asian women Fund and Murayama Danwa

            1996 Hashimoto PM Japan S.Korea Joint Comminique

            1996 Kinjou Emperor Imperial Court Dinner for Korean President Kim Tae-Jung

            1997 Hashimoto PM x 3 times Offcial Press Conference and in the official letter to Holland PM

            1998 Obuchi PM J apan SKorea Joint Comminuque

            2000 Kono a Foreign minister Official Speech

            2001 Fukuda Chief of Cabinet  Remarks on Japanese new text book

            2001 Tanaka a Foreign minister Memorial Ceremony 50years Aniv SC peace treaty

            2001~2005 Koizumi PM x 6 time
            In 1)Japan-SKorea joint talk
            2)Letter to the former comfort women/war-time victims
            3)Japan and North Korea PyongYang declaration
            4)memorial service for the war dead
            5)Asia -Africa Summit
            6)PM Remarks

          • redwhitedude

            Was there any resolution passed by the Japanese Diet that offers a formal apology? Nope. These are just individuals offering words of remorse. You need a resolution passed by the diet to offer a formal apology on the part of the japanese government. The US apologized to the Japanese American interment in WWII by passing the Civil Liberties Act in 1988. The list that you came up is only individual ministers just making statements of remorse. An official government apology is what is being asked.

          • It_is_true?

            Oh geez… Let the past and keep move on. Did not you told it to the Vietnamese?
            Double standard.

          • redwhitedude

            There was an apology from Kim Dae Jung to the vietnamese for the atrocities in vietnam which were far smaller in scale than those of Japan committed to Koreans. Also what business do you have to butt in on this? This is between vietnam and Korea. Don’t speak on behalf of the vietnamese you twerp. You can’t move on without recognizing the misdeeds of the past.

          • noshitbutsmile

            Yes very short one. maybe it is OK according to your scale comparison isn’t it? When DJ is making apology in Vietnam, Park Guen Hye back home blamed DJ hard with metaphor, The same as Apology to Kin Jong-il N.Korea disgracing dishonoring S.Korean soldiers and mother contry. Vietnam , on the hand , was in the position, no appology necessary as we won the war. Last yaer Media so interested what President Park sould say. SILENCE just business, never speak any about history. Funny Huh?

          • noshitbutsmile

            You really like comparing the size of scalen and base your argument on it dont you? Do you really believe if it is fair?
            to People in Korea, what sort of number for deth casualties, rapes, in korean atrocities if you can roughly count? You killed alot in villages as they were vetcons guerillas hiding pretending civilians. Is it so diiferent from socalled Nanking Massacre if such thing really exsited?

      • noshitbutsmile

        BTW France never apologized to Vietnam after 60years of colonization to the same extent Japan did. Vietnam didnot ask for it. Holland never aplogized to Indonesia after 300years of colonizations to the extent Japan did. There are sarcams in brithsh papar it is rare and actually weard for a country keeps aplogizing this many times for the same war.

        • redwhitedude

          Japan hasn’t really apologized so you can’t really say that Japan is better than them.

          • noshitbutsmile

            After seeing the list of apologies at various occasions far above, what would be the form of apology enough to satisfy you koreans. Emperor kneel on the ground to Korean Independent activits as clarified by former president 이명박?

          • redwhitedude

            You apologize by passing a formal resolution to that effect by the Japanese Diet. Just look at how the US apologized to the Japanese-American internment in WWII. All those supposed “apologies” are just individual minister showing “remorse”. An official resolution means that it is an apology from the Japanese government.

          • noshitbutsmile

            1995 Resolutions passed by House of Rep and Murayama Remarks.

            BTW, do you even know how all those apologies were worded?

            I dont think it is intuitively clear to use your suggestion, ie. US apologized to her own citizen (Japanese Americans)

            Do you even know one simple example of the country who aplogized by passing resolutions to the victim country of war crimes?

            Besides, as far as S.Korea goes, Japan didnot even fight against Korea. I would not debate whether it was annexation or colonization.

            Furthermore do you even know one sigle country who apologzied to its former colonnies? Like Japan did? Did UK, US, France, Italy, Netherland, Spain, Portgal apologized to India, Vietnam, Indonesia, Fillipine, HongKong, Shanghai(leased territory). Did Germany apologize to Austria, Poland? Teach me.
            Germany aplogized to Jew victims falling down on the knees but Germans put everything on the shoulders of Natiz as accounted for war crimes, despite the fact Hitler was elected completely democratically by the election. Is Germany way good enough to you?

          • redwhitedude

            Really? What does the 1995 resolution say?

          • noshitbutsmile

            Let me come back with this. I promise if it is OK with my poor translation but I dont promise when

          • noshitbutsmile

            Redwhitedude

            Here is english version from Wiki

            The Resolution to Renew the Determination for Peace on the Basis of Lessons Learned from History

            The House of Representatives resolves as follows:

            On the occasion of the 50th anniversary of the end of World War II, this House offers its sincere condolences to those who fell in action and victims of wars and similar actions all over the world.

            Solemnly reflecting upon many instances of colonial rule and acts of aggression in the modern history of the world, and recognizing that Japan carried out those acts in the past, inflicting pain and suffering upon the peoples of other countries, especially in Asia, the Members of this House express a sense of deep remorse.

            We must transcend the differences over historical views of the past war and learn humbly the lessons of history so as to build a peaceful international society.

            This House expresses its resolve, under the banner of eternal peace enshrined in the Constitution of Japan, to join hands with other nations of the world and to pave the way to a future that allows all human beings to live together.

          • redwhitedude

            Too vague.
            It’s like trying to get an apology who is not trying to do it.
            See this Civil liberties act of 1988 on Japanese American internment in WWII. See how explicit it is. The US actually set up a commission to investigate and followed it up with this. Japan’s “apology” is too vague and they didn’t look into this thoroughly. It’s crystal clear as to what they are referring instead of some vague “acts in the past, inflicting pain and suffering” it doesn’t even mention the countries in question or the people.

            Here read the actual act.
            http://www.internmentarchives.com/showdoc.php?docid=00055&search_id=19269&pagenum=1

            FYI I wouldn’t rely too much on wiki and I would try to source it directly as much as possible.

          • noshitbutsmile

            That is it then. Cant help it. I still dont see the point of your bringing the case onto ghe table, where US apologize to its own citizen. If this is too vague, and if any other PM’s and Emperor’s statements are not good enough, Cant help it really. In such case, on the same basis of assesment, DJ’s apologizing comments in Vietnam would not be even counted as an apology of S.Korea.

            Now back to square one. Focusing only on Japan-S.Korean relation,I have to repeat what I post yesterday. What is the point of making apology?

            There is no such country who made apology to its former colonies for colonization/annexation. That is reality of humaine history. You may not like it at all but that may be reality.

            I looked at original Japanese and compared to English translation in wiki. Those are good, far better than muy own translation.

          • redwhitedude

            Not all the Japanese Americans were US citizens FYI.

          • noshitbutsmile

            My Point there was that France and Holland (wrongdoers) didnot apologize and did not pay any reparations. The Victims (Vietnam and Indo-nesia) didnot even ask for those.
            Korea keeps demanding new apology as symbolized by the remarks made by Your president Park, saying the relation between the wrongdoer and victim never change for next 1000 years.

          • It_is_true?

            Japan behave is absolutely better the the Koreans. Japan apologized and paid for…
            How many times did you guys did apologized to the Vietnamese?

        • Basher

          BTW I never apologised to the kid i punched i primary school. So how dare you ask Japan to apologise. The nerves of these people!

    • Brett

      If they’ve apologized already, why does America (a third party and allies of both Japan and S. Korea) now require Japan to give an apology?

      • noshitbutsmile

        Ask Obama

    • Zeekk

      Apologized? Just how long will it take for Japan to fulfill a real/genuine apology.

      Even now their apologies are a joke. This wish wash back and forth meaningless gestures don’t mean anything. This crap is still going on even right this moment. I frequent BBC’s news website since they are quite reputable and you know what I see in the Asia section of news this week?
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25880481
      “The new head of Japan’s national broadcaster NHK comments about comfort women”

      The problem with Japan is constant stuff like this. As expected as obvious as the numbers on the clock, seen dozens and dozens of times repeatedly by Japan’s elite/politicians. You get your Backlash for such statements then your typical bullshit “apology” for making such statements. When he shouldn’t have been saying that in the first place. Damage already done… again, for the 100th time.

      This is old tiresome behavior by Japan. With the same repeated insults and poor attempt at saving face/shifting blame/reducing guilt by trying desperately “but they did it too” defense. The lack of understanding between the difference of government enforced sexual slaves (comfort women) on a MASSIVE scale vs a economic driven brothel/sex industry of other nations is his and many other Japanese elite attempts to shift the spotlight/guilt as he mentions in his statement. AGAIN to sidetrack and using bullshit excuses. Then after media outcry, the same response just like all the dozens and dozens of other politcians/corporate elite saying “i’m sorry” after already spitting out their shit through their mouths.

      Just how long are we going to keep seeing this repeated behavior from the Japanese elite? Its been done so many times most people already know what happens next. insult, media/internet/international backlash, then pointless apology. And the apology doesn’t even specify that what he said was wrong, just that he talked about it in a inappropriate setting!!! How much more insulting can the guy get?

      I consider stuff like this is one of the most significant American blunders and international decisions of Asia after the war. This grudge should’ve been solved back then, and Japan should right now be in a position where NO politician could make such rash statements. This stuff should’ve been ingrained in to Japans memory much like Germany, but due to US priority regarding Russia it was chosen to not be repeated in Japan in favor of quickly establishing domestic stability and rebuilding the nation.

      However! Ultimately it is Japan’s responsibility to make amends but they have shown for the past century that they have no desire to do such things. The moment of making amends is closing or has already closed. All Japan is doing is maintaining their isolationism and closed minded thinking. They cannot continue this route during a time of globalization. This will continue to hurt their relations and domestic economy in the region indefinitely. They need to resolve this now… but I KNOW Japan has no desire to do so, and that is really sad to be honest.

      Japan may have done their share in financial reparations, but they have done nothing to heal and comfort the mind/heart of the people in nations they had harmed during Japan’s war expansion. Japan’s future is bleak and I foresee hardships that will lead them once again into extremist territory and revisionist thinking. When life gets hard people get more rabid. This applies to all nations, especially Japan.

    • Will

      fhdkle and 13 people don’t mind being raped by the japanese

  • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

    Here let me summarize again
    America Steps in; says “Japan, Apologize! Korea, Shut Up!”

    • redwhitedude

      Except the Korean government hasn’t been mouthing off about this. Korean people may have but not the government. The government hasn’t let its mouth run off like certain Japanese officials.

  • nqk123

    here the scenario:
    US: manage to force Japan to apologize

    Japan: japan make apology

    Korea: apology not sincere enough, some others issues popup

    Japan: japan taking back apology, continue to deny everything

    world opinions: group 1: japan apologized, group2: not sincere enough, or failed to apologized for this or that. then group 3: me and everyone else shaking head mumbling wtf

    conclusion: back to nowhere

    • redwhitedude

      When did Japan ever apologize?

      Did Japan even apologize to the US for the Bataan Death march? Oh wait the US didn’t bother pressing them on that while the US apologized to ethnic Japanese for their internment. Shows the colors that Japan shows and it isn’t just to Korea.

      • nqk123

        wtf are you talking about. you can’t tell this is merely a “possible scenario” that most people think will likely happen.

        • reality check!

          WTF are you talking about “this will likely happen”

          You hypothesize about a scenario that will NEVER happen because no matter what the US does… Japan (as in Government)… especially when the populace vote the right wing into power… will NEVER offer a “sincere” apology that specifically references war time atrocities towards Korea… Without following up with denials or down playing the grievances… THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN PROVEN to be the case…

          Come back to reality and stop trying to use hypothetical scenario’s to justify your bull shit.

          • nqk123

            you sure did a good job confirming the outcome my scenario. people like you are the reason why my conclusion will be true.

          • reality check!

            proven that you are an idiot!

            I sure did!

            (ˇ_ˇ”) ƪ(˘⌣˘)┐ ƪ(˘⌣˘)ʃ ┌(˘⌣˘)ʃ

          • reality check!

            Poking fun aside…

            If a sincere apology is made then followed up with solid actions… they YES I for one would look at the Japanese Government in a new light.

            Challenge for you… To put your time and energy into making your hypothetical scenario into action and PROVE ME WRONG… Lobby your government to do so. I dare you but based on your line of comments you can’t handle the inconvenient truth…

            You’re simple “people like you are the reason why my conclusion will be true.” response is lazy response that only added to your discredit.

          • One for all

            1965 treaty, compensation for victims and billions of dollars in soft loans (all of which was gladly taken by the Korean government) not sincere enough?

          • chucky3176

            The 1965 treaty were $250 million in grants and $550 million in loans. It was called the “Normalization Treaty”, which was a treaty that restored the diplomatic relations with Japan and South Korea. Nowhere does it claim it was an ‘apology’, nor was it called a ‘compensation’ nor, ‘war reparations’. The Japanese carefully worded the treaty to avoid those words so that they never admitted that Japan did any wrong. It merely states, with this money, the current grievances between the two people are to be ended, and that the diplomatic relations are to be restored. So no, pointing to the 1965 treaty as a Japanese apology is incorrect.

          • One for all

            Korea could have refused the agreement and demanded the wording to be changed….they had the chance didn’t, or chose not to take it.

            And then we have the hypocrisy of the Korean government actively recruiting its own female citizens for prostitution around US military bases and camp towns up to the 90s…families sold their daughters and used the money to send their sons to school. These women are still alive and you can still meet many of them…but the government doesn’t want you to know about that. It’s only bad when Japan does it.

            As much as I would love for Japan to make an official apology with the whole nine yards and everything, I’m damn well sure it will not be the end of the story. The Japanese know this and the Koreans sure as hell know this.

            I don’t believe for one, that the Korean government will whole-heartedly accept this apology. They will simply find another anti-Japan bandwagon and transfer all their energy into it. Japan could apologize every year for the next 40 years and it still wouldn’t be enough.

            I’m not saying the Japanese government is innocent in all this, they have their own special moments of retarded actions as well (plenty)…but the best thing for all those involved would be to simply move on and find mutual grounds for respect and cooperation. Although that is just an unrealistic pipe dream

          • chucky3176

            “Korea could have refused the agreement and demanded the wording to be changed….they had the chance didn’t, or chose not to take it.”

            In Korea’s point of view, the agreement was to restore diplomatic relations with Japan, and get what economic aid they can get in return. Japan’s economic aid was helpful to Korea, but Japan’s profit in Korea was multiple times their investment.

            “And then we have the hypocrisy of the Korean government actively recruiting its own female citizens for prostitution around US military bases and camp towns up to the 90s…families sold their daughters and used the money to send their sons to school. These women are still alive and you can still meet many of them…but the government doesn’t want you to know about that. It’s only bad when Japan does it.”

            The Kijicheons were set up by Park Chung Hee’s government from 1960’s to 1970’s to service US troops. The camp towns were built around US military bases where the hired prostitutes plied their trade. I don’t know why you think this is being hidden in Korea, when it’s common knowledge in Korea. Wishful thinking much? As much as it was revolting the ideal that the Korean government was directly involved in building prostitution houses, there are several important differences from Japanese government forcibly recruiting women through force or through fraud. The Kijicheon girls were mostly poor girls from the countrysides who volunteered to earn money to send back home to their families. And unlike the comfort women, they did not get dragged into battle fields, nor were they forced to have sex for free, and nor were they unable to leave if they wanted to.

            “I don’t believe for one, that the Korean government will whole-heartedly accept this apology. They will simply find another anti-Japan bandwagon and transfer all their energy into it.”

            Based on what, how are you so sure, when Japan has never tried what you suggest?

            “I’m not saying the Japanese government is innocent in all this,”

            Don’t lie. That’s exactly what’s your saying,

          • One for all

            These girls were often disowned by the same families that sold them for bringing disgrace if they ever went back. You think they only sent money home? The government and the BOK were basically a giant pimp. The girls had to pay a certain fee to the government on a regular basis and they were encouraged to sleep with as many johns as possible to get as much money for their country as they could.

            Once Korea was able to stand on its own feet, these women were cast aside and deliberately left to rot. Many cannot feed or support themselves today and have no one to care for them…betrayed by the same people that continue to hamper on about the comfort women issue.

            You act like it was some kind of benevolent act by the government to help girls earn money for their families. Most of the earnings went to the Bank of Korea never to be seen again by the people that put them there.

            The lucky ones were able to marry a soldier and eventually leave the country, because there was nothing for them here at the time.

            The fact that you are trying to say their story is not as serious as the comfort women issue just shows how nationalistic pride can cloud your judgement.

          • chucky3176

            Where did I say the Kijicheons were benovolent acts by Korean government? I said as much as it was a vile act, it still doesn’t compare to the Japanese government’s vile act where girls as young as 15 were forced to have sex with Japanese soldiers who were lined up outside by the hundreds. And then they were killed when they tried to escape. Thousands of comfort women died on the battle fields because they couldn’t escape. In no way do I say what the Korean government did was good, but that is an entirely separate issue, entirely different from the Japanese comfort women issue which the scale of organization and level of cruelty was unmatched by anyone – despite you and Japanese people’s attempts at diversionary tactics.

          • One for all

            Well, my point is that Korea needs to clean house first before accusing other’s homes of being dirty.

            The Korean government cannot continue to go around chasing the Japanese for an apology while blatantly refusing to address their actions against their own citizens in their own country

          • Chucky3176

            Why can’t Korea clean house and get an apology from Japan at the same time? The issue of Kijicheon women are mostly about exploitation of women and activists working to prevent further exploitation of women. On the other hand, the scale of inhumanity and level of violence and deaths, were far bigger in the case of Comfort women. What they want on the other hand, is a simple recognition from Japanese government.

          • One for all

            Of course, Korea can do both.

            Just show me where the politicians are actively protesting for an apology and compensation to Kijicheon women and I will gladly sign up to both causes

          • Sillian

            There is this organization called like Kijichon Women’s Rights Coalition (기지촌여성인권연대). They work with the group dealing with the comfort women problems (정신대문제대책협의회).

            http://www.ohmynews.com/NWS_Web/View/at_pg.aspx?CNTN_CD=A0001938816

          • One for all

            Thanks for the link.

            Why aren’t there any letters sent to international media about this? Why aren’t people protesting outside the blue house on this matter? Where is the public outrage? Why isn’t this history being taught in schools?

          • Sillian

            What I know for sure is that the Kijichon women’s support group has direct contact with DP lawmakers who have raised the issue for legislation.

          • nitrostat

            on that note… why is japan denying history regarding the atrocities they committed during ww2? i don’t see it in their text books.. take a look at germany for example… and see a difference of acknowledging wrong doings vs turning a blind eye and acting as if nothing ever happened…

          • One for all

            exactly. take a look at Germany and see how they acknowledge their wrongdoings….something Korea is still unwilling to do for its own citizens….and yet goes out chasing others for doing the same thing

          • It_is_true?

            You should not request what you can not deliver.

            …”Why can’t Korea clean house and get an apology from Japan at the same time?”…

          • It_is_true?

            100% agree.
            “Well, my point is that Korea needs to clean house first before accusing other’s homes of being dirty.”

          • redwhitedude

            Japan needs to clean house before denying and complaining about Koreans picking on it. It committed an atrocity in the past and now its effort on combating human trafficking according to the US falls short and is worse than Korea.

          • redwhitedude

            Sure Korea needs to clean house now but that is the issue with criminals operating within the country however the comfort women issue is about a state sanctioned criminal act unlike what is being pointed out which is criminal elements committing crime. 2 very different issue and according to the US state department on things like human trafficking which is very tied to sex crimes Japan is worse than Korea.

          • One for all

            What are you talking about? Kijicheon women was a state-sanctioned trafficking and prostitution business operated by the Korean government to put GI money into the bank of Korea. i.e. state-sanctioned pimping….this was not criminals operating within the country, this was the country selling its own women. Once enough money was made, these women were cast out like garbage.

            Like I’ve said before, many are still alive today, and will be for at least the next 10, 20 maybe even 30 years….their story is just as powerful as the comfort women, when will the government officially apologize to them and compensate them?

          • noshitbutsmile

            Will you please give me an idea?
            where did you learn that 15 yrs old girl story? Is she still alive? Do you know her name? Is there any proofs written in english available on the net? Thanks

          • Ted

            where girls as young as 15 were forced to have sex with Japanese soldiers who were lined up outside by the hundreds.

            There are Korean kids kidnapped and forced to work without compensation. It’s happening right now in Korea. Not North. It’s happening in the South.

          • redwhitedude

            Oh you mean things like runaway teens and sex trafficking going on right now? Hmmm.. I think Japan is considered to be worse in that regard than Korea according to the US state department. The key difference is that this is carried out by criminals. The issue with comfort women was state sanctioned and pushed along by the Japanese military. Big difference between the two. One is carried out by criminal elements who take advantage of young victims without state sanction the other is organized and sanctioned by the state.

          • reality cehck!

            Thanks for posting the details of the 1965 treaty!

          • reality check!

            With all the recent (and past) denials, whitewashing, justifications made by the Japanese Government since and Apologist? how can you call them sincere?

            The Japanese Government has done the Japanese people a tremendous injustice by failing to educate the general population about history…

            Your failure to understand the simple fact that the 1965 treaty was not an apology nor compensation for any atrocities is not surprising and often used as default response to any one who calls out Apologists like yourself (unless you are truly asking because you don’t know… in that case I apologize for calling you an Apologist)…

            To put in laymen terms…

            Actions speak louder than words…

          • One for all

            I’m not an apologist. I am simply seeing the situation from an objective viewpoint.

            Korea could have refused to sign the 1965 treaty and it could have refused to take the money.

            By the way, are you aware the government never made the money available to the victims? The ones that pursued the issue were threatened with withdrawal of the government’s financial support if they took the Japanese compensation.

          • reality check!

            kind of fooled me because you are only posting from the Japanese stand point (that is until you responded to Chucky… last paragraph at that). Either way apologies for referring to you as an Apologist.

            Yes, I am aware o the funds never making it to the victims and at the time that government that was put in place by the US after the Korean war, had zero back bone to stand up and voice what was right.

            After the Korean war, the nation was a 3rd world country with one of the lowest GDP. People in power back then were more incline to line their own pockets after the war… Just like how the people in power in Japan did after WW2. So there is ZERO surprise there.

            Regardless of all of the above, there is still a serious lack of sincerity in any of the apologies made to date…

            Let’s be clear on two things… the Apology I am referring is to the Victims not to the Korean Government and compensation is for the victims not the Government.

          • noshitbutsmile

            Just to make sure, the apology you refers to is to the victims of what? Comfort women? the ones commandeered? Soldiers who fought with Japanese? What are they?

          • noshitbutsmile

            also do we need the resolutions passed through cabinet as official aplogy for that?

          • chucky3176

            The Americans and British have no moral right to say anything on this issue, when their governments let Japan off the hook after WWII, and looked the other way. The only Japanese who got punished were those who committed war crimes against American and British forces. They did fuck all for Asian victims – an example of how they thought of Asians in general. This lack of empathy for Asian victims, is what explains why there’s so much Japan apologist attitude in those countries today. That’s exactly what emboldens Japan to continue with their onslaught of verbal insults on Korean comfort women. Because they know they can get away with it and because they know they have support from people in the West.

          • One for all

            So, according to your logic, the British and American governments should not have bothered fighting the Korean war then….they should have just left South Korea to Kim Il Sung and the Soviets to do as they wished.

          • chucky3176

            You sure like to put words into someone else’s mouth, don’t you? Give you a hint, if you want to debate effectively, debate the points and address the issues. Don’t create words that don’t exist.

          • One for all

            “They did fuck all for Asian victims – an example of how they thought of Asians in general. This lack of empathy for Asian victims, is what explains why there’s so much Japan apologist attitude in those countries today.”

            I simply countered the points above to prove them wrong

          • It_is_true?

            He said: “The Americans and British have no moral right to say anything on this issue.”
            He does not said … they should not fight ….
            BTW, do you think the Americans and Britain fight for Korea? They don’t care about Koreans. They only fight for their own interest. Don’t forget it.

          • redwhitedude

            True but the US was pushing for normalization between the 2 states due to the cold war and also this wasn’t treated by the Japanese as a reparation for WWII and so forth. In fact they treated it as economic aid.

      • noshitbutsmile

        1972 Tanaka PM
        1982 Suzuki
        1982 Miyazawa Chief of Cabinet
        1984 Showa Emperor
        1984 Nakasone PM
        1990 Kaifu PM
        1992 Miyazawa PM x 2wice
        1992 Kato Chief of Cabinet
        1993 Kono Chief of Cabinet
        1993 Hosokawa PM x 2wice
        1994 Murayama PM
        1995 Resolutions House of Rep 50yrs anniv from WW2
        1995 Murayama PM x 2wice
        1996 Hashimoto PM
        1996 Imagami Emperor
        1997 Hashimoto PM x 3 times
        1998 Obuchi PM
        2000 Kono a Foreign minister
        2001 Fukuda Chief of Cabinet
        2001 Tanaka a Foreign minister
        2001~2005 Koizumi PM x 6 times

        Those are apologies made by Japan, No falling down on their knees
        nor kneel down on the grounds. but Japan made at least almost
        everytime PM changes. Of corse it is up to you if you judge those are not sincere.

        • It_is_true?

          It look like they want somethin$ different than apology.

        • Koguma

          Do me a favor an google “Willy Brandt.”

          • noshitbutsmile

            I did. so what?

          • Koguma

            Learn to read.

          • noshitbutsmile

            Not so much to read into Willy Brandt. So what?
            Use Japanese if you wish. Dont spit on me like that.

        • A Pinky Promise

          And how many times they took back their “apologies”?
          How many times they insulted war victims despite their “apologies”? That’s what really matters.

          • noshitbutsmile

            Is there single case Japan took back previous apologies?
            None. What makes you think insulting war victims? Visiting Yasukuni Shrine? There are movement by revisionists who wish to revise the contents of, or take back Remarks made by Kono(Kono Danwa) re comfort women but so far nothing happended. A party is trying to make Kono himself make testimony at Diet but I am not sure if it would happen. I personally think he should make testimony asap.

      • noshitbutsmile

        BTW France never apologized to Vietnam after 60years of colonization to the same extent Japan did. Vietnam didnot ask for it. Holland never aplogized to Indonesia after 300years of colonizations to the extent Japan did. There are sarcasm in British papar it is rare and actually weard for a country keeps aplogizing this many times for the same war.

      • UserID01

        The problem is, no matter how many formal apologies are made, there are still going to be individuals who deny wrongdoing. Just like how Germany can make formal apologies and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad denies the Holocaust ever happened. Even though there are still survivors LIVING who experienced it.

        I hate to say it, but there is no magic number of formal apologies that will be the limit. There’s not going to be one final apology and then all will be forgiven. There are still going to be deniers and apologists and as long as these people are shouting out their denials, there will continue to be pain over the issue. There will never be universal acceptance of war crimes among the general public and populace even if there is an official apology by heads of state.

      • It is true?

        How many times you want the Japanese people do the apology?
        When will the Korean people like you and your government make an official apology to the Vietnamese people?
        What kind of people are Koreans?

        • NSA

          Koreans are unforgiving barbarians

    • A Pinky Promise

      It’s not sincere enough, because Japanese students are not taught about this subject in detail and Japanese right wingers constantly and openly call the victims “prostitutes”, and always insisting on taking that Kono statement.

      • noshitbutsmile

        How can you teach your children what is not true, but just disgracing themselves. If you keep arguing such way, please tell me how you can deal with the very facts 1) the report on interview with 20 Korean comfortwomen from US office of War Information from National Archives, which confirms they are professional prrostitues with good salary 2)Comfort women was paid 3times as much as senior rank officers. There are photo proofs of their pay-checks 3) There are many documents which proves comfort women were recruited by brokers not abducted by Japanese Govt/Army. I guess you all know those things but pushing Japanese only to believe the tetimonies made by the victims still alive. These testimonies, btw, some of them proved they were comfort women for Korean/US Army during Korean war.

        • noshitbutsmile

          I am saying the same thing as often said by other Japanese, It is tragedy but it is wrong to take it out only on Japan

          • nitrostat

            it is a tragedy… BUT you’re incorrect that they are only taking it out on Japan alone… Germany has atoned for its sins… Japan hasn’t… do you want to know why? because Germans don’t go paying respects to Hitler and take back their apologies like the Japanese do. so sincerely apologize and by that I mean acknowledge and do not distort, revise history in a manner where comfort women were common prostitutes because they weren’t… you weren’t there to see what kind of horrific shit they went to.. so you can’t judge them and teach futures Japanese what truly happened and not some bullshit like you guys were there to improve and liberate Korean economy.. cause lets face it.. that is utter bull shit. Until then.. i think the Koreans have every right to say “apology unaccepted” cause lets face it… no one would call that a “sincere” apology… thats just teasing..

          • noshitbutsmile

            cool off. take some mess away from your fermented brain , put it back in order.
            “It is Tragedy but wrong to take it out only on Japan.”
            I said that only in the context of comfortwomen issue as in this news about the bill signed by Obama.
            One more thing. You werent there eitther to see.
            your arguments are often in the same boat. You didnt notice it obviuosly.

        • A Pinky Promise

          This is precisely the reason why Koreans don’t believe Japan has ever apologized. Most Japanese people don’t even believe the victim’s statements, thinking everything Korean victims said was somehow fabricated. How can one feel even sorry, when he/she thinks whatever the victim said was a total lie?

          • noshitbutsmile

            As far as I judge reading korean papers, your medias and opinions are much more one-sided comapred to Japan. Japan, opinions are throughly washed after the fight among/btwen left(they are very strong too) and right, koreans/Chinese ex-koreans ex-chinese etc. I am not sure if you know it but Comfortwomen issues and Nanking Massacres issues are both brought to the spotlight by Japanese Media all at Once Ashahi Newspaper. I PERSONALLY DONOT TRUST ALL THE STORIES DUE TO TOO MUCH FAKES and LIES and counter proofs which are not just testimonies but documents etc. Report interviewing comfortwomen archived in US National War information is one example.

          • A Pinky Promise

            There are at least 3 times more living victims claiming they were forced to serve as a comfort woman. There is also a Japanese professor who found a legit document that proves what the victims said was true. He recently got sued by Japanese right wingers but won the case, as far as I remember. Even if Japan paid some of the comfort women, they should not have “recruited” a 12 year old girl and forced her to have sex with 50 men a day. Also, comfort women didn’t only exist in Korea. It involves many Southeast Asian countries and even Netherlands. Are you saying all these countries who aren’t very fond of each other somehow got together at one point in the past secretly and are now spreading lies together to screw Japan? Impossible. That’s why UN and the US are siding with Korea on this issue.

          • Ted

            Are you saying all these countries who aren’t very fond of each other
            somehow got together at one point in the past secretly and are now
            spreading lies together to screw Japan?

            There are three countries which do that on a daily basis and make impression that it’s a matter of international affairs between countries – both Koreas and China.

          • noshitbutsmile

            As of today there are 55 korean women still alive. I believe.

            I guess you re talkinh about Yoshimi Professor who won the case but that is not whether the abduction actually happended or not. He accused a politician of slander. As side notes, This Professor Yoshimi himself admits there are no such legit proofs which proves actual abduction/deception/enforcement by Japanese Govt/Army. Also Korean Professor安秉直 seoul univ. insisted there are no such enforcement。 He strongly believed that the purpose of the research was not bending historica facts but finding out the trueth. Although he worked with famous anti-japanese group (挺対協)but he broken up with the group because he found out that this group’s real goal was just bashing Japan. BTW the Initial leader of this anti-Japanese group and 39 her friends in the group all arrested for the frauds by the Seoulcity police in 2011. NOw this group is actually driving force which are spreading memorial comfortgirl statues in US.
            I have some list of active claimers. Give me a name of the victim who got forced to work at age of 12 years old if possible. There must be some misunderstandings there.
            Is she Jung Soh-Un who claimed she got abducted when she was 13 years old.? This case is false case unfortunately.

          • noshitbutsmile

            Yes the cases where Japanese soldiers forciblly abduct Dutch females in Indonesia. In these cases, the Japanese general in charge and other 11 soldiers/brokers were all sentenced to death penalty~20years in Jail already. Now Please donot misunderstand, I said I do not trust all of these sad stories. but I didnot say zero chances.

          • nitrostat

            show me this report… i dare you???

          • noshitbutsmile

            Watch youtube video I ppost around middle part of this forum. Last 1~2 minutes. I can try to find PDF or anyother static form if you dare me.
            btw, I wonder you korean guys really donot know this kind of report but kept accusing Japanese? wth

          • nitrostat

            LOL… the uploader is Japanese… and its called revisionist history.. try looking it up in wiki… you guys are famous for it. hell if America , a third party that has nothing to gain if japan apologizes for comfort women is telling you that japan fucked up.. then that says a lot.

          • noshitbutsmile

            Didnt I mention guess both made by Japanese? What is wrong with that? I would be surprized if any non-japanese,non-interest party making this kind of good ones trying what the issures are//except Texas Daddy(who is a pure american).

            US has a lot to gain, stability bteween it’s two allies.

            Although the report inserted by Mike Honda is not legally-binding, we will see how this outcome evolves into, I guess, soon. You are not the only one how are looking forward to it.

            BTW, you dare me to show the report, US war information from National Archives. Was it also fabricated by Japanese revisionist? or was it made up by americans? for what? If so, you may have to go out and shout abuse American Liars, next time then.

            Can you deny what were reported?

            Tell me what you have to tell, I dare you.

      • It_is_true?

        Do you guys teach your Koreans kids about Vietnam massacre.
        I guess, 99.9% of Koreans do not know about this.
        Even the US teach their kids about their wrong doing in Vietnam war today.

        • nitrostat

          there is a big difference between the two.. 1. Korea didn’t go to vietnam to anex and colonize their country like the Japanese did… they went as an ally to the US to liberate south vietnam.
          2. they are individual soldiers actions and the Korean govt did not sanction whatever crimes the soldiers committed..

          Japan = anexed Korea… lied to the civilians and raped their women. unit 731, rape of nanking… and whats worse? they deny it to this day… apology my ass.. you can list all the politicians and the dates that they have apologized but there is a clear difference here… they don’t teach that shit in their history books.. and if they were “sincere” about their apology.. how come they are still paying respects to their war criminals? do you see the Germans paying respects to Hitler? point in case…

          • noshitbutsmile

            There is no big difference between the two.. 1. Korea didn’t have to go to vietnam. US President Kennedy didnot even ask for the help from Korea in the first place. Korea volunteered, but Kennedy rejected this offer. But Johnson accepted Korea to join its ally USA to liberate South vietnam and portect it from Communism just like Japan liberated Korea penninsular from China and protect it from southwarding-push of Soviet, Communists.

            2. That was WAR and all shits happen under any war. whether individual soldiers actions or the Korean govt sanction didnot matter. Mass-kiling is masskilling. Very Ugly. Their enemies were VietCons, professional guerrilas. Unless you kill them you would be slaughterd. They hid themselves pretending civilians and suddenly jump on you, thus they could not afford to treat them as civilians whatever crimes they could make, Again when combatting against guerrilas, you must sweep them out before they get you. This may be like Japanese massacre n Nanking if there were such things in there case.

            Korea raped Viet women and killed them after in order not to leave any proofs of massacres. unit Fierce Tiger, unit Blue Dragon, unit White Horse, Diên Niên – Phước Bình massacre …Bình Hòa Massacre …more and whats worse? they deny it to this day… apology my ass.. Korea never apologize in real sence. DJ’s brief apology was taken back when he returned from Korea, being abused so badly by Park Geun Hye, Depuity of oppositio party, who balme DJ to have disgraced gthe honor of Korean soldiersand the country itself. There is a clear difference here… they don’t teach that shit in their history books.. and if they were “sincere” about their apology.. how come the daughter of then-President Park, Current President Female Park kept complete silence at the visit to Vietnam last year point in case…
            Just trying to make up a fictious story, no offence, dude

          • nitrostat

            ” Korea didn’t have to go to vietnam. US President Kennedy didnot even ask for the help from Korea in the first place.” … -laughable son… learn your history correctly before you spout your shit… and on that note i can say the same for Japan… it didn’t have to go to Korea and destroy their country… actually they are pretty delusional when you think about it because they think that they were doing Korea a favor..
            “Korea raped Viet women and killed them after in order not to leave any
            proofs of massacres. unit Fierce Tiger, unit Blue Dragon, unit White
            Horse, Diên Niên – Phước Bình massacre …Bình Hòa Massacre …more and
            whats worse? they deny it to this day… apology my ass..” why don’t you just go to the page regarding Vietnam asking Korea to stop war celebrations and just see how most netizens respond to it. At least they are sympathetic to the fact and ACKNOWLEDGE that it was bad. I never commemorated that what the ROK marines did were perfect but compared to what the Japanese did and compared to their “sincere” apologies and their revisionist histories i highly doubt anything is sincere but their own resolve to discredit and distort history so they don’t seem like the scapegoat. face it.. the whole world is against you on this one… just because you lie a million times doesn’t make it truth

          • noshitbutsmile

            Boy… I thought I put the line at the bottom “Just trying to make up a fictious story, no offence, dude”
            Anyway It is common frase for barkers in this kind of international history forum “Learn history correctly”
            “Go back to school and restudy real history” and so on.

          • noshitbutsmile

            Quote”sympathic to THE FACT and acknowledge that it was bad” Yes I saw those netizens comments in the other one before I visit to this news. Isnt that great? more and more korean young people living both domestic and overseas, get to know the TRUTH due to IT progress and good will to try to know the truth. How about your govt and your academia? That is the issue becuase those are FACTS as you mentoned. am I right? Where are school textbooks whih fully dicribe what happened and why?

            BTW regarding my story about the part your pointing to my poor history knowledge, I quote some just in case.

            “South Korean president Syngman Rhee had offered to send troops to Vietnam as early as 1954, but his proposal was turned down by the U.S. Department of State”
            →quoted from Larsen, Stanley Robert; Collins, James Lawton Jr. (1985) [1975], Vietnam Studies: Allied Participation in Vietnam, Washington, D.C.: United States Army Center of Military History, CMH Pub 90-5, retrieved 2007-03-27

            “On the anti-communist side, South Korea (a.k.a. the Republic of Korea, ROK) had the second-largest contingent of foreign troops in South Vietnam after the United States. In November 1961, Park Chung-hee proposed South Korean participation in the war to John F. Kennedy, but Kennedy disagreed.”
            →quoted fromChang, Jae Baik (2011). The Park Chung Hee Era: The Transformation of South Korea. Harvard University Press. p. 409. ISBN 0-674-05820-8.

          • nitrostat

            “DJ’s brief apology was taken back when he returned from Korea, being
            abused so badly by Park Geun Hye, Depuity of oppositio party, who balme
            DJ to have disgraced gthe honor of Korean soldiersand the country
            itself.” LOL.. you prove my point.. you don’t just TAKE back on a apology because you get butt hurt… especially if its something you did wrong.. thats why its called an apology… ohh and btw apologizing and then going on to say that it never happened, and even going as far as to not teaching it in schools and completely denying it is not a sincere form of apology.

            ” how come the daughter of then-President Park, Current President Female
            Park kept complete silence at the visit to Vietnam last year point in
            case…” – she may have kept silent , (which from what i saw, she didn’t. go look at the war celebrations regarding vietnam dumbass) but anyways at least she doesn’t go out saying we never did that shit and completely flat out deny it. btw you don’t need to copy my “point in case” to try to look smart.. your making a fool of yourself

          • noshitbutsmile

            Quote” LOL.. you prove my point.. you don’t just TAKE back on a apology because you get butt hurt… especially if its something you did wrong.. thats why its called an apology…”

            I dont understand whatTF you’re trying to say. Will you kindly explain once agin? Thanks

            Quote”btw apologizing and then going on to say that it never happened, and even going as far as to not teaching it in schools and completely denying it is not a sincere form of apology.”
            OK This is something I always wanted to ask. Which Japanese has ever deny “it never happened”. Furthermore what do you mean by “it”. In other words, Who said what never happened? Thanks.

    • bumfromkorea
    • Gen

      Cue weeaboos and anime nerds flooding KoreaBang defending japan agaist any and all criticisms and accusations of wrongdoing . nippon ichi ban desu!!!

    • It_is_true?

      US: manage to force Japan to apologize to make his Korea ally happy.
      Japan: Japan is fed up after 31 times of apologies.
      US: US is fed up also and withdraw his troop from Korea to Japan, bc Japan is a stronger ally then Korea.
      Korea: Korea is fed up and side with China.
      US and China: have cold war…. happy ending…

      • redwhitedude

        There was no official apology as in a resolution on the part of the diet which would be considered an official apology from the government. All those supposed “apologies” are individual ministers showing remorse without the strength of a resolution.

    • Comebackkid13

      Spot. Effing. On.

  • harvz

    America needs to address its own crimes against humanity, both in the past and ongoing, before it gets to stand there and tell the Japanese how they should behave.

  • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

    I am happy that America has passed such a law. I will now await America appologise to Iraq for the illegal war and the war crimes created there.

    • FYIADragoon

      Hahahaah just as soon as Israel’s illegal settlements are actually acknowledged as illegal by America too. America has a laundry list of crimes to account for.

      • HaydenG

        Oh look i’ve stumbled upon a liberal douche bag circle jerk.

        • FYIADragoon

          Ah yes, because only a liberal would be capable of using their brain. Just because I can analyze America with a hint of neutrality doesn’t make me a liberal.

  • FYIADragoon

    The Korean government (headed by the current leader’s father if I recall correctly) already signed an agreement with Japan in the past saying that in exchange for accepting Japan’s apology for the atrocities they would receive large amounts of financial aid from Japan. The Japanese government originally requested to directly compensate victims. DIRECT VICTIM COMPENSATION WAS DENIED BY THE KOREAN GOVERNMENT. If the narrow minded nationalists in Korea want to see where the reparations from Japan went, they can take a look at any of their national infrastructure or chaebol.

    China is the country that still hasn’t received an apology or reparations. Doubt you’ll see one in this lifetime though.

    • commander

      For your information, South Korra’s consitutional court ruled in a landmark verdict that the South Korea government is still obligated to seek compensation of comfort women victims from Japan because the 1961 settlement treaty betweenSouth Korea and Japan is not a effective remedy for those victims.

      Although it is South Korea’s fault to accept Japan’s few buck as reparations–$3 billion in loan and $3 billion in compensation to Seoul if my memory is right, Japan is morally responsible for plotting to absovle itself of war atrocities that are not articluated in the basic accord sealed when South Korea was under a military dictatorship rule.

      I think it’s kind of deceptional tactics on Japan’s part because they had waited for a time when a settlement pact is signed with as little money as possible.

      • FYIADragoon

        So what about the money that the Koreans took? Water under the bridge? I could stretch that to all sorts of numbers if the Koreans need to “return” that in order to once again seek compensation. And that military dictatorship didn’t seem to bother the Koreans that much since they just elected the dictator’s daughter.

        • commander

          Is there any relevance in connecting the fact that her father took power in a coup and her elecrion as president?

          If so, all sons and daughters should be hold accounable for wrongdoings by their parents and grand parents.

          If going a bit further with your logic, the Japanese should get repentent over wae atrocoties commited by their ancestors.

          Your argument is unconvincing.

          • FYIADragoon

            Address the first point before droning on the last one. If every country was allowed to so easily call “backsies” on their treaties the world would be drowning in conflicts.

          • commander

            Realistically, even if South Korea asserts the settlement agreement is not valid just because its reparations are not adequate and that the money didnt go to the hands of comfort women, it is unlikely for Japan to accept the argument.

            The viable option is that since the basic accord is only binding for South Korea, South Korea needs to make reparations claim for comfort women included in future claims of reparation by North Korea. North Korea has yet resolved reparation claims with Japan, an issue that Japan is said to have shown the illingness to address when an opportunity arises.

            And your case obscures the nature of frayed relations between Japan and its neighboring countries because the main culprit behind the friction is Japan’s provocative denials distorted hisotry textbooks and, more importantly, its unrepentance.

            And if the money matters, the majority of South Koreans would willingly return the received money after making it adjusted for inflation to Japan.

            By the way, China rejected an offer of reparations by Japan, showing that colonial brutalies on the continent can not be condoned with money.

          • FYIADragoon

            The payments given may not be adequate, and that is up to debate. But they have forfeit the right to blame the issue of reparations not going to former comfort women. That was their government’s decision, and that is something that their current government still has the ability to address.

            That’s an acceptable idea on using North Korea to secure additional reparations, though I don’t think Japan would accept it unless all issues with kidnappings of Japanese citizens are simultaneously resolved. And that is another box of worms that will require a great deal of time.

            Japan’s denials are a piece of the puzzle, but they are not all of it. It would have been best if they took a page from Germany’s book and apologized to everyone without regard for personal embarrassment. But, they didn’t. At the same time, the Korean government seems to enjoy playing this Japan hate card as often as the Chinese government does, hoping that the citizens will ignore larger, more pressing issues at home. China’s rejection of reparations was extremely smart, for a long-term strategy.

            And 3 billion adjusted for inflation (and that’s a best case scenario for repayment) would be a tall order to take out of the government budget. If the fact that they gave them those easy loans on the other 3 billion required additional compensation, the repayment values could become very distorted. This would obviously be structured into a repayment plan, but I don’t think popular opinion would like the idea of regularly giving money to a former ruling country without being in a position of superiority. I personally doubt you would see a willingness to give any money back to Japan at all. From the people or the government. Nationalism only works when it doesn’t require any difficult actions.

            And money and apologies are the only way to resolve these issues. Unless you’re attempting to suggest that “an eye for eye” is better?

            The tl;dr I guess would be “Shit is complicated by both sides”. If you don’t feel like reading.

          • commander

            Actually, getting heartfelt apology over war atrocities from Japan appears impossible.

            For Japan, making an apology is inextricably associated with the symbolism of untouchable God-like Japanese emperor.

            The Pacific War was launched under order of a Janpanese emperor that is conceived infalliable.

            Thus Japanese admission of war liability, amd war crimes can be construed as denials of holiness of the emperor, explaining why many statesments containing apologetic words have been denigrated and reversed by high profile politicians in Japan.

            Japan’s unwillingness to aplogize is illustrated by its push for more schools to adopt history textbooks that are heavily sanitized on war crimes and highlight greatness of Japan in the 19th century and accentuate atomic bombings on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

            What make things more complicated, Japanese politicians are trying to cash in on nationalism to dispel a collective sense of crisis stemming from its increasingly lackluster economy, thus making its international presence reinforced.

            Thougj sounding skeptical, the three nations may need to learn to live with uncomfortable neighbors for a long time.

    • chucky3176

      You are not being honest here, because you’re not telling the whole story, probably purposely.

      I’m not going to rehash the same things over and over because it’s getting tiresome. But the treaty of 1965 was never called “apology” or “compensation”, or “reparations”. Nowhere in the treaty does it say those words, and nowhere does Japan admitted they did anything wrong. It was called the “Normalization Treaty” which restored diplomatic relations with Japan and Korea, in return for Japan’s $250 million in grants and $550 million in loans. It was merely Japan’s attempt at coaxing Korea into dropping all the war reparation claims, but you cannot point to that and say that was an apology from Japan.

      The Comfort women fund was rejected by the Comfort women because the Japanese government wasn’t the ones who endorsed it. It was a privately organized fund. What the comfort women want the most from Japan, are recognition and redress from the Japanese government, not sympathy money from Japanese charities. What’s the point for these women, if the Japanese government still insist that they were volunteer hired prostitutes? There are 200 or so number of women in their 90’s who are still living, they have no use for money, as most of them will donate all their assets to charity once they pass away.

  • bumfromkorea

    Japanese people are BITCHES.

    Oh you know what? That was out of line. I sincerely apologize for that incredibly racist and sexist comment.

    But you know, they are really bitches if you think about it.

    Huh? Oh, yeah. Sorry about that.

    But see how they complain about everything? What a bunch of bitches.

    What? Hmm. Okay, yeah. That was out of line. My bad.

    Man, these Japanese though, huh? What a bunch of bitches…

    What was that? I should apologize? But I did, like three times now. Jesus, man. Why won’t these Japanese let it go already? How many apologies do they want? It’s not like I’m the only one who called other people bitches before. What about that guy next door that called his neighbor an asshole two years ago? Why don’t you go pick on him for once? God, you people… No wonder I had to call you guys bitches. You kinda deserve it.

    Hmm? Fine. Sorry. Geez.

    [Ad Naseum]

    • seoulite

      Yes, because only two people or singular entities should be used to represent entire nations over an expanse of more than 60 years. More than 20 PMs and over 250 million people (over the course of the last 50 years of Japanese history). Just one person. They’re all the same, right?

      Politics and history really are that simple.

      The latent assumption in your crassly simplistic analogy is that all parts – no matter how small or insignificant – represent the whole, for all time, and this can never be otherwise. So when an apology is issued and five years later some low-ranking political wannabe makes an insulting statement, the official apology, and all apologies before that, invalidated. The selected part is taken to represent the whole. All of it.

      Given this type of thinking, clearly displayed in your comment, it really is no wonder some people might be wondering what the point in issuing a further apology is.

      • chucky3176

        “So when an apology is issued and five years later some low-ranking political wannabe makes an insulting statement,”

        Prime Minister Abe, the head of NHK, mayor of Tokyo, mayor of Osaka who wants to run for office, etc etc all low ranking officials?

        Please stop apologizing for these monkeys. Ooops I apologize. It’s wrong to be racist, my bad. On the other hand, there is something to about their monkey behavior. Sorry, I said it again didn’t I? I’m sorry, but it was not meant to be hateful towards Japan, they shouldn’t take it the wrong way.

        • chucky3176

          Plus, I’m just a lowly individual nobody, so don’t blame all Koreans.

          • Joni

            Plus, I’m just a lowly individual nobody, so don’t blame all Koreans.

            Nope, you’re pretty fucked up.

        • seoulite

          Bumfromkorea

          ‘Prime Minister Abe, the head of NHK, mayor of Tokyo, mayor of Osaka who wants to run for office, etc etc all low ranking officials?’

          Abe and the Osaka mayor have been in power for less than three years. When did the accusations of ‘insincere’ apologies begin (hint: well before three years ago).

          • chucky3176

            That’s because the denials with big mouthed Japanese officials had been going for ages. Not to mention the Yasukuni, history text book, comfort women, and Dokdo issues which has been a festering issues that’s going on for decades on. I don’t know what you’re talking about.

          • seoulite

            ‘That’s because the denials with big mouthed Japanese officials had been going for ages.’

            Names, ranks, dates, please.

          • chucky3176

            you want me to recall names and dates from top of my head, for what has essentially been going on for ages?

            If Japan is going to get credit for apologies made by individual statesmen representing their own individual opinions (like Kono and Murayama apologies), then Japan should also face the consequences when their individual officials put their foot in the mouths.

            You can’t have it both ways, and nor can you use the past apologies, as credit, to dip down to use when you’re short of morals.

          • seoulite

            ‘you want me to recall names and dates from top of my head, for what has essentially been going on for ages?’

            You have the internet. Should be easily provable.

            I’ll wager you won’t be able to find one endorsed comment from a high-ranking Japanese member of the Diet before, say, 2005.

            On the other hand, I’ll bet I can find continuous claims of ‘insincerity’ issued repeatedly before 2005 for the over 30 apologies already issued up to that point.

          • chucky3176

            Here’s a list of “unapologies” that Japanese PM’s and high government officials have made since 1948, which runs into hundreds of remarks that became controversies. Virtually just about every year, some Japanese official makes a comment that added up and built today’s animosities between the two countries. Looking at the long list of insults that Japanese government have issued over the decades, I can confidently say historically, Japan really has never changed.

            http://blog.daum.net/saenooree/16886349

          • bumfromkorea

            Mods, I’m just saying. Accusing me of sockpuppeting without an ounce of valid evidence is, I believe, trolling.

      • bumfromkorea

        “Japanese colonial rule was beneficial to Korea…Korea would have been colonized by other countries anyway, which would have led to harsher rules than Japanese rules.” – Kanichiro Kubota, head of the Japanese Delegation for the Japan-South Korea normalization talks, 1953

        “A solution is impossible unless they come down from their height above the clouds of arrogance,” – Kanichiro Kubota, several days after the Korean Delegation broke off the negotiation because of what he said above. 1953

        “I’m not aware of any Japanese crimes that occurred after the annexation of Joseon.” – Hayato Ikeda, PRIME MINISTER, 1963

        “The 36 years weren’t exploitations, but benevolence. “Japan must apologize for 36 years of occupation of Joseon”, they claim. But what do they mean by ‘apologize’? In diplomacy, the respect for both sides must be respected. It would be impossible for us to apologize, given our people’s sentiments. They claim that Japan occupied Joseon, but this is because Joseon moved away from Japan. If they chose to stay with Japan for 20 more years, it wouldn’t have come to this. Our efforts were ruined by us losing the war, but if we had Joseon for 20 more years, it wouldn’t have come to this. Japan left Joseon factories, housings, and forests. We even offered them Changssigyemyung. It was supposed to homogenize Joseon people to the Japanese empire, it wasn’t an exploitation or oppression.” -Takasuki Shinichi, Head of the Japanese Delegation for the 7th Japan-South Korea talks, 1965. This, by the way, would be the same normalization treaty that so many Tenno Heika Banzai squads here cite-

        “The Annexation of Korea was a mutually agreed arrangement signed by both sides. I know this causes a lot of misunderstandings, but the treaty was signed by two independent equals. It’s so obvious, I’m not sure I should even say it.” – Eisaku Sato, PRIME MINISTER, 1965-

        “For example, Korea describes the annexation as an act of aggression. But in view of the Korean domestic situation that time, I don’t know which is the accurate description. -Matsuno Yasuyuki, Minister of Land Administration, 1982-

        “The Annexation of Korea was an agreement between Japan’s Ito Hirobumi and Korea’s Gojong. Without an annexation, Qing or Russia, or even Soviet of later era could have done the same thing that we have.” – Masayuki Fujio, Minister of Education, 1986-

        “Japan may have governed Korea, but the word “colony” is not found in San Francisco treaty or any other official document. The Annexation was an agreement, not something done through force. “Colonization” or “invasion” are problematic terminologies.” -Watanabe Michio, Minister for Foreign Affairs, 1995-

        “Japan did great thinngs too. We built an agriculture university, and even an imperial university in Seoul. We have elevated Korea’s education level, since they didn’t have any public education before us. We built roads, railroads, harbors, we even planted trees for them. We never thought of Korea as a “colony”. Korea is prosperous now thanks to the Japanese annexation of Korea.” -Takami Eto, Minister of the Management and Coordination Agency-

        “Why was the country-to-country treaty called an invasion? What’s the difference between that and a mergerof a town and a village?” -Takami Eto, same year-

        I’m not even going to bother translating the string of word-feces that a certain Governor of Tokyo spewed during the first decade of the 21st century. That’s long enough to write a book.

        Go on then. What was that about “low-ranking political wannabe” again?

        • Ted

          Japanese->Korean->English from some Korean website?

        • noshitbutsmile

          Thanks but I want to know the original Japanese wordings in what kind of context and occasions. Anyway everytime comments like these (Damn! 50`s and 60`s are too old to discuss isnt it?) makes you such histerical, Yes Japan should have never made a apology to , at least, S.Korea.

          As far as Korea is concerned, Japan didnot even fight against Korea. I would not debate whether it was annexation or colonization here.

          Do you even know one sigle country who apologzied to its former colonnies? Like Japan did? Did UK, US, France, Italy, Netherland, Spain, Portgal apologized to India, Vietnam, Indonesia, Fillipine, HongKong, Shanghai(leased territory). Did Germany apologize to Austria, Poland? Teach me.
          Germany aplogized to Jew victims falling down on the knees but Germans put everything on the shoulders of Natiz as accounted for war crimes, despite the fact Hitler was elected completely democratically by the election. Is Germany way good enough to you?

          • noshitbutsmile

            Some Japanese believe there were some positive impacts on Korea for the Korea in future from annexation periods. You cannot control who thinks which way. If all Korean citizens really believe everything was so bad , negatives only during the period, then it may not be the issue whether Japan sincerely apologized, how it aplogized, without flipping around later on , but it is simply the issue whether you can forget and getting yourselves out of the hatred.

            Lets see.. Takeshima, when I say Takeshima, guess you would instantly get the same kind of negative feelings, emotionally negative toward me as when you do reading commens made by whoever those low-ranking officals,, seeing me as if I donot know the history, no facing up to the past history, not carrying sincere mind of aplogy made in the past, any longer, right?

            Wrong! We have our believes Takeshima is not Dokto.

            We also donot cheer 安重根안중근 .we think he is just an killer, terrorist. Do we have to think him as national independet activist, Hero as you do so? in order for our apology to be accpted ? (Darai_Lama and Rabiye Qadir are both heros for Tibet and Uyghul but terrorists to PRC)
            How can we both deal with the difference in opinions on the issue related to the history.
            OK I feel I understood now how come there were no such things like apology in the humane war histories.

          • noshitbutsmile

            One last thing. I wonder how Taiwan could become this pro-Japan. I need to more study on that. They used to say ” Dog goes away and Pigs comes in”

          • Taiwanese

            Taiwan is not pro japan. except in your fantasy world.

          • noshitbutsmile

            Oh execuse me then. I definetly thought so and most of us think so. it is sad then. maybe too much comparisons against Koreans/Chinese. bt thanks so much for heart-warming words instantly after 3.11.2011

        • Bugbear

          Japan: over 30 apologies from PMs spanning 60 years of leadership. Reparations. Soft loans. More reparations. Personal letters from the PM apologies offered.

          Korea: It’s not enough, we want more. We didn’t like how some of your apologies were worded. We won’t tell our people that you paid reparations. We will teach our children that you never to hate you.

          No country in the history of colonization has behaved half as butt-hurt as Korea has for it’s relatively short and benign occupation. Get over yourselves.

    • It is true?

      Geez…let the past and moving forward.

  • noshitbutsmile

    The comfortwomen existed through WW2 and even after. There were comfort stations in Korea too serving for Korean/US/UN soldiers through 1950`s 60`s and 70`s. Is it just Japan who should be endlessly accused of ? Yes it is Youtube but far bettern than just unreliable testimonies. If you can read Hangui, that would be good.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jlfAqR8uBc

  • NSA

    south korea only makes trouble.

    It should be nuked

    • redwhitedude

      Since when did South Korea make trouble? It was a colony of Japan for most of the first half of 20th century. In the second half it had to recover from war and focus on North Korea. If Japan nukes South Korea I think everybody will see treat japan as a pariah.

      • NSA

        It keeps making trouble now with all the Sea of Japan naming BS. Sure, call it East Sea, East Sea of China.
        And they say their research island in the East China Sea is theirs. Pfft, the island belongs to China.
        Korea and Japan all belong to Great China.

  • noshitbutsmile

    Japanese Apologies/Message Applogizing listed up by myslef
    1972 Tanaka PM Joint Communique Japan& PRChina

    1982 Suzuki PM

    1982 Miyazawa Chief of Cabinet Publish remark re Japanese history text book

    1984 Showa Emperor Imperial Court Dinner for Korean President 전두환

    1984 Nakasone PM Welcome Lunch for the Mr&Mrs Korean President

    1990 Kinjou Emperor Imperial Court dinner for Korean President 노태우

    1990 Kaifu PM Welcome Dinner fir Mr&Mrs Korean Presidents

    1992 Miyazawa PM x 2wice Welcome Dinner for 노태우 and on his own visit to S.Korea

    1992 Kato Chief of Cabinet Remarks Comfort women

    1993 Kono Chief of Cabinet Remakrs Comfort women

    1993 Hosokawa PM x 2wice in Initial General Policy Speech

    1994 Murayama PM This must be known for sure.

    1995 Resolutions House of Rep 50yrs anniv from WW2 self-explanatory

    1995 Murayama PM x 2wice Upon Setting Asian women Fund and Murayama Danwa

    1996 Hashimoto PM Japan S.Korea Joint Comminique

    1996 Kinjou Emperor Imperial Court Dinner for Korean President Kim Tae-Jung

    1997 Hashimoto PM x 3 times Offcial Press Conference and in the official letter to Holland PM

    1998 Obuchi PM J apan SKorea Joint Comminuque

    2000 Kono a Foreign minister Official Speech

    2001 Fukuda Chief of Cabinet  Remarks on Japanese new text book

    2001 Tanaka a Foreign minister Memorial Ceremony 50years Aniv SC peace treaty

    2001~2005 Koizumi PM x 6 time
    In 1)Japan-SKorea joint talk
    2)Letter to the former comfort women/war-time victims
    3)Japan and North Korea PyongYang declaration
    4)memorial service for the war dead
    5)Asia -Africa Summit
    6)PM Remarks

  • chucky3176

    If anyone still claims Japan apologized and why Koreans keep harping on it, then perhaps you should look at a real meaningful apology looks like.

    America apologizes to Japanese people who were interned in American internment camps during WWII, and baked it into their law, as the bill was passed in the Congress.

    http://www.learner.org/courses/amerhistory/interactives/sources/E7/e1/sources/5496.php

    http://www.learner.org/courses/amerhistory/interactives/sources/E7/e1/images/5496_H.jpg

    And if any American today come forward and say the abuses of Japanese internees never happened, he’d be treated as a hate monger and forced to apologize in public and resign – unlike in Japan.

    Perhaps that’s why Congressman Mike Honda is so adamant about getting a proper apology from Japan. Because his family experienced the same thing.

    He’s a great man of integrity who went beyond what was required of him to do.

    • Ted

      They weren’t Japanese people but US poeple, US citizens. US put Japanese citizens in POW camps during the war…

      • chucky3176

        Many were Japanese immigrants also. Not all held American citizenships. My point is not to argue their citizenship or what bad deeds the US did. My point is that this is how a proper apology looks like.

  • linette lee

    Japan needs to admit to Nanking rape and massacre and all those comfort woman stations they set up through out China. Killing and raping million of Chinese. They wiped out almost the whole city.

    • Ted

      I think they were charged with that after the war in the Nanking

      War Crimes Tribunal. Others were sentenced in the Tribunal for the Far East. They were punished for that.

      • linette lee

        I think a lot of them are being celebrated as heroes in Japan.

    • It is true

      You right! China needs to admit rape and massacre to Tibetans.

      And to the killing of more than 20,000 Vietnamese civilians in 1979 when they invaded Vietnam to teach us a lesson.

      Also, China should pay compensation to the Cambodians for their crimes in supporting the Pol Pot who kill 1/3 of Cambodian population.

      You guys killing like crazy, but on other hand, winning and blaming … other.

  • noshitbutsmile

    This forum starts from the news US ordered Japan to make apology to S.Korea.
    Actually all these three countries are wrongdoers to be accused on the same side as far as comfort women issue goes as video clips youtube inthe middle

    • noshitbutsmile

      It is not trying to find the good reasons not to apology but simply saying It is tragedy but it wrong to take it out only on Japan

    • Banzai

      japanese only good country in the world, always just defending asia from western bad imperialist and liberate women of asia so they can have sex with japanese in great happy co-prosperity asia zone! why everyone hate japan? japan best good country never do wrong thing!

      • redwhitedude

        Japan fought for itself only.

  • Guest

    Question to all.
    What will happen when Japan say: Go to hell, we don’t want to apologize any more.
    What will happen then?

    • It is true

      Nothing.

      • redwhitedude

        Not exactly. Japan won’t be trusted.

    • commander

      I think that’s whay many rightist politicians think in mind.

      If the remarks are made publicly, consequences are several folds.

      First, the United States, though maintain a facade of a staunch ally, would begin to perceive the need to control Japan not for the island country to spiral out of its hands toward militarism, and confront China when the U.S. does not want instability.

      Actually, a bipartisan approval of a report calling for Japan’s apology over comfort women, in my view, is designed to soothe infuriation from South Korea and China, and to give a warning to Japan that the United States will not alwyas stand behind Japan in a move to rein in Japanese expanionist streaks.

      The North Korean nuclear program has so far dominated discourse on security in Northeast Asia, alongside the issue of a Taiwan’s possible seceasion from mainland China, giving the United States the pretext of expanding the US-Japanese alliance.

      But the remark that can be viewed as complete denial of its war atrocitiescould reverse American edge in rhetoric about regional security, paving the way for China to possibly label Japan as a peace destabilizer in the region.

      In addition, such a inflammatory that could undermine Japan’s little, if any, credibility as peace-loving country imay be seen as a symbolic demonstration of the islabd country’s inexorable decline in power, especially in relation to an ascendant China, since the words would an offshoot of Japan’s struggle to reinvigrate itself and remain a great power by rallying its people under a provocative but effective nationalistic cause.

      Finally, given the latest developments on the rightiat lurch on the part of Abe’s goverent, I think a matter of time for Japan to show its true colors.

  • noshitbutsmile

    To nitrostat

    I found another video which might be better than the previous one. You can skip first 3min. I know this kind of video may be annoying you guys a lot but this captures the report you were asking for better than the previous one. The video is made by 3 parts and I could find only 1st one. The name of uploader looks white people guess this is made by Japanese

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxbLxBJ0F00

  • Mayu

    I love how people always try to make it out like Japan is the only country who needs to apologize for something. ha. ha. ha.
    Anyways I hope that Japan gives the apology so Korean and China can finally leave them alone. sick of this.

  • bultak23

    iIf you want japan to apologize for comfort women korea should forgive japan something else. it is never a one way street, if you think it is, your’re nuts.

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