Korean Media Criticizes Japanese Stance on Senkaku Islands

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From Chosun Ilbo:

China reacts with force, not diplomacy – unlike South Korea

Media analysis in Japan suggests that Prime Minister Noda Yoshihiko‘s historical outlook and miscalculation drove the Sino-Japan relationship to all-time low in a diplomatic standoff. In recent times, Noda has caused much friction with neighboring countries with a number of incendiary comments [‘there is no war criminal in Yasukuni Shrine’] and his nationalist sentiment ruffled many feathers. His attempt to outgun runaway right-wing elements in Japan before the party leadership election forced him to nationalize the Senkakus-Diaoyu conflict, which sparked a violent reaction in China and endangered the effective control over the Senkakus.

Insensitive towards historical issues

Japanese broadcaster NHK reported that Noda may have deliberately chosen anti-Japanese anniversaries to provoke China. The announcement of the plan was made on the 7th of July, the Marco Polo Bridge Incident day. Noda’s decision to officially nationalize the Senkaku islands was on the 10th September, Manchurian Incident day.

Blatant ignorance of Hu’s warning signals

The Chinese president Hu-Jintao warned Noda on the 9th this month at the APEC meeting that ‘the Chinese government will responsd firmly and without hesitation to assert territorial sovereignty.’ However, the next day, Noda officially announced the plan on nationalization. Tokyo Welfare University Professor Endo Homare commented ‘deliberate disregard by Noda is the reason (for the Chinese reaction) behind the Chinese hard-line response.’

Obsession with the Chinese internal collapse hypothesis

The Japanese Ministry of Defense White Paper has maintained that ‘Chinese internal pressure from social and ethnic inequality may lead to implosion.’ As a result, any anti-Japanese protest is assumed to be ‘anti-governmental’ in nature and would be automatically suppressed by the Chinese authorities.

China reacting in the same manner as South Korea

The hard-line posture against South Korea after the Dokdo-Takeshima row earned political points for Noda. With China however, his strategy floundered. One analyst commented that ‘Noda was mistaken in thinking that a row with a non-democratic country like China would resolve in a similar manner to South Korea.’ China took a decidedly different approach as this week’s events showed. The military did not hesitate to call for more aggressive action while the protesters quickly turned into a  violent mob. When China pushed back, Noda and the rest fell completely silent without so much as a single statement in protest.

Over-reliance on the United States

Noda expected the United States to weigh in on the basis of the bilateral security treaty. The Japanese government sought to confirm that the Senkakus fell under the purview of the US-Japan bilateral defense treaty. But the United States confirmed that it ‘does not take a position on the sovereignty of the islands, known as Diaoyu in Chinese and Senkaku in Japanese.‘ This reiterated the American position as earlier voiced by Leon Panetta that the ‘Japan-U.S. alliance shouldn’t be viewed by China as American support for the Japanese point of view on the island standoff.’

 

Comment from Daum:

skan:

In other words, Korea’s done a shit job.

Fear-Hope-Act:

Feels so goooood~

우주:

The only way to deal with Japan is by forcing them to kneel and treat them with a stick. Treat them like humans and they think they are gods. We should never repeat the same mistakes our ancestors made.

만파식적:

That really captures the attitude of the japs. To a powerful country, they will bow down~ To a smaller country, threat and blackmail~ What we need is a response similar to China’s. When push comes to shove, fire first. If we don’t have the military hardware, borrow a nuke from North Korea. We can cooperate economically with North Korea and they will loan us nuclear weapons… Once unified, the japs will be a piece cake….

명수:

In South Korea where the pro-Japanese reign supreme, it’s easy. But where the pro-Japanese get beat-down, it’ll be difficult for Japan. That is indeed a great nation.

tkghfis:

The fact that they look down on us angers me. What should we do? Servile to a powerful one and powerful against a weak one… Japan, you will get punished for this… They will never let go of that attitude… true heights of two-facedness…

머찐아빠:

Noda, ke ke, trying to win some easy points? Trying to push around China? Thought it would be as easy as pushing around Korea? And you think Korea is easy?

아름다운밤하늘:

If our government dealt with the Dokdo issue like that, it would be over by now. Serious reflection by the government is needed….

무한호감:

This is so shameful, all this because we have no power. Park Geun-hye… whatever you do, if you promise to develop a nuclear weapon, I will vote for you.

휴니:

This was a big mistake by America, reviving Japan as a beachhead to Asia. So now Japan thinks they are all that. What they need is some severe beating.

리 바운드:

So the conclusion we draw from this is… MB taught them a wrong lesson ke ke.

힘내자:

The title of the article make us ashamed. ‘Mistaken to think it would be like South Korea…’ I am jealous of the Chinese collective effort and their national consciousness.

엠제이시:

So we’re the gangbang bitch?

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  • Ruaraidh

    It seems to me like Korean behaviour over Dokdo, when compared to the Senkaku islands dispute is more similar to the actions of the Japanese than the Chinese. Both states maintain de facto control and have recently tried to strengthen sovereignty through various actions recently.

    Actually when you compare the actions of the governments and populations of the three countries over the two disputes, the Japanese seem to be the most calm and well behaved.

    • 미대협

      Look at the art of trolling… trolls tend to be the most well behaved in the situations.

      • Ruaraidh

        You’re trolling yourself, if you impartially compared the two disputes you’d actually agree with me.

        • Daniel

          I agree with Ruaraidh…he’s not trolling just telling the truth…when faced with South Korea’s rants over dokdo the Japanese merely went to court (the civilized thing)…but how did China act?

          • Brett Sanbon

            I think 미대협’s “trolls” was directed at Ruaraidh’s comment that the Japanese were well behaved. Therefore, he meant that the Japanese are trolls irl, not Ruaraidh. At least… I hope so. Ruaraidh clearly wasn’t trolling.

    • Cleo

      Corea tricked Japan into the Diaoyutai Boycott. They got the ball rollling.

      Thank you, Corea!

      (I, of course, given my temper, would have preferred a total bombing of Japan but oh, well.)

      Ye got PLAYED, troggs!

      Ye got played!! Hahahaha!

    • Jennster

      in 2010 when the chinese fishingboat thing ignored their coast guard and rammed it the japanese govt and their people were absolutely mad, and shouting like monkeys in protests, because hey didn’t think china dare with the action. remember when they start to scream they know they have lost.

      when xi jin ping comes into power, w8 for their screams. :D

      • Matt

        Considering how much Chinese people have been screaming their heads off about this whole Senkaku incident, I guess that means they’ve lost. :D

      • Ruaraidh

        Look how much the Koreans have been overreacting over Dokdo, the Japanese didn’t even ram any Korean vessels to provoke that response.

        • Cleo

          no, they just blasted Korean fisherman with water cannons causing internal injuries and actually striking them when they had the Koreans in custody – so gentle, refined are the Japanese – so superior in every way to Asia Ex Japan!

          Look, it’s always been Korean strategy to shadow Japan’s moves – they have to because of the strategy chosen by the Japanese for eradicating Korean identity BUT by doing this openly, the Japanese have had nothing to steal from the Koreans while the Koreans have managed to maintain their identity and now even foreigners can discern Koreans from Japanese. That is the opposite of what Japan wanted.

          It’s very Taekwando to not take your eyes off the enemy and shadow their every move, right? (I got that from Kylie Kwan’s interview on Ellen Degeneres. I don’t know anything else about Taekwando.)

      • Nyancat

        That’s provided China doesn’t destroy itself first, or haven’t you been reading the news? =.=”

    • vetomon

      “the Japanese seem to be the most calm and well behaved.”

      That’s only because the Japanese don’t give a shit about any war with Koreas or China, their BIG brother, the USA will nuke any country like they did with Japan.

      The USA put Japan in their place and now the Japanese are behaving like they should with heads down and walking five feet behind the whiteys. he he he ke ke ke ke ke ke ke ke ke ke ke ke, man it hurts so bad he he he he he he he

      • Brett Sanbon

        Pretty naive statements coming from you.

        • Kiri

          It’s the truth.

          You AmeriKKKan’s would be ENRAGED if Germany refused to hand back land taken during the Nazi era, but Imperial Japan you defend to the core.

          • Brett Sanbon

            “I” don’t defend anyone to the core.

            What is an “AmeriKKKan”?

          • Matt

            @ Kiri:

            It amazes me that you think 314 million people are capable of maintaining a single, unified collective consciousness.

            Trust me, if we were able to think that identically, we wouldn’t be bothering with elections, let alone presidential debates.

            P.S. – You realize that Chinese Americans and Korean Americans exist, right? Because it doesn’t seem that you do.

  • Eddie

    This story is proof positive that lawyers, politicians, and leaders can argue and bicker all they want about “inherent rights” and “national sovereignty” but when it comes down to it, the threat of violence is the only thing that will win the day.

  • Cleo

    If you want to feel better, you could always put hello Kitty out of business in Corea.

  • Jennster

    apparently in the period xi jin ping went ‘missing’ he was ringing the russia prime minster and preparing battle strategies, and unlike hujingtao he has a military background and family. can’t w8 till he gets in power. this should be the time SCO comes into play.

    also japan has a history of using sensitive dates to start something with korea/china, which proves the diaoyu island nationalisation date equalises in their view the marco polo bridge incident aka invasion of china.

    if i were american, i would be weary of them. we asians throughout history lived alongside that country and knew about japanese inferiority complex in character and resultant actions more than the westeners, leading them to acquire sneaky/backstabbing tactics to achieve their goals because no one really cared about them.

    remember pearl harbour.

  • vincent

    The 2 issues for me are quite distinct: in the case of the Senkaku islands it is kinda clear that those belong to Japan; while for the Liancourt Rocks it is the bit more difficlut to tell for me.
    It just seems for me that the media blindly apply the rule :”we have the same ennemy, so i support you”

    • Jennster

      Historians have found japanese text in the 1800s stating the islands were chinese territory (and ming dynaties).

      regarding dokdo, it is right in the middle of japan and korea. whereas for diaoyu island it’s in the middle of taiwan and japan.

  • Jennster

    That’s what Chinese people have been saying about ourselves all along regardng this issue. :D

    • Jennster

      in reply to matt above :D

  • Brett Sanbon

    Korean’s fervently arguing that Dokdo is theirs. Chinese beating their own countrymen for driving Japanese cars, burning factories, and looting stores. Neither of the countries’ citizens know much about the issue other than “we hate Japan because…because….because they were bad people over 70 years ago!”.

    I don’t know what life is like in Japan and I don’t know what the ordinary people think about what has been going on recently, but I know that I have seen more articles in western media outlets about what the Koreans and Chinese are up to than what the Japanese are.

    It’s hard for me to try and stick up for Koreans or Chinese people’s feelings when many are acting like this in public and in the media.

    • Nyancat

      @Brett you should read this article it should restore some of your faith in China http://www.ministryoftofu.com/2012/09/on-weibo-japanophobic-mobsters-are-far-from-the-majority/ I think that view point comes from those people who are capable of thinking logically and without prejudice.
      @Jennster what would anyone want with those friggin rocks anyway that’s worth dying for? You planning to go live there or something? Whats your stake in all this? Might shed some light as to why it seems that some of China has gone insane.

      • smackdownidiots

        You both are fools. Western english media is absolutely anti-China. I didn’t know it was anti-Korea as well, vis a vis Japan, bit I certainly would believe it. To say you hear much more pro-Japan news is like saying Fox news is fair source on american politics and society. The US media, left and right, are united in demonizing china. The fact that you say “I have seen more articles in western media outlets about what the Koreans and Chinese are up” shows how blind you are. NYTimes, WSJ, businessweek, etc., all no difference. They just follow the same tired narrative and talking points in demonizing china. Fools, wake up.

        • Matt

          “The fact that you say “I have seen more articles in western media outlets about what the Koreans and Chinese are up” shows how blind you are.”

          It clearly went WAY over your head, but his point in phrasing it that way was merely to acknowledge the possibility that his perspective may be skewed due to the potential bias of his input (i.e., Western media).

          This level of rhetorical integrity (stating a genuine opinion while acknowledging that it may be incorrect) is utterly anomalous and inconceivable to the mindless ideological blowhard warriors of the Internet.

        • Jennster

          yeah but then you have those americans who saw how awesome the good parts of China are and then they start sucking up to it. it’s like extremes with americans. Not sure about other westeners.

        • Jennster

          with their 9% unemployment and low economic growth, it is wise for usa to have a scapegoat so citizens don’t revolt in their own country. Also, i want obama to continue to rule, good @ politics, bad @ economics. good for the Chinese in coming years.

        • Matt

          Hell, I spent so much time pointing out your complete misinterpretation of Brett Sanbon’s comment, that I completely forgot to state the obvious: He’s right. There *is* no violence like this occurring in Japan:

          [open quote]
          A Chinese student studying in Japan wrote that in contrast to the pandemonium in China, people in Japan are dispassionate and behaved reasonably. He also posted an illustrated work depicting a dialogue between him and one Japanese friend of his:

          @黎黎要娶呆天使: Since there already have been many kind friends who have reminded me to watch out for my safety in Japan, I would like to thank everyone again here. Besides, please have no worry. Japan is truly a safe and orderly country. No one has taken this opportunity to smash and rob Chinese-owned stores. No one bullied me. Everything is fine. In fact, when there were brawls in China, everything is normal in Japan. And Japanese ordinary people really don’t care about this. Below is a conversation between me and my Japanese friend.

          http://cdn7.ministryoftofu.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/japan41-3.jpg
          [close quote]

          But go ahead, keep harping about how showing violent mob riots in China but not (nonexistent) violent mob riots in Japan is “proof” that Western media is biased. Surely, to be fair, Western media should use CGI to make fake scenes of violent mob riots in Japan!

      • Jennster

        loook @ the Chinese eez. the body of water the locals can fish is already cut inwards at fujian province. if that diaoyu island (which lies closest to taiwan and second cloest to fujian) is used by Japan, then CHina’s eez is unfairly small giving it’s coastline. What’s next, Beijing and Shanghai is Japan’s. We won’t allow that. O_O

  • Chucky3176

    What Noda said (“there are no war criminals at Yasukuni”), and that Osaka mayor said (“all the comfort women were whores”) is enough for me to end diplomatic relations with this country. Just cut ties and stop importing and buying their cars.
    Also end the currency swap that’s due to be renewed for October 1, before Japan says they will end it. I’ve had enough of their useless banterings that the currency swap and other kinds of economic pressure on South Korea by Japan, will make South Korea collapse (Japan’s laughable theory). Also, there have been 10 anti Korean racist protests in Japan, from Tokyo to Osaka to Sapporo, involving thousands of Japanese, over the last two weeks, but the Japanese media pretty much put the screws on this story and not reporting them. The western media too have largely ignored the rising hate movement in Japan. The Korean embassy has put a travel warning on Korean tourists to Japan, to be careful and to stay away from protests. They got a flood of death threats and threats of harm against Korean tourists.

  • Paul M

    It’s quite sad to see the netizens going on about how they respect China’s use of force rather than S. Korea’s more diplomatic approach. Sure, use of force and threats of violence get quick fix results but end up harming your reputation and will lead to further problems in the future. I would have thought S. Korea’s relatively measured response more worthy of respect.

    • Passerby

      There’s one thing these foreign peeping Toms seem to keep forgetting. The netizens are venting out their frustrations. They are not there to have some rational and constructive discussion where they are supposed to deliberately convince others in the first place. It’s like you read toilet scribbles and having a discussion about them. It’s actually comical.

      • Paul M

        Isn’t this what this whole website is about? We have trending news stories in Korea together with netizen’s comments and we discuss them.

        • Passerby

          Look at your own comment. You drew a lot from those netizen comments. It’s no different from drawing conclusions from reading YouTube comments where a ton of random people leave ridiculous comments. Since it’s usually in English and you can read it, you guys get its right weight. When it’s some translated netizen comments, however, you guys put so much weight on each of them. The reality is that very few % of the netizens bother leaving comments and those who do are highly likely to be the ones who have the strong urge to vent out frustrations or enjoy trolling. Take a look at the Hollister incident article. Did you guys actually expect some level-headed discussion about racism in the toilet? Some of these peeping Toms have no qualms about putting the real-life incident and toilet scribble-like netizen comments on the same scale. That’s what I find comical. I know getting the right perspective and context is not an easy task.

  • Tippy Long Stocking

    Hmmm… Koreans call it a Senkaku islands? What does that tell you?

    I think referring to America, Japan is just trying to legitimize their “ownership”. I say it belongs to China. Japan deserved to lose everything for their atrocities, every thing except their sovereign land which is JAPAN, not the islands.

    • Chucky3176

      No, Koreans don’t call it the Senkankou’s. Neither do Koreans call it the Daiyou’s.

    • C84

      I think the Diaoyu Islands belong to China as well. Japan has grown too big of an ego and thinks it’s invincible because of its military alliance with the U.S. That’s why they have pretty nasty territorial disputes with 3 nations – China, Russia, SK, and then there’s Taiwan. They’re hiding behind the U.S., taking potshots at neighboring countries, and then taking it for granted that the U.S. will always defend them no matter what, despite the U.S. officially taking “no stance” on these issues. As I’ve posted on Chinasmack, you can’t depend on Daddy America for eternity. It looks like America is imploding from within because of all the hatred within its borders. What will little Japan do when the alliance is no more, and little Japan is surrounded by all these countries that *hate* its guts and want to nuke it?

      • Chucky3176

        This is one fight Korea should stay out of. They’re both despicable (China and Japan). As bad as Japan has been lately, China is also trying hard. Just today they have claimed that a Korean held island is part of China and is now part of their naval patrol. Not to mention China’s North East Asia History project, and their fishing boats constantly illegally fishing in Korean waters and their fishermen killing unarmed Korean coast guards with picks and shovels. As far as I’m concerned, both China and Japan can kill each other off and leave South Korea alone.

        • Brett Sanbon

          Who is the “they” that “claims” the Korean island? Chinese government? Chinese netizens?

          How about every time you make your own claims that you pass off as fact, you post reputable irrefutable evidence to support yourself? While most of us write our opinions, you pronounce everything as cold, hard, truth. Always black and white with you.

          If you post your sources then others might find what you write more believable.

          • Chucky3176

            It wasn’t not so long ago when you complained I was posting nothing but links. Now you complain the other way. One just can’t win. Have you heard of the Iodo that both Korea and China are claiming? Look it up yourself, but China is basing their EEZ claims based on their belief that it’s their territory, and have included into their arial and naval patrol. On those rocks, Korean flag was planted and researchers living on it have been there for decades.

          • Ruaraidh

            Oh my god, this gets better and better, it’s not even above the water.

          • Brett Sanbon

            Link me to the post where I told you not to post links that verify your comments. If I ever said you shouldn’t post so many links (I don’t think I ever have) it was probably because most of the garbage you link to is obscure and you try to use a single 6-year-old news article to prove white people *always* act inappropriately towards Korea and Koreans.

          • Brett Sanbon

            Ok I found an article in the Korean Herald about China and leodo. It appears that the EEZ overlaps, though Korea has been there a while. This isn’t “just today”, Chucky. This has been an ongoing conflict, just not as much tension because Japan isn’t involved.

            http://view.koreaherald.com/kh/view.php?ud=20120925000867&cpv=0

          • chucky3176

            This was reported yesterday, Brett.

            http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2012/09/25/2012092501081.html

            Why would China use air drones to further stake their claims, ight at this time when they’re busy enough with Japan, Brett? Any ideals?

        • Koramer

          Hey dude, whats with the Hirobumi profile picture, you a nip?

          • Brett Sanbon

            No, he’s Korean… But you sound like a pig.

    • Alice S

      Yeah even a European woman in New Zealand uses ‘islands’ and everyone can see that she did it on purpose.

  • Cleo
  • Mr. U

    It is evident that the Japanese government is looking to begin another world war. First they hassle South Korea, and now China, whose next Vietnam or Russia perhaps? Obviously 2 atomic bombs and millions of lives lost were not enough to quench the Japanese need for more territories and living space. Unlike Germany, Japan never paid for their crimes against humanity, very few were ever put on trial for their war crimes. They have held their heads high, even in light of the travesties they committed from 1896-1945. The holocaust is illegal to deny in Germany (and in most of Europe), how is it then that Japan can deny their crimes committed against the people of Asia and the Pacific Islands. Raping and pillaging countless countries and tens of millions of innocent civilians in their conquest for world domination. If they seek another war, then let us bring it to them without mercy. May their men be tortured and murdered, may their women be raped and enslaved, and may their country be left in nothing but ashes and ruins.

  • Koramer

    It is evident that the Japanese government is looking to begin another world war. First they hassle South Korea, and now China, whose next Vietnam or Russia perhaps? Obviously 2 atomic bombs and millions of lives lost were not enough to quench the Japanese need for more territories and living space. Unlike Germany, Japan never paid for their crimes against humanity, very few were ever put on trial for their war crimes. They have held their heads high, even in light of the travesties they committed from 1896-1945. The holocaust is illegal to deny in Germany (and in most of Europe), how is it then that Japan can deny their crimes committed against the people of Asia and the Pacific Islands. Raping and pillaging countless countries and tens of millions of innocent civilians in their conquest for world domination. If they seek another war, then let us bring it to them without mercy. May their men be tortured and murdered, may their women be raped and enslaved, and may their country be left in nothing but ashes and ruins.

    • Matt

      “It is evident that the Japanese government is looking to begin another world war.”

      War is violent.
      Who’s perpetrating violence—the Chinese or the Japanese?
      Who’s making bold threats of military action—the Chinese or the Japanese?

      “First they hassle South Korea, and now China, whose next Vietnam or Russia perhaps?”

      OK, so Japan has South Korea (Dokdo) and China (Diaoyu).

      China, meanwhile, has India (Aksai Chin and Arunachal Pradesh), Indonesia (waters northeast of the Natuna Islands), the Philippines (Scarborough Shoal and the Spratly Islands), Vietnam (the Paracel Islands, the Spratly Islands, waters west of the Spratly Islands, and areas in the Gulf of Thailand), Brunei (the Spratly Islands), Malaysia (the Strait of Johore, the Strait of Singapore, the Spratly Islands, and areas in the Gulf of Thailand), Cambodia (areas in the Gulf of Thailand), Thailand (areas in the Gulf of Thailand), and Singapore (over the Strait of Johore and the Strait of Singapore), not to mention Taiwan, Tibet, and East Turkestan.

      Gee! Poor little timid China, being bullied by imperialist India, imperialist Indonesia, imperialist Philippines, imperialist Vietnam, imperialist Brunei, imperialist Malaysia, imperialist Cambodia, imperialist Thailand, imperialist Singapore, imperialist Tibet, and imperialist East Turkistan!

      “Obviously 2 atomic bombs and millions of lives lost were not enough to quench the Japanese need for more territories and living space.”

      Agreed! Why should massive Japan, one of the most densely populated countries in the world (at 338 people per sq km), deserve more living space than poor cramped China, which ranks a whopping 81st place worldwide in population density (141 people per sq km)! Poor little China needs more land! It’s too cramped! Not enough land in Tibet and Xinjiang!

      “May their men be tortured and murdered, may their women be raped and enslaved, and may their country be left in nothing but ashes and ruins.”

      Agreed 100%! Civilian men and women deserve to be tortured, murdered, raped, and enslaved as punishment for what their politicians do! This will serve them right for their ancestors having mercilessly tortured, murdered, raped, and enslaved innocent civilians!

  • John Tam

    Japan has screwed itself and shot itself on the foot and I really have no sympathy for them. All this could have been avoided, and Japan still could have held onto the island if they didn’t make so much noise, angering China by nationalizing the island on the anniversary day when they back stabbed China during the 1930’s war in China. All this smacks as a deliberate attempt by Japan to laugh in the face of China, instead of showing remorse and sensitivity for what they did. This is just a very bad provocation by Japan, and the Chinese have every right to be angered (although I don’t agree with their mob street violence which makes them look uncivilized). Japan should have left this alone, and there wouldn’t be this problem. Japan already had its own problems with Korea, because Japan was angered by Korean president’s visit to Takeshima which is held by Korea. Japan accused Korea of insensitivity.. but my god… talk about hypocrisy by Japan – they not only did the same, but did far worse, against China that they accuse Korea of doing. Does Japan think they own Asia now? We’re all supposed to bow down to Japan and do as Japan says. the only thing thats backin japan is the usa

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