Park Geun-hye Elected South Korean President, Netizen Reactions

Park Geun-hye won the presidential race against Moon Jae-in. (75.8% turnout)

In an intense final battle to assume office in the Blue House, it was the conservative Saenuri Party‘s frontrunner Park Geun-hye who eventually claimed victory last night. With a mere 3.6 percent difference in the total poll count against Moon Jae-in, this will come as a blow for the Democratic United Party (DUP), with the likes of software tycoon and former-candidate Ahn Cheol-soo‘s systematically calling for political reform within the Democratic Party.

The 2012 presidential election will also be remembered for many years to come as having one of the highest turnouts, the first to have a winner claim with over 50 percent of the vote count, but more importantly for having elected the republic’s first female president in a predominantly male-driven society.

Park’s family background too is far from ordinary. She is the daughter of dictator Park Chung-hee who is often hailed as having brought riches to the Korean economy, but also remembered for supressing, if not purging any opposition. And Park Geun-hye is no stranger to the Blue House, having acted as First Lady in the years following her mother’s assassination.

In the run-up to December 19th, the Saenuri Party were plagued with allegations of unfair behavior, and attacked live on-air but both seem to have to failed to prevent loyal conservative voters.

Throughout the day of December 19th, the Korean Internet exploded with activity and divided opinions, some welcoming new changes, while others feeling Korean democracy is regressing.

Regional breakdown of votes. (Red: Park, Yellow: Moon)

 

Generational breakdown of votes (exit polls)

Comments from Nate:

aksq****

Let’s firmly punish the rumor-mongers and the Jongpuks this time. I got shocked after congratulating Park’s win on Facebook at the sight of infected jwajoms in their 20s who were saying crazy stuff like our country’s finished or Park will be just like her dad… As a 20-something myself, I found them pathetic. People with such standard can vote so what’s the point of a high turnout? I wish they raise the minimum voting age limit to 25. It’s ridiculous… Anyway, please keep your promises and become a president who thinks of the people first. Congratulations.

ducl****

Those of you who are busy dissing Park, it is not that only you guys have brains. I am also a supporter of Moon but whether you like it or not, the majority voted for Park. Different thoughts are not wrong thoughts. Let’s acknowledge other opinions, too.

ducl****

The reasons for Moon’s defeat:
1. His perspective on national security.
2. DUP’s yapping mouths.
They brought it onto themselves in the end.

hara****

How would she feel to enter the Blue House again? It is the symbol of power but for her, it is also the place where memories of her deceased parents were buried. For heaven’s sake, please create the second New Community Movement based on your experience as First Lady for 5 years and what you learned from ex-Pres. Park Chung-hee’s view of the economy ahead of his time…

hyzl****

Those who said a high turnout would ‘guarantee’ Moon’s victory. Those who can’t accept the result despite the high turnout. Those who say that the 20s’ participation was too low or even bluntly that the old should die off. Sigh… Why did they think the younger generation would definitely support Moon? We had to make a choice, which isn’t to find the correct answer. You have to accept that ‘different’ doesn’t mean ‘wrong’.

theg****

The industrious older generation who experienced the New Community Movement during the Park Chung-hee regime went out to vote early in the morning. Listen, young people who were born in Korea that was transformed into a developed country by those older people’s sacrifice and Pres. Park’s leadership. You are only bugs who have been gobbling up milk and honey made from blood and sweat of the older generation who sacrificed their life to pass a better life down to their children. If you say bullshit like old people should be deprived of the right to vote or they are senile, you don’t deserve to live in Korea. Listen, young people who insult the Park Chung-hee regime. Old people who experienced his leadership miss it and they lived a normal life without any problem at all. Do you think democracy would’ve worked in the era when you were starving after the War? You haven’t experienced it so what would you know? All we had was our bodies in the middle of nothing. Who industrialized the country, made people industrious with the New Community Movement, provided jobs and food, fostering hope in us? It was Pres. Park Chung-hee. You guys are only pigs who call him a dictator and label him with ungrateful remarks. Do you want to understand that period? Travel the third world countries like Somalia. Try to live there. We lived like that until Pres. Park. Many people were struggling with starvation and living just because they couldn’t die. It was Pres. Park who created it all from nothing. This election result was due to his good deeds. Park Geun-hye benefited from Pres. Park’s good deeds of reviving our people who were dying from hunger. Old people do not hate the Park Chung-hee period like you guys learn from textbooks. Even poet Kim Ji-ha who opposed Pres. Park’s dictatorship say things like that. What is the truth you should search for?

sunl****

DUP: ‘Saenuri Party allegedly built an army of 15 million albas.’

synd****

If you make a comment supporting Park on sites like Daum, they get all red-eyed and mob you. No wonder there is a word like ‘jwajom’. I wanted a new era of politics and was undecided between Park and Moon until the last minute. Many people like me might have turned their back on Moon after getting tired of the DUP’s final negative attacks, their view on North Korea and the jwajoms. DUP was in a good position due to the TV debates and various things but they brought the failure onto themselves. Just like in the parliamentary elections, their strategy failed. Next time, please learn the strategy from Ahn Cheol-soo.

hjh3****

The older generation who lived through the Park Chung-hee period support Park Geun-hye but those who don’t even know anything about dictatorship are incited by the jwajoms and yap about ‘the Dictator’s daughter’ or ‘the Yushin Regime’. Tsk tsk. You have to find the reason for Moon’s defeat from yourselves, not our parents’ generation. Tsk tsk.

hjab****

I realized propaganda is scary. The teens and 20s have been brainwashed to a shocking degree. If you diss Lee Myung-bak and support Moon, you are an enlightened person but if you support Park, it means you suck up to Japan and our country will go under? Where did this logic come from? After a decade of Kim Dae-jung and Roh Moo-hyun administrations and Saenuri’s mess-up, why do people still support Saenuri? Doesn’t this tell you something? Please learn the cause of defeat first. Our president-elect hasn’t even started anything yet. Please stop with the propaganda and wake up, those so-called progressives.

ffa_****

To be honest, I think Lee Jung-hee is the No. 1 contributor for Park’s win.

kyj7****

Wow, a female president from our country…! Korea has really come a long way.

jukw****

Even if you didn’t support the president-elect, please have the capacity to congratulate, support and criticize her with sharp eyes. Those who say they shouldn’t have voted or our country’s finished, in opposition for the sake of opposition… What do they want to achieve? Tsk tsk.

kimy****

Dictator, dictator… The people who shed tears in his national funeral, the people who lived through his ruling period, they support Park Geun-hye today. They, who lived a supposedly brutal and dark period under the dictator according to some, support the dictator’s daughter and went out to vote early in the morning. However, the young people, who didn’t experience the era and inherited its legacy of wealth, claimed Moon would win if the turnout is high and now they refuse to accept the result, saying they wanna emigrate since our country’s finished. They say it is a national disgrace to have a dictator’s daughter as president. Since the Yushin Regime, this is our first president who won by majority votes and she is overwhelmingly supported by the people who experienced the Yushin period but some people try to deny this.

hara****

Chun Doo-hwan gave her 600 million won when her family was leaving the Blue House because they had no money. Her father ruled the country as a dictator for a long time but doesn’t that rather mean he was that much clean?

gnsl****

Looking around, I see many people who are worried about Park’s presidency and even insult her. Are they going to insult the whole 15 million citizens who voted for her? Once the result’s out, you need to accept that. They seem concerned that she’s a dictator’s daughter but are we living under the authoritarian government from the 70 and 80s? We can vote. We don’t get penalties for speaking up like then. (I can’t be so sure though…) Isn’t it our job to openly criticize and also encourage our government? You don’t like something? If you really dislike some policy or administrative work, you can criticize it! You can express it with your votes later! Stop whining. And some leftists should seriously ponder about why DUP couldn’t seize power this time again, why more people have chosen Park. And Saenuri Party, you guys should know you were given another chance not because you’ve done well. At least attempt to implement your pledges for 5 years.

rnep****

I really want to cut Jeolla-do and paste it in North Korea.

scle****

The politicians, celebrities and other people who support Moon and pledged to do this and that if the turnout is high…will they keep their promises? Ke ke. Park Won-soon to run a marathon in the buff.. Kim Je-dong to buy a drink for everyone he meets.. And someone to give out coffee for free.. Anyway, I guess they will keep their promises? Because they were bitching hard about failed pledges of the president.

moon****

In the meantime, on Byun Hee-jae’s Twitter:
‘If Moon is elected, Park supporters will contemplate how to revive Korea. If Park is elected, Moon supporters will try to overthrow Korea at all costs.’
We are taking different paths but please let’s not forget that our ultimate goal is Korea’s eternal prosperity and progress.

lsbk****

No matter how hard you guys bitch and moan, the 18th president is Park Geun-hye approved by the majority of citizens. Ke.

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  • Pee Pee Poo Poo

    My girlfriend said both candidates sucked so she refused to vote. Is this true, koreabang?

    • One for all

      Wife said the exact same thing. She simply wasn’t convinced by any of the candidates and decided to stay as far away from the election process as possible.

      • chucky3176

        Voter turn out went well over 75%. There hasn’t been this many voters turning out to vote, since 1997. So most Koreans resoundingly disagrees with your wives.

        • One for all

          That must be great news for you Chucky! Most Koreans don’t see my wife as Korean anyways, she’s tainted the great Korean bloodline!

          By the way, who did you vote for?

          • chucky3176

            Could you stop with your victim complex for once? Nobody bats an eye with international marriages these days. In fact, it’s all the rage now, with daily praise for “multiculturalism families” ad naseum.

          • dk2020

            Isn’t that hard not to see your wife as Korean .. when 98% of the population is full blooded Korean in SoKo, could you tell your wife to post on kBang i would like to hear her opinion straight .. being a minority and a woman I really don’t know why she doesn’t think it’s important to vote, smh .. Koreans barely got voting rights in the 80′s ..

          • Paul M

            When we’re seen out in public we get a lot of nasty glares from Koreans. It’s like we’re committing a crime in their eyes. When I go out with my male Korean friends it’s all smiles and fun and laughter but with my wife we certainly get the cold shoulder. Chucky seems to focus his ire on these ridiculous human interest documentaries they show on KBS or MBC whereas I see them as just a glorified chimps tea party “Ooooh look at the foreigner eating kimchee.” bullshit. I was asked to be on TV twice but I refused knowing that they would make a mockery of my marriage. But what he also forgets is that there’s a lot of negative media hype about foreign men with Korean women (but never about Korean men and foreign women – I wonder why?). Why else are E2 visas required to have an HIV check when no other visa to enter Korea needs one?

          • dk2020

            I feel like I can totally relate to being stared at in public being in a interracial relationship, I get shit from Mexicans sometimes because they are pretty open about their racism too, but I don’t let any of that shit bother me I actually prefer it that way .. fuck being PC all the time, I’d rather know how they really feel . Foreigners on visas in the US are treated differently too, if you think about it the govt in either country wants foreigners to either work or go to school thats the purpose, work and student visas aren’t made for relationships because its temporary.. HIV tests wouldn’t bother me and I would like to know the test results, yall get indignant and butt hurt but you knew that before you arrived in SoKo didn’t you? How often do you take an HIV test every year or once?

            Dude and if you haven’t figured out Koreans adoring you for eating kimchee and speaking Korean is a compliment just like my relatives do to me, but you see it as degrading but thats culture shock for you ..

          • chucky3176

            Koreans have to take involuntary drug and health examinations at work places too. It’s only butt hurt foreigner men who object to it. AIDS and drug tests makes sense, when it’s perfectly reasonable to not to overwhelm your health system and health insurance with possible foreign patients by screening them out before they arrive in Korea. But there seems to be no shortage of ESL people applying to work in Korea, to the point the industry is saturated with teachers.

          • Paul M

            Koreans do not have to take an HIV test to work at a public school. E2 visas prior to 2007 didn’t need to take and HIV test. I am on an F-Visa due to being married to a Korean and I am not required to take an HIV test. Those are the facts Chucky. I am not against the tests, I wish they were a part of all visa entry requirements like they are for other countries I’ve lived in. So you can get off your frigging high horse. Would you be complaining about “butt hurt foreign men” if I were a Vietnamese bride or a Filipino factory worker complaining that it was only my visa that needed an HIV test and no other? Your brand of bigotry is truly cowardly.

          • chucky3176

            You’re right Paul, there’s heavy discrimination in the E2 visa system. The Korean government hands out E2 Visa’s like candy, only based on race, not true skills. The only reason why you got an E2 visa is because you’re white, fortunate to be born in an English language country, and speak English as native tongue. I don’t see you complaining about this blatant discrimination based on race. Of course not! As for Vietnamese or Filipino factory workers, they don’t nearly complain as much as you ESL teachers, eventhough their requirements to get working Visa’s are much more stringent and they must work twice as harder than you. Yet go have a look at Korean embassies in those countries, there are literally millions of them lined up outside, trying to take and pass the Korean competency tests so that they may have the honor to work in a dirty Korean factory. Dowtrodden white people in Korea, oh my god, that’s funny.

          • Paul M

            What part of “I have a F-visa” do you not understand? Besides I have no interest in teaching your snotty nosed brats English. And at what point did I say that white people are a downtrodden minority? I’m merely pointing out to that life isn’t a bed of roses for us in your country – can you accept that? Or are you going to whine about how Koreans have it so bad in Korea just like red-necks in the US complaining about illegal immigrants getting all the benefits while the poor working Americans get forgotten? Now you say there are millions of Vietnamese and Filipinos lining up in Korean Embassies trying to get to Korea, then it makes sense that visa requirements are more stringent since there are hardly millions of white people lining up in Korean Embassies. I almost didn’t come to Korea and was going to take up a post in Japan but a co-worker convinced me otherwise. It’s people like you that make me regret my decision to come here.

          • chucky3176

            I never said anything about Koreans having it bad in America, and I have no intention of doing so, since I don’t live in America. All I said was I find it hard to believe your life is so terrible in Korea, compared to the foreign factory workers. Holy Christ batman.

          • Paul M

            It’s painfully clear that you don’t read my posts properly. Instead of skimming through and attacking the points you think I make, how about reading my post carefully and then attacking the points I actually make and stop making a straw-man out of my argument. I said you sound like a red-neck American complaining about immigrants taking advantage of welfare. Your line of argument is also contemptible – “we’re more racist to these people than we are to you so quit moaning white boy.” How is that supposed to make me feel better next time my wife and I are verbally abused in the street? It takes a lot to make me cry but don’t you dare point to me and say my life here is simple and easy.

          • dk2020

            Go to Japan and see if it’s really that different, the same to worse foreigner discrimination over there, more foreigners do seem happy in Japan though, to them it’s not a second rate country like Korea I guess .. I never said Korea was all sunshine .. I know its a tough culture still struggling with multiculturalism and has many social problems but I do see things improving so I don’t think yall will be saying the same shit in 10 years ..

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Choi-Chul-soo/100003339282181 Choi Chul-soo

            Race has nothing to do with being issued an E2 visa, you imbecile.

          • Brett

            Agreed, but it would be hard to argue that race has nothing to do with being invited to teach at an Academy. Of course, any race could be issued an E2, but in reality you would be hard-pressed to find many non-white male English teachers on an E2 visa.

          • Paul M

            As I said to Chucky below before 2007 an HIV test wasn’t needed for E2-visa, now it is. I’m on an F-visa since I’m married to a Korean and don’t need an HIV test. Not all visas for Korea require an HIV test. I wish they all required them. Other countries I’ve lived in required HIV tests for all visas and I have no problem with that at all.

            I just don’t see what the big thing is about me eating kimchee. I love Indian food, I eat sushi and I enjoy tortilla among many other things.

          • dk2020

            If you don’t get HIV tested then why are you complaining? Why do you blame society when you should be getting at the Ministry of Education who’s responsible for that. What happened in 2007 that triggered the HIV tests because I’m pretty sure it was a sex scandal.

            What can you do about it just like any of the racism, you can’t change the way people think and until things do get better you just gotta grin and bear it, personally I don’t think it’s that bad and some expats just like to whine and feel oppressed. I don’t know what kind of secret Korean society you’re thinking about because I’m Korean and other Koreans are pretty rough towards me too but I expect that,

            That’s evident with the beef between Kyungsando where my family is from and folks from Jeollado.. and even hating on North Koreans, that just proves Korean culture is rough for anybody trying to fit those high expectations for perfection.. I personally dont care if you like kimchee or not ..

          • Paul M

            I’m sorry but conversations with your are getting depressingly predictable.

            You: I don’t understand why you feel the way you do about Korea
            Me: Here’s some examples / my personal experience.
            You: Yeah I get that too so you should quit complaining.

            It’s frustrating when I point things out to you and Chucky to keep being accused of whining and complaining. All I’m trying to do is to make you see another perspective on things or provide some explanation as to why some foreigners in Korea feel the way they do.

            Why should I care if I don’t get HIV tested? Well, I’m human and have the ability to empathise with other humans.

          • dk2020

            What exactly do you want? Do you really want to get treated like a Korean or do you want special treatment? If you want any extra rights, equality, or political power you need to become a citizen thats true in any country .. or you have to accept your limitations as a foreigner

            Well the complaints from expats are getting really predictable to me. I do see your perspective and I just put myself in that situation and what I would do. Would any of that shit bother me, honestly it wouldn’t bother me at all and it wouldn’t stop me from doing what I gotta do..

          • Paul M

            What I want is to live my life with my wife in our home and to do my job as best I can. What I don’t want is to be seen as some kind of parasite or an evil corrupting influence. I can accept my limitations but don’t get all defensive and dismissive when I point them out when people assume that my life in Korea is all sunshine and happiness.

          • dk2020

            Try to find peace and contentment wherever you’re at because being angry and resentful at Korean culture won’t make your life any better. Hopefully the time will come when you can tell your kids how bad it was in Korea for foreigners but with struggle and progress things changed and you were a part of that ..

          • chucky3176

            Koreans are subjected to mandatory testing too, so I don’t know why ESL teachers think they should be above anyone else in that matter.

            It’s mandatory for Korean civil servants, including public school teachers to take the health exam which includes the AIDS test. It’s mandatory for all young Korean men to take it before they are inducted into the military. It’s mandatory for all Koreans to take the health exam to get a driver’s license, and tens years after the last test, to keep the license. It’s mandatory in many work places in Korea for employees to take company health exams that includes drug tests. If you’re clean, and you have no drug use history, I don’t see what the hell is the problem with the physical examinations. There have been many cases where people applying for ESL teaching visas diseases like cancer were discovered in early stages, due to mandatory testings. Many Koreans prefer to take the extensive health exams voluntarily, because it’s simply a sensible thing to do. This is one reason why cancer cure rates in Korea is far above America’s with early detection, as well as the life expectancy of Koreans is galloping ahead of America, in an ever increasing expanding gap.

          • Paul M

            Like I said I have no problem with the health checks or the HIV testing. I had to do all that when applying for work visas in other countries. Also I just had my bi-annual health check last Monday. I know Koreans do not need an HIV test to work in a school since my wife works in a school and doesn’t need to take the test.

          • Sillian

            “Chucky seems to focus his ire on these ridiculous human interest documentaries they show on KBS or MBC whereas I see them as just a glorified chimps tea party “Ooooh look at the foreigner eating kimchee.” bullshit.”

            Could you tell me which programs you ‘actually’ watched and understood? I can check and we can discuss in details.

          • Paul M

            The one I can remember was on KBS, ‘in gan geuk jang’ human theatre.

          • Sillian

            Why were you asked to be on tv if I may ask?

            인간극장 spent at least 15 weeks to cover ‘mixed’ couples or foreigners living in Korea since 2006. I don’t believe 15 weeks have been filled with the level of ‘ohhhhh a foreigner eating kimchee!!! omg!!’ There have been a lotta tv shows featuring ‘mixed’ couples in the past few years. Have you watched ‘Love in Asia’? Is it all bullshit to you? o_o

    • Brett

      What a stupid cop-out. Both of them did and do suck, but to tell you the truth… I think your girlfriend sucks, too, as does One for all’s wife.

      In Korea, voters can actually decide the results of an election. The popular vote is counted and they (and other similar minded, lazy-assed, take-a-day-from-work-while-other-people-actually-worry-about-the-country-they-live-in asses) fucked it up for everyone. Whether it be too much Starcraft, too many $4 Americanos, or too much Anipang, the average under-35 Korean is too numb to Korea’s current situation to care enough.

      Its not some electoral college bullshit that my home country uses, essentially rendering one’s vote unimportant. In Korea, every single vote counts, and whoever can’t take (literally) 7 minutes out of their day to go to their apartment complex headquarters to vote is probably the type of person who takes everything in their lives for granted and is a waste to society.

      You know, it wasn’t too long ago that Koreans couldn’t even vote because they were under a military dictatorship. Just take your girlfriend back to whatever country you come from so she can not vote, there.

      • some guy

        I agree with you, but I must say that abstinence is also a valid political statement, I mean, as long as it is conscious…

      • ggoma

        Or at least write in someone’s name or vote for a small candidate!

      • x1sfg

        An election where both candidates suck? Tell me it isn’t so! That would never happen in our country. Except we both know that’s the norm here in our country for the last so many decades.

        Agreed with you on the electoral college. It had its place in the 18th century, not so much now. Live in places like California, Illinois, or Texas and your vote doesn’t even matter.

        It doesn’t even take 7 minutes to vote. Korea has absentee ballots. I agree with you that voters who don’t vote suck, the candidates suck, and most 35-under Koreans, Americans, Europeans, or anyone for that matter are numb.

        Our 2012 election, which was allegedly one of the most heated in recent memory, only had a 54% turnout.

      • dk2020

        Over 70% of South Koreans voted, that’s a really high turnout compared to the US where it was only 55% .. I agree the apathy is retarded, can’t complain if you didn’t vote!

      • One for all

        Right Brett….so because someone has and decides to use their common sense they suck huh? I’m not going to defend my wife’s actions to you. Why should she have to vote if there’s no one she believes in? I mean that’s the whole point of voting right?

        Stop being a jackass and get off your high horse

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Choi-Chul-soo/100003339282181 Choi Chul-soo

          I have to agree with your wife. There is really very little difference between the practical result of this election for Koreans; both candidates would/will continue to shaft ordinary people will making the appropriate soothing noises. Both candidates suffer from extreme myopia about certain aspects of their political pasts (Bak about her father’s brutality, Mun about No Mu-hyeon’s disgraceful corruption and theft). If I’d been eligible to vote I would have voted for Bak simply because I detest No’s grimy legacy of hypocritical support for North Korea and hatred of foreigners, but I would hardly have been dancing to the polls.

          The idea of free democracies is probably the greatest bit of propaganda we’ve ever been sold.

          • Brett

            And how do you think Ms. Park and her family got their money; hard work? Heh, how can you continually bash Mr. No and his corruption, but forget to mention that Ms. Park would most likely have never gotten into politics had it not been for the corruption her daddy committed and the money he stole from South Korea. Your opinion screams of hypocrisy.

            Edit: “Hatred of foreigners” is also very misleading, if not an outright lie. It’s funny how your political beliefs shine right through your posts.

          • One for all

            And that’s who you want my missus to vote for Brett?

          • Brett

            No. Your wife could vote for a number of people, aside from Moon or Park. I would prefer that your wife, and other (Im assuming your wife is young, but makes no difference in my argument) young Koreans would just exercise their right to vote. It is a privilage to the Korean people that they have had for less than .1% of their entire history. It is easy to fall into the apathetic routine of “abstinance” if one continues to argue that “there’s no point”… In Korea, every vote is important, even if you are voting for someone with no chance to win. The fact that other people can see her vote is just as important. It einforces the idea that it is the Korean citizens’ duty to be active in their country’s politics.

          • One for all

            What part of ‘she didn’t believe in ANY of the candidates’ don’t you understand? She has the right to vote as well as the right not to……other people see her voting will not make any difference to her (and our) life. I fully respect her decision and opinion to sit this election out. Look at the outcome so far……they’re calling it the ‘generation conflict’. Moon’s youngsters calling for the heads of the older generation that voted for Park.

            Just because you and a lot of people are on a bandwagon does not mean everyone has to join in. Believe it or not, some people prefer to step back from all the chaos and confusion and have a good look before jumping into causes.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Choi-Chul-soo/100003339282181 Choi Chul-soo

            Eh? Confused. I hate the way No is held up as some kind of paragon of everyman left-wing egalitarianism when – let’s not forget – he stole a shitload of money then killed himself so his family could hang on to it. Great example to others. The Bak dynasty has plenty of their own grubby little secrets too but the cognitive dissonance involved in the DUP’s deification of No is just too much for me to take. No was elected in 2003 by cynically riding the tidal wave of racism erupting from Koreans after the death of those two schoolgirls who were accidentally crushed by US tanks in 2002. When I worked in Kolea I saw first-hand the Korean left’s xenophobia in the way left-wing unions despised foreign teachers in their schools.

            It’s a moot point anyway as I’m not eligible to vote in Korean elections. Your assumptions about my political leanings are incorrect as I have always voted for the Liberal Democrats of the Greens in the UK.

          • dk2020

            So you don’t vote and then complain and whine all day about how bad it is?? That makes no fucking sense, you better get off your ass and protest then .. jungshin upsuh sekki ya ahaha

      • donscarletti

        You know, it wasn’t too long ago that Koreans couldn’t even vote because they were under a military dictatorship. Give them the vote and they’ll vote for the closest thing they can possibly find to their dead dictator. People always get the government they deserve.

        • dk2020

          This ain’t the 70′s and the ROK is a whole lot different, I really don’t think Park Guen hye will be as bad, she’s never been in the military and she’s a woman which makes me believe she’s not prone to war .. we’ll see though, Korea has been through alot worse .. it is funny how I do see the younger generation of Koreans on fb whining that she won just like the Republicans when Obama did twice lols, . Merry Christmas kBangers!

          • donscarletti

            I don’t get the Obama comparison. I remember a lot of people around the world mourning when the son of warmonger and ecconomically incompetent rightwing leader George HW Bush was elected and turned out to also be an economically incompetent chickenhawk. What will the daughter of an economically skilled warmongering dictator be?

          • dk2020

            No one is as stupid as George Dubya, who I think cheated in 04 to get re-elected. I’m saying Park Geun hye is like Obama because she’s the first women president and he’s the first black president, both would have been unimaginable 10 years ago. Even though their politics are totally different. So you’re saying Park Jung hye will be a authoritarian dictator like her father and force martial law on the people, are you really that naive stronzo?

            So she’s a conservative with a dictator father, but so is China and Japan’s newly elected leaders, its part of the trend in politics of nationalism in East Asia .. there is no way reverting to the past so I don’t know what the younger generation and the leftists are complaining about, but seeing how apathetic they are to politics its their own fault. I seriously doubt today’s generation can do the student protests that brought about democracy and voting rights to Koreans in the 80′s ..

    • jon776

      Both candidates always suck? That’s the thing about democracy. You vote for the person who stinks the least.

  • ggoma

    Even more than the fact that she worked under her father during his regime is the fact that she doesn’t even know what she’s talking about and can’t even debate without an iPad in front of her face. And yet now she is leading the country ONLY because her father’s legacy is one of someone who made a turn around in the economy. But even that has a strong argument against it and it’s pretty pathetic that they are so supportive when he got help from the Japanese of all people to do I really wonder what the older generations are thinking. And he was a puppet to the US during the Vietnam War as well. I really wonder what the older generations are thinking by voting for her.

    Some people voted for her because she is a woman instead of a candidate as well. But being a woman has little to do with. She doesn’t even put forth a real effort for women’s rights. She simply wants the power for herself.

    It may be true that a lot of young voters are living of the sweat and blood of the older generations, but the older generations were the ones that handed the platter over to them and created that situation, not the other way around. So it’s incredibly idiotic to place responsibility on a generation that was created by themselves.

    No one thought Moon was a perfect candidate, but this woman who barely even knows her own platform (because it was one created to cater to voters) is now going to be the leader of the country and push forth her real agenda.

    Also people say that there is no worry about dictatorship because Korea is a democracy. Well look at Putin in Russia, Hitler in Germany, Park Chung Hee in Korea, etc. Those people were voted in and look what happened. Only time can tell and see how much a like she is with her father, but I for one don’t have much hope when she can’t even say her father was wrong for murdering people simply because they disagreed with him and staging a coup for his own power. So yeah, nothing to worry about there folks!

    I love Korea, but I’m seriously concerned about my future in this country. Wait and see is all I can do!

    • chucky3176

      Sorry, but that iPad accusation turned out to be false rumor started by the Moon camp. What she had was a hand bag, not an iPad.

      • Digitalsoju

        Maybe not the ipad, but she is nicknamed 수첩 공주 (notepad princess) for a reason.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Choi-Chul-soo/100003339282181 Choi Chul-soo

      You are incorrect to list Bak Jeong-hee as a dictator who came into power as a result of democratic elections. He was not voted in initially – he took power as the head of a coup. (The young army officers who asked him to head up their coup thought initially he would be a malleable figurehead – they were dismayed when he turned out to be much less easy to control than they had presumed.) It’s true that he narrowly won a mostly-fair democratic re-election later on in his term, but seeing as he was there as the result of a coup in the first place, is it really correct to count that result (which panicked him so much he introduced the oppressive Yushin Constitution and completely cracked down on democratic activity) as a fair, democratic process?

      • ggoma

        You are right, he wasn’t voted into office until later. My mistake, thanks for the correction!

    • dim mak

      Stupid, maybe
      But couldn’t be worse than electing a liberal traitor

  • Ruaraidh

    The difference between Jeolla and Gyeongsang is stark. Is Jeolla full of the elderly or something?

    • ggoma

      Jeolla suffered a lot from Park Chung Hee and Chun Du Hwan. So they voted against her.

      • Brett

        The dicktator aside, Jeolla has historically been against Saenuri for as long as they could vote. Think of Jeolla as the “New England of Korea”; they will most decidedly remain, “for the people”.

        • chucky3176

          Excuse me? Jeolla has never been Conservatives. They’ve always supported the left Progressives.

          • Tiberius

            New England (and more specifically Massachusetts) has historically voted Democrat/liberal. For example, Massachusetts was the only state to NOT vote for Nixon in ’72.

          • Ralph

            Did Massachusetts give 90% to the Democrats in 72? No, so the percentages in Jeolla are really quite astounding. Almost 90% for Moon and they end up with the Opposition winning? How disenfranchised would you feel if you lived there and how angry would you be? I knew already from Korean friends how different Jeolla was (friends from Seoul, Busan and Chungcheongbuk-do), but I don’t think I appreciated just how different until now.

          • mightymouse

            Guys look up the 1963 presidential election in wikipedia. That’s the election that Park chunghee got elected to be president for the first time. You will see that Jeolla voted with Gyeonsangdo to make Park president.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Choi-Chul-soo/100003339282181 Choi Chul-soo

            Incorrect. Please do some more research – your ignorance of basic Korean political history is embarrassing and infuriating.

          • chucky3176

            Actually my mother’s side is a Jeollado family. They’ve always voted anything that’s against the right wing parties. They’ve always had a beef that they weren’t getting an equitable share in the pie. Frankly though, I don’t know why they think this. I’ve often been to Jeolla province which is the south western part of Korea, and they live fairly decently. Gwangju city which is the biggest city in Jeolla is clean, and is actually fairly well off. If anything, I think Daegu city which is in the south eastern part of the country, people should have more reasons to gripe about, sine they have the lowest per capita income in the country. Yet they overwhelmingly support the conservatives by about ten to one.

          • Ralph

            How do you think, Chucky, they would vote in Jeolla if a local politician was running as a conservative? Would they still reject him/her as a right winger, or would they be more amenable to him/her as he/she would be from their own region? Or is it extremely unlikely for a local politician ever to join the conservatives in the first place?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Choi-Chul-soo/100003339282181 Choi Chul-soo

            You’ve answered your own question.

          • Yorgo

            Interestingly, several high profile Kyung-buk and Kyung-nam politicians have defected.

          • http://twitter.com/Caaaal Callum

            So are most of the votes turn out on the map reflective of the regions conservative/liberal stance?

          • frombie

            Gwangju defected from Jeollanam-do in 1986. Yeosu is the largest city in Jeollanam-do with Muan being the capital.

          • chucky3176

            Technically, yes you are right. It’s known as 광주광역시, a self administered Metropolitan city. But it’s mentally difficult to separate Gwangju with Jeolla.

          • frombie

            Chucky said….. ” But it’s mentally difficult to separate Gwangju with Jeolla.”

            Not for Yeosu people….. ;)

          • Brett

            Chucky is right. You would be hard-pressed to find a 광주사람 who does not admit to also being a 전라사람.

          • ggoma

            So has New England…….

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Choi-Chul-soo/100003339282181 Choi Chul-soo

          Utterly incorrect. Please read more on Korean politics before commenting further.

          • Brett

            You mean to tell me that since ’93 Jeolla hasnt been primarily left? Next you’ll tell me that 판소리 wasn’t created there, too… Please, if you are going to tell someone to not comment, at least be right.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Choi-Chul-soo/100003339282181 Choi Chul-soo

            I was commenting on the chap telling us how Bak Jeong-hee was elected in ’63. These nested comments make it unclear what is being responded to.

    • chucky3176

      Speaking in terms of the old three kingdom period of Korea up to 500AD,

      Jeolla province has the old border from the Baekche dynasty, and Gyungsang province shares the same borders of ancient Shilla dynasty. Koguryeo is present day North Korea. The Tang dynasty is the current China.

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  • Digitalsoju

    These comments seem a little one sided, most of them seemed to side with Park Geun Hye, but it’s the total opposite with the younger people. Where are those comments?

    • Thanh Phú

      I guess the netizens who say otherwise will be called losers or supporters of a lost cause so they don’t bother

    • dk2020

      if you haven’t noticed most netizens are conservative middle aged korean men .. ajjeoshis, thats why its funny when expats spazz out on some of the shit they say. hardly ever any comments from korean women or younger generation or foreign migrant wives for that matter..

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  • bultak23

    The good thing is that she is the first woman elected as president, that is the one good thing I can think of.

    • http://www.facebook.com/noah.altman Noah Altman

      Having a female president, or a black president for that matter, is neither good nor bad. Tokenism and symbolism in politics are only skin deep, but at the end of the day, policy matters, and for policies to be informed by a person’s race or gender is as serious a problem as the electorate voting on race or gender in the first place.

  • dk2020

    Good article in the LA Times about politics in Northeast Asia ..

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-asia-nationalism-20121223,0,4572712.story

  • chucky3176

    Here’s the new prez, giving English speech, in her early twenties.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=t6veDupMCYA

    She looks a bit nervous, but all in all, her pronunciations were pretty good. But a lot of online comments on the internet are giving her a bad time.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Choi-Chul-soo/100003339282181 Choi Chul-soo

      “Her pronunciation was pretty good” would be grammatically correct.

  • DZ
  • http://twitter.com/handsaredirty 꺼져

    Better than Obuma.

  • dk2020

    S. Korea’s First Female Leader – Redefining Gender Roles? Good article about changing gender roles in SoKo which none of you really bring up which is strange to me .. and some of yall are just very pessimistic haters ..
    http://newamericamedia.org/2012/12/s-koreas-first-female-leader—redefining-gender-roles.php

    • Ralph

      When Thatcher became PM in the UK, the same questions were asked, ‘will a female PM mean strides forward for women in the UK?’. Short answer was an emphatic no. Thatcher had no agenda for improving the lot of women, she had an agenda for increasing power for herself and her party, and moving the country onto a right wing path. People often have the mistaken belief that just because a politician happens to be a woman, she will automatically have vested interests in womens issues. This may be true of politicians is lesser roles, but those who have the ambition and the ruthlessness to reach the pinnacle of power to become PM or President are politicians first and foremost. Their gender is irrelevant. And I think that this will hold true under Park’s Presidency. She has not shown any interest or desire for womens issues in the past, and I would be stunned if she did in the future. She’s a politician who has reached the pinnacle of power, and you can be sure she means to exercise that power. I believe that anyone who thinks this will be a sea change for the status of women in Korea will be sorely disappointed.

      • dk2020

        Different time, different place, different person, different culture .. we’ll see though .. at the very least I hope this encourages more women to get involved in politics which I think it will, equality is never handed, it must be fought for .. as a foreign man isn’t it hard to really experience political changes for womens rights because it doesn’t effect you and you’re not really involved anyways..

        • Ralph

          ‘Different time, different place, different person, different culture’ – all irrelevant. The point I was making was that politicians the world over are the same, this becomes more evident the higher up the food chain the politician is. Those at the top are indistinguishable from foreign politicians in similar positions. And this is why I think that anyone hoping Park’s ascension to power will be a sea change in gender politics will be sorely disappointed. She has never shown a desire for improving the plight of women in the past, and now that she is at the top, it is highly unlikely she will in the future.

          The fact I am a foreigner is also irrelevant. Yes, gender politics doesn’t affect me personally, but men the world over have wives, girlfriends, sisters, mothers, daughters, friends whom it does affect. And he is not much of a man if he is uninterested in the welfare of the women in his life. As for Korean gender politics, it may not affect me as I am not a woman living in Korea, but people I know are. A very close friend of mine, a highly intelligent and well educated woman, is most definitely affected by patriarchy and discrimination in Korea. We have had many a conversation where she has told me the obstacles she encounters merely because of her gender, so I most certainly do have a vested interest in seeing the plight of women improve in Korea (and the world over), even if I am a foreigner.

          • dk2020

            Well then we’ll just see, I’m optimistic .. you being pessimistic and doing nothing to make changes won’t solve anything will it?

  • dim mak

    Non-liberals sweep East Asia, fuck yeah
    In your face, western liberal democracy!

    Anyway, what’s a jwajom?

    • Sillian

      ‘Left-wing zombie’. Click the blue link in the article.

  • lonetrey / Dan

    I won’t pretend to know anything about politics. Heck, I know even less about America’s politics.

    But it seems like there’s going to be quite the divide in the near future, if the margin of votes was that narrow.

  • candlee

    a few days ago, the Korean ferry capsized. I never really liked our president as I wanted Moon to win, and after seeing how much effort the gov put into finding the passengers, I was incredibly disappointed. had the gov sent divers and more rescue boats, we could have saved a lot of people. 2 hours is enough time to save plenty of people.
    Notice how the younger generation looks past the censored media and really understands who our candidates were. the older people who do not understand that the media is controlled by the gov vote for Park thinking she will be the better choice. when the ferry sank, the media reported that Park was doing her best to try and rescue people when really all she did was visit the site and give a useless press conference.
    the media is feeding people the wrong information. this needs to be changed.

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